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| McCain Camp "Predicts" Huge Obama Convention Bounce Nearly Equal to Clinton's 16 Point "Superbounce" in 1992Um, it's elevating expectations, of course; the argument that Obama is similarly situated to Clinton and will get a 15 point Superbounce doesn't really persuade me, exactly. (But see below for the memo and draw your own conclusions.) Here's the thing: the McCain argument is not bad, but it fails (deliberately) to take into account that Obama is constantly overhyped as the New Abraham Lincoln and New JFK by the Liberal Media Spirit Squad. This produces outsized expectations, of course, and when the public actually sees this buffoon in action, they wonder what the hell the hype is all about. Obama has a long and growing history of "crucial, game-changing" speeches and debates in which he basically comes off as inspirational as the feces-tube in a shrimp's back. So the McCain camp's spin isn't all spin. 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On the other side of that If chasm, though, is... well, anything from no bounce at all to a net loss as even more Americans are exposed to "Obama Magic" and, once again, make the racist determination that The One has no Halo. As usual, I have no frickin' idea what will happen. One can't just split the difference and say "8 point bounce" -- because it seems to me the split-the-difference moderate outcome is the least likely of all. Much more likely are the "extreme" outcomes (extreme in quotes, because they're not really that extreme in terms of probability). Either Obama tanks it (again) or merely manages to read the teleprompter without drooling all over himself, or he finally becomes The Man Prophecied By the MSM Oracles and wows the country and walks to the Presidency without breaking a sweat. Usually candidates like being heard by the public "unfiltered," without the spin and interference of the media. In Obama's case -- "unfiltered" is usually bad for him. The MSM doesn't interfere with his message; they run interference for him. This will be the biggest stage Obama's ever stood upon, and almost every likely voter will be watching. This time, almost everyone will see precisely who this Lamb of Chicago really is, and whether or not he's Amazing Orator they've been told to death he is. The MSM will of course try to rescue him with excuses and ridiculous proclamations of "thrills down the leg" after his speech. But that will be of little use -- everyone will have seen him in action, and can judge for themselves. Dangerous for Obama. But who knows. I figure it: 20% tanks -- zero or negative bounce 40% very meh but not damaging -- modest 2-5 point bounce 30% hits a home run -- 10-12 point bounce 10% somewhere in the middle, 6-9 points Anyway, here's the memo.Monday marks the beginning of the Democratic National Convention in Denver. A combination of factors makes this particular convention historic on many levels. Democrats have just completed an incredibly compelling primary cycle that has both energized and divided the Democratic Party. Because of the unique nature of the Democratic primary, we believe Obama will receive a significant bump from his convention. This cycle mirrors Bill Clintons Democratic convention in 1992: A historic 16-point bump. Barack Obama is more similarly situated to Bill Clinton in 1992 than any other candidate in recent history. Bill Clinton was a new candidate on the national scene; he was running in a change oriented election cycle and the economy was voters top issue -- a dynamic he was able to capitalize on. He received a 16-point bump coming out of his convention. Obama is also a new candidate in a change-oriented environment. And, like Bill Clinton, he will spend the convention presenting himself as the agent of change who will fix the economy. Obama will ride his VP bump. In addition to Obama taking advantage of the political environment, he will announce his Vice Presidential candidate late this week. This announcement typically gives a candidate a 5-point temporary bump that dissipates. However, Obamas timing allows him to maximize his Vice Presidential bump and sustain press attention for the course of the week. He will ride the wave of an announcement from late this week (announcement expected by Saturday) through his speech on Thursday. This means that whatever bump he gains from the announcement has the potential to be lasting. Obama will correct his underperformance with Hillary Clintons primary voters and emerge with a much more cohesive base. This convention gives Obama a platform to unite his base. There continues to be a divide in the Democratic base: Between 10-15% of Democrats are voting for McCain or sitting on the fence. In target states, that number is even higher, between 15-20% in many surveys. The Obama campaign knows that winning or losing in states like Ohio, Michigan and Pennsylvania depends on Obamas ability to bring these voters home. If his convention successfully showcases Hillary Clinton and heals the wounds from the primary, he will move large groups of voters in those key places. Obamas stadium address on Thursday -- the 45th anniversary of Rev. Martin Luther King Jr.s I Have A Dream speech -- will result in effusive and overwhelming press coverage. On Thursday, Obama will give a great speech, as has been his trademark. The press will sing his praises and remark on his historic address and Obamas place in history. For example, The Associated Press today published an article comparing the historic nature of the addresses a week before Obamas speech. This coverage will be impenetrable and will undoubtedly impact the polls. We believe Obama will see a significant bump, and believe it is reasonable to expect nearly a 15-point bounce out of a convention in this political environment.Because Obama's such a dink, I'll personally set the bar at a 40 point bounce, and state that anything less than that proves that Obama is unfit to lead and a bit of douchebag to boot. Comments1
I liked the strategy of The One/Celebrity series of ads. They took the visual triumph of the upcoming stadium speech and turned it into a liability.
Posted by: toby hussein 928 at August 22, 2008 05:46 PM (evdj2) 2
especially with the Mussolini chin jut that Obama affects. Lots of closeups, please
Posted by: toby hussein 928 at August 22, 2008 05:48 PM (evdj2) 3
He'll get a good sized bounce out of it, 8-10 points, because he'll do fine. Remember what launched this whole thing was his speech at the 2004 convention (well that and Jerri Ryan's prudish attitudes towards sex clubs).
Despite all our hope for some drama and mass protests, the whole thing will come off pretty well for the cameras and the Invesco Field thing will be a hit. Then...everyone will go away for Labor Day and come back to the Republican convention and it'll tighten back up again. Posted by: DrewM. at August 22, 2008 05:54 PM (hlYel) 4
I don't believe he has a speech, with actual substance, in him that would power him ahead for good. Yes, he gives a very good speech, but the empty platitudes we've heard over the last few months only reinforce the "there's no there, there" problem. We have already heard everything he has to say, what will be different this time?
He was a big hit with that speech he gave back at that other Dem convention, but it was big and electrifying 'cause it was the first time we heard it, and him. We've pretty much heard it ad nauseum since then. To get the indies, he'll need to offer the things that his fringe won't allow. Posted by: Ken at August 22, 2008 06:12 PM (sISAL) 5
Obama has reached his support's critical mass. Plus, nobody "independent" or "undecided" watches the conventions. If Obama gets any bounce, it will be gone and forgotten by the first debate.
Posted by: Bart at August 22, 2008 06:13 PM (LLT2j) 6
You probably already mentioned something like this, but McCain is inflating expectations so that the bump will not appear large--whatever it is. Smart salesmanship. Good thing I'm not delivering a speech. My bump always inflates large. Course, I'm AOS Lifestyle party fixture. Posted by: rdbrewer at August 22, 2008 06:14 PM (CrSOk) 7
And apparently I hate the word "an."
Posted by: rdbrewer at August 22, 2008 06:15 PM (CrSOk) 8
He's a tool. I predict 5 to 7% bounce. He appeals to the other fucknuts that think he speaks directly to God.
Posted by: mastour de bater at August 22, 2008 06:21 PM (edBky) 9
In this age of instantaneous communications and a seemingly structural case of societal ADD , there is absolutely no reason to assume that conventions do much of anything any more. Frankly, any 'bounce' will be of as much lasting duration as Obama's Berlin Bounce. Before even a 'good' convention might take hold in the oozing public consciousness the Republican Convention will be stepping all over its effects, and then something else even shinier will divert public attention.
It's not 1952 any more or even 1968. Conventions don't matter. They are just speechifying exercises by and for politicians. Most people won't even bother to watch ANY of them. Now before the MSM began its campaign to become a fill fledged propaganda machine, its opinion of the convention might have influenced many people who did not watch the actual act. Now ---- not so much. Bottom line ---- maybe 2-5 points for about 4 days. Then --- nothing. Personally I think it will be far closer to 2 than to 5. But I'm not too bright so--- Posted by: dougf at August 22, 2008 06:21 PM (16GPT) 10
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Whatever bounce Obrother gets will quickly "deflate" when the harsh realities of gasoline north of $3.50 a gallon and, if played properly, the William Ayers relationship come to light
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 22, 2008 06:34 PM (zpaDL) 12
Dude, we're completely tapped out right now.
All we got left is a few toothless nags with horns that are broken. Were they not the only thing left in stock, they'd be headed to the glue factory. All the breeding mares are knocked up, but they ain't due to deliver until well after the election. Posted by: The Unicorn Farm at August 22, 2008 06:58 PM (6L459) 13
The difference is there is no Perot to siphon off votes from the GOP like there was in 1992. Also, McCain is proving to be a bit tougher than Mr Thousand points of light or Mr compassionate conservative.
Posted by: Ann NY at August 22, 2008 07:03 PM (nG/mN) 14
almost every likely voter will be watching. Not me. I bet a lot of others will take a pass, as well.
Posted by: sauropod at August 22, 2008 07:10 PM (J9J4M) 15
I think I'll wait till the highlights reel comes out.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at August 22, 2008 07:15 PM (6L459) 16
How much of Clinton's '92 bounce was due to Perot coming out right after the Democratic convention and saying, "Gee, well these fellers are so on the ball and have so many of the right answers, I guess I don't need to run for President any more,"?
And the press was all, "YAYYYYYY!!!!!! BEST CONVENTION EVAH!" WTF was that anyway? I'm still convinced that the big eared nutjob got in the race just to fuck Bush over. First he dropped out and praised Clinton to give him momentum, then he jumped back in to siphon of the conservatives who were still dumb enough to follow him. Posted by: Warden at August 22, 2008 07:37 PM (QoR4a) 17
Bush I didn't return a call. I kid you not. That's what happens when you don't return a call from Ross "The Sensitive Hulk" Perot.
Posted by: rdbrewer at August 22, 2008 07:49 PM (CrSOk) 18
Obama is already at 43-45 and there is no way this will put him over 50%.
This won't do much because how is this bigger then the Race Speech? Or Berlin? Conventions give big bounces because for a lot how the public it's the first time they have heard a candidate speak for more than 5 minutes. Obama has shot that wad already. 5-7 point bounce max. Posted by: Rocks at August 22, 2008 08:25 PM (7rbe9) 19
One speech by Obama will not result in a bounce for the guy. He's already been overexposed by the media to the point where people are sick and tired of hearing about him. More important will be the freaks on the street who will be fighting with the police, throwing urine and feces and generally making complete fools of themselves. Those people are the true believers and once America gets an eye full of them.....game over. Just like in 1968.
Posted by: jackv at August 22, 2008 09:00 PM (CkkNN) 20
I just hope the "debates" aren't rigged to "assist" the teleprompter reading genius, Obama. In other words, I hope the format isn't fiddled with in such a way there isn't a real debate--that there's merely a series of speeches. McCain would kick Obama's idiot ass in a freewheeling discussion. Posted by: rdbrewer at August 22, 2008 09:02 PM (CrSOk) 21
The whole media situation is completely different this time around. Most of the country didn't know Clinton going in, there are very few undecideds this time around. 2 to 5 sounds about right, but where does he actually stand right now?
Posted by: cv at August 22, 2008 09:33 PM (SKj4z) 22
Reality Check -- the Convention game has changed. No longer can a party fill the airways with their spew and expect not to have constant critique of their spew. Obama is likely to get less than a 10 point bump.
Talk Radio, Blogs and YouTube have changed all of this. Obama can spew away, but you can expect quick rebuttals from serious to comical to be made of his spew. Perhaps it's just the segments of the net and talk radio I hang out with, but the last couple weeks of this campaign show the conservative side of the political spectrum (including, but not limited to McCain's campaign) to becoming very adept at using the outlets available to them to 'stir' the pot. Many times in significantly humorous format. IMHO, a lot of McCain's gains are related to the Red side of political humor being significantly funnier and appealing to the silent majority than anything the left is putting forth. Most of their stuff is just more of the same old same old negative campaign stuff, mixed with some Alice in Obamaland fantasy stuff. Posted by: Dr Fred at August 22, 2008 10:36 PM (JbxXM) 23
Obama will do well. Although the stadium thing might hurt him given McCains celebriity criticism. This is exactly is type of event. Tele-prompter and all. The media could kill him though. The hype is going to be even worse than we are becoming accustomed to. There could be blowback from that. The media are stooping to new journalistic lows everyday. Wait until late October. It's going to be unbearable.
Posted by: Ralph at August 22, 2008 11:41 PM (QZjCr) 24
As per the above comments, conventions have diminished in their importance, but they still have their points. Their biggest value is highlighting 'new talent' [hence OBH in '04...]; that being said, the donks are going in the opposite direction. The first night's speakers will be dominated by party hacks and losers...does ANYONE think that Carter is going to electrify the nation for Obama?!?!?
The other aspect of convention viewing is getting a 'sense' of a political party...the imagine they're projecting by intent, or letting slip out, unintentionally. Example: the donk '04 convention. On the 2nd night (if I remember correctly...), they made BIG show of patriotism; the camera panned over a sea of delegates waving 'personal-sized' American flags. All-in-all, very nice imagery. After the speeches, Kirk Cameron [yeah, I was watching FOX...surprise, surprise...] was out on the convention floor doing his 'wrap-up' of night's activities. At first he was standing in front of the camera, but then he sat down; as he sat the camera followed him down [keeping him 'centered'...]. As he sat and talked, he picked up from the floor an American flag, one of MANY laying there. So many in fact that I couldn't SEE the floor. For ANYONE watching that segment by Cameron [it could'nt have been more than 2 minutes...], the entire presentation of the 2nd night: 'look we're patriotic too!' was BLOWN TO PIECES. That convention hall floor, carpeted with discarded flags told me everything I needed to know about the democrat party...and the delegates attending it. We'll see if the '08 convention has a sterner 'no littering' policy. Posted by: CPT. Charles at August 23, 2008 07:21 AM (fenBi) 25
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