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| VP Pick Craziness-FNC/NBC?Others: It's.....Palin.NBC says Romeny and Pawlenty are definitely out. Fox says it's Palin but ABC says as 9am this morning, she's still in Alaska. So if it is her, it doesn't look like she'd make it to Ohio by noon. But...Marc Ambinder playing the flight tracking game has found an interesting private flight from Anchorage to Dayton.Whichever way McCain goes (and it looks like Palin) he and his team has done a great job of knocking The One's speech off the proverbial front page. ![]() I am absolutely delighted by this selection. Once again, John McCain has shown that he is an independent thinker who paints in bold strokes. Sarah Palin is a conservative reformer with executive experience who will bring a breath of fresh air to Washington. She will be an ideal running mate for John McCain, and will make a major contribution to our country's futureUnconfirmed reports claim he went on to say, "If things ever breakdown with my lovely wife Jerri, I'd happily tap VP Palin, if you know what I mean." Congratulations to 8starnorth who was the first to predict Palin in yesterday's prediction thread. Your month's worth of free AoS HQ content begins today. Enjoy! Comments1
Are you feeling chills NOW, Chrissy????
Posted by: Scout at August 29, 2008 10:33 AM (h/4DY) 2
Chicago Tribune, CNBC, Christian Newswire, and Politico all say it's Palin.
Posted by: Benson at August 29, 2008 10:34 AM (qzcNU) 3
Obama who?
Posted by: Stinky Esposito at August 29, 2008 10:34 AM (MMC8r) Posted by: duff at August 29, 2008 10:34 AM (T8tFN) 5
So, will she be running against Hillary in 2012?
Posted by: mbruce at August 29, 2008 10:35 AM (h/5U0) 6
I tell ya. They're doin' a great job of keeping speculation going without showing their cards. If it is Palin then they are pretty confident right now.
Posted by: runninrebel at August 29, 2008 10:35 AM (qAMnO) 7
Carl Cameron of Fox has a top McCain aide saying it's Palin!
Posted by: Benson at August 29, 2008 10:35 AM (qzcNU) 8
Krauthammer thinks she's weak. I agree.
Posted by: Bart at August 29, 2008 10:36 AM (/EpPq) 9
Yeah, we'll it would help if Cameron stopped calling her Susan Palin.
Posted by: DrewM. at August 29, 2008 10:36 AM (hlYel) 10
Wait a minute.
Are you suggesting that McCain might do something that doesn't upset his base? On purpose? McCain/VPILF '08 Posted by: JayC at August 29, 2008 10:36 AM (nZ0KA) 11
CBS says Sarah's parents have been told to stand by the radio.
Posted by: Benson at August 29, 2008 10:37 AM (qzcNU) 12
Oh, man. This whole Palin media storm is going to make it sooooo much funnier when he picks Lieberman.
Posted by: Mob at August 29, 2008 10:37 AM (f+cPk) 13
Palin is the worst of the best.
Romney, Pawlenty, and Palin would each make the best choice for Veep, in that order. Posted by: Bart at August 29, 2008 10:38 AM (/EpPq) 14
Mad props to you morons. The guy on Fox was just talking about how this move shocks the entire political establishment, but I learned about her and her milfyness here months ago. But this is going to become a boring blog is we all start spending as much time in the bunk as I'm guessing we might. Posted by: Prufrock at August 29, 2008 10:38 AM (vISQb) 15
Apparently the ABC "She's in Alaska" conclusion is old. Typical MSM, bringing you yesterday's news today!
Posted by: suedenim at August 29, 2008 10:38 AM (sjoS1) Posted by: IreneFingIrene at August 29, 2008 10:39 AM (MFQJZ) 17
ahhh.. never mind.. i see it elsewhere..
Posted by: IreneFingIrene at August 29, 2008 10:39 AM (MFQJZ) 18
I'm very enthused for Palin. I'm actually more excited about McCain with her on the ticket, right now. I don't think I've ever actually had my flagging enthusiasm stoked by a sweet VP choice before. Good job, McCain, if it turns out to be the case. Not only is she a top-notch conservative, she's a woman (if there's anyone out there enough into identity politics to vote for McCain just because he has a female on the ticket), but she's also--um--pretty babe-a-liscious. If nothing else, it certainly can't hurt to have a smart, capable woman who is also very attractive (and very photogenic) on the ticket. And the Democrats will savage her, a reveal a lot of the buried misogyny, and I think it's generally good when the average Joes get to see what hypocrites the folks on the left actually are. Maybe it'll stick, maybe it won't, but the sexism against Palin as McCain's VP pick will be grotesque, I predict. Posted by: Medicinal at August 29, 2008 10:40 AM (jQS9X) 19
That's good, interesting and funny.
Good, because McCain might actually be picking a conservative.
Interesting because it would be the first time in about 8 years that McCain, given the opportunity, didn't stick his finger in my eye (by picking Lieberman or Romney or Huckabee). McCain placating his base? Call
It'll be funny (absolutely hysterically, outrageiously and uproariously funny) because that screech you'll hear if/when he names her will be Hillary Clinton knowing that she will never be President of the United States.
If Obama! wins, he will be the nominee in 4 years. If he wins in 4 years, his VP will run in 8 years. In 8 years, if Obama! wins this year and loses in 4 years, Hillary will be around 70, in 12 years she'll be 70-something. So she's done in that case and why her and Bill are doing their best to torpedo him.
If Obama! loses, she'll be running against either McCain/Palin in 4 years or just Sarah Palin (I don't know if nearly 80-year-old McCain will run again in 4 years) so she won't be the "First Woman" anything.
A joke worthy of this, the funniest end of civilization ever.
Posted by: Veeshir at August 29, 2008 10:40 AM (zXUuJ) Posted by: Phinn at August 29, 2008 10:40 AM (NLtoU) 21
Bill Kristol sez it's Palin
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 29, 2008 10:41 AM (zpaDL) 22
I swear there were paragraph breaks in there when I typed it.
Posted by: Veeshir at August 29, 2008 10:41 AM (zXUuJ) 23
Mark Levin just said if its Palin he will vote for McCain
Posted by: Yojimbo at August 29, 2008 10:41 AM (yOC7S) 24
Fox just confirmed
VPILF!!! Posted by: mbruce at August 29, 2008 10:42 AM (h/5U0) 25
Come 1/20/09, I'll be in my bunk for the next four years...
Posted by: NHGuy at August 29, 2008 10:42 AM (kLk/O) 26
Yay!
Posted by: Z Ryan at August 29, 2008 10:43 AM (PDeVA) 27
She's 100% conservative!
Posted by: 8starsnorth at August 29, 2008 10:44 AM (wLqv4) 28
Mission Control (in best Fred Thompson voice) : "Base to Ace. Prepare Flaming Skull Launch Sequence.....in 5, 4, 3, 2, ?" Posted by: Sir Lurksalot at August 29, 2008 10:44 AM (W3XUk) 29
VPILF . . . never doubt the creativity of morons
Posted by: BTM at August 29, 2008 10:45 AM (v0dke) 30
My prediction - the first Black president and the first woman president will both be REPUBLICAN!
Suck on that Liberals!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 29, 2008 10:45 AM (zpaDL) 31
I'm ok with it. It's ballsie and risky. She's completely untested in the lower 48 and in a campaign with more than a 700k voter market. But I'll give her the benefit of the doubt.
Posted by: runninrebel at August 29, 2008 10:45 AM (qAMnO) Posted by: Well Hung Chad at August 29, 2008 10:46 AM (d+kiR) 33
Maybe it'll stick, maybe it won't, but the sexism against Palin as McCain's VP pick will be grotesque, I predict.
Most definitely. Bitch, cunt, whore, slut - 24/7. God, if this doesn't shake some people up.. i don't know what will. Posted by: IreneFingIrene at August 29, 2008 10:46 AM (MFQJZ) 34
1) Conservative
2) Pro-life, so no schisms there 3) Has appeal to disaffected PUMAs. 4)Allows GOP ticket to steal some of Barry's 'historical' thunder Whether or not she's someone's top pick for the job, she's a good tactical choice for the ticket. Posted by: Stinky Esposito at August 29, 2008 10:48 AM (MMC8r) 35
Time to buy stock in Sealy.
Posted by: Oedipus at August 29, 2008 10:48 AM (5Djkl) 36
You better believe the sexism will be hardcore. It'll be worse than being a black republican under discussion at the NAACP.
God bless that pro-life governor. Notice I didn't say VPILF. That's because I'm trying to denounce sexism in this post. VPILF. Posted by: Z Ryan at August 29, 2008 10:48 AM (PDeVA) 37
Gotta give it to Maverick--he has the capacity to surprise. Very astute politics here. One word that will not be uttered by the Messiah--EVER: "Experience."
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at August 29, 2008 10:49 AM (T5okf) Posted by: eddiebear at August 29, 2008 10:49 AM (wnU1W) Posted by: Bart at August 29, 2008 10:49 AM (/EpPq) 40
Santa got my letter.
Posted by: sherlock at August 29, 2008 10:51 AM (ojW85) 41
Kristol is a jooo, he and Dick Morris have about the same credibility rating, which hovers somewhere around a rat's ass.
Posted by: BTM at August 29, 2008 10:52 AM (v0dke) 42
As I said in the other thread, she will be tested on her foreign policy knowledge by the Dems especially since its supposed to be the strong point of her opponent. I assume she will have to do some major league cramming.
Posted by: polynikes at August 29, 2008 10:52 AM (m2CN7) 43
MSNBC: "Sarah Palin is a dirty hobo-fucking slore. This is Keith Olbermann, playing it down the middle."
Posted by: Jeff B. at August 29, 2008 10:52 AM (BWTSB) 44
I'd imagine that the Dems are quickly at work trying to disqualify Palin on the grounds she's not a citizen, or not a human, or not a Democrat, or whatever.
Posted by: Bart at August 29, 2008 10:53 AM (/EpPq) Posted by: Stinky Esposito at August 29, 2008 10:53 AM (MMC8r) 46
My water bottle just exploding in my lap. If that's not a metaphor for something I don't know what is.
Posted by: Z Ryan at August 29, 2008 10:53 AM (PDeVA) 47
YES!!!! Awesome choice, I love what I've seen in her bio!!! McCain/Palin! YES!!!! Check out the pic on Drudge of her holding a large fish, tell me that's not worth a few votes!!! GO SARAH GO!!! Posted by: John at August 29, 2008 10:53 AM (nAxsL) 48
Is it possible that McCain's maverickyness against the repubs is a complete headfake to simply get moderate dems to vote for him? Is it possible that he may, if elected, govern as Reagan did? After work today, I will begin the ceremonious "dipping of the balls" in this pick. Posted by: Judd at August 29, 2008 10:53 AM (BXHeE) 49
Why would McCain forfeit one of his best arguments against Obama, the experience argument? A year and a half ago Palin was mayor of a small town (pop. 6,715). Now she's governor of a small state (pop. 650,000, a lot of which is under Indian and Eskimo government anyways) mostly owned by the federal government. Scarborough said picking Palin would be a joke. Smacks of pandering. Tom Ridge would be the best choice, puts PA into play big time. Posted by: galoob at August 29, 2008 10:53 AM (GFaLW) 50
How hard do you think MSNBC is working to find every unattractive picture they can to use when they are forced to report on her?
Posted by: wiserbud at August 29, 2008 10:55 AM (IHbof) 51
I'm actually kind of excited.
You can expect her to be really good at balancing power, something we need right now. She likes oil, but doesn't like being bullied by big oil. She didn't abort her down syndrome child. She's hot. She's limited government. If McCain would only promise to actually secure the border BEFORE any type of amnesty, I'd be donating. Posted by: LiveFreeOrDie at August 29, 2008 10:55 AM (ib9Bi) 52
There will be grotesque sexism. Acknowledging that she's a VPILF is sorta-kinda sexist, but not the grotesque kind. Will she really appeal to the disaffected Hillary demographic? She is kind of, um, gorgeous. Which may piss some of those folks off. I've seen it before. What's with the "VPILF? You morons!" comments. Is it a statement against the implicit sexism of confessing the allure of McCain's VP pick, or is it . . . jealousy? Sorry you didn't think of it? Hmm? Posted by: Medicinal at August 29, 2008 10:55 AM (jQS9X) 53
Ridge is too liberal -- would have pissed off the base.
Scarborough is trying to forge a career for himself at MSNBC, so I'd take whatever he says with a giant rock of salt. Posted by: Scout at August 29, 2008 10:56 AM (h/4DY) 54
Whoever it is, McCain's campaign is playing it perfectly. Sucks all of the gas out of Obama's coronation.
Posted by: roy at August 29, 2008 10:56 AM (cB77O) 55
OK, no he can have a sign in my yard(s). have 18 (rental) houses, gonna needa a lot of signs. NAUGHTY LIBRARIANS freakin rule. /be in my bunk Posted by: Mister Brickhouse at August 29, 2008 10:56 AM (sV25S) Posted by: LiveFreeOrDie at August 29, 2008 10:57 AM (ib9Bi) 57
Scarborough said picking Palin would be a joke. Smacks of pandering. Spoken by the biggest panderer around. Scarborough has done this crap before. I always assumed he was on drugs for his back and wasn't thinking clearly. One plus about Palin is that she may bring some sanity to this god awful GW bullshit. Posted by: grc at August 29, 2008 10:57 AM (YleVG) 58
You people amaze me. Motherfuckers on this blog and others have been saying, "what about Palin" "what about Palin" for months. He picks Palin and MANY are saying he blew it. Bunch of pussies. You're afraid of Obama. She is the PERFECT pick.
Posted by: Aaron at August 29, 2008 10:57 AM (C94Qb) 59
McCain picked a girl?????
EWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW!!!!!!!!!!! Well, as much as I didn't want to (giggle), I guess I'm gonna have to vote for the smoking hot black guy. Posted by: Andi with a ♥ over the "i" at August 29, 2008 10:57 AM (IHbof) 60
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MSNBC: "Sarah Palin is a dirty hobo-fucking slore. This is Keith Olbermann, playing it down the middle."
Holy fuck, that was funny! I just sneeze-laughed soda! Posted by: 7 at August 29, 2008 10:57 AM (O9PJP) 61
Just saw a picture of her husband for the first time... damnit!
Posted by: Immolate at August 29, 2008 10:57 AM (MUDCA) 62
And the Democrats will savage her, a reveal a lot of the buried misogyny, and I think it's generally good when the average Joes get to see what hypocrites the folks on the left actually are. Maybe it'll stick, maybe it won't, but the sexism against Palin as McCain's VP pick will be grotesque, I predict. The dems won't even have to go near the fact that she's a woman. They'll attack her on experience and her "extremist" positions. McCain just sacrificed the middle to hold a base that would've come around in the end anyway. And he gave away his best argument against Obama. Huge mistake, imo. If he had to play identity politics, he should've picked Kay Bailey Hutchinson. Posted by: TiredWench at August 29, 2008 10:58 AM (Kx1hM) 63
The flips in the media from Hillary is a woman, therefore vote for her to Palin is a woman, don't vote for McCain because of her will commence. Media homosexuals like Olbermanananaaaannnn will try to rip her to shreds. But I think women will actually think hard about voting for McCain, well, as hard a most women can think, and this will pull a bunch of them in, political philosophy notwithstanding. Ballsy choice. Posted by: Rev Dr E Buzz at August 29, 2008 10:58 AM (sf4Oe) 64
I assume she will have to do some major league cramming.
To match wits with Jumpin' Joe Joe Biden? Shiiiiiiiit, it's common sense. I could beat Joe Biden in a debate. The man is a fucking ninny. Posted by: Bart at August 29, 2008 10:58 AM (/EpPq) 65
Man, I have the strongest sense of detachment from the people around me who get surprised by these things... like the whole gaddam MSM! I realize that from Edwards to Ayers to Palin (sorry about that association) I knew things that others were totally unaware of, and perhaps will continue to be forever.
Posted by: sherlock at August 29, 2008 10:59 AM (ojW85) 66
MORONS FOR MILF's ACE RULES!! One point, VERY IMPORTANT, she gets the Christian worker bees fired up. Without the soldiers in the field we have no chance, now, BRING IT ON! I said 40 states damn it, don't forget in November! My Tin Hat is getting VERY good reception today, no more Fay. So did anyone make a speech last night? Hey, Big O, how does it feel to play against the A team? Your not in Iowa or Kansas anymore "fella" I'd say Boy, but that would be racist!! Your not going to rig the real vote like you did the caucus. Your toast, lightly browned. Posted by: kempermanx at August 29, 2008 10:59 AM (2+9Yx) 67
TiredWench: "McCain just sacrificed the middle to hold a base that would've come around in the end anyway."
I wasn't coming around. And I still may not if McCain doesn't say some shit about border enforcement. But it a lot more likely I can get excited now. Posted by: LiveFreeOrDie at August 29, 2008 11:01 AM (ib9Bi) 68
Drill here, drill now!
Posted by: toby hussein 928 at August 29, 2008 11:01 AM (evdj2) 69
If nothing else, McCain's team has knocked Obama off the front pages the day after his biggest and most widely seen TV address. If Obama would ever climb high and quick, it would be after a carefully crafted, major speech seen by millions (even if what he said is complete crap, people will respond in the aggregate). Now, that's potentially been cut off right at the knees. Palin, the Silver Bullet of Team McCain. Let's hope she continues to be as useful in the coming months.
Posted by: Wineball2000 at August 29, 2008 11:01 AM (FWis6) 70
I would like to drill "ANWR"...
Posted by: Hoodlumman at August 29, 2008 11:01 AM (FAZ6l) 71
galoob at August 29, 2008 10:53 AM (GFaLW)
As a PA citizen, Ridge was an idiot and PA was happy when he went to washington so we didn't have to deal with the idiot anymore. Palin is a great choice. the inexperience is on the bottom of the ticket not like BHO at the top. The case can be easily seen that Palin will have time to learn on the job not as BHO will have to learn from day one. Palin is a conservative with a capital C. The base will rally around her and if MCcain wins she will blunt Hillary in 2012 or 2016. Palin will be the first woman president in AMerica. Her oldest served in Iraq. McCain's son served in Iraq chichhawk argument is done. Posted by: unseen at August 29, 2008 11:01 AM (mQauu) 72
I wouldn't expect McCain to govern as Reagan did, outside of national security. He may hold the line on taxes. I hope he does. But unless she goes wobbly on us, Palin is a great choice to elevate to the national stage. McCain may be imperfect, but he's done conservatives a favor in radically raising Palin's profile . . . on so many levels. Wisebud, the mainstream media have been searching for an unattractive picture, and couldn't find one so they're going to have to Photoshop it for "editorial clarity". Experience? McCain has the experience. Palin has the conservatism. If she's a good debater--something I don't know, but Biden isn't the best, either--she could turn out to be a brilliant pick. Palin is nothing but good for this ticket. I was going to hold my nose and vote for McCain in November. Now, I might actually not have to hold my nose when I pull the lever. And she's really cute. Sorry, but she is. McCain isn't. She really rounds out the ticket. Posted by: Medicinal at August 29, 2008 11:01 AM (jQS9X) 73
uh, Aaron? we're mostly pretty happy. some of us would be even more effusive, but we can't type as fast one-handed.
Posted by: Prufrock at August 29, 2008 11:01 AM (vISQb) Posted by: Nick at August 29, 2008 11:02 AM (+7oCm) Posted by: grc at August 29, 2008 11:02 AM (YleVG) Posted by: Some Dude at August 29, 2008 11:02 AM (eK8R5) 77
Ace commenters before Palin Pick:
"We want Palin, we want Palin, we want Palin!" Ace commenters after Palin Pick: "This is the worst VP pick in the history of mankind." Posted by: Lincoln at August 29, 2008 11:02 AM (GYHOH) 78
It is risky, but Palin seems to have lots of character.
Alaska is country unto its own with diverse geography and population, most of whom overwhelmingly support her I can't wait until she starts doing interviews and talks about getting up at 3 a.m. with her dad to track down moose. Ecofreaks and PETA will get taken to the woodshed by her. Lucky them! Posted by: Mr. Peabody at August 29, 2008 11:03 AM (EFQfG) 79
OK. And she's a conservative. I'll take whatever bone McCain is willing to throw the base ...and it ain't so bad to see she's an outdoor babe. And morons? - She's the governor of Alaska ...so, how long do you think before McCain flips on ANWR? ...and she's known in Alaska politics as Sarah Barracuda. Hmmmmmm....... Posted by: davis,br at August 29, 2008 11:03 AM (zewwG) 80
I wasn't coming around. And I still may not if McCain doesn't say some
shit about border enforcement. But it a lot more likely I can get
excited now.
You and me both. Posted by: grc at August 29, 2008 11:03 AM (YleVG) 81
Chickenhawk argument will never be done. Liberals will regurgitate that ad infinitum on issues of national security, holding it in front of them like some sort of magic talisman that trumps any argument or rationale and simply says you aren't entitle to say or do anything on issues of military force, because you haven't served. Or you only served in the reserves. Or you may have served for years but didn't actually see combat. See how that works? And when military people who served in combat come out an support the use of military force? The folks who scream "chickenhawk" then change to "warmonger". It's not because the issue (chickenhawkism) actually means anything, it's just that the ends justify the means of ending the debate, and achieving "peace in our time". Posted by: Medicinal at August 29, 2008 11:05 AM (jQS9X) 82
What's the over-under on whether someone on McCain's staff took some good advice from this moron-blog? I think it might just be true. Rock on, morons.
Posted by: sherlock at August 29, 2008 11:05 AM (h6sl7) Posted by: George Orwell at August 29, 2008 11:06 AM (AZGON) 84
CNN and MSNBC focusing on ethics investigation of Palin. Posted by: CJ at August 29, 2008 11:06 AM (9KqcB) 85
Bill Kristol sez it's Palin
Yeah, well, last week Bill Kristol said it was Old Man Winter. and we know how well that turned out... Posted by: OregonMuse at August 29, 2008 11:06 AM (FO+YO) 86
The big question is...do the pissed off Hillary women really round around a conservative, pro-life woman?
No. If she's pro-life, conservative, and a Republican, she's not a real woman. Posted by: toby hussein 928 at August 29, 2008 11:06 AM (evdj2) 87
I thought they were talking about Michael Palin.
Posted by: Tony B at August 29, 2008 11:06 AM (187Jq) 88
The inexperience is a big knock and legitimate to bring up as a criticism. Some of the guys at Powerline are iffy on her for the pick just because of that (this cycle, anyway). However, she'll be running for Veep and not actually President and how much can Obama really push that. Also, in no way can she be called another Dick Cheney. From what I've seen of her she is charming and feminine in a tomboyish sort of way. And while we all know who she is, the 80% of people who aren't into political blogs don't, so she's a fresh face. Posted by: Lee at August 29, 2008 11:07 AM (AFE7Q) 89
Y'know why she's known as Sarah Barracuda? It's a holdover from when she played basketball in high school, and scored the winning shot on a broken ankle. The woman is tough, tough tough. I think she's a brilliant pick. It's a good day to be a Republican. Posted by: Average Jen at August 29, 2008 11:08 AM (OINAg) 90
Schaaaaaaa....WINGGGGGG!!!!!
Nice one, Johnny boy. You have somewhat redeemed yourself in my eyes. You had my vote (meaningless as it is in my state) anyway, mainly because the alternative is sooo much worse, but at least now I will not even consider just staying home that day. Now don;t fuck this up, ya hear me? Posted by: wiserbud at August 29, 2008 11:08 AM (wWwJR) Posted by: Z Ryan at August 29, 2008 11:10 AM (PDeVA) 92
Posted by: galoob at August 29, 2008 10:53 AM (GFaLW) So, your complaint with her is that either as a mayor or a govenor she has infinitely more executive experience that the three others put together? Strange complaint for the president's backup. I can't wait to hear Dems attack her for lack of experience on anything. Posted by: TomJW at August 29, 2008 11:10 AM (xRCpL) Posted by: IreneFingIrene at August 29, 2008 11:10 AM (MFQJZ) 94
Nothing says hope/change like two Senate Democrats ripping a DC outsider as inexperienced. Posted by: Baron Von Ottomatic at August 29, 2008 11:11 AM (4ZOxD) 95
The inexperience is a big knock and legitimate to bring up as a criticism. Some of the guys at Powerline are iffy on her for the pick just because of that (this cycle, anyway). However, she'll be running for Veep and not actually President and how much can Obama really push that. I agree. They'll try to make the case, but the McCain camp should not change its approach one iota. Continue to mock Obama. Posted by: CJ at August 29, 2008 11:11 AM (9KqcB) Posted by: t.ferg at August 29, 2008 11:11 AM (2YVh7) 97
So on the Repub ticket the rookie is the understudy? Kind of makes the Dems look backwards doesn't it? Nope, the experience argument still plays - mayor and governor - actual executive jobs. John McCain ran a massive attack squadron with a multi-million $ budget. Obama ran for office. Biden ran his mouth. Posted by: Holdfast at August 29, 2008 11:11 AM (Gzb30) 98
yay for identity politics! Did you say that when Clarence Thomas was nominated for the bench? I don't mind picking ethnic and gender tokens, as long as they are *real* right-wing patriots and not RINOs, sell-outs, etc. Posted by: Curmudgeon at August 29, 2008 11:12 AM (ujg0T) 99
I sure do love the AP spin: She is three years Obama's junior, as well and McCain has made much in recent weeks of Obama's relative lack of experience in foreign policy and defense matters Well its a good thing that Palin isn't running for president like Obama is. Posted by: buzzion at August 29, 2008 11:13 AM (Lrsi6) 100
John McCain ran a massive attack squadron with a multi-million $ budget. Obama ran for office. Biden ran his mouth.
nice. Now you can add that Palin ran a city and then a state. Posted by: toby hussein 928 at August 29, 2008 11:14 AM (evdj2) 101
As someone who reads a lot of social con blogs, this pick is superb. A lot of folks assume that social conservatives would simply have fallen in line eventually - sorry, but no. I'm already seeing a ton of people who were on the fence now moving off of it. This was a great pick on many levels. For this first time in this campaign, I am actually excited.
Posted by: crankycon at August 29, 2008 11:14 AM (Nxezv) 102
I think they will stay as far away form the "experience" argument as possible. She is the second on the ticket and has just about as much experience (actually more, when you compare being a Governor to a Senator) than the guy at the top of their ticket.
I sincerely doubt they want to open themselves up for that comparison. That would be like Obama dissing McCain for how many years he's been in the Senate, right after choosing Biden to be his running mate, who has been there even longer. And he wouldn't be that dumb, would he? Washington's been talking about our oil addiction for the last thirty years, and John McCain has been there for twenty-six of them. Posted by: wiserbud at August 29, 2008 11:15 AM (IHbof) 103
The dems won't even have to go near the fact that she's a woman. They'll attack her on experience and her "extremist" positions. Of course they will. It'll mostly be the far-left that goes all misogynistic--Air America, political cartoonists, DailyKossacks and so on, but it will happen. If for no other reason than to make sure no more uppity Republican women try to break that glass ceiling and get out of the Democrat kitchen. Obama campaign, mainstream Democrats will stick to "extremist" positions. But the misogyny of the left will manifest, and with a great deal of enthusiasm. Just a few examples you'll see very near the mainstream: 1. Hmm. Cindy McCain is getting a little old. And that Palin is awfully cute. 2. Beautiful = stupid. 3. She's very photogenic, and that's why McCain picked her, not her policy experience. 4. Well, she's got the looks, but she don't got the smarts. 5. She used her looks to get ahead. They may be able to find some picture from some summer at the beach years ago where she was in a bikini, and get it out everywhere. This won't actually helpt them, but they'll do it. 6. She'll be the first VP where her desk is under the presidents! Ba-dum-dum! 7. Her selection is a failed attempt to get Hillary voters, and it won't work! It's a cynical gambit for the female vote! Thus, McCain thinks women are stupid and easily lead around. I think I've almost already heard that one. 8. Political cartoons where she's drawn out like a prostitute, stripper, something like that. 9. VPILF will make it into a liberal political cartoon. VPs Gone Wild. That kind of thing. Watch for it. Give me some time, I could think of some more. Posted by: Medicinal at August 29, 2008 11:15 AM (jQS9X) 104
Damn grc, I just crawled out of my bunk. Now it's bunk time again .
I may have to reconsider that Viagra scrip after all. Please don't link any pictures with her holding a rifle and posing with a large dead animal. Posted by: aubrey at August 29, 2008 11:17 AM (q/Z0+) 105
does she hurt with the "Obama is inexperienced" argument I honestly cannot fathom what you are smoking here, I do not understand. She is the VEE P pick, and she is about 10 times more experienced then their P pick... How does her 'inexperience' somehow detriment anything? Posted by: Entropy at August 29, 2008 11:17 AM (m6c4H) Posted by: LiveFreeOrDie at August 29, 2008 11:18 AM (ib9Bi) 107
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Stay classy ABC (pretty funny actually)
McCain Taps Alaska Governor Palin as Vice Presidential Running Mate Posted by: JAFKIAC at August 29, 2008 11:20 AM (HqtPo) 111
You can't get to her governor's website now but she has a pick with her standing on a dead deer or caribou or something with a rifle. As they say, bunk, but the Dems will pick that up for their 2 minute hate. Posted by: blaster at August 29, 2008 11:20 AM (BiphJ) 112
the Republican transformation into Democrat-Lite is now complete.
You obviously know absolutely nothing about Palin, based on this ignorant remark. She's more conservative than McCain and this sets her up to run in 2012 or 2016, bring the party back to the right. Or do you just have a problem with the f act that she's a woman and women should not be let out of the kitchen? Posted by: wiserbud at August 29, 2008 11:20 AM (wWwJR) Posted by: Veeshir at August 29, 2008 11:21 AM (ThMnZ) 114
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When are these Republicans going to stop with these "showcase appointments" and show some diversity like us Democrats do. We have the first half black nominee in history, we think. Well the first one that looks black and not white anyway.
Women are so yesterday. Posted by: Chris Matthews at August 29, 2008 11:23 AM (Q1lie) 118
From the ABC article . . . Liberman and Ridge were considered strong possibilities Liberman? Was thata Freudian slip? Posted by: Medicinal at August 29, 2008 11:23 AM (jQS9X) 119
Sarah loves hunting! Sarah loves fishing! Sarah loves hogs! Sarah loves Vets! Uh oh. Sarah loves Scandis! Posted by: grc at August 29, 2008 11:25 AM (YleVG) 120
"The big question is...do the pissed off Hillary women really (sic) round around a conservative, pro-life woman?" NO However, can we reverse the ticket and put her up as Pres instead of McLame? The idea of her on top has always intrigued me. ;-) Posted by: chuck in st paul at August 29, 2008 11:25 AM (jDpso) 121
#107 Medicinal: My point exactly. I was responding to those who think that choosing her is Democrat Lite identity politics. It's not "identity politics" when the candidate selected is a real Republican. What the heck was wrong with Pawlenty or Romney? Or if he wanted a woman, Kay Bailey Hutchinson? A bit too waffling, especially Kay Bailey. Although I did like Pawlenty and Romney.
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Ya know what's funny? Watching the Mobys in this thread try to derail the excitement over this pick. Posted by: Hermit Dave at August 29, 2008 11:28 AM (WhFvm) 123
Medicinal - yeah, but it's pretty clear her husband could kick John McCain's ass. Interesting question - how will her husband factor into the campagn? She's obviously not the first woman politician to run as VP, but she is married to a very photogenic "regular guy", who is bluntly a lot better looking than McCain, Obama or Biden. How much will the campaign use him. Also, now both members of the GOP ticket have kids who have served or will serve in Iraq. At worst that neutralizes the issue (Biden't son) - at best it is an advantage but I don't think a pissing contest on this point makes anyone look good. Still this is a MOM sending her son off to war. Posted by: Holdfast at August 29, 2008 11:28 AM (Gzb30) 124
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The end. Great pick, and great timing, and great on issues. Plus, more executive experience than either Joe Biden or Barack Obama. Posted by: Francase at August 29, 2008 11:30 AM (ACi4q) 125
Say what you will about McCain, but his campaign is on fire. Whoever is calling the shots is doing a great job of sucking the wind out of Obama's coronation and playing him for the fool he is.
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Granted, I'm a conservative, pro-life woman, but I now have a girl crush:
On April 18, 2008, Palin gave birth to her second son, Trig Paxson Van Palin, who has Down syndrome. She returned to the office three days after giving birth. Palin refused to let the results of prenatal genetic testing change her decision to have the baby. "I'm looking at him right now, and I see perfection," Palin said. "Yeah, he has an extra chromosome. I keep thinking, in our world, what is normal and what is perfect?" Posted by: Scout at August 29, 2008 11:31 AM (h/4DY) 127
Well stunned again. I do have to say though that I find it amazing that both Obama and McCain allowed so much outside to affect their vp picks.
She is a good pick though. Alaska is her only real knock. The inexperience angle, it actually helps. McCain has basically shown where a candidate of Obama's stature belongs on a national ticket. Plus Biden's attacks just went out the window. He cuts too hard and the PUMAS will run for the hills. This might night change any votes but it does force them to be gentlemanly, think GWB in 1984 with Ferraro. All the pressure in the VP debate is on Biden now, after all he should be able to beat a little girl right? Small town mayor, more executive experience ya mean? Go with that angle Dems, that will help in Ohio, Pennsylvaine, Indiana, Michigan and Virginia. This would not have been my pick, but it's not a bad pick. Posted by: Rocks at August 29, 2008 11:31 AM (Q1lie) 128
governor of our 56th state, if I recall correctly Posted by: lukemcgook at August 29, 2008 11:31 AM (1hkXr) 129
Okay. Let's say I do pull the lever for the Republicans this time. I can always say I was voting for her, right? Posted by: blaster at August 29, 2008 11:38 AM (BiphJ) Posted by: PoconoJoe at August 29, 2008 11:40 AM (hJF+S) 131
This seals it for me. Palin is more conservative than me, but I'll admit that I'm not above a little bit of identity politics (I'm a girl, clinging to my share of guns). I align more with McCain, but am fine with a more conservative VP. Smaller government with less corruption is a bigger issue for me than being pro-choice/pro-life. I think she walks the walk. This rocks!
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I can't wait for the Executive Calendar to come out, with Palin in a bikini and (much less anticipated) McCain in a speedo. It'll be an cornucopia for the eyes.
Posted by: jazz at August 29, 2008 11:43 AM (sUWlR) 133
Ya know what's funny? Watching the Mobys in this thread try to derail the excitement over this pick. If you want to be excited, be excited. But the pick is, imo, a wash. It rallies the base while pushing away the PUMAs. Posted by: TiredWench at August 29, 2008 11:44 AM (Kx1hM) 134
while pushing away the PUMAs.
Meh. The PUMAs were never going to be attracted to McCain, just repelled by Obama. If they just sit it out, its good enough. Posted by: number of ejaculations? they haven't stopped at August 29, 2008 11:45 AM (evdj2) 135
dammit
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You better believe the sexism will be hardcore. It'll be worse than being a black republican under discussion at the NAACP.
She's been going head to head with corrupt Alaskan pols, trying to clean up AK politics. You can bet your britches that she understands damn well that the sexism will be hardcore. Not to mention the inevitable "gender-traitor" rhetoric from the radical fems. And she's still tough enough to accept the VP candidacy. That speaks volumes. At this rate, I'm gonna have calluses on my wanker by Labor Day. Posted by: IllTemperedCur at August 29, 2008 11:48 AM (UNeGp) 137
Smaller government with less corruption is a bigger issue for me than being pro-choice/pro-life.
Smaller government and less taxes indeed! Posted by: grc at August 29, 2008 11:49 AM (YleVG) 138
At this rate, I'm gonna have calluses on my wanker by Labor Day.
Worse, by California Statehood Day (9/10), it falls off. Posted by: grc at August 29, 2008 11:52 AM (YleVG) 139
Whoops! Make that 9/9.
Posted by: grc at August 29, 2008 11:53 AM (YleVG) 140
The PUMAs were never going to be attracted to McCain, just repelled by Obama. If they just sit it out, its good enough. True enough. I may have to revise my opinion about the PUMAs, though. Just went to their board and they're pretty happy he picked a woman. Doubt it'll hold over time, but I guess we'll see. Posted by: TiredWench at August 29, 2008 11:57 AM (Kx1hM) 141
What did I win!?! I'll tell you what I won, I won a ticket I can proudly run bumper stickers for! I won a ticket I can laugh and brag about!
MaCain you wonderful Bastard! You read his BOOK!! Posted by: bcismar at August 29, 2008 12:02 PM (zhVlW) 142
Well, if anything, this pick completely steals the news cycle from the democrats right at the height of the nomination process. The media debate now shifts from "how great was that awards show in denver?" to "shit, how can we keep Biden and the nutroots from going into full on batshit misogyny mode."
Brilliant move. Palin/Jindal 2012 Posted by: Hadlowe at August 29, 2008 12:09 PM (YxYxm) 143
this may have been hashed over before, but does anyone know how Biden got out of serving in Vietnam?
Posted by: Sean at August 29, 2008 12:15 PM (3LifV) 144
Sean, Joe Biden received a medical deferment.
Posted by: ▄█▀ █■█ █ █▄ █▄ at August 29, 2008 12:23 PM (8jYMc) 145
Now this should be live blogged
Posted by: BearMtnBob at August 29, 2008 12:27 PM (FaL0O) 146
Watching Sarah Palin on Fox right now being introduced. All I can think of is, This is what hope and change looks like. Screw you Barack Hussein Obama!
Posted by: sirsurfalot at August 29, 2008 12:31 PM (Czvjx) 147
HOLY MOTHERFUCKING SHIT I just woke up, and find that he actually picked Palin. I am pleased. I thought it would almost certainly be Pawlenty, a safe, logical choice. How the hell he managed to keep this under wraps I don't know- he had everyone fooled. Well played, Mr. McCain, well played. Posted by: Hollowpoint at August 29, 2008 12:42 PM (gHv/5) 148
I believe any doubts about her speaking ability should be hereby put to bed. Did I say bed? I'll be in my bunk.
Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at August 29, 2008 12:43 PM (wgLRl) 149
5. She used her looks to get ahead. They may be able to find some picture from some summer at the beach years ago where she was in a bikini, and get it out everywhere. This won't actually helpt them, but they'll do it. Medicinal at August 29, 2008 11:15 AM (jQS9X)
It would sure help us morons. Posted by: DRP VIII at August 29, 2008 12:44 PM (4XUD3) 150
Obama is actually coming up against a person who is a minority, but hasn't been emasculated and retarded by affirmative action.
No wonder the leftist white media is falling all over themselves. Their puppet's only hope has just been neutralized, and now he has to actually do and say something intelligent rather than recite, "I'm black! I'm black! I'M BLACK!" over and over and over again. Posted by: North Dallas Thirty at August 29, 2008 12:49 PM (E3Yxq) 151
governor of our 56th state, if I recall correctly
No, the 59th. Maybe I'm pedantic. Obama said 57 states in his misstatement, but the full statement was he'd visited 57 states and had one to go plus Alaska and Hawaii. The misstatement talks of 60 states. Posted by: DSkinner at August 29, 2008 12:50 PM (tyTPa) 152
Man the dummy McCain continues to disappoint me. What an idiotic choice! This women does NOT have any of qualifications to be VP or potentially the PRESIDENT of the United States of America (has anyone noticed how old McGeezer is?; a hot-airhead like Palin has excellent chance of becoming President if McCain wins). For God's sake she's got a journalism degree!!? I can't think of a group dumber airheads than the idiots we see everyday on MSNBC or CNN (who have journalism degrees). She's also a hothead wacko maverick, where's the balance in this ticket? What the Hell does she know about Geopolitics, the US economy, etc. McCain may have a good soul and heart but he's mentally weak (almost as stupid as GWBush). It make me sick to watch the Greatest country in the world (America) get weaker and weaker, because the republican base and establishment is too stupid pick qualified, competent leadership. We need leaders that can outthink potential adversaries, not priveleged shoot-from-hip loudmouth Jocks and Prom Queens like McCain & Palin, whose every move can be predicted by America's enemies.
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Team McCain is running a pretty decent campaign with a few brilliant strokes right now. The Palin pick? At the most cynical level, it's a terrific political choice on the eve of Team Obama's dissing of Hillary! and PUMAs. Is Palin a superficially political choice alone to capitalize on the DNC's internal squabble? Is it purely identity politics? Will moderate liberals really abandon the philosophical Left for Palin just because she has X-chromosomes inspite of her strong conservatism? In that regard, it's a very interesting choice with some risks depending on the spin... and boy will it be spun. The MSM will surely be engaging the hyperdrive.
The upside? Palin actually does engage disgruntled women moderates. The pick's timing kneecaps the DNC's post convention celebration. A conservative is added to the ticket, and she surely speaks to the conservative side. That's a real boost for Team McCain. The downside? Will she exhibit adequate experience, the hammer McCain has had to bludgeon Team Obama? Structurally, the GOP ticket is traditional and balanced, which is an edge. An old hand tops the ticket with a relative understudy at the side. A relative RINO is enhanced buttressed by an apparently real conservative. Compared to the Donks who have an inverted ticket with Left and Lefter? Political and demographic edge to the GOP. All in all, a decent choice. It wasn't my top choice but I surely understand why McCain opted for Palin. This will give the MSM conniption fits, too, which is always a bonus since it unbalances its memes. Her introduction was excellent and her record, while relatively short, looks sound in that she covered quite a few bases and kept to her conservative roots. The Democrats should be a bit unnerved. The NYT and MSNBC? Keep the defibrillators charged. Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at August 29, 2008 01:08 PM (sI5Ho) 156
Amazing.
I'd only really heard any talk about her on the blogs, and especially in the comments. What a smart, daring pick by the McCain team. Posted by: brak at August 29, 2008 01:26 PM (y69VL) 157
Yes! Not only is Palin the choice, but Ace introduces her with an "It's..." Perfect. Perfect. Team Obama/MSM don't realize it yet, but this is a kidney punch that's gonna have them staggering all through October. Posted by: EnochF at August 29, 2008 01:52 PM (VXm6y) Posted by: Mitt Romney at August 29, 2008 10:53 PM (TvdUH) 159
Flawless Victory.
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This VP choice is NOT a case of pandering identity politics. This is John McCain picking someone with PROVEN character, intelligence, competence, integrity, dynamism, leadership and chutzpah. Those are the things that are most important for a leader, and they cannot be learned on the job--either you have 'em or you don't. Sarah Palin's got 'em. People like that are exceedingly rare in American public office. John McCain had the good sense to spot her and get her on board! I could not be happier with this choice. McCain/Palin '08!
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