Two GOP Sources Say It's Romney Now?

This is like the world's longest, lamest mystery novel.

I don't buy it. I concede there's an outside chance that Romney could help in Michigan, but... Romney is considered to be an unacceptable cultist by many religious cons, so no help there, and he's considered now by many squishy centrists to be a religious con, so no help there.

I don't know. I like the guy (like not love), but he has the misfortune of being a feathered fish, a fish that will neither swim nor fly.

I suppose he could help with Northeastern socially-moderate fiscal cons... but does McCain need help with them?

Answer: Commenters inform me that Romney firms up Colorado and Nevada (looking shaky at best in most polls) due to their large Mormon populations.

Posted by: Ace at 11:34 PM

Comments

1 If so then I'm happy. Romney brings Colorado back into the GOP fold, makes MI competitive, brings economic bona fides, and will be a badass hatchet man as the Veep axe-swinger.

Posted by: Jeff B. at August 21, 2008 11:38 PM (BWTSB)

2 It could have been worse, much worse. Hell, it's McCain, it still can be worse.

Posted by: DrewM. at August 21, 2008 11:40 PM (hlYel)

3 I always thought the pro-choice line was a load of crap meant to placate us from whoever Mccain was going to really pick. I think Rush made a big deal out of it in order to help.

If it's Romney, this makes a lot more sense, because of who is the most relieved Mccain didn't go pro-choice.

Romney is a flipper, but he's certainly a strong enough candidate.

I was reading Democratic Underground, and some there want Obama to pick Ron Paul as the veep. Man, if only life was that good.

Posted by: ghy at August 21, 2008 11:41 PM (8jYMc)

4 It's gonna be Pawlenty.

Posted by: runninrebel at August 21, 2008 11:42 PM (qAMnO)

5 >>>Romney brings Colorado back into the GOP fold

He does? Why is that? I'm not disputing you, I'm asking because I don't know.

Posted by: ace at August 21, 2008 11:43 PM (1WR4H)

6 Tomorrow there will be three GOP sources that claim it'll be the ghost of Spiro Agnew.

Posted by: lowandslow at August 21, 2008 11:46 PM (3lXty)

7 He does? Why is that? I'm not disputing you, I'm asking because I don't know.

9th largest Mormon population in the country, apparently. It borders with Utah.

Posted by: Benson at August 21, 2008 11:47 PM (qzcNU)

8 NRO said earlier that Colorado has lots of Mormons.

Hey, what's a good slur for 'Mormon'? I was going to use one there, and realized I don't know any. (Not that I have a problem with Mormons, I just enjoy casually slurring people because I'm a meanspirited conservative. You know how it is.)

6 comments in, and I'm the first one to point out who this would benefit? Are we not doing that gag anymore?

Posted by: bgates at August 21, 2008 11:48 PM (CFjXn)

9
SCOOP!

One moron on a message board says it's Palin. Palin! And she will be accepting the VP ticket from a pool of key-lime jello. Got it?

Carry on rumor mongers.

Posted by: The Chewbacca Defense at August 21, 2008 11:48 PM (nuuDA)

10 He'd be a good pick. Puts Michigan into it. Nevada and Colorado go red. Mormons.

Posted by: Gabriel Malor at August 21, 2008 11:48 PM (1Ug6U)

11 >>>Hey, what's a good slur for 'Mormon'?

Let's not talk about them, let's just ignore them.

Posted by: Michael Palin at August 21, 2008 11:50 PM (1WR4H)

12 haha, you're right bgates. Advantage: Mitt Romney.

I know of no real mormon slurs.

Posted by: ghy at August 21, 2008 11:50 PM (8jYMc)

13 Ah. Learn a lot of stuff hangin' out in these blog comments.

Posted by: ace at August 21, 2008 11:50 PM (1WR4H)

14 I know of no real mormon slurs.

There will be plenty if he gets it.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at August 21, 2008 11:52 PM (6L459)

15 Why is Romney's religious cult any more unacceptable than Christians' religious cults?

"I know of no real mormon slurs."

I know a few mormon sluts, but I don't know any Mormon slurs.

Posted by: Christoph at August 21, 2008 11:52 PM (hawOV)

16 "Hey, what's a good slur for 'Mormon'? "

Just point out Harry Reid is one of 'em.

Posted by: sulla at August 21, 2008 11:53 PM (Y4/VY)

17 As you may have recalled I once thought that Huckabee would have been a good choice. Of course that was before he demonstrated that he was pretty much from the shallow end of the pool and long before the 'ONE' ^tmbegan his long journey into night.

Now I think Romney can help and is the only logical choice.

A. Already a known quantity.
B. Can arguably help in Michigan,new Hampshire, Colorado,Nevada.
C. Can operate as an attack dog if needed. Just point and click.
D. Can bring cash to the party.
E. Good on the economic issues which will be VERY IMPORTANT in 2008.
F. Is a completely viable President from day 1 should something happen to Johnny Mac. Not because he is 72 but just because things sometimes happen in this life.
E. The 'Mormon' thingy has now been completely trumped by Obama's 'above my pay grade' thingy. Evangelicals(some) may not care for a Mormon but they care a whole lot less for a man who won't stand firm on the 'life' issues.

In short --- All up for McCain here --- virtually no down.

He would IMAO be stupid not to chose Mitt, and frankly he has surprised me in 2008. He is NOT running a stupid campaign. Under the circumstances he is running a damn fine campaign. Can't see him throwing it all away now.

Posted by: dougf at August 21, 2008 11:55 PM (16GPT)

18 You know who this benefits? That's right...Mitt Romney.

Posted by: Hugh Hewitt-I'm Back! at August 21, 2008 11:55 PM (hlYel)

19 ("Mormon" IS the slur, actually. Whether it's benign or toxic depends on who's saying it, and how.)

Posted by: sulla at August 21, 2008 11:55 PM (Y4/VY)

20 While I agree he's running a pretty good campaign, dougf, I must respectfully disagree with your new analysis that it would be "stupid" to have anyone other than Romney as McCain's VP. I'd rate the quality of this opinion as highly as I would your initial opinion about Huckabee.

Posted by: Christoph at August 21, 2008 11:58 PM (hawOV)

21 "If so then I'm happy."

Then you're retarded. Forget '08 -- this means we'll have an unelectable loser as our standard-bearer in the next election.

Posted by: someone at August 21, 2008 11:58 PM (2z2WN)

Puts Virginia in play because his father once cruised through the state in a crimson red Ford Thunderbird in the early sixties.

What? What's with the 'Romney puts Michigan in play' thing? Romney's ties to Michigan are as solid as my ties to Nevada, where I once lived and graduated from high school. Ancient history.

I'll be glad when this whole 'it's in the bag/reliable sources' crap ends. As I recall, none of these 'reliable sources' saw the Cheney thing coming. Nor the Gore/Lieberman thing. Nor the Kerry/idontremember thing coming. Who the heck ran with that douchebag, anyway? I honestly don't remember.

Posted by: pistolero at August 21, 2008 11:59 PM (hBUN7)

23 Actually willing to bet part of the leaking and contradictory rumors are on purpose.

It keeps the candidate in the news and, for instance with Obama, stories about picking the VP were able to crowd out storied about his debate performance Saturday.

Posted by: AD at August 21, 2008 11:59 PM (8mGNb)

24 crowd out stories...

Posted by: AD at August 21, 2008 11:59 PM (8mGNb)

25 I know a few mormon sluts

You wouldn't be so kind as to part with their phone numbers would you?

Posted by: Purple Avenger at August 22, 2008 12:02 AM (6L459)

26 Cristoph, about Mormon sluts, I am very thankful for that well known phenomenon. My first was a gorgeous mormon girl who was absolutely insane sexually. Her parents were absolutely insane about controller her life... they had a locking mechanism on their telephone and tv, bought via their church.

Her only way to strike back was in the back of their van (oh, and dating girls with vans is a Good Thing).

She's an athiest now, according to myspace. Was a very smart gal, but her folks had an iron fist.

I don't think this is just a mormon issue, but it was for me.

Posted by: ghy at August 22, 2008 12:05 AM (8jYMc)

27 pistolero, in case you aren't kidding, John Edwards ran with Kerry.

Posted by: ghy at August 22, 2008 12:08 AM (8jYMc)

28 I can easily live with Romney.

Fred! in 2012

Posted by: Techie at August 22, 2008 12:10 AM (xallF)

29 they had a locking mechanism on their telephone and tv, bought via their church

Really? I've never seen those in the catalogs.

I've always been of the opinion that overly-controlling parents are asking for trouble. I had a few Mormon girls throw themselves at me in my younger/cuter days, but I was a good Mormon boy and didn't take advantage.

Not that I didn't WANT to. But my parents weren't controlling, so I wasn't that rebellious.

Posted by: sulla at August 22, 2008 12:12 AM (Y4/VY)

30 "This is like the world's longest, lamest mystery novel."
Spot-on. Best description of this VP pick, evah.

Posted by: Andy at August 22, 2008 12:16 AM (4Wq+J)

31 world's longest, lamest mystery novel

Commander McCain.

In the smoke-filled room.

With the crowbar.

Posted by: sulla at August 22, 2008 12:18 AM (Y4/VY)

32 As one of AoS's resident Mormons, I'm just not too excited about Romney, and I'm fairly sure it is the best way, at this point, for McCain to lose the campaign.

Sure, Romney could shore up some weaker-looking states, but he would lose plenty of others.

I am a Mormon and was raised in the south. The plain and simple fact of the matter is that a lot of the Republican base hates Mormons with a passion and go so far as to teach kids as young as 4 and 5 to do the same. Maps I've seen show McCain with a tenuous hold on some southern states - putting a Mormon on the ballot could well tip the scales.

Yeah, it kinda pisses me off, but Mormons whining about it pisses me off much more. I can't stand someone who wants to be a victim - if you want folks to like you, prove them wrong, don't just sit there and piss and moan about it.

Posted by: Guy in Utah at August 22, 2008 12:27 AM (V3WTz)

33 sulla, indeed I doubt most Mormons lock their TVs. But those products were via her church... no kidding.

Not sure if it was just the leaders buying in bulk and selling them like Methodists sell brownies, or some kind of nationwide catalog as you assumed I meant.

No worries, though, most Mormons I know had happy families, and my neighbor Mormons are excellent people that I would rely on if I needed help.

But there are tons of Mormon sluts (like there are tons of Preacher's daughter sluts). Rebellion just works that way. Hell, I bet there are tons of Athiest commie kids who join the military. Can you say Casey Sheehan?

Posted by: ghy at August 22, 2008 12:27 AM (8jYMc)

34 Guy in Utah -

Pray tell, what southern states is McCain in any danger of losing? The only one I can think of is Virginia, and the voters McCain is relying on to come out for him are military guys who aren't going to give a shit about whether or not a Mormon is on the undercard. (Similarly, the bluish NoVA region won't be swayed either.) Other than that, there's no chance that McCain loses ANY other southern state, whether NC or LA or AR or you name it.

I suppose my bias is that, while I think Mormonism is a bit weird, I concede that they're overwhelmingly decent human beings wherever I've met them, and that a superhot rebellious Mormon chick once made me a very VERY happy college partygoer.

Posted by: Jeff B. at August 22, 2008 12:33 AM (BWTSB)

35 Guy in Utah, these folks were saying the same thing about Mccain. They wanted Huckabee. I have in-laws who love Huckabee. They are braindead as all hell, and given that Huckabee has turned into Suckabee-on-Mccain's-cock-to-rehab-himself, I'm sure he'll endorse Romney loudly.

Obama has gone off the rails when it comes to abortion. If this becomes a problem (it probably won't), all it will take is an ad where Obama talks about how he doesn't want his daughters saddled with a mistake, and how discussing fetal life is 'above his pay grade', and Obama supports full-birth-breathing-baby-abortion. And Mccain has made a lot of headway with evangelicals in a natural way when he talks about being a POW. It's almost 'born again'.

Perhaps I'm wrong on this, and I wouldn't pick Romney, but I think he's an understandable choice.

Posted by: ghy at August 22, 2008 12:34 AM (8jYMc)

36 ghy

I'm born and raised Mormon and a BYU man myself... I can't say I've ever heard of the church itself selling such devices. Now, numerous companies that sell "LDS themed products" may very well sell such devices. I can't think of a specific company that does, but I do seem to recall some similar devices.

Personally, I think I'd like a difficult-to-remove timer for my own TV, maybe even my cable modem. I spend way too much time being sedentary and writing stupid responses to blog posts.

Wait a second...

Posted by: Guy in Utah at August 22, 2008 12:34 AM (V3WTz)

37 But those products were via her church... no kidding.

Dang. Glad I didn't live in that area.

their next step might have been chastity belts with strategically-placed guillotines.

Posted by: sulla at August 22, 2008 12:37 AM (Y4/VY)

38 My other bias is that I've always believed that Romney was the most objectively qualified guy for the presidency running in either party. He was totally unelectable for all sorts of reasons as a Presidential candidate (Mormonism, flip-flopping, rich-dudeness, etc.), but his economic (Bain) and crisis management (2002 Olympics) chops are knock-you-to-the-floor impressive. The idea of having him as a second-in-command is actually rather reassuring to me.

Posted by: Jeff B. at August 22, 2008 12:37 AM (BWTSB)

39 There's all sorts of Mormon-themed products.

Even Mormon pr0n.

No sex, all guilt.

(rimshot)

Posted by: sulla at August 22, 2008 12:45 AM (Y4/VY)

40 ghy, I've known a few... cough, cough... well.

One I knew platonically had the following experience.

To start with, her dad was very devout. I would visit her, we would pray at dinner, etc.

She was 16, with an older boyfriend.

They were in her room having sex doggy style... when her dad walked in.

Ouch. Well, it wasn't anal, so maybe not ouch, ouch, but you get the idea.

I don't know why I've always found that story hilarious.

What was less than funny is her family kicked her out of her home.

Posted by: Christoph at August 22, 2008 12:46 AM (hawOV)

41 "You wouldn't be so kind as to part with their phone numbers would you?"

Do you want me to make the introductions?

Posted by: Christoph at August 22, 2008 12:49 AM (hawOV)

42 On a serious note, I was a Mormon convert for a brief period of time; sex with a hot girl brought me to my senses.

I firmly believe the Mormon church is untrue for other reasons, but I have a great Mormon friend and wonderful Mormon-girl memories. Oh wait, this was supposed to be serious.

Seriously most were good people, some not, just like anywhere. But DO NOT fall in love with the Mormon girl who'll screw your brains out, but will never marry you because she wants a man who is temple worthy.

Because she's serious and years of trying to persuade her in the bedroom and out will not change her mind.

Posted by: Christoph at August 22, 2008 12:54 AM (hawOV)

43 If it's Romney, I'll support the McAsshole ticket. If its one of these bitch slap the Base choices, I'll slap back.

Posted by: bolton's stache wax, extra firm at August 22, 2008 12:54 AM (iot9F)

44 Cristoph, that's too bad for the girl to get kicked out. Tough love works when the parents care enough to pay attention and spend time with the kid. It doesn't work when tough love is code for abandoning the problem.

Kids have sex. Not always, and I won't want mine to, but if it happens you have to deal with it. In fact, by kicking her out, they probably made her dependent on that dude... which can be disastrous.

Though I can not imagine that mormon pops walking in on his kid going doggy-style. Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh fuck. Probably took his brain a while to figure out what's going on.

You know, my family wasn't mormon, and we were way more screwed up than the most scrweed up mormon family I know if, so I'm not trying to be a hater, but those ideal mormon families always seem somewhat uniform. How do they deal with a kid that is just.. different? I think that's where we get these sex and drug fiends.

Posted by: ghy at August 22, 2008 12:59 AM (8jYMc)

45 Fred was first, but Romney gained a lot of points when I heard him defending business. I think the GOP ate one of their own.

He has heaps of experience as an executive and I would love to see him as VP. The addition to his experience would be fantastic and I think he could beat the Mormon stigma which, frankly, escapes me.

Romney spent a lot of money and effort defending against cannibalism in the early campaign. He's still fairly young and I think grooming him for the presidency would be wise.

Posted by: Justin at August 22, 2008 01:03 AM (iH1PP)

>large Mormon populations

McCain will still have to win over the Front Range cities (Ft Collins, Denver, Colorado Springs, Pueblo) where liberal crazy is well-entrenched.

Posted by: Jones at August 22, 2008 01:04 AM (KOkrW)

47 While I can live with Romney and hope he won't kill overal turnout, Xmas/Hannukah/Kwanzaa/Non-denominational Winter Solstice Festivus would come early this year if The One would pick Biden for VP. Please, Barry, go for Mr. Neil McHairplugs. Entertainment is your best value.

Posted by: George Orwell at August 22, 2008 01:05 AM (AZGON)

48 Furthermore, if anyone has noticed the deplorable tendency of the Messiah's campaign to indulge in projection, get ready for a triple dose if it's Romney. Remember how Obabble and his minions have done the passive-aggressive thing and made race an issue by saying "The Republicans will scare you by pointing out I'm black?" When they play the bigotry card against Mormons, it will be very, very ugly.

Posted by: George Orwell at August 22, 2008 01:10 AM (AZGON)

You people need to get past that Romney's a Mormon, and remind yourselves he's a fairly solid conservative.

The Constitution says there is no religious test for public office. I realize this has no binding affect on blog commentary, but try it on for size. Just sayin'.

And no, I'm not a Mormon.

Posted by: Jones at August 22, 2008 01:10 AM (KOkrW)

50 Yeah, Jones, Romney's fairly "solidly" conservative.

Posted by: Christoph at August 22, 2008 01:19 AM (hawOV)

51 When they play the bigotry card against Mormons, it will be very, very ugly.

I'm concerned about that too. But his dad George Romney was pretty famous for his civil rights support, and Mitt has shown no racist tendencies whatsoever.

And if it comes to it, McCain can point to his own mom and say "she gave me hell for my choice, too, but...country comes first."

Posted by: sulla at August 22, 2008 01:24 AM (Y4/VY)

52 You know who this benefits? That's right...Mitt Romney.
Posted by: Hugh Hewitt

For this very reason alone I hope it's not Romney.

Posted by: Lincoln at August 22, 2008 01:24 AM (ExJZV)

53 45 Romney[...]'s still fairly young and I think grooming him for the presidency would be wise.

And by grooming you mean surgically grafting a personality on to him, right?

Posted by: adamthemad at August 22, 2008 01:36 AM (CRTzd)

54 Jones, what the hell are you talking about? Us people need to get over what Mormon bigotry?

Please specify how anyone here thinks Romney's being a mormon makes him a lesser able leader. A few are noting that there may be some backlash from other bigots, and many like me are finding it doubtful.

One guy notes that the dems will try to be hateful towards Romney, but Republicans fight back harder against racism than any other force in the history of all civilization. We're the party of Lincoln and Martin Luther King and nothing would unite us with Romney more than Democrats fucking with the man's religion.

A lot of the whining about bigotry is what we're annoyed about. Romney didn't lose because he's a mormon, that much is clear. he lost because he's freaky haired, has bizarre kids, and flips a lot. He insulted Ronald Reagan. Romney ran the Olympics; one of the most notorious den of bastards the world has ever known is the IOC, and anyone associated with the Olympics has a bit of tarnish on them. It's like running the UN. He was governor of Massachusetts; those people are assholes. And yet, when Romney miraculously doesn't win, it's because we need to get over our bigotry? Bullshit. He ran a company well, though he didn't start out unwealthy so he only gets moderate kudos.

I can accept, in spite of these issues, Romney as VP or even President, those who have a problem with it are not unreasonable. He seems like a good guy that played politics to get elected in a fucked up place, and did a good job there. I think he's likable and interesting. He's not Graham or Huckabee or Leibermann, so life is good.

Posted by: ghy at August 22, 2008 01:38 AM (8jYMc)

55 I remember when you were railing at me for being a flaming lib, ghy.

Posted by: Christoph at August 22, 2008 01:38 AM (hawOV)

56 Sulla, I have no doubts about Romney's bona fides with respect to race, nor his father's. But my point is that this noxious Obama candidacy will set back thirty years relations on race, religion, and culture in this nation... solely on account of the nature of identity politics. And if they are handed a target the size of Mormonism, they will have precisely zero compunction against doing everything they can to paint Mormons as antisocial racist freaks. This is not to say Romney shouldn't run if asked, but that the Left will find this an opportunity to run rampant.

I am disgusted to admit that in my circle of acquaintances in Southern Callifornia, Mormon-bashing is quite hip and au courant. The prevailing attitude seems to be that they make good neighbors for being freaks who want to have their men marry a bunch of teenage girls, and then molest the kids. I kid you not. And the telling thing is, the people who I hear saying this garbage are universally "moderate liberals."

Posted by: George Orwell at August 22, 2008 01:39 AM (AZGON)

57 "He was governor of Massachusetts; those people are assholes."

Hear, hear!

Posted by: Christoph at August 22, 2008 01:39 AM (hawOV)

58 Christoph, I recall that too. Can't remember why though. It's kinda confusing. I do hit my head a lot.

Posted by: ghy at August 22, 2008 01:43 AM (8jYMc)

59 Romney is the Republican Barry Obama. His positions change in order to improve his electoral chances.

Thanks, and have a nice day.

Posted by: Casey at August 22, 2008 02:09 AM (RJSy/)

60 BTw, dougf, the Huckster would be very nearly the only choice worse than the country-club establishment Romney.

Me, I want Fred, but I'll settle for Sarah.

Posted by: Casey at August 22, 2008 02:12 AM (RJSy/)

61 Orwell,

Oh, no doubt. The Obama team managed to paint Bill friggin Clinton, our "first black president" as a race-baiter. I know my church's history, and I know it's too juicy a target to pass up.

My HOPE is that Obama will overplay the card, like he's been flubbing so many other things. By the time Obambi finishes tripping over himself, Mike Huckabee might be defending Mitt. (oh, what I wouldn't pay to see that.

)

It's a definite risk, if McCain decides to go for Romney.

FWIW, I don't think Mitt lost because of bigotry, though I've encountered my share of indisputable bigots online...but even then, only a handful. I never treat them as representative of a larger movement, just as lone crackpots. I don't even think Huckabee's problem with Romney has much at all to do with religion; I think he just hates the Max Headroom hair, the trust fund, the fancy education, the pretty and loving wife, the non-felonious children. I've chided other Mormons who did throw the B word around too freely. It's not the 19th century; nobody's driving us out of town with torches; they just make crappy movies about us. ("Orgazmo"?)

In the primaries I rooted for Romney because of his business background, but shook my head at a lot of his gaffes. I was leaning toward Fred, but that didn't pan out. I was worried about Mitt running because of the religion thing - I know if I was suddenly thrust into the national limelight, my past with its basements full of dead hobos and closets with lesbian goat porn would sink me in about fifteen minutes. And if that didn't do it, my Star Trek fan site would. I try to be a decent guy but I'm hardly the poster boy for Mormon living, and I don't envy anyone who finds themselves put on the poster. It's a chalk pedestel over a tank full of piranhas.

Posted by: sulla at August 22, 2008 02:36 AM (tlFbX)

62 Sulla, I hear you. No one is lynching Mormons nowadays, but the same goes for blacks. In fact a black man is mere steps away from the Presidency, with widespread braindead support from all ethnicities. Romney had enough flaws as a candidate, mainly his ideological authenticity. A very blue Republican in some ways... But it appalls me that Mormons are in that class of "acceptable" pariahs in a PC world. The salesmen of identity politics constantly overplay their victimhood, be it on account of non-white skin, or sexual organs, or what have you. Nevertheless the ease with which some liberal acquaintances slip into, shall we say, old habits, gives the lie to the "tolerance" of the liberal. With some of the stuff I've heard, if you could substitute the word "darkie" for "Mormon" you would think you had fallen out of the twilight zone into Jim Crow, 1925.

Posted by: George Orwell at August 22, 2008 03:05 AM (AZGON)

63 "I can easily live with Romney.

Fred! in 2012"

"He was totally unelectable for all sorts of reasons as a Presidential candidate"

Both of you have completely forgotten how the Republican party works.

*Of course* Romney is unelectable. But that won't stop the party from nominating the sitting VP in 2012/2016 -- he'll be "next", and that's enough. Republicans are too conservative (in the dumb way) *not* to go for whose turn it is, just as Dems are too radical not to keep falling for the newest flavor.

Posted by: someone at August 22, 2008 03:21 AM (2z2WN)

64 George: yeah, it's sad.

Funny thing is, the attacks on Mormons from the Right tends to be pretty straightforward - it's about the religious differences, they see us worshiping The Wrong Jesus and, however well meaning we are, we're gonna burn in hell for picking Door #2. Odd as it may sound, that type doesn't bother me so much; I can understand feeling deeply about religion.

The leftist brand of intolerance is more political - to them us Wingnut Mormons are indistinguishable from the other cousin-humping red state Jeebus Freeks who want to stop them from enacting their Progressive Utopia of EasyFlush wombs and health care for Al Qaeda. To them, Harry Reid's Mormonism is acceptable because it doesn't interfere with his blue state world view, whereas Romney is a Stepford Mussolini with Big Boy hair.

If Mitt's on the ticket, the march to November is gonna be interesting. Probably a few steps shy of Ragnarok. But only because Mitt doesn't have top billing.

Posted by: sulla at August 22, 2008 03:44 AM (tlFbX)

65 Oh, no, religious bigotry is alive and well. Having Mormon friends, it really pisses me off.

Posted by: grc at August 22, 2008 04:43 AM (YleVG)

66 I still believe Huckabee ran for one purpose, to keep the evil Mormon from getting the nod.

Posted by: mark c at August 22, 2008 05:02 AM (EVmYn)

67 Hey, what's a good slur for 'Mormon'?

My parents call Mormons "momos"... Kind of a slur I guess.

Posted by: DoDoGuRu at August 22, 2008 06:26 AM (xBkZj)

68 While it may be true that some people are so prejudiced against Mormons that they won't vote for a McCain/Romney ticket, it's a generalization as insulting as supposed that blacks will only vote for Obama.

People in groups may be dumb, but I have more faith in an individual person in a voting booth.

Posted by: goddessoftheclassroom at August 22, 2008 07:00 AM (xTuFr)

69 However many Mormons Romney brings in in Colorado and Nevada, I can't see how the Mormons he does bring in wouldn't be offset in the bigger picture by whomever his religion turns off ... like the evangelicals that he just made some headway with at Saddleback. For him to pick Romney (or Lieberman for that matter) now would be like the hot chick at the bar who's been flirting with you leaning in and whispering in your ear that she's got crabs, and does that bother you?

And to the dude who doesn't like the so-called religious bigotry from fundamentalists, aren't you cheering the Romney pick on because Mormons will vote for him because he's a Mormon? How do you feel about black Republicans supporting Obama? Can't have it both ways, buddy.

Personally speaking, McCain-Romney would be a huge buzz kill. I didn't like McCain from the beginning, and was finally warming to him. Give Romney a position in the administration -- fine. But not the VP spot.

Posted by: Mister Tan at August 22, 2008 07:28 AM (OSrHN)

70 I'm friends with a couple who were transferred from the oilfields of west Texas (where o/s of the FLDS compound at Eldorado, there are near zero Mormons) to the gasfields of southwestern Wyoming. I visited them a couple of years ago on my way to take my family to Yellowstone, and was shocked at the level of their anti-Mormon rhetoric. These people lived in a community in Texas that had transformed from 95% White and Protestant to 60% Mexican and Catholic within a single generation and I never heard a peep from them about the takeover. But after having lived in Wyoming for less than 5 years, there was an element of fear when speaking of the encroachment of the Mormons in to their new home community that I found a little un-nerving. I didn't ask, but I got the very strong feeling from some of the comments that were made that a lot of this anti-Mormonism was preached from the pulpit at their church. I have no idea how widespread these feelings are, as I live in a zero-Mormon area. I also have no idea who this benefits.

Posted by: pendejo grande at August 22, 2008 08:15 AM (qN0f5)

In short --- All up for McCain here --- virtually no down.

That's a joke, right? I know a fair number of people who can't be bothered to choose which assault weapons ban they'd prefer to have imposed upon them. McQueeg is bad enough in that regard; Slick Mitty is an order of magnitude worse (on top of being yet another entitled Tory legacy drone).

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Romney is the Republican Barry Obama. His positions change in order to improve his electoral chances.

This the same problem McCain has, when in New Hampshire he campaigns like an Al Gore Global Greenie fraud then when he is inside a church in sunny California he tries to sound like Ronald Reagan.

Get use to the changyness, this is how Centrist politicans campaign in order to please the muddied moderate, independent, middle-of-the-roader voter.

Blame the moderate voter for this crap, they're the one who never know what the fuck they want.

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If Barry picks Joe "I'm not making this up!" Biden then McCain could pick wonderdog as his running mate.

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74 it's a generalization as insulting as supposed that blacks will only vote for Obama.

Not to quibble with your main point about individuals, but blacks will only vote for the Democratic candidate, 9+ to 1, black or white. Its a generalization with predictive value.

Stereotype are stereotypes for a reason.

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Forget that Fred fell asleep during the primaries and was the worst candidate ever, putting that old, lethargic coot on the ticket with McCain would be the stupidest move in GOP history.

Posted by: Bart at August 22, 2008 12:31 PM (LLT2j)

78 btw, just to show how big of a buch of shitheads you people are, there was less objection to Joe Lieberman than Mitt Romney for Veep on this blog. Incidentally, during the early primaries, some of you, and you know who are you, fell for Obama's bullshit and said you'd vote for him over McCain.

None of you have any political acumen. Shut up and learn yourself some fucking knowledge.

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