1 This is what the hand wringing bed wetting lefturds don't get. The unique power of American intent and strength of will , when projected from the Chief Executive, can be enough to move mountains,,, or stop rodent faced bullies. Without. firing. a . shot.

2
>“Bush and McCain made their strongest speeches yet. The Russians seemed to back down. Bush and McCain have been very good for us.”

um... Lightworkers?

Seriously though, the Russian Bear dancing around on other peoples yards makes the voters nervous.  Obama and his moral equivalence (vis-a-vis Russia in Georgia is the same as America in Iraq) winning the election is also Russia's best chance for further land grabs. 

The padawan Maoist jedi disciple of Bill Ayers will not stop them.

3 I'm glad we haven't had to fight, but man, these peopel deserve more than merely not having a demolished capital.

the looting going on by an organized force the size of Russia's is fucking ridiculous.  We give out little receipts for anything we take on the battlefield and pay money for it.  They are ripping fridges and essential cooking items out of the homes of people who are having a hard time right now... just to take to their camps for the big party.  If they need liquor, they put guns to heads until they get it.

In response, the Russian Embassy in Georgia is surrounded by vodka, fridges, forks, etc, given by angry Georgians.  If Russia can't even supply their forces with discipline, then they will not be able to survive the Georgian insurgency.

If you live near Dupont Circle, get some valu-rite vodka, or an old fridge, or even just some plastic-ware, and take it to the Russian embassy.

The Russians are pathetic.  And if they didn't have nukes, I'd want that country destroyed.

4 Gee they don't seem to have much admiration for Senator Obama over there. Maybe that's why he stayed in countries like Germany and France eh?

5

"...if they didn't have nukes, I'd want that country destroyed."

Even with their nukes, I want that country destroyed. They serve no legitimate purpose.

Except the babes. Some of the Russian babes are pretty hot.

6 Michael Totten's been doing a man's job as an investigative correspondent in a very nasty part of the world.  So much so that any time I see his name mentioned in the title of a blog post, I fear that it's because he's just been killed trying to do what so many chicken-shit 'journalists' wish they had the stones to do.

7 Reading that I feel good about America and the west but I wish we could have done more.

8 The 64-bit question is, 'where does it stop?' I don't see Putin calling it quits anytime soon. He could move into the long-game mode of pulling back before UN sanctions, going back into Georgia, and then saying sorry. Rinse, lather, repeat. It sounds like Russia at large is baying for more blood. Why do I have the feeling that Russia has locked and loaded for an imperial campaign?

On the other hand, this whole pillage and rape thing did start about the same time gas floundered on the world market. So if I were a KosTard, I guess Boosh called Putin and had him put together this whole expedition to keep Exxon stock up...on orders from Cheney or something. Sorry, I don't do the conspiracy thing well. Maybe if I jab this meat thermometer up my nose?

9 adam, there is no doubt whatsoever that Russia did this partly to increase the cost of oil.  That's part of the reason his billionaire backers haven't had him shot for turning the entire world into Russia's enemy.  Human life means nothing to a Russian leader.  And I can understand that, being that they are subhumans themselves not worthy of life.

We need to get independent of foreign oil goddammmittttt.

They have the ability to kill all Americans, so we simply can't fix the mess.  Remember that this is because American liberals stole our nuclear secrets long ago in order to balance against American hegemony.   We have plenty of idiots who would gladly do the same.  Obama parroted Russia's lies at the onset of this crisis.  Shit's bad.  Can American overcome a nuclear superpower?  I think we may find out one day.  It will take a colossal amount of planning.  The only safe way to neuter Russia is from the inside.  We'd have to cultivate life-long Manchurian types.     Is there any other way?  If we could break the country up into dozens of small states, this would not be a problem.

10 The only safe way to neuter Russia is from the inside.

Sounds good. So, large shipments of ganja or just plain old French-strength ennui?

11

Sorry, but most of our foreign policy is the exportation of nanny statism, across international borders.

Foreign policy should be, either annexation/conquest, or outright destruction, this halfassed pussy bullshit, is what let these starving sand farmers public enemy number 1.

12 (checking map)

Barack Obama doesn't care about Caucasian people.

13 It was George F. Kennan, America’s ambassador to the Soviet Union, who said, “Russia can have at its borders only enemies or vassals.” Now, Georgia has been all but dismembered.


These two GEORGIAN provinces that the Russians presume to own contain the life of the entire nation. Without the oil rights and pipeline being GEORGIAN as sovereign territory dictates, Georgia is economically decapitated, emaciated.

This Putin/Medvedev atrocity against Georgia's integrity and liberty can not be tolerated and must be repudiated and rebuffed, at all costs but with all cunning and pervasive wisdom.

Georgians make better allies than our lax friends do. Those who deliberate merely to preserve their own lax state at the expense of liberty's existence feigning global stability need to visit Beijing and try their will against such a communist state of being.

Mentally, Americans got burnt on the "domino effect" as our Progressive Democrat government and media sold us guilt instead of acuity, leaving us living in a Marxist popular culture.

The Georgians have survived and liberated themselves from the Soviet cannibal government. They refuse to allow themselves to become subject to communism again. But to actually SURVIVE in the politico-economic world, they also need their own resources, not just their strong will to be free. Leaving the Georgians to survive merely on good will alone is not good will at all. Their national treasure can not be stripped by the Russians and tolerated by either Georgians or Georgia's "allies".

The Georgians recognized not only that America needed strong allies fighting terror nations, but that Iraqis needed strong allies in the establishment of national democracy. Finally, in the appreciative awareness of ALL that oil means as an enabler of all things good and evil, the Georgians need their own oil just as Iraq needs its own, just as America needs its own, to survive and thrive both domestically and internationally, particularly when bordering hell, aka Russia.

This is not merely a show-down. This is THE show-down with Putin's Russia. That Russians were so criminally saturated that democracy only enabled their mafia is Russia's problem. The West gave Russia every opportunity to become Western, and Russia chose to remain criminal opportunists utilizing their Soviet experience to mutate into its evil twin updated version, Putin's Fascism. Russia's aggression is NOT to be enabled or empowered by muted nuanced malleable ceremonial hand washing.

Of course Putin timed it so as to be most "inconvenient".

AS IF THE USA HAS NO CONTINGENCY PLAN?

Speak up, because the democrats still hold the damned majority on Capitol Hill.

Vote democrat MINORITY come November.

14 muse, I agree that the Democrats in congress are the primary problem here.  And that this Georgia is a problem for the whole world, not just the folks in Georgia.  Russia isn't going to relent until we stop them, so why wait until they are more powerful?  Yeah, it's not going to be easy.

Another big problem is Turkey.  They are impeding humanitarian efforts.  They did this before, in a way that could have been a huge strategic problem for the Iraqi invasion, but actually gave us a chance to surprise the fuck out of Saddam.  Turkey is not much of an ally.  Is it even feasible to have a carrier group in the black sea?  What we really need is a permanent Air Force base in Northern Iraq.

15

This is the third frickin' time I've linked to Caroline Glick ...you morons really, really need to spend some time reading Israel, Georgia and the nature of man.

And now she's just written a new, entirely relevant column on the same subject. Just click on "Home" when you're through reading the disturbing essay above. You'll be more disturbed.

...but more informed too, so there is that.

And put her website, www.carolineglick.com on your weekly reading list. She's one of the sharpest political analysts writing today.

She's one of us. Ahhh ...now I think on't, more like we're one of hers: I've been reading her stuff since before Bret Stephens left the JP for the WSJ, and she's the "con" in neocon. Brilliant.

She reminds me of listening to Rumsfield.

...I really, really miss Rummy.

16

I will say this for about the kajillionth time for all the leftard, "the-US-is-no-better-than-Putin" crowd (including, incredibly the presumptive nominee of a major party for President of the United States):

There are still people on this planet that know and remember in vivid detail what real tyranny is.  I just hope they don't let the rest of us ignore it and/or forget it.

17 davis, Rumsfield is a terrific man.

He works his ass off.  He inherited an army that had been gutted, and made a lot of sacrifices to get it as good as possible.  To win his battles with the Generals and congress, he relied on stubbornness.  I think that same attribute caused a lot of problems later on.

I think it would have been a huge mistake to invade Iraq with far more troops (the Shinseki plan).  We had to draw the bad guys out without giving them any more targets than we were forced to.  Flooding Iraq would have just meant more casualties.  But later on, it was clear that a surge was necessary, and we waited far too long to do it because Rumsfield was just plain stubborn.

He had to go.  I don't know if Gates is any better (he's not nearly as inspiring), but perhaps Rumsfield had to go because the war was being shifted and he wasn't letting it.

It's sick that a hero like Rumsfield isn't given respect.

Circa, I don't even know how to respond to Obama's equivocating Iraq with Georgia.  It's beyond words.  That he has more than 5% in the polls is the greatest indictment of this nation I have ever scene since I saw the Pontiac Aztec.

18

Ah, my view on Rummy's egress differs somewhat s-h-i-l-l (how you do dat wid yer sig' anywayz).

Rum' did need to be convinced that counter-insurgency was going to take more troops ...but once the generals convinced him (and they had), he knew that he wouldn't be able to get this increase in troop levels through an already hostile and back-pedaling, anything-for-political-leverage (and the country be damned) Democrat controlled legislature, which was already pandering to the Useful Idiots on the radical & vocal left and maneuvering for the election.

It's my contention (gleaned from paying attention during the course of events, and the subsequent history) that Rummy probably engineered his own departure, after analyzing the political realities in Congress, so that his predecessor would be able to implement the plan (and I'd bet dimes to dollars the plan for the Surge was his and his generals work, and was pretty much complete to the details by the time he left).

...with all that implies for a country that would throw him under the bus for political expediency.

We'll never know (it's for frickin' certain sure that Rummy is too damn honourable to throw a wrench in someone else's glory) ...but (to paraphrase Louis Wu, a Larry Niven character) "I guess good".

...but as per the current Glick column, I ain't too impressed with Gates: he's preparing to fight the last war ...worse, for the next few decades. And - surprise - it seems that the gameplay has changed. And the Play's the thing.

It ain't gonna be Predators and counter-insurgency manuals forever people ...it's gonna be motorized divisions. And the will of the polity to exercise the power of those divisions. As the article I previously linked so aptly put it ...

"...If we are unwilling to use our military to defeat our enemies, we will lose everything. This is the basic, enduring truth of international affairs that we have ignored at our peril. No matter what we do, it will always be the case. For this is the nature of world affairs, and the nature of man."

19 Correction ...and I really meant to say "...She's one of the sharpest geopolitical analysts writing today" in my comment.

20

I can think of something else that's restraining the Russians too. By the 11th the Russian stock market had hit its lowest level in two years. More recently:

Investors pulled their money out of Russia in the wake of the Georgia conflict at the fastest rate since the 1998 rouble crisis, new figures showed on Thursday.

Russian debt and equity markets have also suffered sharp falls since the conflict began on August 8, with yields on domestic rouble bonds increasing by up to 150 basis points in the last month.

The even-slightly-smart money knows well that serious confrontation with the West is a loser for Russia. Self-esteem is great, but it doesn't buy cars or heat apartments.

The moves come as President Dmitry Medvedev faces pressure from business leaders concerned that the impact of the global credit crisis is starting to be felt in Russia.

Credit conditions are to be discussed at next month’s “summit of oligarchs”, the Russian Union of Industrialists and Entrepreneurs meeting that former President Vladimir Putin held annually to discuss economic issues.

Vladimir Potanin, head of Interros, one of Russia’s largest industrial groups, has complained about the shortage of long-term credit to Mr Medvedev, the financial newspaper Vedomisti reported on Thursday.

If and when the economic gravy train stops, Putin's magical popularity with almost all Russians is so yesterday.

(Though of course the relatively tough Western response may have helped here too, by making the market dive deeper than it would otherwise have been.)

 

21 davis, I just type shill in and it gets fat.  I think it's making fun of me.

As for Rumsfield, I agree that he would be willing to depart as he did in order to facilitate more troops, but he did fight the idea for a while.  Him leaving as he did, after many years of success, really doesn't strike me as a negative on him either way.

Of course, Gates is an aggie, so he's not likely to do too well, but his military is winning right now, and it's a situation that changes every day, so I give him some credit too.

I think we're keeping enough legacy military to fight a big-dog war, but can we realistically ever fight a bona fide nuclear power?   My main concern is that we've been at war for a long time, and as our other enemies gleefully take advantage of our efforts elsewhere, it's clear we need a bigger military.

We need those 6 divisions back, and it can't happen in a day.  It will be an enormous expenditure.  But with our rapid deployment tempo, we need to get this ball rolling.  Some can be armor and heavy, some can be Strykers and snipers.  That's what we need, and sadly, it's up to Nancy Pelosi.

And I think the best way to fight Russia, if we aren't going to be able to send in F-35s and Abrams, is to use our expert knowledge of insurgency to create an extremely potent one in Georgia.  We can support Georgia in the way Russia supports Iran, and if they demand we stop, we demand they stop.  Georgia can take back every inch they have lost by blowing up tanks and checkpoints and using improved anti-aircraft weapons.  You want us to 'defeat' Russia, and I sure as hell would love that, but I fear it's not at all feasible.  Our military exists to protect Americans, and we can't do that after they've been nuked.

22

I can think of something else that's restraining the Russians too. By the 11th the Russian stock market had hit its lowest level in two years. More recently:

Investors pulled their money out of Russia in the wake of the Georgia conflict at the fastest rate since the 1998 rouble crisis, new figures showed on Thursday.

Russian debt and equity markets have also suffered sharp falls since the conflict began on August 8, with yields on domestic rouble bonds increasing by up to 150 basis points in the last month.

The even-slightly-smart money knows well that serious confrontation with the West is a loser for Russia. Self-esteem is great, but it doesn't buy cars or heat apartments.

The moves come as President Dmitry Medvedev faces pressure from business leaders concerned that the impact of the global credit crisis is starting to be felt in Russia.

Credit conditions are to be discussed at next month’s “summit of oligarchs”, the Russian Union of Industrialists and Entrepreneurs meeting that former President Vladimir Putin held annually to discuss economic issues.

Vladimir Potanin, head of Interros, one of Russia’s largest industrial groups, has complained about the shortage of long-term credit to Mr Medvedev, the financial newspaper Vedomisti reported on Thursday.

If and when the economic gravy train stops, Putin's magical popularity with almost all Russians is so yesterday.

(Though of course the relatively tough Western response may have helped here too, by making the market dive deeper than it would otherwise have been.)

23 (Doesn't bloody <blockquote> work here? It shows up correctly in the editor window. What the hell. Sorry for the unintentional spammage.)

24 anonym, just italicize.  They do it old school out on this side of the tracks.

25

I don't think we'd have any problems at all in defeating Russia in battle or in war ...quite the contrary (I think they're scared to death of us) ...and I also have serious doubts that - even in the face of any loss short of a strategic one (i.e., some noobie idiot telling the generals to roll into Moscow) - it would ever come to nukes.

(Although: I emphatically believe that we're obviously able to wage and win in a nuclear exchange ...and I no longer subscribe to the nuclear winter scenario ...given I'm not sure how vulnerable we'd be as a political and financial entity after such a thing ...or maybe, just unsure how long the recovery would take.)

The Russians just aren't that stupid nor are they suicidal. The current regime are opportunistic criminals (even the Mafia "believe in" capitalism ..hey, it works): they're not ideological imperialists, but rather geopolitical imperialists. Putin is playing ...is counting on as an internal USA player ...politics. He's counting on a lack of our political will (he's no effin' doubt at all as to our military ability: no one does at this point).

Stalinism only exists anymore as a fading ideology in the American Academy and the DU ...only aging professor and lunatic lefties think it has a future. No. I think we're back to dealing with the same exigencies as the British Empire (essentially, we are the British Empire conceptually), and limited to the same response set the Greeks were.

Our own hegemony (that ought to get a rise out of a troll or two, eh) - the Pax Democratia (if you will) - and national security and sovereignty requires that our friends are secure in our response to aggression against them ...as allies have always had to be. In a very real sense, the current insecure geopolitical climate is a result of the American failure in Vietnam ...small countries have not forgotten Saigon, 1975.

...we have no choice ...a firm unequivocal response is in our best interest. However much it hurts, and however hard it is to do.

To paraphrase (and totally twist the concept rhetorically) ...you fight the war you're given, not the war you want. 

26 A firm response now would obviously save lives in the long run, and also make the job a lot easier.

I guess you're probably right that Russia herself would not nuke us, even if we shot down their planes and blew up their tanks, but you never can be certain.  If the Russian leadership felt their power was threatened, there's going to be that chance.

And even if we can win a nuclear exchange (I'm sure their nukes don't work all the time, etc), that's not really winning.  Tens or hundreds of millions of Americans and Russians dead is just not acceptable.  Even if we were the only party left standing, the rest of the world would be justifiably pissed off, and we'd have failed at our core intention: to protect ourselves.  Nuclear Winter or not, we can't just look at nuclear war and say "eh, we'd make it through eventually". 

There is a better way.  Obama, the lightbringer.  Just kidding, but I think an internal struggle in Russia and Georgia, a well funded one (the opposite of what Russia has done to the US for half a century) with lots of great propaganda, weapons, and strategy, would be a lot more feasible than rolling our boys into a huge conflict.

All out war with Russia would be hard.  But a more ruthless cold war that exploited Russia's weakness against China could drag the idiots running that place down.  We could probably get much support from the rich oligarchs who don't like the direction Putin is headed.  All we need to do is change the regime in Russia, and they are back on track.  It's no surprise that Russia fell to her old ways.  Reagan won the cold war, but Bush I and Clinton were both more interested in diplomacy and warm feelings.  We ignored the realities there and didn't speak up.  We must take Russia from the inside.

I think we need an insurgency branch in our military.  Let's make this our new Manhattan project.  Sorry, pal, but I've got people I care about that I'm not willing to risk on the possibility that we'd win a nuke war that Russia probably wouldn't start.  Not until we've tried something else.

27 That he has more than 5% in the polls is the greatest indictment of this nation I have ever seen since I saw the Pontiac Aztec.

Quote of the day!

28 Thanks for spelling 'seen' correctly for me.  I is a dumber.

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