1 You're missing an /i tag.

And Sarah Palin is a Secessionist!!!1!!!!1!!1one!!1

2 You mean "write," not "right" in your title.

3 That is what they do with gun related info all the time. 90% of the numbers that are commonly quoted in information from anti-gun groups are either completely false, or twisted so far from their original context that they would be more correct if they faked the number.

They do not care about the truth, they care about their agenda.

4 Speaking of DU, a potential troll there made a post comparing two Sullivan quotes from 2001 and 2008 about privacy. It's . . . breath-taking. I made a post about it, but you can find probably find it on DU without too much trouble.

5 Also on DU, scary important Democrats delve into the mystery further, and by delve, I mean cyber-stalk the baby's father and tear him apart with "witty" commentary.

Don't know how to imbed a link, but it's:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x6874334#6874480

Grown adults. Bashing the fuck out of a teenager.

Obama's right. This is a different kind of politics.

6 You know what's not a lie, though?  The fact that Eric Cantor is a JEW.

7 I heard that he's a sixth-grader with cerebral palsy...

and a hook for a hand.

The kids call him "Captain Dummy Hook."
Sad situation, it is.

8 Hey Ace, don't be so quick to dismiss this one...why couldn't that guy be an 8th grader?  He could just, you know, have a glandular problem or something.  I dunno, let's make it work.

Which threads did our trolls drop this in?

9 Is it a similar thing when every journalist in the world reports that Iraq is in civil war or that Sadr is King of Iraq or that Maliki is bogged down in Basra?  I suspect it is.  I think a great number of people in the media are happy to report the rumor rather than the truth because they like the rumor better than what is actually happening.  Thus Howard Kurtz continues to refer to Andrew Sullivan as a right leaning blogger and every journalist in the world claims Palin is anti-contraception which is not quite the case.  The great sin we all make is pretending that the media and those in it are any thing more than a rumor mill trying to influence the rest of us by massaging the facts.  The great sin those in the media who have ethics make is pretending that their colleagues who they have watched fib, distort and shade for years are telling the unadulterated truth.

10 Someone on the cable news said it earlier and I think I agree.
You are about to see Obama's sister soljah moment when he cuts the netroots loose. 'These aren't the bat shit crazy vicious radicals I thought I knew..." blah, blah, blah. He can get away with it because they will no it's total bullshit anyway just like Wright. They know where the guy's heart is.

11

So, this Larwyn has made it official. It isn't about right or wrong. It is, and solely is, about power and any means being justified by the pursuit.

What stunningly loathsome people.

12 Well put, Ace.

13 no, Larwyn is my tipster, and a great one.  She's not responsible for that post, just sending it my way.

I'll clarify that.

14 I don't think he can cut the nutroots loose.  Who will he have left if he does?

15 I heard that Gov Palin allows her kids to smoke pot...

and have pre-marital sex with 14-year old retards.

Doesn't sound very Christian-like to me.

16 The reason they are all coming up with this at once is simple; Obama is feeding them.

And Rocks is right; Obama is trying to set up his Sister Souljah moment at the expense of the liberal blogs. He did the same thing in his 2004 Senate race, where he was pontificating about "leaving family out of it" while encouraging his nutball supporters to be emailing all sorts of details about Jack Ryan's love life.

The counter-meme is simple; make it clear and obvious that not only did Obama know about these slurs, but that his campaign was actively encouraging people to make them.

17 Hey, maybe that kid is just taking the heat for the fact that she's pregnant by her older brother who is a mind numbed robot in the McBushCheneyBurton Army.

Wait till I tell my friends what I just made up learned! Andrew Sullivan will post it by 10am eastern.

18 Ace, you're hitting on something profound here and calling a spade a spade like few people do.

You see what's happening. This is deliberate. There is evil afoot.

John at Power Line sees a different manifestation and he's also right.

19

My apologies to Larwyn.

Direct my remarks instead to the DU poster. Although I give him credit for honesty about the nature of his depravity.

20 You are about to see Obama's sister soljah moment when he cuts the netroots loose.

I don't think he's got the chops to do this. 

Clinton was a masterful politician, while Obama is a fine speechmaker and little more.  The nutroots are his base, so I think he views them as his meal ticket. 

Telling them to STFU is a little too nuanced for him

21 The normal state we exist in is to assume most information we read is true, or sorta true, or true-ish.

Back when Fahrenheit 911 came out, I saw a trailer which contained the allegation that Bush had allowed OBL's relatives to leave the country over the objections of the FBI and while the ban on commercial aviation was still in effect. I treated it as a "fact" and was concerned about it, wondering why they would have done such a thing. Of course the truth is that the ban on aviation had been lifted, the FBI had finished questioning them and that it was Richard Clarke who had ultimately green-lighted their departure.

The problem is that most Republicans, like most people, really are open-minded. We do not want to automatically believe only the best of our allies and only the worst of our opponents. We will consider new facts when we encounter them and be ready to criticize bad behavior of those generally support.

The reward for this is for us to have our good faith manipulated by the worst of the left who are willing to make up any lie and are willing to ignore any refutation no matter how iron-clad. I could drag up a Hitler quote, but why stoop to that level when that S.o.C. Durbin will suffice. I don't have the exact words, but Durbin once said that it didn't matter what his opponents were guilty of, it only mattered what he could get them indicted for. In other words, accusations need not be true they only must be damaging.

I don't know about the rest of you, but while I don't want to give up on aiming for intellectual integrity, I die a little inside every time I am forced to face up to how naive it is in this political climate.

22 Rocks has a point... If Obastard can turn this into a Sistah Souljah moment he can defuse some of this. But the Leftards won't sit easy with it, after betrayal on FISA, campaign financing, softness on Iraq, etc. Barry has a tightrope to walk here.

23

yeah, this is a totally new phenomenon. Just ask Dan Quayle, George Bush's supermarket scanner, the entire freaking hollywood blacklist era, and probably a hundred other things we don't know about because the lies are still holding up. Leftists (Communists) spread lies, it's what they do, they don't even need an Alinsky to tell them that. At least now thanks to blogs like this we can catch them and spread the word just a bit, imagine what it must have been like before Rush and the blogs.

24 It's as dishonest as Barry comparing his campaign experience to Palin's Mayoral experience while conveniently leaving out here Governorship.  They're liars and so is he. 

Barry was despicable on Cooper, tonight.  He is running scared.  Internals must be really, really shitty.

25

I worried that the kids in question will take so much heat that their mom will drop out. Which is what they are trying to acomplish here.

Man....they are scared to death of her.

 

Please Lord, give the Palin family the strength to weather this storm and smite our evil foes......

26 There isn't going to be a Sister Souljah moment because the MSM is in cahoots with Obama and the leftwing smear machine.

Unless the MSM puts pressure on Obama (which they won't) by making this ugly rumor-peddling a front-page story, Obama has to do nothing. Why? Because the only feathers getting ruffled here are Republican feathers, and no one gives a shit about Republicans.

 

27 Over on some other sites (NY Times and WaPo, I think) I've seen comments claiming that the father is 23 and started dating her when she was 13...I guess they're making up too much shit at once to keep it straight.

I think a partial explanation for the nastiness of the lefty response to Palin is that they have to justify their own hate to themselves.  If McCain had picked any of the obvious choices, the Left's attacks would have been long-planned.  Every rabid lefty attack chipmunk would have an entire manifesto ready explaining why the pick was a horrible person whom it would be noble and virtueous to slander.  The Palin pick blindsided them, and they found themselves hating and plotting to destroy someone whom they had no reason to hate.  Thus the frantic delving into the muck of the fever swamps.

In short, having already decided to act viciously to whoever was picked, they now have to convince themselves that the target (who turned out to be someone they didn't expect) deserves it.

28 oh WTF?

Where did she come from?

29 Obama won't sully his hands with a Sister Souljah moment, because they are his base. Clinton pissed off a small faction of the coalition that supported him, and in so doing, gained even more voters from the undecided column. THAT'S a SSM.

Further, as has been noted, this is just the way Barrack does business. Have proxies do the dirty work. He makes on pro-forma statement that this shouldn't be discussed and then any and all smears that come are not connected to him. Even if they come from his people.

And one can see why Bristol let her panties melt. The guy doesn't look like an emo or metrosexual. That probably pisses the left off more than anything else.

30 Oh, God I hope McCain pulls this off in November; how wonderful it would be for these cocksuckers to have to choke on every disgusting thing they've been doing.  I want to suck the marrow from the bones of their hysterical disappointment and rage.

Does that make any sense.  Bottom line: they all suck, and I want to watch them go berserk when they lose again.

31 The betrayal and outrage of the nutroots is the whole point. It allows the campaign and the MSM to say "See, even we won't have anything to do with these people, we are reasonable." The leaders of the nutroots will let it flow but they know there is only 60 or so days left in this election and none of these people are going to vote for McCain. They wouldn't stay home either as they will come out for the local radicals and pull Obama's lever anyway. Come November 5th they will all be one happy family again and jobs all around!
Obama could do it to,  he threw his own grandmother under the bus for God's sake.

32 You must be young, Ace. Okay so Kos and DU are not representative of ALL Democrats but they sure are the Marxist-Leninist storm-troopers and I knew plenty of these dedicated communists in the 25 years that I lived in San Francisco. We're still fighting the Cold War right here in our backyard. They really do believe Lenin's maxim that the end justifies the means.

33 Someone should tell AP @ HotAir to switch to decaf.

34 I really do think you have hit on something transformative, Ace.  While the tactic of the mass lie isn't wholly new (see a Michael Moore film and the nutjobs that parrot the points), it has really accelerated and multiplied irrationally in relation to this Palin story, both the governor and her daughter.  I think it's because these suckers of cock are so so desperate to have Obama win, they need to rip down (even if through pure creation) any potential threat with a blitzkreig of doubt.  This is pretty scary shit, if only because Obama hasn't won yet.  I can only imagine what rapid lunacy these freaks will employ on the marketplace of ideas in order to preserve Obama's hold on power.

35 Seriously, a Sister Souljah moment?

Did any of you see some of the protests staged outside of the convention? The bile they were spewing was the nastiest anti-American memes of the Left. That's the Democrat base; there's no way Obama is going to say anything to these people.

36

Rocks, that person suggesting a sistah souljah moment was the adorable horse toothed MKH, supported by Juan Williams.

NDT, it's actually more than that, as far as the ryan divorce records.  They recruited a "respectful" paper, to file suit for the release of the records, and a complicite judge, while agreeing with the ryans that it would in fact do harm to the child (the thing that the sealing was supposed to prevent in the first place) the judge did it anyways.

Both ryans opposed it, the judge, supposedly the advocate of the child and the public, said fuck the chiled, and fuck you two, releasing the info based on an opinion that the individual he was most supposed to represent (the child) would in fact be harmed by the release.

It was a disgrace, and Obama did the same thing, with the "I don't think this should be a part." but he really didn't oppose it.

37 "You are about to see Obama's sister soljah moment when he cuts the netroots loose."

Uh, no.  He couldn't even throw Wright under the bus in more than a half-assed way.  Barry's not decisive enough to really cut anyone off, and will keep half-n-halfing it to his doom.

38 #29... Interesting point. What would a SSM moment really provide to Barry? He can just deny any involvement and place Himself above it, in order to avoid culpability.

39

Wow, I'm going to do something odd here, and actually defend Obama.

Kinda.

I don't think Obama is pushing these rumors or is playing the plausable deniability game here. If for no other reason than fear of backlash. But I think the guy is naive and maybe foolish on how the world works... but not evil.

His comments, I believe off the cuff about leaving family alone, seemed genuinely sincere to me.

Buy these DU and Kos worms on the other hand, they know they're intentionally spreading lies about 17-year old innocents, and doing it with glee, because they think it helps the "Progressive cause." Progressive my left testicle. And Sullivan, he's even worse because he should, well, know better. Even though he doesn't.

(And William Jennings Bryan would be spinning in his grave if he knew these were the folks who took up the Progressive mantle.)

But back to Obama. I don't think he's into this. He's a nube. He's Bambi. He is, if you were to simply talk to him about everyday stuff non political, a pretty decent guy. But he tapped into the anger of the Netroots for support, and he is now realizing what sorts of people these folks truly are.

That is why Obama is scary. He lives in Oprah world.

And his supporters will do anything, anything, to get him elected. Including Goebbels-esque coordinated lying. (Yes I know, Godwin and all.) 

 

40 btw, has Biden spoken up about these hateful rumors?

Shame on him if he hasn't.

^{btw, remember when the Democrats invented the term "mean-spirited" for the Republicans? Irony, much?}

41 "But I think the guy is naive and maybe foolish on how the world works... but not evil."

Dude, you don't come up through the Chicago machine by being a naif.

42

>You are about to see Obama's sister soljah moment when he cuts the netroots loose.

 

Never happen. Pigs fly first. Then cats and dogs cohabitate. Then the Cubs win the Series. Next, flying cars, and bacon that lowers your cholesterol. THEN Obama cuts the nutroots loose.

43

obama does coccain in front of his daughters.  Obama has a love child to Scarlett.  We haven't seen Scarlett in any movies lately she must have taken a break to have the child.   scarlett should document her travels day by dat to confirm this rumor is false.  

 

We need to find Obama's drug dealer to confirm the story if he did the drugs in front of his children...

 

Hmmm we can all do that I guess.

44 So this guy is fair game to be swarmed and slimed too?  I don't like it.

45 Not evil?

Right. His acquaintance to the philanthropist and community activist, Bill Ayers, is just wonderful.

And by philanthropist I mean traitor, and by community activist I mean cowardly terrorist.

46

He is establishing moral status by saying he would fire anyone, but he didn't denounce the particular statements, as he has requested of 'pubs a bunch of times.

He didn't mention WHO was behind it, he simple said "wasn't me."

The guy deals with scandal like he's fucking shaggy!

47 Pigs fly first. Then cats and dogs cohabitate. Then the Cubs win the Series. Next, flying cars, and bacon that lowers your cholesterol.

Ace has been promising these things in post after post. Are you telling me it isn't true?

48

Then the Cubs win the Series.

Not farfetched this year

49

>get out of the way of Dems who are engaged in MODERN POLITICAL WARFARE

Let's give them a war, then.

50 #37, Obama will smash the nutroots. I doubt the man thinks attacking a teenage girl is acceptable and I will enjoy watching McCain and Obama destroy the fake internet base. Go ahead men! Keep your chin down and punch through it!

51

WP,

No baseball guru, me!

But I will go out on a limb and say that the Broncos will be absolutely ordinary this year.

52 New revisionism: Kos diaries on the smear have gone all "Sorry. I can't seem to find that story.", kos claims it originated from republicans on alaskan radio.

Change you can believe in!

53

kos claims it originated from republicans on alaskan radio.

"Wasn't me"

54 Yeah, the meme spreaders have been doing their thing for quite a while now. I even see it on smaller local blogs. They shit on a thread and then run away, it's all about just getting that rumor started. But it really went into overdrive this weekend, the Palin pick has obviously scared the hell out of them and they're desperately trying to write the narrative on her. The media will give them all the help they need of course, but thankfully we've got blogs like this one and others to take it right back at them.

There's no way Obama cuts the netroots loose, he's counting on them and the media to do his smearing for him while he does the "above it all" shtick like he did today.

55 Okay, so maybe he's 18, but are we sure he's not really stupid and was held back a bunch of years, so that he's only in 8th grade?  I think this guy needs to release all of his report cards, just to clear the air on this.  And then we can move on.

56 They think that Goebels methods are still relevant in Information age.

57 Lee is on to something. I don't think Team Obastard ever thought they would come this far this fast. I think he wanted to do a dry run in 2008 to prep for 2012. But the Leftards and the DNC were so smitten by a black, telegenic ultra-liberal who wasn't a Clinton, they couldn't help themselves. No blueballs for the Dems. So Barry rode the wave to the crest. Now, that the moonbat pseudo-leadership of the Left has made Obastard the standard and emblem of their future, Obastard knows he has to ride it to the end, no matter what. Lee points out that Obastard lives in Oprah world... which is why he can cozy up to self-confessed terrorist Ayers and bigot/preacher Wright. Because "we're all equal, no one is better than anyone else." Obastard is truly, through and through, post-modern. He is literally so stupid and deluded by his academic training that he can't tell the difference, in Mikey Moore fashion, the difference between a terrorist and a freedom fighter. He has never, ever lived through what a world designed by Ayers would resemble. He has no idea of what a Soviet gulag is. His whole life is so airy and dissociated from reality that his fucking spouse-cum-harpy thinks that you can't buy earrings for less than six hundred dollars, and that a family of four can't make it on a six figure salary. So Barry looks at his left wing base go apeshit about Palin's daughter, and decides that their opinion is precisely as valid as folks at AOSHQ, or NRO, or the RNC or the DNC. He's about Unity, you see, and he's not about to scold Palin for her failings, punishing Bristol with a baby. And he won't scold dKos for engaging in the highest form of patriotism, dissent. Very convenient.

58 Couple points:

Alaskans are tough. The Palins seem to be Alaskans to the power of five. They'll be fine.

Second, the late Dr. David Viscott said that the way people try to screw you always shows you how you can screw them.

Palin hired a lawyer today. Great, because Hunter and James Biden, under investigation for fraud, have, too.

Palin once belonged to a weird political party. Odd, 'cause I seem to remember that Barack Obama was a member of some kinda church and an interesting community organization that likes to do funny things with big gobs of money.

Palin's daughter is (currently) an unwed mother; Obama's mother was similarly impulsive when it came to motherhood.

Palin was for the bridge to nowhere before she was against it; Obama was against the Iraq war, for it, against it, against FISA, for FISA, against funding faith-based initiatives, for it, etc.

Make lists. Show them that their candidate is living in a lovely glass mansion, and the rock in his hand (or in his surrogates' hands) is really not the brightest of ideas.

59 Ironically, Excitable Andi's supposed idol wrote about this very concept a while back.

60 I'd hit it.

61 David Axelrod has a certain reputation himself around here.

Cough, wife beating cokehead, cough.

Wasn't in the papers but was pretty well-known by just about everyone around town.

62 Tom W.: Very perceptive.

63 I love when the girls get in on the fun nightwitch.

64 A point of accuracy. The media implies that Palin hired a lawyer today. Nope. Read further. The state of Alaska hired a lawyer weeks ago to represent Palin, in her role as the Governor, during this "troopergate" probe.

This is where lies and smears come from.

65 I should note, the reason "today" comes into that story is it was just announced. The lawyer has been on the case for a while though.

66 This will come back to bite the Obamatons, big time!

67 For the record, I don't think Obama is evil or "bad."  I don't think it even though I'm fully apprised of his association with Rev. Wright, Bill Ayers, and god knows who else.  I think he's morally shallow in a way that is particularly endemic to an entire class of educated liberals.  I grew up around these sorts of people, have gone to school with them all my life and I know the type well.  I think these folks are every bit as dangerous as the true "bad actors" (the knowing liars like on Kos and DU), maybe even moreso since they honestly believe in what they're doing and therefore aren't restrained by the qualms of a guilty conscience.

But I agree with Lee about Obama: I don't know if he's naive - at least not anymore, not after the education of the campaign - but I honestly don't think he's behind the Palin smears.  As Ace pointed out, why push them yourself when you have the nutroots willing to do that so eagerly?  A guy like Axelrod, however?  Oh, I could definitely believe that.  People who live outside of Chicago will have a hard time understanding just how hobo-fucking DIRTY and smashmouth Chicago politics can be, but I would argue that it outstrips any other city in the nation, including NYC.  And it makes national political contests look like tea parties.  Axelrod is from this milieu, and while I even doubt that HE is behind the Palin smears personally, I have no doubt whatsoever that he has taken account of them and expected them to happen.

Axelrod (and the Chicago-based Obama team) ARE NOT MORONS, however, which leads me to wonder whether their understanding of the likely path Palin slurs would take on the nutroot vine is something they tacitly approve of.  I think it far more likely that - since they're not fucking stupid - they're mortified about this and want it to die as soon as possible. 

Which makes me smile.  Obama's biggest fans are his worst enemy, as per usual.  The GOP has traditionally been The Stupid Party, and our behavior in office over the past 8 years really hasn't done anything to change that image, but let it never be said that our rank and file contributed to the sort of self-destructive own-goaling that the Nutroots have.

68 This is straight out of the Alinsky playbook:

Pick a tactic that you and your people enjoy

Freeze the target, personalize the issue, and attack, attack, ATTACK.

Alinsky loved to ambush people with false information that they couldn't respond to, and create the illusion of an upswelling of opinion in his favor, or the illusion of a general consensus.

There will be no "sister souljah moment" (SSM) because Obama is plausibly insulated from the nutroots crowd.  All he has to do is keep issuing bland pronouncements like "X is off limits" and the media won't push him to do anything further.  All an SSM would do is make people

69

"They don't need an Alinsky to tell them that" - ah, but Alinsky did tell them that. All these lies are straight out of Rules For Radicals. McCain needs to nail him to the fucking wall on this.

Obama needs to consider this, and consider it now. If a democracy is taken over by thuggery and lies, in what way is it a democracy at all anymore? How much legitimacy will President Obama be able to claim?

70

Minor Tangent: New Cool Thing About Palin

There's a video up on google video of Palin fielding CSPAN caller questions for a half hour in Februay at the site of a governors' meeting.  She's poised and articulate and all that we expect, the part I want to call attention to comes about 18 minutes in.

The interviewer asks her about whether she'd accept a VP bid from McCain and presses her.  And she demurs the way you're supposed to, but she doesn't pull any false modesty.  "I would love to serve at the national level, eventually." And goes on to express how she has her hands full with Alaskan issues &c.

But this woman knows she has chops and she's not going to pretend otherwise.

 

71

You know, Ace ...I ain't so sure you got this quite right, yet.

More and more, I've begun to think that these fuckwits actually believe this crap they spew ...that they really don't have the skills to differentiate between truth and non-truth. Their moral sense is so twisted that they've no inherent discernment of the difference between good and evil.

Combine these deficits with a total lack of any kind of ability to reason in the rational sense, and you kind of arrive at the sad conclusion that even speaking with them is pointless. (Pray for 'em, yes: but debate? - It's an utterly wasted effort. Their only hope is for a miraculous intervention.)

...they're like songbirds who can mimic human words, but the content isn't even part of their world. Poor parrots ambiguously aping sentience.

72 As I've said before, Obama is truly, literally unable to distinguish between the bigotry of a Jeremiah Wright and the vision of a Thomas Jefferson. He is a product, tested and verified, of a post-modern academic world, steeped in left-wing fantasy. For him, there is no truth but the current expediency, all values are situational. Whatever serves Obama is good and useful. But that does not mean the rest of us can't see the plain truth. I cannot agree that Obama is neither evil nor bad. People may be judged on their behavior, and the behavior of Obama's friends, political supporters and lobbyists has been disgusting, disgusting as most Chicago machine politics. But now he wants to bring this low provincial tenor of government graft to a national scale. He bears full responsibility for this. The fact that the inevitable corollary of this strategy is to elevate race-baiting, sexism, crony capitalism and identity politics to unheard of heights is something to be denounced, in the strongest terms. If anyone thinks our national politics have been soiled with cynicism and self-interest for the past 2 or 4 Presidential terms, just wait until Saint Barry of Chicago ascends to the Godhead in Pennsylvania Avenue. Think Al Jolson: You ain't seen nothing yet.

73 davis,br: Maybe. However, consider things like Obama's mentors' philosophies (islam, communism, black liberation theology), the words of Fowler, and the cover-up by the aforementioned sites whence the masses received marching orders. Those three things alone require conscious, malicious intent.

74 In case I am not clear, Obama himself has been duplicitous, venal, and deceitful. Yet he simply does not see this as an issue. The endless prevarications on everything from Iraq to public campaign finance to energy to the threat from Iran... he is a serial liar. As Jim Geraghty has said, there is no, I repeat, no statement from the lips of the Messiah that does not have an expiration date. And in this he is worse than any politician seeking the Presidency in my lifetime. But it is more grave than this. Given how many former allies he has thrown under the bus, we should be very, very alarmed at the prospect of whom he would betray as President. Just about everyone and everything, if it serves his current needs.

75

Freddoso's book "The Case Against Obama" is a hatchet job, and like other books in this genre it throws the iron filings at the magnet and invites us to see if they fall in a pattern.

The pattern here is that Obama is an admirer of strongmen who organise their supporters, take over the nation and ??? and utopia!

But Obama is not secure enough in his own skin to be one of those strongmen himself. He is just about good enough to make the sort of friend who can help him, many of whom are this sort of strongman. Hence, Wright. Hence, Ayers. Hence, Stroger and Daley and Rezko. (Haven't heard of Stroger? You will.)

I expect Obama's cabinet to be full of these petty tyrants and crooks. They will all spend the first two years of his administration bickering amongst themselves. Meanwhile the Democratic Congress will pretty much own the US domestically. Overseas, if you liked how Bush looked into Pooty-poot's soul, then you'll love Obama's puppy-dog-eyes at Hugo Chavez, lil Kim and the various Arab dictators.

76 Jeebus, David Ross. You're scaring me. This is precisely how Obama's "advisors" will manage him.

77 I love when the girls get in on the fun nightwitch

And he looks like he'd be a lot of fun. I can see why Bristol fell for him.

78 The thing about these lefties and their satan tactics is the fact that no matter what they print....

We don't and WONT believe or give credence to a single thing they say, blog or print.

Hmmm.... I guess that would really make them mad, since they live under the assumption that whatever spittle they produce MUST be heard by everyone with ears to hear, eyes to see and mouths to speak.

Whoooo I think someone left the refrigerator light on way too long in their tiny little minds... plus they're missing a few screws. Ah well.

GO PALIN GO!!! WE LOVE YOU!!

CAN'T WAIT FOR NOVEMBER!! YEEHAW!!

79

You better believe it ace. LGF caught Obama's "Fightthesmears" site itself spreading rumors about Palin

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/31096_Whos_Behind_Anti-Palin_Smear_Site/comments/#ctop

80 Something has slowly dawned on me. 

We have this all wrong.  Obama has been bleating the same message, over and over.  A new kind of politics.  What's happening in this election certainly seems new.  What has changed?

We keep skating around it, because every time we get close to it, our better natures repel us from it, but it's starting to shine with crystal clarity - at least for me.

We keep talking about Obama coming up out of Chicago politics, but we don't ever examine that truth for what it means in terms of modus operandi.  It translates roughly, for most people, as "Bad Mean!"  We know about projection.  We know that, when the netroots accuse us of some dastardly trick, they're revealing more about what they are capable of than what we are actually doing.  We laugh at them and keep ourselves above it all, but many of their lies have begun to stick, at the expense of some things we hold dear.

Consider.  We make fun of Obama's assertion that campaigning for the Presidency counts as experience.  Part of what makes that seem so ridiculous, to me, has been the lack of any tangible connection between what Obama does, and how much people support him.  We joke that they've drunk the "kool aid", but we would never suspect the guy in the big glass pitcher suit of being anything more than a prop, in the right place (the refrigerator), at the right time (high noon on a summer day).  We've been assigning all of the action to the thirsty kids with empty dixie cups, never to the kool aid guy himself.  (At least, never for very long.)

So the folks at Redstate are checking into the Kos kid that most actively advocated the rumor, but they aren't bothering with the one that first brought it up.  Hey, someone heard the rumor and posted a poll about whether they should follow it up, but it was some other guy that ran with it, right?

Follow the Money.  Ask, Who Benefits?  Does it make sense to chase after a bunch of internet yahoos that have no more invested in all this than the applause of virtual buddies, but graciously refuse to consider that the man who reaps the reward, including our trust in his good natured above it allness?

Notice how many times he's stepped in just a little bit too late to be able to put the genie back in the bottle.  Are we trying so hard to avoid being dubbed paranoid conspiracy nuts that we're letting the obvious slide on by?  I wish I knew.  But I hate the idea that the lovely Sarah could end up covered with so much smear that people decide it's not worth the effort to find the light shining from underneath.

81 Thank you, William. Obama is no "innocent bystander" in this matter. He's the very peak of the pustulent pimple.

82 Follow the Money. Ask, Who Benefits? Does it make sense to chase after a bunch of internet yahoos that have no more invested in all this than the applause of virtual buddies, but graciously refuse to consider that the man who reaps the reward, including our trust in his good natured above it allness?

We have a winner. Obama knows precisely what he is doing, and to whom he is doing it. Can we really believe his enormous, thirty-six million dollar per month organization just doesn't have a clue where these base speculations originate? Weren't we all told how brilliant the Obama campaign has been in utilizing the internet to advance his prospects? We've seen the Obama campaign communiqué ordering Obamabots to deluge WGN when Stan Kurtz appeared with Milt Rosenberg. Well? Even if this garbage about Bristol didn't originate inside Axelrod's office, he sure as shit is not doing anything serious to quell it.

83 HEY, ACE! HEADS UP:

As despicable as the left is in this whole sordid affair, you need to be aware that Andy Martin is a complete screwball, and should not be trusted as a source on anything, ever.

I am very familiar with this character, as he is a perennial office seeker here in Illinois, and sues anything and anyone that moves over anything you can imagine.

Please do not associate your good name with this jerk. You are only asking for trouble if you do.

Thanks and all the best!

84

Honestly just try and post a negative story about Obama on popular sites. They swarm on it to shut it down.

I dont doubt that the nutroots arent proactive themselves but believe me there is a lot of winking and secret handshakes between these two groups.

85

Can read more about Soros and Obama

http://michellemalkin.com/2008/08/20/the-democrat-party-platforms-hidden-soros-slush-fund/

86

73 - Oh I readily believe that the conscious manipulation of the simpletons based on an malignant intent is real enough. Or sourced in Evil, as far as that goes (based on my theology). Still: pawns aren't Queens ...though queens are pawns on this board (could not resist).

87 Well, I'd like to say I was surprised by what Andy Martin wrote up, but then I'd be lying. Yet another instance of Obama's surprising lack of character. What scares me is that you'd think the Obama campaign can't go any lower, but that they ultimately will find a way. May garbage like this, as well as the other examples, help completely destroy Obama's campaign.

88

A leader can best be judged by the results of the movement they create. So we should hang every one of Obama's supporters around his neck. Every lie should be titled as "Obama supporters are claiming..." rather than "Lefties are claiming..."

Right now they are actually using "liberal" and "leftist" as a smokescreen to peddle Obama's smears while giving him deniability. I call it the "Smear and Smile" strategy. It's time we name every smear after its daddy, even if he tries to deny paternity.

"Obama's supporters are launching new attacks against Sarah Palin's 5 month old son"

89 At this point, may we dispense with this noxious fiction that the Obama campaign and the Messiah Himself are post-partisan?

Of course not.

90 Between Obama's communist rhetoric, Fowler's malicious words, and their supporters' actions... how can this keep going? I just don't understand any more. Is this what it was like before Il Duce? Was it even this dangerous?

91 Wow: Sarah Palin is about to become a grandma - but she's still a <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yn7UzxXv8p4">bad ass</a>

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yn7UzxXv8p4

92 The nutroots seem to have chased off any decent people from the Sarah Palin Wikipedia article and are now controlling it. This is bad because that is one of the top Google hits for people who want to know about her.

The memes there:
1. She's not really a porkbuster.
2. She's a close associate of Ted Stevens
3. She was a bad mother for flying home to have Trig
4. She's a secessionist
5. She's a Buchanan supporter

And on and on.

93 Thank God I'm not the paranoid freak I thought I was!


Okay.  I really don't think that, but I've reached the point where I'm afraid to point a finger in the direction I know is right, because I might be thought a conspiracy nut.  Not so afraid, obviously, that I don't go ahead and do it.

I want evidence dammit!  A breadcrumb trail of IP addresses, and now, before the trail is processed into bird droppings.  If messages are being sent, then there is a way to intercept them.

And hell yes Tyrtle, we tie this crap around his neck.  We don't need to wait for the magical revelation of the breadcrumbs - they certainly don't.

Mr. Orwell.  I think the only ones that ever bought that fiction will never let it go, but we at least have to keep contesting it.  Anonymous worries about Il Duce, and so do I.  I grew up in - and still live in - a mostly Jewish community.  I've spent most of my life trying to figure out how to recognize the coming of the totalitarian movement.  I've taken the measure of the courage that such situations require, and I pray that I'll never need to go beyond the academic.

94 Mr. Right,

Thanks for that... My bad on linking him without knowing who the hell he was.

95

Palin is like cancer to the left, just like Clarence Thomas. They will do anything to destroy her, because they know the risk she represents to them. Everything is about identity politics and making people dependant on the state to them. She turns that on its head.

96 I think we're all losing sight of the real issue here.  Namely, the fact that Eric Cantor is a J-E-W.  Focus, people.

97

Want some advice?  If you see a smear against Levi Johnston on a prominent lefty site, screencap it. 

There's a higher standard of proof when bringing a lawsuit for defamation against a public figure.  Defamation against some 18 year old recent high school grad and hockey player?  Not so much.

He's only being dragged into the public spotlight by the smear merchants.  If I were him, I'd be calling up a lawyer today.

98 In a new age of info wars is really where we are. Is it that the old monopoly of media the Left had is dying and the new frontier must be staked under a new, more offensive paradigm? Possibly, if not likely. I agree with assertions that there are king makers (as there have always been) hiring virtual goons to prepare the political battlefield. Likewise, there are useful idiots and political novices who actually believe in the cause and don't check their behavior whether they understand the consequences of untempered means to ends or not.

But there's another narrative of which we should be aware. If there are indeed players of 3-dimensional chess manipulating our society, what if the motive is sheer destabilization for destabilization itself? If everything is settled and calm, status quo gets reinforced. If one is out of control (politically/economically) yet remains powerful, that is an undesirable position. What to do? Destabilize. You tear down from within and hope that your position is enhanced. Even if your perfect plan fails, you at least changed the environment and upset the status quo which wasn't helping you anyway. You can always try to destabilize again. This is standard fare to subversion and pretty common in any society. Undermine the government or the politics that compose it and move in with your own team. People like Soros are quite effective in this sort of mission.

What's more and in particular to the U.S., we are in the midst of various debates on the freedom of speech. See Fairness Doctrine and McCain-Feingold. Those who would try to regulate speech to mold politics know that we, collectively want "free speech." It's not really true because we've seen how the fascist Left (and the legacy media) have been propagandizing and filtering for decades, but in principle, "we" support the First Amendment. Now, with the subversive message machines we have on the internet, it's getting harder to know what's true or how to refute that which is virtualized first on the net and then in the mind. Also more difficult is attributing the disinformation and checking the source. Enter the desire for government intervention by the masses to force the validation of who, what, when, where, and why something was written.

What's the point? Even if the smear merchants lose the battle by antagonizing honest debaters, their masters will still win the war by allowing proxies to decry the offensive tactics while they themselves craft legislation to restrict speech or to make it "more fair." As an example, let's apply to current day. The Left prefers the Fairness Doctrine more than the Right because legacy media is dying. With the obscene smears becoming more ubiquitous to destroy candidates, Right and Left will warm to the idea of some sort of control on speech. Congress will be forced by popular demand to respond and we'll have "fairness" thrust upon us. Advantage Left.

Those 3-dimensional chess players will have two bites at the apple. Undermine and smear with the direct and immediate goal of getting your guy in power as a front. Manipulate the puppet. If that fails and you see no short- or mid-term opportunity to turn the government, then press for legislation that would reset the battlefield in your favor. An army of online smear merchants would prove very useful to those who would destabilize.

And with that stream of consciousness, I'm off to my nightmare sleep.

99 The Big Lie is a propaganda technique. It was defined by Adolf Hitler in his 1925 autobiography Mein Kampf as a lie so "colossal" that no one would believe that someone "could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously".

100 Don't Believe a Damn Thing Lefties Write About the PalinsI posted this earlier on another thread:

Palin said she was glad that Obama recognized the importance of Alaskan natural gas reserves:

“I am pleased to see Senator Obama acknowledge the huge potential Alaska’s natural gas reserves represent in terms of clean energy and sound jobs, Governor Palin said."

So some lefty bloggers have twisted that into Palin supporting Obama's energy plan. Even Glenn Reynolds ran with it. What turned such a smart guy turn into an Instatard?

Looks like the Palin Effect has the power of several million hydrogen bombs.

101 (Psalm 63: 1): O God, Thou art my God, early will I seek Thee. My soul thirsteth for Thee. My flesh longeth for Thee in a dry and thirsty land.
(Psalm 63: 2): So as I have seen Thee in the sanctuary.
(Psalm 63: : My soul followeth hard after Thee.
(Psalm 63: 9): But those that seek my soul, to destroy it, shall go into the lower parts of the earth.
(Psalm 63: 10): They shall fall by the sword, they shall be apportion for foxes.
(Psalm 63: 11): But the king shall rejoice in God. Everyone that sweareth by Him shall glory. But the mouth of them that speak lies shall be stopped.

102 Wow. If I was a seventeen year old girl with that boy as my boyfriend? I would have been in trouble. Big trouble.
Just saying. That dude is hot.

103

Ace, "The truth is whatever serves the Party" is an old communist mantra.

They've been lying for (how old is communism?) 100 years and getting the benefit of the doubt. I think we just entered a new era of leftist sentiment so now it is more blatant.

104 14 I don't think he can cut the nutroots loose.  Who will he have left if he does?

The Obvious

Easy...he'll have the disenfranchised ex-Hillary/ex-Palin/ex-Hillary voters in his pocket, man.

105 AnonymousDrivel at September 02, 2008 05:15 AM (sI5Ho): Exactly. From the beginning, during the (first) French Revolution, that's what the Left was about. Nothing has changed. They are direct products of 19th-century, anti-enlightenment nihilist thought out of Germany and France.

captkidhussseiney at September 02, 2008 06:29 AM (TVjed): The whole of the 20th century was a series of wars between socialist factions to determine which came on top. We're now in the next phase: destabilization of nation states, agitation for world government and world welfare, and massive immigration to bring the first world down a notch.

106 One forum I frequent leans significantly to the left politically, but I stay out of the politics section, and the rest of it is mostly civil and well-informed.

I took a look at the politics area last night, and a number of regulars appear to have gone batshit insane over Palin.

I know they're capable of rational discourse, and yet they're repeating the idiotic and vile fake pregnancy crap - and a whole lot else beside.  So I started a thread asking why.

If I get an answer beyond "you started it!" I'll report back.  But I don't hold out much hope.

107

a related story that didn't accuse Palin of faking a pregnancy but "raised questions" about why she'd board a flight in such a delicate condition. (Wink, wink.)

Again, mor evidence as to why we shouldn't trust Palin.  Apparently, the grand scheme to make people believe she was pregnant fell apart when she went on a commercial flight not looking pregnant.  Didn't she have enough sense to secretly fly in a private jet or to wear her fat suit?  Clearly, Rove wsn't at the head of this scheme.  They made too many rookie mistakes.

108 That "eighth grader" looks like he could probably kick my ass. Just sayin'.

109 Didn't she have enough sense to secretly fly in a private jet

She sold it on eBay, which is another reason to love her.

...and I'm with Stormy, if anyone like that had liked me when I was in high school...I think the women who "pity" Bristol about being "forced" to "ruin her life" are just batshit jealous they couldn't get any positive attention from guys when they were 17.  Or 27.  Or 37.

110 Any bets on how many of these deranged assholes who have been posting these vile lies about the Palins sport "Tolerance," "Coexist," or "Hate is not a family value" bumper stickers on their Priuses?

How about a bumper sticker of our own:

Ask Bristol Palin
Liberals are MEAN

111

And, well... who knows who "ArcXIX" will turn out to be.

Half of DKOS is now convinced it is none other then.....

...

....

WTF! Get on the drums dude! I'm hanging here. Don't make a fuckin maniac out of me!

....

KARL ROVE!

And no I'm not kidding. They appear to be serious.

112

At any rate, I have been given an advantage in life of dealing with nitwits, because I grew up with someone who'd do this.

Not political, no. And not nasty.

But he'd just make shit up - invent it on the spot out of I don't know what - and then actually believe it, once he heard it come out of his own mouth.

He'd state it tepidly, like a guess, like 'I thought..". Then, once he heard his own voice say it, it was accreddited.

"No really, I heard that somewhere".

Yeah, jackass, from you, 15 seconds ago when you made it up.

113 Andy Martin or as I knew him, Anthony Martin-Trigona, would walk around in army fatigues and tell everyone that he was ex-Army and a Viet Nam war correspondent. He was neither. They army didn't want him because he was psychologically unfit and he was denied admissioon to the state bar for the same reason.  He was a famous for being a student slum landlord. 

Since the 1960s, he's run for various political offices, disappearing for hospitalization, popping up again with a new name, stalking charges, declared a vextigious litigant, etc.  Anyway, as much as I sympathesize with people suffering from mental illness, he's a real pain in the ass and has been one for decades.

114  We need to make self defense more palatable.
 Case in point ; The cub scouts on the bus.

 With my right hand to God . I swear, if anyone threatens my son like those lefties did than they, and they alone , are responsible for the consequences . Real men defend their families .  Yeah, my neck is red. Honestly red . A lifetime in the sun will do that to people of my ethnicity . Nuff said.

115 I like this nightwitch person. Reminds me of my sisters.

116 As a lifelong Democrat and PETA member, I was shocked to the very fiber of my soul by a rumor that I heard this morning:

Each night Michelle Obama pounds a life chicken up Barak's ass.

For the love of Gaia, we must determine if this rumor is true or not.

I, as a lifelong Democrat and PETA member demand that Barak Obama submit documented proof from a qualified proctologist that he has no chicken feathers in his colon.

Only then can we let this matter go!

117

What did you expect? We took a drink when we were 18 and look what they did to us. 

118 Tyrtle #88:

Gonna take your idea and run with it at the protein wisdom pub. Hope you don't mind.

119 Maybe he is an 8th grader but he's on steroids. Has he attacked any one lately screaming about "uncut dick"? Or had fantasies about his soon-to-be mother-in-law being knocked up by Sasquatch?

120 Well, what else can you say in this post-journalism, pseudo-information age other that it's now a blog eat blog world....

121 Great catch with the DU comment, sometimes they will be honest about what they're attempting. I'm confident that there's coordination going on behind the scenes on this, leaving Senator Obama to stand up and tell people to not be so mean. He can appear to be the good guy while the others are doing the dirty work in a not at all unfamiliar pattern.

The problem is, the dirty work is being echoed by the legacy media and what crazy crap comes out of DU shows up on mainstream sites and on the lips of talking heads within a few months. Because honestly, some of them are on DU.

122

family menbers are off limits?? o please... only if you are a democrate. 

look at the roumors of recient past...

chealsey  clinton got knocked up by a secret service bodyguard...he got transfered, she had abortion..media looked other way

al goreIII arrested drunk and higher than a kite days before 2000 D.N.C.  drugs found on him and in him...daddy bails him out..charged reduced to reckless driving...media keeps mouth shut

 

bristol palin is pregnant...IT"S OPEN SEASON PEOPLE

123 Biden's love child has surfaced. The Obama campaign is keeping a tight lid on this thanks to the Kos Kids. Major Garret from Fox has the whole story on Fox news tonight. Let the games begin!

124 I like this nightwitch person. Reminds me of my sisters.

Aw shucks, thanks aubrey! And I think we may be ideological brother and sister as well. Didn't I read in another thread that you were a 9/11 convert to the "dark side"?

125 More and more, I've begun to think that these fuckwits actually believe this crap they spew

This is one of the problems with lying a lot; you begin to believe your own lies.  Eventually, you become the lie.

126 Nightwitch at 124.... Yes ma'am.

127 Yeah, they're going there....

Of course Obama took the high road in public. He OBVIOUSLY couldn't agree with the trash talk, or it would be the end of the election right there. So he took the high road, while his buddies in Daily Kos et al took the low road. The very low road. For that they are all going to burn in Hell. C'mon everybody, vote Republican this year, and let these clowns pickle in their own malice. 

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