Breaking; Negotiations Between Hill and Obama Have "Ceased;" Obama Now Merely Telling Hillary What's Going to Happen

Possible Plan to Scrap Roll Call Entirely in Favor of Written Ballot (Which Woud Be Untelevised, and Perhaps Not Even at the Convention)

Alternate plan: Roll call begins tomorrow, but ends at 1:15. Then the call for unanimous acclimation of Obama.

Another plan: Each state reads its delegates' votes... but only Obama's numbers are mentioned. Hillary's delegate counts are omitted entirely. Thus, instead of saying "The Great State of Iowa casts (whatever) 44 votes for Hillary Clinton, and sixty-six votes for the next president of the United States, Barack Obama," they just say "Iowa casts sixty six votes for the next president of the United States, Barack Obama."

That's not how it traditionally works. At least I've always heard the vote-split way of announcing the delegate count.

On FoxNews now. Hill's Angels are getting pissed off.

I don't blame them, really. No one watches the roll call. More will watch this one, but what, exactly, is the problem? Everyone knows Hillary won nearly 50% of the delegates. What's the problem in having an announcement as to what everyone already knows?

Good Lord All Mighty, Obama is a vain, thin-skinned guy.

Bear in mind, this genius Obama is further annoying Hillary's delegates in the interests of "uniting the party."

It's 3 a.m. All Over Again: McCain's, and Hilary's, new ad:

Man, if that ad was racist when Hillary ran it, I can't wait to find out how extra-special racist it is now that it's McCain's.

Thanks to KP.

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1 Good Lord All Mighty, Obama is a vain, thin-skinned guy.

Pretty much says it all.

Posted by: JorgXMcKie at August 26, 2008 05:18 PM (1Sf5X)

2 Talking about Obama's skin? Raaaaaccisssst!

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Posted by: DrewM. at August 26, 2008 05:19 PM (hlYel)

3 wow, his ability to hope and change is amazing. Seeing what his leadership has done for his party is sort of like the amazing things that the democrat party has done for Detroit and Philadelphia. I can't wait to see him (snark) apply those skills to the UN.

Posted by: joeindc44 at August 26, 2008 05:20 PM (QxSug)

4 "...thin-skinned guy."

Racist.

Posted by: ECM at August 26, 2008 05:22 PM (q3V+C)

5 to steal a copy previous comments:
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good lord, what a clueless prick Obama is, and his minders can't be much better.
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Posted by: Frank G at August 26, 2008 05:22 PM (P0rQD)

6 Denver 08: the summer of love, the autumn of liberalism.

Posted by: Joe Mama at August 26, 2008 05:23 PM (QA8jC)

7 You know I wasn't going to drink tonight but fuck this. I'm going to get plastered and enjoy the show. Last night I watched a lot of MSNBC and it was great. Tonight is going to be even better! Please let Hillary do something messed up and force Olberdouche into an unscripted spittleflecked tirade. Come on man, I deserve this. If Olbermann and Scarbourough get in a fist fight on live TV I'll probably die laughing. Since I'm pretty much out of money and reason's to live it would be an opportune time. Come on Hillary and supporters now is not the time to be reasonable.

Posted by: Big E at August 26, 2008 05:23 PM (uw1/g)

8 The reason for having the convention is to elect the party candidate. To not have a roll call would disenfranchise nearly half the delegates.

Yes, the race is over, but to do it under the table would be a huge gift to McCain and the RNC who will make sure to show every vote "counted" live and in full color.

If they can't come to an agreement on a motion for a unanimous vote on the floor, at the very least -- they'll hand McCain 5 points in the polls that they'll never get back.

Posted by: mesablue at August 26, 2008 05:24 PM (5yNaE)

9 Scorched Earth!
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C'mon Hill, you know you want to.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at August 26, 2008 05:24 PM (ItxWA)

10 This calls for a stabbin'!

Posted by: jazz at August 26, 2008 05:24 PM (sUWlR)

11 The comment about Obama's vanity makes me wonder something...

If someone at the Dem convention did a karaoke version of "You're So Vain", how many people in the room would think the song was about them?

On a more serious note, Obama starting to dictate terms to Hillary when he doesn't even own a clear majority of the delegates is a REALLY bad idea for him (and, indirectly, McCain since Obama's the weaker candidate).

That may be enough to start a last-minute revolt by the PUMA crowd and secure enough delegates to force a floor-vote on TV. (I think the requirement is like 700 signed delegates... and I'm sure she'll be able to get it.)

Posted by: BrandonInBatonRouge at August 26, 2008 05:24 PM (0sy47)

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13 wow, has any political convention in this country simply caused a vote to not occur?

Posted by: joeindc44 at August 26, 2008 05:26 PM (QxSug)

Hillary doesn't have to fall in love. She has to fall in line.

Posted by: BumperStickerist at August 26, 2008 05:27 PM (NnAGL)

15 Is it me, or do the Fox news folks seem especially giddy tonight?

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at August 26, 2008 05:28 PM (ItxWA)

16 Oh, and not only that, but Governor Granholm is now giving Kwame a hearing on his removal from office on Sept. 3. Who's gonna stir the soup in Detroit when ol' Kwame's gone?

/Kwame, how I love ya'

Posted by: jazz at August 26, 2008 05:28 PM (sUWlR)

It is getting curiouser and curiouser. I just hope the Democrats implode.

Chuck

Posted by: Chuck at August 26, 2008 05:28 PM (SGhbl)

18 Did anyone in Obama's camp ask Bill what happens if you try to TELL hillary what to do?
Didn't think so.
His inexperience , and his lack of a clue at all, will get him toasted.
How many want to bet that MO told him to tell Hillary where to get off?

Posted by: mbruce at August 26, 2008 05:29 PM (h/5U0)

19 No. You. Can't.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 26, 2008 05:29 PM (VBon8)

20 How many want to bet that MO told him to tell Hillary where to get off?

Lord, I hope that's what happened... and that they got it on video.

Posted by: BrandonInBatonRouge at August 26, 2008 05:30 PM (0sy47)

21 Ted Sorensen just gushed about being able to help two extraordinary candidates in his lifetime; JFK and BHO. Is he saying that he ghost-wrote Barry's best sellers too?

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at August 26, 2008 05:34 PM (ItxWA)

.Good Lord All Mighty, Obama is a vain, thin-skinned guy.

He's John Kerry with a thinner resume and more dysfunctional childhood. Where Kerry responded to every criticism with haughty, faux-macho bluster, Obama respondes with haughty, passive-aggressive petulant whining. Both are fucking crybabies with super inflated senses of their own importance. The thin-skin stems from their elitism; both considered themselves better and smarter than their critics, and couldn't respond to the criticism without throwing tantrums.

Posted by: UGAdawg at August 26, 2008 05:36 PM (nCZtb)

23
Hillary doesn't care for the taste of Humble Pie. Revenge, served cold, is on the menu.

Posted by: The Chewbacca Defense at August 26, 2008 05:36 PM (nuuDA)

24 BumperStickerist won the inturnate

Posted by: David Ross at August 26, 2008 05:39 PM (GwV+j)

25 Actually, I don't get this Hillary thing at all. What exactly is she hoping to gain? She lost. Yea, it was close but she lost. This need for a catharsis is so unctuous and Dr. Phil like it makes me want to puke. For any voters she may be gaining with this act she is pissing off even more.

Not that I mind her taking down Obama with her, mind you.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 26, 2008 05:39 PM (VBon8)

26 Hillary doesn't care for the taste of Humble Pie. Revenge, served cold, is on the menu.

That is something I've been secretly storing in the awesomely awesome cabinet: when BHO fails, and really, come on, he will, the Clintonista reprisals are going to be bloody. I think it's a credit to the democrat party that they, for the most part, haven't even figured this out. Maybe -aside from FEMA camps in Iraq- lefties are simply unable to comprehend threats or danger.

Posted by: joeindc44 at August 26, 2008 05:39 PM (QxSug)

27 when BHO fails, and really, come on, he will, the Clintonista reprisals are going to be bloody.

Word. Say good night Howie Dean, et al.
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Posted by: DelD at August 26, 2008 05:48 PM (02ASb)

Preview of Obama administration: "Hey, you know this voting shit is potentially ambarrasing, 'cause we might not win, which is of course racist, so how can we get around it?!"

Maybe the Hillaryites are doing us all a big favor here.

Posted by: sherlock at August 26, 2008 05:49 PM (xqzGc)

29 The convention isn't about party unity, it's about Barry.
Just for the entertainment value, I hope the PUMA's raise hell.

Posted by: GarandFan at August 26, 2008 05:52 PM (eJ32B)

30 This just proves that Hillary was never ever going to be Obama's Veep.

Posted by: Bart at August 26, 2008 05:52 PM (Q/pav)

31 This reminds of the scene in Animal House at the chaotic parade scene, Keven Back is yelling; ""Remain calm. All is well!" Instead of Kevin Bacon, it's Keith Olbermann in his bath tub yelling from the MSLSD set with Joe Scarborough throwing rubber duckies at Keithy....

Posted by: sergei at August 26, 2008 05:54 PM (AGMH1)

32 Is it possible Obama is afraid of a public fight with Hillary for the nomination?

Now that Florida and Michigan have their full delegation, and there are so many super delegates who are not bound by the voters in primary elections, can't Hillary still win? I think Obama is afraid of an ambush.

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33 No. You. Can't.

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Posted by: kempermanx at August 26, 2008 06:01 PM (2+9Yx)

35 Obama and his crowd do this now and Bill Clinton gives his big speech tonight?
And some people think Obama is up to dealing with the Russians???

Somewhere, an alternate universe is missing a whole bunch of village idiots.

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Posted by: prairiemain at August 26, 2008 06:03 PM (oPAYR)

Actually, I don't get this Hillary thing at all. What exactly is she hoping to gain? She lost. Yea, it was close but she lost. This need for a catharsis is so unctuous and Dr. Phil like it makes me want to puke. For any voters she may be gaining with this act she is pissing off even more.

Not that I mind her taking down Obama with her, mind you.

Last time I checked, she had over $20 million on campaign debt, with some $13 million out of her pocket. Apparently Obama hasn't been as helpful in soliciting donations for her as she'd like- no doubt he'd rather keep the money in his own campaign.

Plus- these are the Clintons we're talking about. She's in no danger of losing her Senate seat, so what does she gain from Obama getting elected? McCain wins and she can run in 2012. If Obama wins, she's shut out until 2016.

She'll give the appearance of supporting Obama, but only to the minimum level needed not to generate a significant backlash. And her supporters do have a point- the Obama camp could've done a lot more Clinton ass-kissing; in fact it would've been smart to do so. That he hasn't has more to do with ego than campaign tactics.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at August 26, 2008 06:12 PM (rf03a)

37 Guilty Pleasure: Enjoying the dem convention more than the dems are.

Posted by: Steve at August 26, 2008 06:21 PM (ob1nV)

As very many commenters have already said, Barak Hussein Obama is clearly someone who can�t handle criticism, let alone honest adult criticism. He clearly has a deep sense of entitlement, is unaccustomed to losing (sort of like a slightly fat and very spoiled rich snot), and seems easily willing to deposit blame on others. It's the Chicago Elitist Leftist Liberal way.

Throw in his resume, highlight his list of mediocre job performances (yet, in hindsight, he�s really had it easy) and questionable associations, and he really can�t stand public scrutiny.

Hillary Clinton also hates to lose, and has an equally deep sense of entitlement. She probably feels, very strongly, that this nomination has been stolen from her. A better analysis shows that she was outplayed, with some clear ethnic voting going against her. But there is a very real chance that she has more votes than BHO, certainly if "buyer�s remorse" is allowed.

I think that, given the revelations of the past 2 months, maybe longer, very many operators in the Democratic apparatus have severe doubts about BHO; his judgement, ability to lead, electability, etc. It�s possible that many "other" delegates (from Edwards and others) will not vote for BHO on the first ballot, and Hillary could win.

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Posted by: Arbalest at August 26, 2008 06:22 PM (1j+ex)

39 What exactly is she hoping to gain?

I imagine she would like to pay off her debts and it is traditional that the candidate helps to do that by raising money. But, Obama has given her the finger. So, she gains nothing by being cooperative with him.

The press helped her lose because they were so enamored with Obama. Also, it is her supporters who feel screwed. What is Obama going to do when after they remove the roll call from the floor, all her delegates start booing him when they say he won? That's going to look embarasssing on national television.

Posted by: grc at August 26, 2008 06:22 PM (YleVG)

40 Ace: I believe some states are winner take all. So, what happens when they announce, "The great state of California casts 400 (or whatever the number) votes for Hillary Clinton"?

Posted by: grc at August 26, 2008 06:25 PM (YleVG)

DrewM:

As for the topic...can one OD on awesome and schadenfreude?

I've OD'd three times today already. In my cube, chuckling....then giggling hysterically. The coworkers are beginning to worry.....those that are'nt giggling right along with me.

Posted by: Steve at August 26, 2008 06:25 PM (ob1nV)

42 Ha ha ha. Oh no, my neighbors think I'm a loon. I laugh too loud at "extra special racist."

Note to self: close patio doors before reading AOS.

Posted by: bour3 at August 26, 2008 06:26 PM (9YONe)

43 So, is this how highly nuanced diplomacy that the left is always talking about works?

Awesome.

Posted by: Warden at August 26, 2008 06:30 PM (QoR4a)

44 >>So, is this how highly nuanced diplomacy that the left is always talking about works?

excellent point

Obama can't successfully negotiate with Hillary so let's turn him loose on Iran.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 26, 2008 06:34 PM (VBon8)

45 My cup overfloweth with sweet, sweet awesomeness nectar!!

Love ya, Hillary!

snort

Posted by: Stormy70 at August 26, 2008 06:35 PM (Y+o71)

46 So, what happens when they announce, "The great state of California casts 400 (or whatever the number) votes for Hillary Clinton"?

The 30% or so of disgruntled Hillary supporters going to McCain are replaced by 30% or so of disgruntled Obama supporters going to McCain.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at August 26, 2008 06:37 PM (ItxWA)

47 I think the Democratic Party is terrified something unexpected or problematic happens that throws the nomination to Senator Clinton instead of Senator Obama. That would basically ruin the party's lock hold on blacks and end them as a real force in America for at least a few election cycles.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 26, 2008 06:44 PM (0+Ggj)

Bill committed perjury, covered it up, and retained the Presidency. And he, and Hillary, are just going to let Obama walk away with it? I think Obama's right to be worried.

Though it's likely that nothing will happen because Obama won't take any chances. He's going to hang on to his shot just as hard as Bill hung on to the office in 98.

Posted by: Bel Aire at August 26, 2008 07:02 PM (ocHBO)

49 This is stupid. Just do the stupid friggin roll call. What's the big deal?
The super delegates vote with the floor so they have to go on record. What a bunch of friggin cowards.

Posted by: Rocks at August 26, 2008 07:04 PM (7rbe9)

This is stupid. Just do the stupid friggin roll call. What's the big deal?
The super delegates vote with the floor so they have to go on record. What a bunch of friggin cowards.

Pretty much. They're worried about any public airing of discord during the convetion, yet the steps they're taking to hide it are doing more to sow it than had they just let the Clinton supporters blow off a little steam.

Democrats: Snatching defeat from the jaws of victory since 1988.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at August 26, 2008 07:18 PM (rf03a)

51 Ah, yes. It's that famous Obama diplomacy that we've heard so much about.

The Uniter, indeed.

Posted by: JohnJ at August 26, 2008 07:57 PM (d99WE)

52 Hey Obamessiah, the ghost of Vince Foster just floated into the room here & told me to beware the Ides of November. That, and he mumbled something about Chelsea Clinton dancing before her father & his guests and getting told she could have whatever she wished for....like someone's head on a plate.

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