VP tea-leaves [someone]

OK, I sent this to Ace hours ago, but he probably won't wake up before the official Veep announcement anyway.

So... Is this something? It's going around the blog rumor mills.

Consider this your moment of hope before Maverick crushes it by picking Lincoln Chafee or something.

Update [Slublog] - Hot Air says CNBC and the Chicago Tribune are both reporting it's Palin.

Posted by: Open Blog at 05:23 AM

Comments

Heart be still!

Morons for MILF's

God Bless you Karl, I guess my tin hat still works!

Posted by: kempermanx at August 29, 2008 05:35 AM (2+9Yx)

2 God, if only he would pick Palin.

Posted by: Rick In Mass at August 29, 2008 05:59 AM (3MA2U)

I hope so. Sure, she doesn't have a lot of exec experience, but she has more than Biden, Obama, and McCain.

Tina Fey will have to do lots of guest shots on SNL.

Posted by: Bad Penny at August 29, 2008 06:18 AM (xvz2V)

4 Aside from the prima facia MILF deal, everyone seems to be high on our Governor from AK. I better read up on her....

Wait a sec..... What if it's TED STEVENS on the plane????!!!!!

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 29, 2008 06:20 AM (np0pW)

5 ooooooooooooooooohhhh my hopes are up!

How shitty it's gonna be when they are dashed. I mean, people fly to Alaska all the time.

Palin is under a BS investigation. Mccain knows a lot about bullshit investigastions, having been extremely honorably, yet faced with that Keating 5 crap. I thought the investigation alone would be enough to screw us out of her services as VP. Perhaps not.

She's only slightly behind George W Bush in experience. Don't let anyone tell you different. She's got time to learn the job, too. She's got time to pick up a bully pulpit about what it means to be a woman, a mother, a leader on energy, and a Republican fighting an era of pork shovelling Republicans.

She can help lead us to a new 1994, if we let her. I think fighting pork could be her big thing. What do people usually attack pork fighters with? oh the poor children with diseases! Well, this lady has kids aplenty, and bad luck aplenty. She can face that shit and tell them it's much more important that our money not inflate ridiculously thanks to government debt (inflation is the true tax increase of an Obama presidency, by the way).

I know she's only been an executive for a few years, but they've been good years, and she's got a lot of good things to say. She's an honest to goodness conservative, and part of the problem with the GOP is that they haven't done a good job cultivating new leaders. This is how it's done. Bush's cabinet is hated because Bush hasn't communicated well enough to overcome media bias (I know it's a tough task, but that's his bully pulpit and he let us down). Now, we've got Cheney as the executive with experience, and an assload of young governors.

Mccain needs to start building up his cabinet in ways that make their holders well respected. Giuliani busting the hell out of Chicago political corruption and voter fraud. Romney or some great CEO running a treasury and talking about our economy in a way that Olbermann can't ignore. And a VP that in 8 years looks like a real leader.

Like I said, I have high hopes, and Mccain has let me down before, but seems to be on the right track lately. If he is ballsy enough to pick Palin, ooo man, will I be a happy little shill.

Posted by: ▄█▀ █■█ █ █▄ █▄ at August 29, 2008 06:26 AM (8jYMc)

After weeks of the Romney/Pawlenty/Lieberman talk, isn't this a remarkably refreshing possibility to awaken to? I hope it's true.

By the way, the flight is into Middletown, halfway between Dayton and Cincinnati. Perhaps the kind of place you might fly to if you didn't want to be noticed in the Dayton or Greater Cincinnati International Airports.

Posted by: NCC at August 29, 2008 06:30 AM (8nB5X)

Anybody know when McCain is supposed to announce their pick?

Posted by: Bad Penny at August 29, 2008 06:34 AM (xvz2V)

8 Seems to be picking up steam:

http://www.volkskrantblog.nl/bericht/218065

http://www.hyscience.com/archives/2008/08/where_is_sarah.php

http://theanchoressonline.com/2008/08/29/palin-or-pawlenty/

It'd be okay with me.

Posted by: Thea at August 29, 2008 06:40 AM (N0hv7)

9 I Pray this is true. I believe the election will be a decisive victory for the GOP if Sarah is the pick.

Posted by: Nostradamus at August 29, 2008 06:45 AM (JpbOb)

10 Oh, lord, please let this be true!

But it's probably just an executive's fishing trip...

Posted by: Darkpixel at August 29, 2008 06:51 AM (czFIF)

11 Oh please, oh please, oh please......

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 29, 2008 06:54 AM (np0pW)

12 Why would you go from AK to MN for fishing? That's like traveling from Georgia to Tennessee for grits.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 29, 2008 06:56 AM (np0pW)

Ted Steven Zombie. I never thought of it! Genius. Bring back the greats for a zombie allstar Cabinet.

j/k. Cool man. I mean like they had to add some new blood to the ticket to match Obama's age and generation. She's going to be cool with it, man.

(just practicing my Palinspeak. Cool?)

Posted by: pc at August 29, 2008 06:59 AM (S7zPk)

14 Why would you go from AK to MN for fishing? That's like traveling from Georgia to Tennessee for grits.

More like traveling from Osaka to Los Angeles for sushi.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at August 29, 2008 07:01 AM (ItxWA)

15 Oh and get ready to learn all about those damn beetles in the Denali. That's the bad part of picking Palin. This climate debate is going to get flogged hard by the left. Shaping up to be a nice war. I guess it's good to get a front line player if you plan to engage the enemy.

Posted by: pc at August 29, 2008 07:02 AM (S7zPk)

16 Mccain is obviously running a false flag of some kind. If it weren't Palin, wouldn't Mccain at least feign that she was a possibility? She would be listed as one of the majors. That she isn't is evidence that he sees this as a media surprise and wants to milk it.

And it's apparently John Mccain's birthday. I'll be sending him a monetary gift if he picks Sarah.

And if it is Palin, then Pawlenty has earned a lot of respect for playing along. Mitt apparently isn't the guy, and that explains most of Pawlenty's rise yesterday on InTrade.

Posted by: ▄█▀ █■█ █ █▄ █▄ at August 29, 2008 07:03 AM (8jYMc)

17 Palin has more experience than Obama, particularly as an executive. Not only that, but she has run a family at the same time.

It will be fun for Obamatons to remark that her experience, superior to Obama's, is somehow less worthy. Biden won't be able to resist. He's never been an executive, but will try to tell us that this woman is inferior. Won't be hard to argue that the dems are starting to develop a habit of ignoring the experience of women. And Hillary can't possibly be as appealing to moms as Palin is. Palin is a real mother, who looks like a real person. She talks in a normal voice, and didn't stay with her lech of a husband for her career gain.

Lots of moms are pro-life or agnostic on the issue. All moms have at least a secret reservation about killing fetuses. Palin is a conservative, but we've got a moderate helming the ticket.

They will call her a token. Like Condi, Colin, Clarence, Alberto, and onward. At some point, the dems will have to admit that minorities and women simply gain far more power in GOP administrations.

Posted by: ▄█▀ █■█ █ █▄ █▄ at August 29, 2008 07:10 AM (8jYMc)

18 Didn't Elvis gas up his 707 to go from Graceland to Vegas for PB and J sammies??

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 29, 2008 07:17 AM (np0pW)

Fox just said that Romney and Huckabee will be there when McCain announces the pick. I'm picturing it like a reality show finish when they drag it out and make everybody suffer.

"For my Vice President I have chosen a fine candidate, a candidate with the experience and blah blah to do the job, a candidate who we will meet... right after this commercial..."

Posted by: Bad Penny at August 29, 2008 07:18 AM (xvz2V)

20 OT:

Nooooooooooooooo!

Val-U-Rite spill in Sunnyvale, CA

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at August 29, 2008 07:19 AM (ItxWA)

21 Maybe it'll be like a beauty contest and he'll start by announcing the 3rd runner up?

Posted by: fredras at August 29, 2008 07:32 AM (1OMSg)

22 fredas, yeah, it's pretty unpresidential to play this game, but that's what the idiots watching TV like to watch. Mccain is keeping his campaign interesting an on target.

Posted by: ▄█▀ █■█ █ █▄ █▄ at August 29, 2008 07:37 AM (8jYMc)

Imagine the gaffes that would come out of Joe Biden's big mouth in a debate with Palin. If it's Palin, I bet that's part of why.

Posted by: Bad Penny at August 29, 2008 07:38 AM (xvz2V)

24 It's Palin!!! Her plane landed in the state last night.

MILF! MILF! MILF!

Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at August 29, 2008 07:55 AM (VmCok)

I hate to give in to getting my hopes up, but in looking for more bio info on Palin I found this on Wikipedia:

Palin has been rumored as a candidate for the vice-presidency with Republican presumptive nominee Senator John McCain in the 2008 election.^[55]^[56] Due to her gender, youth, background in government reform, pro-life stance, fiscal and social conservatism, and an approval rating in Alaska generally in the range of 80 to 90 percent, Palin could become the second female vice-presidential nominee of a major party. Palin is supported by a community of online groups.^[57]^[57]^[58]^[59]^[60]^[61]

On Friday, August 29, Fox & Friends reported that Palin's family departed hastily from Anchorage, Alaska aboard a Gulfstream jet that landed near Dayton, Ohio, site of McCain's planned vice presidential announcement. They cited the website Change&Experience.com, which also had correctly leaked travel details for Sen. Joseph Biden to Springfield, Illinois for Barack Obama's announcement.^[62]

Posted by: John at August 29, 2008 07:59 AM (nAxsL)

Ok, normally I hate identity politics but check out this part of Palin's bio on her husband:

Todd is a Native Yup'ik Eskimo.

Holy crap! A conservative female guv, married to an Eskimo?!? YES!!!!

Ok, back to searching for more on her...

Posted by: John at August 29, 2008 08:03 AM (nAxsL)

27 John, I'm so full of hope, I am sweating little Obamas.

Mccain played up Leiberman, Pawlenty, and Romney. That's extremely odd because he should at least have pretended to consider a woman to try to get a few Hillary voters. The only way that makes sense along with Palin being prominent at the announcement with the other hopefuls is if she's the pick. It's insane otherwise. Why have her as a hopeful and not advertise it?

It's Palin. Thank God.

Posted by: ▄█▀ █■█ █ █▄ █▄ at August 29, 2008 08:05 AM (8jYMc)

OMG it gets even better with her kids:

On September 11, 2007, the Palins' son Track joined the Army. Eighteen years old at the time, he is the eldest of Palin's five children.^[10] Track now serves in an infantry brigade, and will be deployed to Iraq in September. She also has three daughters, Bristol, 17, Willow, 13, and Piper, 7.^[11] On April 18, 2008, Palin gave birth to her second son, Trig Paxson Van Palin, who has Down syndrome.^[12] (Sarah returned to the office three days after giving birth.^[13]) Palin refused to let the results of pre-natal genetic testing change her decision to have the baby. "I'm looking at him right now, and I see perfection," Palin said. "Yeah, he has an extra chromosome. I keep thinking, in our world, what is normal and what is perfect?"

Beats me how she'd be as Veep but her personal info is like a dream for any political party! Damn, maybe this is one time the Maverick did something...er, mavericky and it's a GOOD thing!

Posted by: John at August 29, 2008 08:07 AM (nAxsL)

29 Wow, the more I read about her fighting GOP corruption in Alaska and killing pork projects, the more I like this gal!

Posted by: John at August 29, 2008 08:10 AM (nAxsL)

30 If it is Palin It would be a horrible mistake. Besides being a woman, she brings nothing to the table. The GOP and McCain already took ANWR away, her corporate tax and free money giveaways mirror Obama's, she has shown nothing but contempt for the oil industry, she's mired in an abuse of power investigation and to top it off, she's an absolute horrendous public speaker.
Why McCain do it?

Posted by: lowandslow at August 29, 2008 08:11 AM (0CotU)

31 I have a hard time understanding how Hillary's very liberal women are going to come running to an anit-abortion, very conservative woman just because she's a woman. Palin seems pretty good but I wouldn't count on the sisterhood of the traveling pants suit to flock to McCain just because his VP is a woman who represents nothing they want. She brings a lot to the table, Hillary voters aren't one of them.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 29, 2008 08:11 AM (VBon8)

32 Why McCain do it?

Why would McCain do it?

Posted by: lowandslow at August 29, 2008 08:13 AM (0CotU)

33 On the plus side for Palin, is that her anti-corruption efforts in Alaska have largely been directed at the Alaskan Republican establishment, which should appeal to Maverick's mavericky maverickness.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at August 29, 2008 08:14 AM (ItxWA)

34 she's an absolute horrendous public speaker

That never stopped Dubya.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at August 29, 2008 08:16 AM (ItxWA)

Palin is the best choice without doubt. She is sharp, experienced (more than the guy on the top of the Dem ticket anyway) and, this is a plus let me tell you, hot.

She will seal the deal with many Hillary gals who are thinking of voting for McCain AND despite her relative inexperience I think she can hold her own against Biden in a debate since he has the added challenge of making her look bad without looking like he is picking on a woman - ahhhh, identity politics turned against the inventors of identity politics - love that irony.

Another idea would be to bring Romney there and announce he is going to fill some top-level post in a McCain Administration. Commerce or some other business-oriented post.

A double-whammy!!

Ohhhh, Fox just said Romney is NOT the VP choice.

PALIN for the WIN!!!

Posted by: TRO at August 29, 2008 08:17 AM (YPe8Y)

36 Romney's out. Looks like its Palin.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 29, 2008 08:17 AM (VBon8)

37 Jackstraw, you are assuming every Hillary voter are hyper liberal. They aren't. Some of them are agnostic on life issues. Especially those waffling on Obama.

Some women actually just want a woman. Some want to see someone they can identify with (and this is a nice normal woman with a large family she takes great care of and a son in the military).

I think you're wrong that she won't ply voters. Plus, she solidifies Mccain with the base and the evangelicals. Better than Pawlenty in this regard.

lowandslow, she's a great speaker. What are you talking about? Check out youtube! And don't be silly... this means Mccain is flipping on ANWR. I don't have any idea what you are talking about with corporate giveaways. What corporate giveaways is Obama in favor of? Alaska oil distro policy is not a liberal giveaway... it's the opposite, really. It's not wealth redistribution or anything liberal, for God's sake. She's a fighter of pork, not a giver of it. She's awesome on fighting corruption. She is the opposite of some Chicago asshole. You aren't making any damn sense!

Posted by: ▄█▀ █■█ █ █▄ █▄ at August 29, 2008 08:19 AM (8jYMc)

Palin could be anything, but this I know.

Alaska is a Red state- Michigan is not.

Unless Palin is Ronald Reagan in a dress, this is a sketchy move tactically in a very close election.

Posted by: jjshaka at August 29, 2008 08:20 AM (wOVYM)

39 Look, I don't mean to be too much of a shill here. She is inexperienced compared to Mccain and Biden. She's also being chosen because she's hotter than Hutchinson... more interesting, things like that (stuff I dislike the left for). There's plenty to be irritated about. She's not moderate socially, for example.

But she is a pretty damn good speaker, and she's certainly not a mirror of Obama. She provides some shield to his inexperience, perhaps, but I bet the dems make such an issue of her experience that it winds up backfiring. Dems HATE women and minority republicans. They will not be able to restrain themselves.

This is probably a huge factor in Mccain's congratulation advertisement yesterday. The dems are too stupid to do the same for Palin.

Posted by: ▄█▀ █■█ █ █▄ █▄ at August 29, 2008 08:22 AM (8jYMc)

40 If this is true, its Romney, and not Palin (from Ambinder):

Here's a rush transcript of what McCain communications chief Jill Hazelbaker told the Early Show's Maggie Rodriguez:

Ms. HAZELBAKER: Well, I know that John McCain is going to make the choice from his heart. He's going to choose someone who can be a partner in governing. He's going to choose someone who brings character and principle to the table and who shares his priorities and I'm confident that he's going to make a great pick

Posted by: ParisParamus at August 29, 2008 08:23 AM (KSF7K)

41 Please, oh god, please, please let it be true!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Clancy at August 29, 2008 08:24 AM (X+xFB)

42 whoo hoo-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_vaH2BjVeA

Posted by: republicangirl at August 29, 2008 08:24 AM (kLKnf)

43 Posted by: republicangirl at August 29, 2008 08:24 AM (kLKnf)

Palin shooting M4s in the combat simulator....mmmmm

Bunk.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at August 29, 2008 08:30 AM (ItxWA)

44 FOX has confirmed info that Romney and Pawlenty are out. Drudge has a McCain/Palin button at the front page!

Sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet!

Posted by: spenn at August 29, 2008 08:31 AM (QIfim)

45 Palin would complete McCain's picture perfect ticket.

How would Palin bring less to the presidency than Quayle did?

Palin carries more experience than Obama.

God forbid a tragedy, I'm willing to bet that Palin has every bit what it takes to be a good president, particularly given a great cabinet to draw upon, McCain's bane as well on conservative domestic issues.

Anyway, if it's Palin, hip-hip-hurrah!

Posted by: I'm not Obama's granny at August 29, 2008 08:33 AM (F1b/5)

46 I think this would be the wrong pick. If we win she will be the presumptive nominee for President in 2016. As ironic as it is, I don't think the office of VP is the proper training ground to become President especially with a McCain administration. She will probably be delegated to decorating the White House and only as a co-chair with Cindy.

Posted by: polynikes at August 29, 2008 08:39 AM (m2CN7)

47 My Alaska resident, card-carrying Democrat brother spoke of Governor Palin being on the short list several weeks ago..............and he LIKES her!!! AND voted for her in 06 election!!!! This would be a good think for Repubs, as long as McCain doesn't do something stoopid at the last minute and sneak Lieberman in under the wire.

Posted by: true_texan at August 29, 2008 08:40 AM (h6qju)

48 No Romney.. i hope to God it wasn't because he has too many houses. WTF is wrong with this country if we start punishing success?

Posted by: IreneFingIrene at August 29, 2008 08:40 AM (MFQJZ)

49 jjshaka, would you vote for Obama if he were from your state?

Would you even care? This isn't that age where we know our state's politicians super well. In this age, voters can learn about politicians too rapidly for home state advantage to be real. Al Gore lost Tennessee, for example.

Each candidate has to fulfill a clear narrative. Obama is Change, Mccain has the Experience and Devotion to Lead. Biden is the working man's foreign policy wonk. Palin is a smart corruption fighting mom.

It resonates in Texas more than New York, but these days, we get to know, love or hate, each of these guys and I don't think we see them as more or less of us based on where they are from. Obama seems to agree, picking a Deleware man.

I think the truth is in the middle. Pawlenty could have helped in some close states, but he'd have to compete with a powerful narrative on the other side. The press likes to talk about Obama. They will love talking about Palin. This helps Mccain stay relevant in a close election in a media climate where Bush, a fucking great president, is hated thanks to a propaganda machine we've never seen before.

I read an AP story that said "Mccain stands in the way of Obama's historic achievement", that being a black president. Palin too would be historic. Not as historic, but enough to even the stakes somewhat in the hearts of many who don't want Obama because he's got so many questionable associations,etc. Some people want to vote for this vague idea of progress. TV shows love women and black presidents because we kinda want that to happen. Mccain evens up a bit on that, which will help get people judging the tickets on the merits. And I think he wins greatly on the merits.

But I am in the tank for Palin.

Posted by: ▄█▀ █■█ █ █▄ █▄ at August 29, 2008 08:43 AM (8jYMc)

Just announced on CNN - McCain picks Jesse Jackson as his VP.

shared ideology, commitment to underserved constituents, yadda yadda

Posted by: dusty at August 29, 2008 08:43 AM (w0NJA)

51 >>Jackstraw, you are assuming every Hillary voter are hyper liberal. They aren't.

No, I'm assuming the Hillary voters who are threatening to sit out are hyper liberal and hyper committed to Hillary. They are. Take a look at the leader of HillPAC and the rest of the leadership of the traveling pants suit. Palin lines up with the issues of these women exactly nowhere.

Might she get a few? Sure. McCain was going to get a few anyway. But this is not like Obama getting 98% of the black vote despite the issues.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 29, 2008 08:47 AM (VBon8)

52 Irene, Romney is a flipper. He's insulted Reagan. Give me a break. Not choosing him does not automatically mean we don't like rich people.

Polynikes, if Mccain is stupid enough to not use Palin, then that will indeed be an injustice. But I don't think that's his idea. We will have a tight senate, and we need to fight corruption in the senate. Palin would be president of the senate. I think she would be used to fight corruption and pork. If she wasn't used, then Mccain is a fucking tool.

And frankly, she's done a damn good job as Governor, and would be as able a president as Romney, partly because her moral compass doesn't have a weathervane on it.

Posted by: ▄█▀ █■█ █ █▄ █▄ at August 29, 2008 08:47 AM (8jYMc)

If it truly is Palin, the sound you will hear is a million dicks across the country getting hard.

Posted by: EC at August 29, 2008 08:52 AM (mAhn3)

54 I like Palin but I think she is too young. What's with all the funny names for her kids? I do think she looks cute walking around with that baby tied to her chest. I think she is sending the message that he isn't going to be hidden away.

Posted by: grc at August 29, 2008 08:53 AM (YleVG)

55 Jackstraw, I honestly think you have a point, but there are a lot of women who want an excuse to fuck with Obama. Sure, this is a pro-lifer, but I really think there's more to it than that.

And I also think, PUMA or not, there are many women out there who are wavering between Obama and Mccain. I haven't worked on a major political campaign for a very long time, and I'm not even close to an expert, but my gut says that this will bring a lot of women into Mccain's side (for stupid ID politics reasons, but their votes count the same).

Mccain has the white dudes. He only needs to pick up so many people in a few states and he's got a lock. I think if he gets 10 % more of the women, it will be like 1984's landslide.

Posted by: ▄█▀ █■█ █ █▄ █▄ at August 29, 2008 08:54 AM (8jYMc)

Re: Experience

I would rather have Palin as President than Obama or Joe (32 years of bloviation) Biden.

I tend to think this campaign may to some extent mirror 1988, when the debate on qualification seemed between the GOP veep candidate and the Democratic presidential candidate. McCain can't lose in that situation.

Posted by: NCC at August 29, 2008 08:55 AM (8nB5X)

57 One thing McCain better not do which he has done before, is fucking bash America or the American people. Don't tell us we have to work harder/do better when you don't know jack about what we are already doing. I hate that shit. It's donkish and insulting.

Posted by: grc at August 29, 2008 08:55 AM (YleVG)

Palin would be a great pick, I think a very hefty percentage of Hilllary voters were only interested in the fact that she is (allegedly) a woman. I think McCain wins now even more than I did before.

The only reason I thought Palin wouldn't be the pick is if she opted out because of her Downe-syndrome son. Caring for him would have to be time consuming. But not having any kids myself, I really don't know what I'm talking about.

Posted by: JohnW at August 29, 2008 08:57 AM (VwyXH)

moral compass doesn't have a weathervane on it.

That's rich questioning Romney's moral values.

Posted by: polynikes at August 29, 2008 08:57 AM (m2CN7)

60 You mean we might have the first-ever vice-president I'd hit?

Posted by: Reb'M Al at August 29, 2008 08:59 AM (C1QhE)

Hey, COLD WATER.

Went back to sleep and thought, wait a damn minute, isn't the GOVERNOR'S Mansion in Juneau?

It is, so why would she be flying from Anchorage?

I fear a wild goose chase here.

Damn it.

Posted by: kempermanx at August 29, 2008 08:59 AM (2+9Yx)

62 >>Sure, this is a pro-lifer, but I really think there's more to it than that.

Sure there is. As I said, she brings a lot to the table, although she does have some obvious weaknesses like any candidate. But she has a much better chance of energizing core conservatives and most importantly, Independents, the people who have decided every election in the last 50 years, than getting angry liberal Hillary supporters in large numbers.

As for the Romney flipping thing, he has "flipped" on exactly one issue. He was personally against abortion but didn't run as a pro-lifer in MA because that would have been suicide. No Republican has ever done that and never will. But when he got in office he worked against abortion and pissed off liberals, not conservatives. I know. I was here. And pro-lifers would do well to stop hammering this as a negative if you ever hope to be taken seriously by those of us who don't die on this hill. The idea is to get us on your side but if all we get for doing that is scorn, why bother.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 29, 2008 09:02 AM (VBon8)

She probably flew from Anchorage for the same reason she flew into Middletown instead of Dayton.

Posted by: NCC at August 29, 2008 09:02 AM (8nB5X)

On the downside if it isn't Palin now - what with all this ruckus - any choice will be a downer.

Posted by: TRO at August 29, 2008 09:03 AM (YPe8Y)

65 ABC is saying Palin is still in Alaska right now.

Posted by: Enigmaticore at August 29, 2008 09:05 AM (mtjfJ)

66 polynikes, I think Romney is a great American. A great governor. A great way to piss off Huckabee. A smart businessman.

But there are plenty of reasons why he's not ideal. Obama is a flipper and Romney can easily be construed as one. I like Romney mainly because he is credible as a leader, but I don't think this argument doesn't also apply to Palin, who I admit liking for ID politics reasons.

But yeah, Romney is a flake. That's just a fact. He has shifted on values.

Kempermax, we know it's not Romney or Pawlenty, and I hate people who do this on the internet, but it's my understanding that it's going to be a woman, but no other leaks are authorized. If it's not Palin, it's Meg Whitman. I will change my nick to conventional font if I'm wrong. Hold me to that.

grc, I agree that Mccain should show some respect for how hard America is working. But we are in a mental recession. We do need a better attitude. The war on terror will demand some measure of sacrifice many Americans are oblivious to.

When Obama said we let New Orleans sink I got very pissed off. It was unfair. I think Mccain can tell us we deserve a better government, and focus on leading us once he has the bully pulpit...

Posted by: ▄█▀ █■█ █ █▄ █▄ at August 29, 2008 09:08 AM (8jYMc)

67 She's hot for a 45 year old.
Hell, she's hot for a 30 year old.
How do you pronounce VPILF? VIH-pilf or VEE-pilf?

Posted by: Johanna Lapp at August 29, 2008 09:13 AM (E9Jrr)

68 jackstraw, I'm pro choice and pro gay rights. I'm nearly libertarian but I support the idea of banning drugs. I don't mean to call Romney unacceptable because he personally bothers me on issues. Basically I was originally defending the idea of not choosing him as possibly not class warfare. I'm not dissing Romney's flipping because it bothers me (though it does). He's a politician that can easily be portrayed as too much of one. Hell, just look at him. Even his sons look a bit odd. Not his fault at all, but he's out silky pony, our Ken doll, and sadly, our John Kerry (I respectfully disagree that he has only wavered on the issue of life/choice).

From your POV, he was able to get gullible liberals in massachusetts to elect a good conservative. That's pretty sweet, but he conveyed himself as an anti-Reagan and other things.

Anyway, it's moot. It's not him, that's for sure. As I said, I understand that it will be a woman, and if it's not Palin or Whitman, I can be mocked (well, fuck, you can mock me now too).

Posted by: ▄█▀ █■█ █ █▄ █▄ at August 29, 2008 09:15 AM (8jYMc)

69 Palin is presently under current investigation. Whether legit or not, how can you select someone to be your running mate in the middle of an investigation regard to abuse of power? The timing is unfortunate and I just don't think its a smart move.

Posted by: polynikes at August 29, 2008 09:15 AM (m2CN7)

Oh great, now Palin's office is saying she's still in Alaska. WTF is going?!?!

If it's not her, and the rest of the usual suspects are out, who's left worth considering?

Oh my god....could it be....

...TEH JOOOO????????????????

Posted by: EC at August 29, 2008 09:16 AM (mAhn3)

71 Yeah, if it's not Palin but rather, say, Lieberman, all those boners mentioned upthread are going to hit the floor hard and all at once. It could start a dangerous tremor!

Posted by: spongeworthy at August 29, 2008 09:19 AM (a00go)

ABC report is from LAST night, unless Sarah watchs fireworks at 0ne AM. Flight said it left at 12 pm if it is a 5 hour flight, what is time zone in AL, 4 or 5 hours? What her press sec says and what is going on could be two different things.

ON DRUDGE NOW!! Sounds Like we have our MILF!!!

Posted by: kempermanx at August 29, 2008 09:19 AM (2+9Yx)

73 Hook Field is at the end of a dead end residential street that winds through a 50's Cape Cod neighborhood. Fairly secluded. About 25 miles or so from the venue (which is actually outside of Dayton). If I was smuggling somebody into the region under cover of darkness, that's the place. Thing is that there's a larger, but more public, general aviation field, Wright Bros. airport, that would be a more appropriate strip to bring in a Gulfstream, and it's a little closer to Dayton. Could be.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at August 29, 2008 09:21 AM (5aa4z)

74 If it is Palin, I think I'll be okay with it. I'd prefer Pawlenty from a policy standpoint, but Palin brings a lot to the table in terms of convincing the fence-sitters to pull the (R) lever.

First, of course, she's female -- some of the bitter Hillary faithful might go with a MCain/Palin ticket out of pure vindictiveness. Second, Palin is a fairly successful governor and has a better resume that Obama does. She would stand up well to Joe Biden in debates, where Biden's loquatiousness and jocosity might come off as being condescending. Third, Palin is a successful careerwoman with a large family -- she can speak to the "family values" crowd. Fourth, she's smart and can be tough when the situation calls for it. She's easy to underestimate.

The main gripe against her seems to be that she doesn't have a military background and thus would have trouble as Commander-in-Chief should something happen to McCain. I'm not all that concerned, frankly -- this is why you have the National Security Advisor, the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and the SecDef -- and she seems like a quick study.

Wow, I think I talked myself into liking her as the pick.... Now I'm gonna be bummed if it's someone else....

Posted by: Monty at August 29, 2008 09:21 AM (4Pleu)

75 You mean we might have the first-ever vice-president I'd hit? Dan Quayle was pretty good looking. /logcabin

Posted by: Some Dude at August 29, 2008 09:21 AM (eK8R5)

76 >>I respectfully disagree that he has only wavered on the issue of life/choice

Then prove it. You called him a flipper, a flake, said it was a fact. I eagerly await the facts that disprove what I lived through.

One issue. Abortion. And he had to move less than Reagan who signed what was at the time the largest abortion rights bill in the country as Gov. of CA. You think Reagan was a flipping flake, what with his gay son, wacko daughter and zodiac reading wife?

The reason Romney got tagged with that label is because way to many people on this side of the aisle listened to the attacks from McCain and Huck and the MSM and didn't bother to check the facts on their own.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 29, 2008 09:22 AM (VBon8)

Palin is presently under current investigation.

You mean that one about the brother-in-law who was a state trooper? If he was threatening Palin's sister, and she somehow got him removed from his job, then how do you think women voters are going to take that? How do you think jilted Hillary voters are going to take that?

Posted by: EC at August 29, 2008 09:25 AM (mAhn3)

78 With ABC reporting that Palin is still in Alaska, is anyone else getting nervous about Lieberman? Or am I just paranoid out of my gourd right now.

Posted by: JAFKIAC at August 29, 2008 09:26 AM (HqtPo)

79 Holy shit, if it's Palin I'm doing cartwheels. And there are a lot of Average Jens out there like me.

Posted by: Average Jen at August 29, 2008 09:28 AM (OINAg)

I think ABC report is OLD.

Drudge says its PALIN!!!

Posted by: kempermanx at August 29, 2008 09:28 AM (2+9Yx)

81 All planning and logic aside, given the reception that just the rumor that it might be Palin has generated, the McCain camp would be fools to pick Liberman at this point. The MSM reception to the Palin rumor is the best test baloon ever. Besides, I'd love to watch her mop the floor with Biden for the next 2 months.

Posted by: Some Dude at August 29, 2008 09:30 AM (eK8R5)

82 If it's Lieberman, i'm scraping the McCain sticker off within 10 minutes

Posted by: Fred Ralista at August 29, 2008 09:30 AM (ooN+B)

Obama was out of state from his Convention when he was being nominated. He wasn�t even sure where he was.

To keep everything mum, it wouldn�t surprise us then that Palin or whoever gets the VP would stay out of state in order for the secret to be kept under wraps until McCain makes McCain�s announcement.

Great maverick power broker chess master. Play the media against the media and enjoy a good laugh. Whose feelings are going to be hurt if McCain succeeds in controlling his own ship's security?

Posted by: maverick muse at August 29, 2008 09:31 AM (F1b/5)

84 I hope we don't have nonstop milf posts. It's the same as when everyone couldn't stop talking about Jeri Thompson's tits. You are doing the candidate no favors by talking about them this way.

Posted by: grc at August 29, 2008 09:31 AM (YleVG)

85 Besides, I'd love to watch her mop the floor with Biden for the next 2 months.

Mop the floor? Sexist!

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at August 29, 2008 09:32 AM (UNeGp)

86 Hmmmm...Michelle Malkin's site has a story saying that it could be Carly Fiorina. Slightly lower on the hawtness scale, but more than makes up for it on the executive experience side. Another good VP choice.

Posted by: EC at August 29, 2008 09:32 AM (mAhn3)

EC at August 29, 2008 09:25 AM (mAhn3)

I don't know how women voters will take it but it would be a concern of mine if she did use her influence to fire someone for something that allegedly happened that was non work related.

Posted by: polynikes at August 29, 2008 09:32 AM (m2CN7)

Wait a minute...

I thought this place was for morons to discuss their love for Valu-Rite and for what they do to hobos on the weekend.

You guys are discussing issues. Intelligently. (OK. Mostly intelligently.)

Is this some sort of Ace-of-Spades alternative universe? Has Ace been hacked? What is going on here? What!! Morons demand answers!

OK, OK.

Palin would be cool. Her story demonstrates a life devoted to conservative values. And she's hot. What's not to like?

OT: I'm an airline pilot and I use that FlightAware site all the time. When I walk up to a gate and my plane isn't there yet, I pop onto FlightAware and can see to the minute just where the inbound plane is. Best thing since sliced bread.

And the intertubes.

All Hail, Lord Gore.

Posted by: azlibertarian at August 29, 2008 09:33 AM (LHg/U)

89 Wow, this is a surprise. Yesssssssssssssss

Posted by: Z Ryan at August 29, 2008 09:34 AM (PDeVA)

90 Lieberman will not campaign on the Sabbath - Friday and Saturday. Look, I'm MOT (member of tribe) and I don't want him to get it. That said, how many black folk out there would say that about Obrother. Now THAT would be post-racial.

GOT MILF? Let's hope (without the change)

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 29, 2008 09:36 AM (zpaDL)

91 How do Romney's sons look odd? To clean cut?

Romney getting the flip-flopper tag was a democrat dodge and Huckabee, the prick, promoted that also.

Posted by: mare at August 29, 2008 09:38 AM (xMkst)

92 OT: I'm an airline pilot and I use that FlightAware site all the time. When I walk up to a gate and my plane isn't there yet, I pop onto FlightAware and can see to the minute just where the inbound plane is. Best thing since sliced bread.

You mean you can use it for other purposes than stalking VP candidates and college football coaches? Damn, who would have though.

On another subject, because of the McCain's team leak discipline, they have almost completely sucked up all of the air this morning. This has been a real good week so far for their team leaders. Every move has seemed to work, but it is a long way till November.

Posted by: JAFKIAC at August 29, 2008 09:38 AM (HqtPo)

93 Well, this is stealing the thunder from Obama. At first I had my doubts about that tactic. Someone should dig out the photo of her with the wild game she shot. Piss off the peta people now.

Posted by: grc at August 29, 2008 09:38 AM (YleVG)

94 Are people buying this abcnews story that Palin is staying in Alaska? I swear if it's Lieberman, the it's all Bob Barr for me!

Posted by: Justnashole at August 29, 2008 09:39 AM (jbz6b)

95 If McCain wanted to be really Mavericky, he should go with Kwame Kilpatrick. Minority with executive experience, reaching across the aisle all the way into the big house. Puts Michigan in play. Plus he knows how to text some Obama couldn't say the team was out of touch with younger peeps.

What could go wrong?

Posted by: JackStraw at August 29, 2008 09:39 AM (VBon8)

96 ABC news is less credible than the Enquirer, not that location is crucial as muse notes.

Leiberman would irritate me greatly, mainly because it would show Mccain is selfish and stupid, and caves to the hopey pressure. He needs youth on his ticket. Palin will goad the left into a debate on experience. Can they restrain themselves? It's going to wind up being an argument, back and forth, between Palin and Obama's merits. Not only will Palin win, but Obama can't win this argument... it's against the VP slot!

EC has that investigation nailed. that investigation is a actually a plus for Palin. What governor would knowingly let a wife-beater wear a badge? It's yet another trap for the left to fall into. (if you can't tell, I'm a shill).

Only the GOP ticket will have an executive. Only the GOP will have a truly likable person on it.

I've been reading some other blogs and a lot of republicans who are tepid on Mccain are promising to give Mccain a small donation today if Palin is the pick. Anyone here of like mind? (I, a shill, am giving him a couple hundred if it's Palin).

Jackstraw, this isn't a forum on Romney, who has so roundly been labeled a flip flopper on so many issues it's not really worth discussing. A quick google pulled up some quotes where Romney has chosen three sides to stem cell research:

^{From the Left:}

^{"Romney has decided to support experimentation on surplus frozen embryos from in-vitro fertilization procedures."
- National Review Online, February 11, 2005}

^{"At a campaign appearance at Brandeis University in June 2002, Romney strongly endorsed stem cell research."
- Boston Globe, December 17, 2006 Read the article}

^{From the Center:}

^{"Governor Mitt Romney set off a storm of criticism
yesterday after he declared in a published interview that he favored
banning a specific type of stem cell research. Scientists and the
leader of the state Senate accused him of trying to block a promising
avenue of research, even as antiabortion groups assailed him for
declaring that he did not object to stem cell research involving
embryos from fertility clinics."
- Boston Globe, February 11, 2005 Read the article

From the Right:}

^{"I studied the issue for many months, and entered
into conversation with experts from across the nation who were looking
for consensus solutions, like Stanford's Dr. William Hurlbut. In the
end, I became persuaded that the stem-cell debate was grounded in a
false premise, and that the way through it was around it: by the use of
scientific techniques that could produce the equivalent of embryonic
stem cells but without cloning, creating, harming, or destroying
developing human lives."
- Governor Mitt Romney, Op-Ed, "A Stem-Cell Solution," National Review Online, June 15, 2007}

Look, let's not argue this, ok? You have google to, so if you find this page, you'll see that Romney didn't just flip on abortion. It's not a big deal anymore. But I hope I've met your challenge and we can focus on the good and bad points of Palin.

Posted by: ▄█▀ █■█ █ █▄ █▄ at August 29, 2008 09:44 AM (8jYMc)

97 please dont vote for me, i'm an asshole....

Posted by: Bob Barr at August 29, 2008 09:45 AM (O9PJP)

"...I really don't know what I'm talking about."

Ace, this is your clear VP choice. He's got the chops to lead here, should anything, you know, go amiss during a hobo-hunt.

Posted by: sherlock at August 29, 2008 09:46 AM (ojW85)

99 If experience is the issue, why doesn't McCain tap Cheney for the gig. He has 8 years of experience as the VP. Can't beat that with a stick...

Posted by: Some Dude at August 29, 2008 09:50 AM (eK8R5)

100 IT'S PALIN... I've received confirmation from inside resources. Take it to the bank.

Posted by: Frank at August 29, 2008 09:50 AM (CoOYX)

101 I heard Hillary!'s plane just landed in Cleveland.

Posted by: tcbevo at August 29, 2008 09:51 AM (inTsh)

102 Palin would be a good pick, but it won't work in the end.

Blacks will beat White Women every time.

Uhm...I mean that electorally, not in an O.J. Simpson way....

Posted by: Kasper Hauser at August 29, 2008 09:51 AM (KeOQp)

103 CNBC's Republican sources are saying it's Palin.

Posted by: Benson at August 29, 2008 09:52 AM (qzcNU)

104 The attack on Stanley Kurtz by the Obamaniacs the other day brought me off the fence and convinced me that Obama had to be stopped. But if McCain picks Palin, based on what I know now, I would enthusiastically vote for that ticket. It brings up the first of several young, conservative Republicans from AAA to the major leagues, and opens up the possibility of a Palin/Jindal ticket in 2012. It's a positive step and a good move. I hope it's really true. We'll find out in a couple of hours.

Posted by: lmg at August 29, 2008 09:52 AM (A/vgC)

105 It's Palin fer shure? Yay!

How many GOP bigshots read this blog, exactly?

Posted by: spenn at August 29, 2008 09:53 AM (QIfim)

106 Drudge is saying Palin is in Alaska. Maybe she's going mow down a herd of caribou with her automatic weapon and start drilling for oil during the annoucement.. much more theatrical than Pimpcropolis.

Posted by: IreneFingIrene at August 29, 2008 09:55 AM (MFQJZ)

107 I would rather have a Vice President learn on the job then a President.

Posted by: demoncrat at August 29, 2008 09:55 AM (XWJh5)

108 Links, people, links! I'm shaking in my office with the door closes I'm so nervous! Come on John--do the right thing.

Posted by: Justnashole at August 29, 2008 09:56 AM (jbz6b)

109

azlibertarian,

Please forgive us for this momentary lapse of judgement, it is a holiday weekend, so we will be back on the valu rite soon enough.

Morons for MILFS!

Posted by: Kempermanx at August 29, 2008 09:56 AM (qvT/A)

110 Flipping around the TV while I wait for some copies... Obama is getting ZERO press right now for his historical MLK speech. Oh man, he must be so pissed off to turn on the TV and wait 30 minutes without hearing his name!

Posted by: ▄█▀ █■█ █ █▄ █▄ at August 29, 2008 09:56 AM (8jYMc)

111 CNBC link--it looks like it's Palin!!!!!!!!! http://www.cnbc.com/id/26454655

Posted by: Justnashole at August 29, 2008 09:57 AM (jbz6b)

112 Christian Newswire has sources saying it's Palin, too.

Posted by: Benson at August 29, 2008 09:59 AM (qzcNU)

113 McCain/Naughty Librarian '08!

Posted by: Benson at August 29, 2008 10:01 AM (qzcNU)

114 >>But I hope I've met your challenge and we can focus on the good and bad points of Palin.

No, you haven't. In fact, you proved my point. He was against abortion but ran, as he has said many times, as effectively pro-choice. However, once he got in office and the first pro-life/pro-choice bill that came to him he went against it.

This is significantly different from Ronald Reagan who ran as pro-choice, signed sweeping abortion funding legislation and only flipped after. But you keep hammering the Romney is a flipper crap, just like Huck, just like McCain, which is why we are stuck with McCain and praying for a VP who sucks less than he does.

This is a forum to discuss VP selections and Palin in particular. Had you not started with the proven false claims against Romney, I wouldn't have responded. If you don't want to talk about Romney, don't bring him up.

Now you can get back to shilling for Palin.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 29, 2008 10:02 AM (VBon8)

115 I don't know how women voters will take it but it would be a concern of mine if she did use her influence to fire someone for something that allegedly happened that was non work related.

She may have jumped the gun but criminal threats against your wife and father in law is a crime which makes it work related.

Posted by: grc at August 29, 2008 10:02 AM (YleVG)

116 McCain/MILF '08?

I'll be in my bunk.

Posted by: Jeff B. at August 29, 2008 10:03 AM (BWTSB)

117 Blacks will beat White Women every time.
Uhm...I mean that electorally, not in an O.J. Simpson way....

Oh, bring it on! When Palin goes outside to check on a noise, she's packing heat. Gun vs. knife = Gun wins.

Posted by: grc at August 29, 2008 10:04 AM (YleVG)

118

CNN reporting about a woman who looked like may be Palin coming off of a private charter plane from Anchorage in Ohio and was "whisked" away in a car. Can you feel the MILF excitement in the air!

Posted by: Justnashole at August 29, 2008 10:04 AM (jbz6b)

119 No announcements yet, but the Alaska government is refusing to tell the press where the governor is. That's a pretty odd thing not to disclose.

It's a shame this won't piss Huckabee off.

Posted by: ▄█▀ █■█ █ █▄ █▄ at August 29, 2008 10:06 AM (8jYMc)

120 I fear that it's Phil Gramm or Fred Thompson.

Or even worse, Meg Whitman or Carly Fiorinananna.

Posted by: Bart at August 29, 2008 10:08 AM (/EpPq)

121

How do I love Palin? Let me count the ways:

Economic and social conservative, would appeal to the base

She's a chick with five kids, would appeal to 150 million American women She has a 80-90% approval rating as a Republican governor in a blue state Walks the walk, her oldest son is in the army and is headed to Iraq in a couple of weeks She's very smart, personable, and has a sense of humor, would come off well in the debates Has actual executive experience, unlike both Obama and Biden Her husband is a native-American eskimo, would appeal to those identity politics types She ran and won on an anti-corruption platform. She's kind of what Nancy Pelosi wanted to be, with her "it takes a woman to clean the house" line. She and her family used to go hunting, would appeal to quite a few second-amendment types Is a historical candidate, to answer all the "making history" bs from the Dems I could go on. She rocks.

Posted by: Average Jen at August 29, 2008 10:08 AM (OINAg)

122 I can't believe how McCain is keeping this a secret for so long.

That says a lot about his campaign. Impressive, really.

Posted by: Bart at August 29, 2008 10:11 AM (/EpPq)

123 Palin on the ticket?

Val-u-rite spill on the highway,so free booze for everybody?

What a great start to the weekend!

If it's Palin, I'm not only back on board, I'll contribute to the campaign too.

BUNK!

Posted by: Francase at August 29, 2008 10:12 AM (ACi4q)

124 Not sure how much stock to put in this but on Intrade in the last few minutes, Palin's contracts have risen significantly and Mitt's are dropping like anchors

Posted by: Sean at August 29, 2008 10:12 AM (3LifV)

125

Sounds like the morons need to go to the liquior store for some more valu rite!!

PARTY for PALIN!!

Posted by: Kempermanx at August 29, 2008 10:12 AM (qvT/A)

126

OT - What if the economy grew by 3.3% and nobody covered it?

This morning on NPR's "Weekly Financial Report" there was not a mention of it - not a peep.

We gotta get control of this shit people - we are being fucked-over by the media, and I am personally fed up with it. God damn you Democrat sycophants. All I have been hearing this morning on the radio is lengthy excepts and paens to Obama.

Posted by: sherlock at August 29, 2008 10:13 AM (ojW85)

127

http://www.cnbc.com/id/26454655

Source says it is Palin.

Forget getting my hopes up...I'm gettin' a bit o chub over this. You can't leave a guy hanging now.

Posted by: Shrug at August 29, 2008 10:14 AM (+ZT5h)

128 Average Jen,

I agree with most of what you say, but Alaska is NOT a blue state.

Posted by: Kasper Hauser at August 29, 2008 10:14 AM (KeOQp)

129 So you folks talking about donating if it's Palin -- do mean cash donation or the usual one you make into the Kleenex?

Posted by: mr.frakypants at August 29, 2008 10:14 AM (PonvG)

130 Today is McCain's 100th birthday, btw.

Posted by: Bart at August 29, 2008 10:15 AM (/EpPq)

131

You guys keep knocking Lieberman as Veep candidate and I got to tell you I think that would be the best pick of all. I gave up on the GOP ticket a long time ago and the only reason I'd vote McCain would be to make a hippie cry. Well, Lieberman already makes hippies cry and as a Veep candidate he'd have them blubbering in the streets. It's very easy to surreptitiously pop a weeping street hippie in the nuts, so that's a win for me.

Will Palin make hippies cry?

Posted by: spongeworthy at August 29, 2008 10:15 AM (a00go)

132 Hey, Jackstraw, shut the fuck up, you fucking idiot.

I don't know what the fuck you think youve proven, but you're the one insisting you've won an argument without posting a single link.

Stem cell reseach is not Abortion. You demanded I show you any issue other than Abortion Romney has changed his position on. I provided citations. So you need to pull your head out of your ass and shut the fuck up. You also asserted that I started talking about Romney...forcing you to defend his honor. In fact, as I already pointed out to you twice, I was responding to someone else's bullshit. They said that not choosing Romney was evidence that the GOP hates punishes success (class warfare). I pointed out that Romney merely has a reputation as a flip-flopper, which even you admit. You are absolutely a total fucking idiot.

I don't give a fuck what Reagan, a former Democrat flipped on, and I never asserted anything about Reagan, and you pointing out that Romney isn't the only politician who acts like a politician is a stupid fucking point.

Romney has flipped on:

GUN CONTROL

IMMIGRATION

TAXES

EDUCATION

EMERGENCY CONTRACEPTION

GAY RIGHTS

WAITING PERIOD FOR GUNS

MINIMUM WAGE

TAXATION

CAMPAIGN FINANCE REFORM

THE MARRIAGE AMENDMENT

And yeah, abortion and stem cell research.

You claim that you proved me wrong. Well, you better fucking tell me what you proved me wrong on, you fucking dick, or admit you're full of shit, or I will follow you around this fucking blog for 6 months. No one calls me out unless they are right, you dumb shit. Do you know how to use google? google Romney and any of these issues, and you will find quotes from Romney that contradict. If you can't use google, you may pick any two of these issues, and I will post quotes. You claimed there were no flips beyond abortion, and you're wrong as fuck.

Sarah Palin gives birth to retards that would make better presidents than Mitt Romney.

Posted by: ▄█▀ █■█ █ █▄ █▄ at August 29, 2008 10:16 AM (8jYMc)

133 Does anyone else think McCain is going to announce his cabinet one by one today? Mitt Romney at Treasury; Lieberman at State; Fiorina at Commerce; Huckabee at Praying to keep the lions from eating the squirrels; and then bring out Palin as his VP pick.

Had McCain not done this, all we'd be hearing about is the Obama spectacle last night. There has been almost no discussion of it on the news because all the talking heads are checking their blackberries to get the latest scuttlebutt and only occasionally raise their heads to say, "Obama? oh yeah good stuff last night <buzz buzz> hold on let me check this..."

Posted by: Sean at August 29, 2008 10:18 AM (3LifV)

134 I don't know, sponge. Take a gander over at DU and they are coming unglued about this and slamming the hell out her. Old and Cold is my favorite campaign slogan they have come up with. They are clearly flipping out.

They are going to look very stupid after months of whining about racism and sexism if Palin is the nominee.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 29, 2008 10:19 AM (VBon8)

135 and yeah, I named a couple of issues twice, but I spelled them differently, so fuck you

Posted by: ▄█▀ █■█ █ █▄ █▄ at August 29, 2008 10:20 AM (8jYMc)

136 I'll be in my bunk.

Posted by: Jayne Cobb at August 29, 2008 10:20 AM (+MtXg)

137 Romney hasn't flipped on anything, Shrill.

You can parse his words all you want, but JackStraw is right: When it came down to it, Romney governed and led his life as a Conservative. And that's all that matters.

Posted by: Bart at August 29, 2008 10:20 AM (/EpPq)

138 Yeah, J Hill, but you forgot to add the "10" in front of that "0%" coverage of Obama, right? Man, I wish I had the contract for replacement kneepad inserts at NPR! They are wearing those puppies out at a rapid rate!

Posted by: sherlock at August 29, 2008 10:21 AM (ojW85)

139 Shill, dude, put your pants back on. This hard-on you have for McCain is embarrassing.

Mccain knows a lot about bullshit investigastions, having been extremely honorably, yet faced with that Keating 5 crap.

You told JackStraw to google Romney's flip-flops, then site hair-splitting Stem-cell examples of Romney flipping on more than just abortion.

Well, hell, since you are so fond of google, why don't you apply it to McCain and the Keating 5 scandal?

Romney is a flipper. He's insulted Reagan.

And McCain has insulted damn near every Conservative alive.

And don't be silly... this means Mccain is flipping on ANWR.

Wait... flipping is good?

When Obama said we let New Orleans sink I got very pissed off. It was unfair.

Umm... McCain has essentially said the same thing. Google it!

Posted by: krakatoa at August 29, 2008 10:22 AM (lxcmS)

140 *crosses fingers...

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Posted by: wiserbud at August 29, 2008 10:22 AM (wWwJR)

141 Does anyone else think McCain is going to announce his cabinet one by one today?

He could drop hints to that affect, but that's a prohibited practice in presidential elections.

Posted by: Bart at August 29, 2008 10:23 AM (/EpPq)

142 Shill-

Your flat wrong on your entire list which is why you didn't provide any attribution. I lived in the state during his time at Bain when he was a business legend, during the Olympics, during his campaign and during his term as Governor.

You are just repeating the same spin that the MSM, Huck and McCain used. You have proved nothing other than you know shit about what you are saying but are more than willing to repeat stuff without doing any actual research on your own.

Bravo. I see where you got your nickname from.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 29, 2008 10:24 AM (VBon8)

143 Okay: Shill, Jackstraw -- don't make me come over there. You didn't beleive me last time when I threatened to take a razor strap to your asses, and you went to bed with sore asses but more wisdom in your hearts. You either behave and keep the noise down, or I'm gonna beat you so hard you're gonna pass bruised DNA on to your children.

Now get outta my face so I can watch my afternoon stories.

Posted by: Monty at August 29, 2008 10:25 AM (4Pleu)

144 krakatoa, you don't seem to get my point.

I don't have a problem with Romney, and I'm not a big fan of Mccain. Frankly, all I'm doing is responding to a dumb assertion or two.

Yeah, Mccain flips all the fucking time.

And Bart, you are out of your mind if you think Romney hasn't flipped on many issues. John Kerry words his flips as changes of heart. That's what a flip is, not having a moral gauge on this.

Posted by: ▄█▀ █■█ █ █▄ █▄ at August 29, 2008 10:25 AM (8jYMc)

145 This is going to end with a broken vodka bottle to the face.

Posted by: Z Ryan at August 29, 2008 10:25 AM (PDeVA)

146 WAAAARRRRIORSSSSSS...... COME OUT AND PLAAAAAYYYYY......

Posted by: wiserbud at August 29, 2008 10:28 AM (IHbof)

147

Old and Cold, JackStraw? That little knucklehead baby of Palin's would have been unceremoniously scraped into oblivion, probably by state mandate, if that DU trash had their way. She's the cold one?

They'll have to do better. As for paying them a visit, you're a better man than I, Elf Guy.

Posted by: spongeworthy at August 29, 2008 10:29 AM (a00go)

148

If it's Palin, just imagine how pissed off Hillary is going to be. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The Reblicans showing the world a competent female politician who isn't a fucking CUNT, who doesn't whine, who isn't married to a scumbag, etc., etc., etc.! And she'll be perfectly positioned to run against Hillary if McCain decides that 100 years old is too old to run again in 2012.

I suspect that the four hour erection most of you are suffering from right now is not a result of taking Viagra or Cialis, and I further suspect that you won't be calling a medical professional for it! Calling Dr. Palin! Calling Dr. Palin!

Posted by: Sharkman at August 29, 2008 10:29 AM (UioS4)

149 BLOOOOOGGGGGGG FIIIIIGGGGGGGHHHHHHTTTTTTT!!!!!!!

snap, snap, snap, snap, snap

[/west side story]

Posted by: JAFKIAC at August 29, 2008 10:29 AM (HqtPo)

150 Monty's here and he didn't call me stupid.

I don't know whether to be touched or feel slighted.

Posted by: Bart at August 29, 2008 10:30 AM (/EpPq)

151 Bart, how/why is it prohibited? I can see why previous candidates have not done it (b/c it gives the other side other targets to fire at during the campaign) but if all these people were vetted for the VP slot, presumably all of the skeletons are known, and McCain takes pride in not being a normal candidate. It would make for great political theater, and for example, announcing Mitt as who he would pick for Treasury would mollify those who have concerns that McCain (and Palin if she is the VP pick) are not strong on economic issues.

Posted by: Sean at August 29, 2008 10:30 AM (3LifV)

152 This is going to end with a broken vodka bottle to the face.

...just as all good love stories inevitably do.

Posted by: Monty at August 29, 2008 10:30 AM (4Pleu)

153

Easy now, remember no one is talking about "the one", only Sarah!!!

Hey big O, EAT ME!!

Posted by: Kempermanx at August 29, 2008 10:30 AM (qvT/A)

154

Qxf7++

Black's move.

Or, perhaps more appropriately: All in.

Posted by: Bat Chain Puller at August 29, 2008 10:30 AM (97mv0)

155 and krakatoa, what did Mccain do wrong in Keating 5? He fucked up on immigration and free speech, but he seemed extremely honest with Keating, asking that he not be given special treatment. Heavens. I can do a better job bitching about Mccain than pretty much anybody.

My point is simple, Romeny flipped on many issues. Stem cells happened to be the top issue on the first page I googled.

A: Romney attacked the idea of deporting illegals, advising for amnesty. Boston Globe, March 16, 2007 Read the article

Romney slammed Amnesty. Boston Globe, June 1, 2007 Read the article

B: Romney condemned Mccain Feingold when it was deeply unpopular with conservatives. But prior, he supported even stronger measure than Mccain Feingold. http://www.clubforgrowth.org/media/uploads/070820-white-paper-romney.pdf

C: In 2002, Romney broke with his predecessor, Jane Swift, and Republican governors before her by declining to sign a written vow not to raise taxes once in office.

Almost five years after he refused to sign a "no new taxes" pledge during his campaign for governor, Mitt Romney announced yesterday that he had done just that, as his campaign for the 2008 Republican presidential nomination began in earnest.

- Boston Globe, January 5, 2007 Read the article

Posted by: ▄█▀ █■█ █ █▄ █▄ at August 29, 2008 10:31 AM (8jYMc)

156 Fox just confirmed it's PALIN!!!

Jesus, I'm actually getting a little excited about this race now . . .

Posted by: Scout at August 29, 2008 10:31 AM (h/4DY)

157 SO....

...the big question is, how long until Olbermann refers to Palin as a "slut," a "whore," or a "dirty hobo-fucking slore" on the air?

I saw before the night is out.

Posted by: Jeff B. at August 29, 2008 10:31 AM (BWTSB)

158 Basically, Jackstraw claimed he won an argument by changing the subject to what Reagan did.

He claimed I attacked Romney when I merely asserted that there are plenty of reasons beyond 'punishing success' for not choosing Romney, for example his reputation for flipping.

Jackstraw insisted I show some flip other than abortion, and I have shown several.

Bart claims that Romney has never flipped, even though this is kinda silly.

Krakatoa suggests the Keating 5 is equivilant.

I get that Romney is not the bad man Huckabee seemed to suggest, but he has shifted from one position to another on many issues. Is that OK? Well, I guess that's the only way to win in Massachusetts, but it's a valid argument for not selecting him.

Main point: Jackstraw wasn't man enough to admit he was completely full of shit in claiming something about me that simply isn't true. I won on his terms.

Posted by: ▄█▀ █■█ █ █▄ █▄ at August 29, 2008 10:34 AM (8jYMc)

159 I don't know whether to be touched or feel slighted.

Would a punch in the forehead make you feel better? [POW!!] There ya are. Go your way and sin no more, my son. And put some salve on that bruise.

Posted by: Monty at August 29, 2008 10:34 AM (4Pleu)

160

Massachusetts Republican = Texas Democrat

Let Mitt head the RNC and trade barbs with Howard Dean.

Posted by: Baron Von Ottomatic at August 29, 2008 10:35 AM (4ZOxD)

161 Bart, how/why is it prohibited?

I think it's some unwritten rule, Sean.

Seriously. I'm not pulling this outta my ass; candidates cannot or should not form their cabinets before they're elected.

Posted by: Bart at August 29, 2008 10:35 AM (/EpPq)

162 Shill: My attitude is fine. Work on your own.

Posted by: grc at August 29, 2008 10:35 AM (YleVG)

163 Romney and Palin were both trading in the 60s on Intrade this morning. Palin is now trading at 90 and ROmney is at 5. Time to buy Romney stock!

Posted by: Sean at August 29, 2008 10:35 AM (3LifV)

164 You know, I'll fuck with jackstraw later, I'm thrilled that Sarah Palin is the official pick. This is excellent news!

Sean, it is against the law to promise specific appointments. Chapter 15 of the US Code, section 599. He can be general, though.

Posted by: ▄█▀ █■█ █ █▄ █▄ at August 29, 2008 10:37 AM (8jYMc)

165 CNN confirms on TV. McCain rep says yes it's Palin!!!

Posted by: Justnashole at August 29, 2008 10:37 AM (jbz6b)

166 She's got some major league foreign policy studying to do. That is what the Dems will focus on and will try to trip her up at every opportunity.

Posted by: polynikes at August 29, 2008 10:38 AM (m2CN7)

167 Outstanding, Red Team. I'll buy you a case of beer for that.

Posted by: Baron Von Ottomatic at August 29, 2008 10:39 AM (4ZOxD)

168 161 Bart, how/why is it prohibited?

I think it's some unwritten rule, Sean.

Seriously. I'm not pulling this outta my ass; candidates cannot or should not form their cabinets before they're elected.

Posted by: Bart at August 29, 2008 10:35 AM (/EpPq)

I know it has never been done, but an unwritten rule is the same as no rule. He could say "I will ask my good friends in the senate to confirm Mitt Romney at treasury due to his extensive experience blah blah blah..."

Posted by: Sean at August 29, 2008 10:40 AM (3LifV)

169 Matt Lauer 9:39am Eastern MSNBC says it's official, Palin is VP choice

Posted by: sirsurfalot at August 29, 2008 10:40 AM (Czvjx)

170 Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes.

Posted by: Z Ryan at August 29, 2008 10:40 AM (PDeVA)

171 *BONER*

Posted by: Some Dude at August 29, 2008 10:41 AM (eK8R5)

172 Who dared dream?

Anyone?

Posted by: Z Ryan at August 29, 2008 10:41 AM (PDeVA)

173 my bad 10:39

Posted by: sirsurfalot at August 29, 2008 10:41 AM (Czvjx)

174 Mont, you managed to punch Bart the only place he won't feel it. Lucky for him and really lucky for you.

Posted by: spongeworthy at August 29, 2008 10:41 AM (a00go)

175 Hell, I just gave a little scratch to McCain for this. Both the pick and the way it was handled. Keeping it a secret for this long really took a lot of discipline that is impressive in this day and age.

And yes this is my first donation to anyone since teh Fred (He is dead to me right now.)

Posted by: JAFKIAC at August 29, 2008 10:41 AM (HqtPo)

176 grc, I didn't say anything about your attitude, did I? We live in a nation of hard workers, but we've got a lot of problems that I think can be described as an attitude problem without being described as some kind of problem with America. You want to pile on, go ahead. I don't want to be a troll, so I'll just not make an issue of it.

Jackstraw has been a jerk here, and I'm justified to be annoyed by it. My cussing is mostly just because that's the running joke here, but he is full of shit.

Posted by: ▄█▀ █■█ █ █▄ █▄ at August 29, 2008 10:42 AM (8jYMc)

177 Shill-

Don't bother. You clearly don't know what you are talking about when you use the Boston Globe, a paper to the left of Olbermann, as your source. I'll take my years of actually living here and seeing for myself, but thanks anyway.

You keep shilling and wondering why you are stuck with people like John McCain.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 29, 2008 10:42 AM (VBon8)

178 I take it, then, that if McCain picks Palin, he'll get an absolute lock on the masturbatin' moron vote.

Posted by: OregonMuse at August 29, 2008 10:43 AM (FO+YO)

179 my post 164 misstated the chapter of the law that Bart and Sean are talking about. It's chapter 29, section 599, that prohibited Mccain from naming his cabinet specifically.

Posted by: ▄█▀ █■█ █ █▄ █▄ at August 29, 2008 10:44 AM (8jYMc)

180 Krakatoa suggests the Keating 5 is equivilant.

No, I'm just suggesting you have a man-crush on McCain. Well, that and everything you say about Romney is true of McCain.

Posted by: krakatoa at August 29, 2008 10:45 AM (lxcmS)

181 Shrill, Jackstraw -- I'm only telling you once more, and then it's an ass-beating festival where you two are the guests of honor. You feel me? I'm tryinna enjoy my day here, and you two are polluting my atmosphere with your racket. I work and slave all week for a little peace and quiet, but do you care? No, you just scream and shout and tromp across my clean floor in your goddam muddy shoes like I got nothing better to do than pick up after you. Shut your cake-holes or so help me God you're going to think that you got hit by a freight train!

Now get me a beer and then mow the damned lawn like I asked you to an hour ago.

Posted by: Monty at August 29, 2008 10:47 AM (4Pleu)

182

If it is indeed Palin, as it sems to be, this bodes well for McCain's campaign. It suggests they might actually have a good idea of how to run this, how to handle the convention, etc. She's a great choice on a lot of levels, rounds out some of McCain's weaknesses . . . frankly, right now I'm more excited about her than I am McCain.

But, more importantly, it suggests to me that the McCain campaign knows what it's doing. I didn't get the same sense from Obama's Biden pick.

Posted by: Medicinal at August 29, 2008 10:48 AM (jQS9X)

183 BOOM!

BUNK!

MSNBC is displaying freak-out at the moment too, to an extent.

I'm feeling a lot more energetic now. It might have to do with shoving that hopey-changey mantra Obambi's been chanting right up his ass!

Do I seem happy? I can't tell.

Posted by: Francase at August 29, 2008 10:49 AM (ACi4q)

184 Jackstraw, you are just one of those people, I guess. You told me to specifically cite one example of Romney shifting views.

I used his direct quotes, and you say it doesn't count because he was quoted in a lefty rag.

You are just too stupid to realize you are making a fool of yourself. You're wrong. Romney flip flops. OK? You claimed I lost an argument because of some random factoid about Reagan. That's just irrelevant. I even like Romney, but he's not fit for the highest office if he has to change his position so much. The American people deserve to know exactly what the fuck they are voting for.

Mccain is indeed not my first choice, though I don't know that there was a better choice this year.

Your assertion that just because you live in Boston, you are a better source on Romney facts, in spite of my pointing out 4 flops with citations, and you admitting to one. Do you understand that this is utterly unpersuasive? My links suck font-wise because I'm pasting this on a PDA, but anyone who follows them will have to conclude that Romney changes his mind based on what office he's running for... just like Obama.

I'm glad Romney did a good job as governor and in the Olympics. I called him a great American way up the thread. But he did flop all the time, and you have no honesty or honor to continue to pretend you were wrong to insist I lost this argument when I'm the only party who actually provided evidence. I'm calling you out as lacking even a shred of honesty.

Posted by: ▄█▀ █■█ █ █▄ █▄ at August 29, 2008 10:50 AM (8jYMc)

185 Monty, I really regret bringing it up and fucking up a great thread about Palin. Seriously, I mean it when I say I fucked up in discussing it with a braindead zealot who ignores tons of evidence because of where he lived once.

I'll get you a beer. O'Douls?

Posted by: ▄█▀ █■█ █ █▄ █▄ at August 29, 2008 10:51 AM (8jYMc)

186 If it's Palin, it's because McMav has figured out that drilling (and the Democrats' foot-dragging on oil production) is a massive winning issue for a Republican party that needs massive issues to break the Big Media Blockade. Let's watch Pelosi keep the stonewall from cracking when Democrats look at the prospect of seeing an Alaskan advocating for ANWR drilling at every campaign stop until November.

Posted by: Bender Bending Rodriguez at August 29, 2008 10:51 AM (1z2o+)

187 Ok Monty-

I'll leave Shill alone. Say, haven't seen you for a while, how you liking Dice-K and his 30 - 14 record?

Posted by: JackStraw at August 29, 2008 10:52 AM (VBon8)

188 written rules are different from unwritten ones, but damn that would've kicked ass.

He could still say Romney, Wittman and Fiorina will advise me on business and economic issues, I will rely on the advice of Lieberman in foreign affairs, we'll find an office in the basement for Huckabee...

Posted by: Sean at August 29, 2008 10:54 AM (3LifV)

189 krakatoa, I do like Mccain for his POW status. I'm not sure it's worth making him prez, but it's something I care about.

Beyond that, I don't see any reason why Mccain is a better candidate than Romney. I think Keating 5 is actually proof that Mccain is a good guy. It showed how Mccain refused to give favors when others buckled under pressure.

I don't mind the insults, since I'm dishing them out. But I'm not trying to prove that Romney is some awful thing. I'm not trying to prove that Mccain is the second coming. I only set out to show that the GOP did not reject Romney in order to "punish success" (not my words). And that Romney has a reputation for flipping that is a legit reason to prefer a different candidate.

Posted by: ▄█▀ █■█ █ █▄ █▄ at August 29, 2008 10:55 AM (8jYMc)

190 I'll get you a beer. O'Douls?

Jeezus, you are crusin' for a bruisin', aren't you? Sam Adams, just like every other ten thousand goddam times. And God help you if you ate the last Ding Dong I had rat-holed behind the leftover meatloaf.

Say, haven't seen you for a while, how you liking Dice-K and his 30 - 14 record?

The question is whether that record is worth the hundred mill the Sox spent on him. Even if he can stay off the DL and keep his elbow and shoulder from burning out, I suspect that this season is an atypical one for him.

Posted by: Monty at August 29, 2008 10:57 AM (4Pleu)

191

There's plenty to be irritated about. She's not moderate socially, for example.

For some of us, that's a relief. Being "moderate socially" is usually a sign that they are "moderate" fiscally too. See Ah-nold...

Posted by: Curmudgeon at August 29, 2008 10:58 AM (ujg0T)

192 At the debate between Palin and Biden when he touts his vast foreign policy experience all she has to say is look, I promise to ask you before I make a single decision and then do the exact opposite. Biden has been wrong every single time on these issues. Has anyone seen the reports where Biden wanted to give Iran $200 million dollars? hahahaha

Posted by: sirsurfalot at August 29, 2008 11:01 AM (Czvjx)

193 lowandslow, she's a great speaker. What are you talking about? Check out youtube! And don't be silly... this means Mccain is flipping on ANWR. I don't have any idea what you are talking about with corporate giveaways. What corporate giveaways is Obama in favor of? Alaska oil distro policy is not a liberal giveaway... it's the opposite, really. It's not wealth redistribution or anything liberal, for God's sake. shill

You don't what the fuck your talking about. McCain ain't flipping on ANWR, why did the GOP erase it from the platform? As for her "oil distro policy" it is just another populist liberal giveaway, nothing more. The media is going crucify her and McCain for picking her and rightfully so. She neutralizes the inexperienced argument, Obama's WPT and free money giveaway argument and they're going to portray it as McCains first decision as a President hopeful as weak. That's not even bringing up the abuse of power investigation, the media is going to have a field day.
Disastrous pick no matter how you look at it

Posted by: lowandslow at August 29, 2008 11:02 AM (0CotU)

194 lowandslow,
I think you're totally wrong. But I'm happy to hear what you are talking about.

What did Palin do that was populist with oil? The money giveaway has been going on for a lot longer than she's been around, and it's the government paying the people, not vice versa, so yeah it is populist, but it's not bad. What else should the government do with the money? It's the people's money! Now, if I'm missing something she's done that is stupid and liberal, then everyone is missing it, and I'd appreciate you hitting me with the cluebat. Just because Jackstraw is too big a bitch to admit when he is absolutely proven wrong, doesn't mean I'm like that.

That investigation is not a minus for her. In fact, Obama making an issue of it will help her, since it shows she took the right stand quickly to stop a bad cop in exactly the way you or I would.

You're right that this takes a lot away from the experience argument... but only to an extent. She is still a governor and has many years of executive experience before being governor. If she fucks up on the national stage, then her lack of experience become a tremendous problem. but if she is a smooth talked (she used to be a sports announcer, and I think she speaks well), then I think she can convince people that she is an experienced leader. Certainly, she's far more experienced than Obama... and she actually has more executive experience than Obama, Mccain, Biden, Hillary, and me.

Posted by: ▄█▀ █■█ █ █▄ █▄ at August 29, 2008 11:09 AM (8jYMc)

195 Oh, and if Mccain does not flip on ANWR, then he's wasting an awesome opportunity, and I will admit I'm wrong about his intelligence. He needs to. I guess that's just wishful thinking, but seriously... he needs to.

Posted by: ▄█▀ █■█ █ █▄ █▄ at August 29, 2008 11:11 AM (8jYMc)

196 Karl Rove you magnificent bastard!

Posted by: sirsurfalot at August 29, 2008 11:12 AM (Czvjx)

197 CNN's take: "She's an inexperienced token who is putting her career over the needs of her Down Syndrome baby."

Nuanced.

Posted by: Bender Bending Rodriguez at August 29, 2008 11:16 AM (1z2o+)

198 I cannot wait for the VP debate. Biden was going to say something stupid and condescending no matter who he was matched up against, but anyone want to bet that he calls her "Sugar" or "Sweetheart" at some point?

Posted by: Sean at August 29, 2008 11:20 AM (3LifV)

199 You know, when you think about it, it's amazing that in this country, the most powerful in the world, a woman who was merely a mayor a couple of years ago had managed to rise up, fight corruption and make the voters happy, and is actually within reach of our most powerful position.

I realize I'm undercutting myself a bit, but it's just fucking cool that if you work hard enough, you can ascend. Palin doesn't have the Chicago crooks elevating her. She's got an 80% approval rating doing that.

I'm seeing Obama's people say that experience is off the table... as if, but they are also attacking Palin for lacking foreign policy experience (and Obama has tons because he went to school in Indonesia). They are totally mixing their message from channel to channel.

But damn, it's a hell of a risk, and she needs to be a badass in that debate. While it's fair to note that Biden is facing a challenge, Palin is too. She can't act like a victim, and she has to hit hard on the issues. I think she can, no problem. Look at how Obama has been elevated on nothing. But she is going to have to really get her shit together.

Posted by: ▄█▀ █■█ █ █▄ █▄ at August 29, 2008 11:27 AM (8jYMc)

200 Biden needs to tread carefully on the foreign experience issue. Basically all of the hot topics regarding Russia's adventures, Middle East stuff and China have one thing in common. Oil. What does Alaska have? Oil. Drill here, drill now, indeed.

Posted by: sirsurfalot at August 29, 2008 11:32 AM (Czvjx)

201 I cannot wait to see the poll results regarding how many Hillary supporters will vote McCain?Palin now! Before it was roughly 28% I am thinking it will be about 38 to 40% now.

Posted by: sirsurfalot at August 29, 2008 11:41 AM (Czvjx)

202 Shill-

You really need to calm down. You're not winning any arguments by screaming and insulting. I'll use small words so as not to lose you.

There's a reason both Bart and I, people who live here, disagree with your claim that Romney is a flip flopper. That reason is because he isn't. He ran as a Republican in the bluest state in the Union. Let that sink in, bluer than NY, bluer than CA, bluer than anywhere. We don't have a Republican in Congress and not a single state wide officer. Both houses of our legislature are veto proof Dem. Sure, you could run a campaign as a died in the wool conservative, and you would lose every single time. This isn't Texas, not Tenn, not even Arkansas.

So, what's a Republican to do? Run with somewhat moderate positions and win both Independents and and even some Dems. It is the only way as has been proven here, repeatedly. This is exactly what Romney did, he moderated his positions to get elected. He never swore off Republican positions, he said just enough to give him wiggle room. But, when he won and actually governed, he pissed off the liberals and most Dems because he governed as a conservative. I really don't give a fuck what articles from the Boston Globe you find. I was here. I lived in the state. From fiscal issues, to social issues, to immigration issues where he was one of the only governors to enroll in a joint federal/state program to have the state police turn in illegals, he governed as conservative as possible in a state where he had to work with a veto proof Dem legislature. The fact he was able to get anything done, including balancing a budget without raising taxes and dealing the entrenched cronyism in agencies like the MA Turnpike Authority is frankly remarkable. Take a good look at who replaced Romney, Deval Patrick, an Obama clone. That's MA.

The only reason the flip flopper shit got any traction is because the Globe and Dem politicians in this state, most notably Kerry, have a hardon for Romney after the way he governed and the campaigns of both Huck and McCain both ran with it, sliming the shit out of Romney while all the while bitching that he as going negative and people like you keep repeating it. That's how reputations are made, particularly in politics. Constantly repeated crap gets taken as fact. If you don't know that by now you don't know much about politics and certainly not MA politics.

Incidentally, in one of the articles you sited, Joe Arpaio, the hardest of hard asses on illegal immigration, backed Romney. So did Tancredo. Many evangelical and religious leaders backed Romeny. He was supported by CPAC, the Heritage Foundation, National Review, and on an on and on. People with impeccable conservative cred. Against that he had the Boston Globe, McCain, Huck and people like you.

Gee, who to trust.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 29, 2008 11:46 AM (VBon8)

203 Don't worry Shill. You're still a winner in my book. Hell, I like you, son. You remind me of me when I was younger and suffering from severe head trauma.

Posted by: krakatoa at August 29, 2008 11:55 AM (lxcmS)

204 So glad McCain is in Ohio. Being a lifelong Michigan resident, I acknowledge there has been a LONG time football rivalry and such. Truth be told though, Ohio is a good neighbor and I have enjoyed my travels there. That being said, Ohio just as before, will be an important part of this election. This is huge.

Posted by: sirsurfalot at August 29, 2008 11:57 AM (Czvjx)

205

"CNN's take: "She's an inexperienced token who is putting her career over the needs of her Down Syndrome baby."

Nuanced."

I love that. Her immediate response should be that she can handle the extra work that comes from having a Down Syndrome baby as well as being VP, and since she's not a Democrat, she certainly wasn't going to abort the child just to advance her career, like a Donk would have. OUCH!

Posted by: Sharkman at August 29, 2008 12:03 PM (UioS4)

206 krakatoa, you're free to disagree with me all day. It's cool. to be honest, I actually think we are on the same page and you misinterpreted what I was trying to argue (which is because I was responding to a classless honorless asshole, Jackstraw, and didn't take the time to explain what my core point was). As long as you don't refuse to be intellectually honest, I sincerely welcome you to call me out all damn day (and I realize this sounds fucking gay... sorry).

Jackstraw: you asserted that I lost a debate with you, in a hostile and stupid way that was clearly dishonest. I can quote if you like. All you asked me to do was show that Romney flips on more than abortion. That was not hard for me to show. It was you making the ridiculous assertion that Romney was the victim of pro-life activists (I am not one). I don't even have a problem with Romney, as is clear to anyone who reads the thread, though I admit I only accept him because he's no worse than any of the other assholes we ran this year.

You were extremely dishonest. Your refusal to accept simple quotes because you 'can't accept the source' is something I expect to read on Democratic Underground. I've been all over this board, admitting if someone I'm arguing with makes a point. Retracting my position if good facts suggest I'm wrong. At worst, I ask someone to explain what they mean when I disagree with them. Usually, I just say "I disagree on X".

You got that friendly treatment from me until the point that you lied about me. It's that simple. I cussed you out, obviously in humor, but I now just say you clearly are not a man, and you clearly do not have honor. That's a lot harsher than my cussing you out, though the sentiment is the same.

No one but the most die-hard truly believes that Romney is magically better than virtually all other politicians and has never flip-flopped at all. Your position was extreme and it's not impressive that I was able to refute it many times over. Your refusal to accept well proven facts just shows that you're an honorless halfwit. I will harass you about it for a long time, because I, a person who values honesty, am just mentally allergic to assholes like you.

If someone has a problem with me cussing on this board, they are probably looking for an excuse to hide their total failure. Cocksucker.

Posted by: ▄█▀ █■█ █ █▄ █▄ at August 29, 2008 12:09 PM (8jYMc)

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Like, say, the 2012 primaries.

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