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| Obama Whines Again That McCain Is Questioning His Patriotism; the MSM Heartily AgreesObama's theme this week: I'm a Tough Guy and we won't get rolled again. "I have never suggested and never will that Senator McCain picks his positions on national security based on politics and personal ambition," Obama said. "I have not suggested it because I believe he genuinely wants to serve America's national interests. Now it is time for him to acknowledge that I want to do the same. Let me be clear-I will let no one question my love of this country. I love America, so do you, and so does John McCain." A day earlier, Senator McCain told the same conference that Senator Obama had put his own political ambitions ahead of the national interest by trying, in McCain's words, to legislate failure in Iraq.Truth is a defense to libel. McCain says he's not questioning Obama's patriotism, merely his judgment. I won't insult you by suggesting that's precisely true. But what else can one make of someone who is still hellbound to lose a war even when it's nearly won? Obama's position was defensible when the war seemed (for some, with some good reason) to be unwinnable. Now it appears to be not just winnable, but rather difficult to lose, but damnit, Obama is still going to do his level-best to lose it. And largely because he's captive to a revanchist left who craves defeat in Iraq like a heroin addict craves his next injection. He is elevating his personal political needs far, far above the national interest. I'd say he's doing a rather good job of questioning his patriotism without any need of help from McCain. Like clockwork, TPM claims that the media is giving McCain a "pass" on all this terrible patriotism-questioning: This bears repeating a thousand times: The national press is basically giving McCain a pass on the McCain campaign's double-talk about Obama's patriotism. McCain, after all, has repeatedly said that Obama would rather lose a war than lose a campaign. McCain also said -- just this week, in fact -- that Obama's desire to lose in Iraq was driven entirely by "ambition." And finally, the McCain campaign sent out to reporters those remarks by Joe Lieberman, in which Lieberman said Obama hasn't always put his country first. That constitutes an official campaign endorsement of Lieberman's assertion. These facts deserve to be mentioned in every story about McCain's remarks today. But they will get scattered mention, if that. In addition to the fact that McCain isn't being held accountable for these glaring inconsistencies in his own claims, he's also getting a pass on the assertions of his own surrogates from the very same press corps that aggressively held the Dem candidates accountable for every syllable that came out of their surrogates' mouths during the Dem primary.I clicked on that from Google News, and knew, before the article popped up, it would be authored by Greg Sergeant, who is one of the most braindead, kneejerk idiots out there on the leftosphere. So is the press giving a "pass" to McCain on this? Well, Newsbusters actually does what Sergeant doesn't bother to do: They watch the news and digest it, providing quotes and facts. Is this a "pass"? “Patriot games,” CBS Evening News anchor Harry Smith teased, “Barack Obama fights back.” Viewers then heard a clip of Obama before the VFW: “I will let no one question my love of this country.” Reporter Dean Reynolds described how “Obama is pivoting toward a more combative style, rebuking the Republicans for habitually turning differences over policy into questions about patriotism, a habit he said John McCain has readily embraced.”Yes, Greggie, the media is giving McCain a pass, except for the national CBS and NBC broadcasts scolding him. Greg Sergeant, and the rest of the Media Matters-type Soros brigade, has what might be called media bias envy. These idiots know damn well the media leans left, but they seem to envy the right's David vs. Goliath status, so they are forever claiming the "conservative" media is stacked against them. They're not really attacking the media-- they're deliberately defending them. The media usually defends charges of liberal bias by claiming "some on the right criticize us, and some on the left do too, so that must mean we're getting it basically right." And it's the likes of Greg Sergeant who knowingly offer up spurious claims of "conservative bias" so that his media buddies can offer this exact defense. Doing a media-bias post is very easy for someone on the right. It's so easy it often feels cheap. But cheap and easy though it may be, it's, you know, usually right. Greg Sergeant's absurd claims do not have that saving grace. He tosses around kneejerk claims of "conservative media bias" without evidence or citation because they're easy posts to write. Easy, cheap, and wrong, but they serve their purpose. He and his lefty buddies get to pretend they're brave outsiders besieged by a hostile press, and the press he defends and loves gets to pretend they're equal-opportunity offenders as regards bias. Everyone wins, except the truth, but Soros isn't seeding money to the left to produce the truth. Perhaps Greggie should ponder how the MSM just happened to seize upon the notion that "questioning one's patriotism" is the greatest political offense possible. It's fair game, it seems, to question a candidate's intelligence, sanity, sobriety, humanity, and compassion. The media never squeals when a lefty politician claims Republicans conspire to make the lives of the poor more difficult, or to destroy cute fuzzy animals and noble trees just to make a buck for their fat-cat friends. Those are rather deadly -- and personal -- charges. And yet they're perfectly fair. We never hear the media accusing a Democrat of "engaging in the typical game of questioning Republicans' basic compassion and humanity for their fellow man," or for their fellow earth-creatures. How is it that patriotism came to be the one virtue it is impermissible to question? Could it be, Greggie -- just spit-ball this with me -- that "questioning patriotism" hurts Democrats whereas all the others tend to hurt Republicans, and that is why questioning patriotism -- and questioning no other virtue or passion -- has become, in the media's eyes, the one impermissible tactic in campaigning? "Questioning patriotism" is impermissible only because the MSM claims it to be, and they claim it to be such precisely because Democratic politicians and the leftist commentariat insisted it should be from 2001 to the present. How come the media gives the left -- and itself, of course -- a "pass" on that, Greggie? Oh... Bear in mind this is the same TPM that breaks out its "racial attack decoder ring," as Allah calls it, every time a Republican opens his mouth. And of course TPM and the leftosphere is usually able to push these charges right into the MSM -- into the NYT, the "Paper of Record" -- within 24 hours of making them. Yeah, the media is really stacked against you guys all right. Am I to understand that "questioning patritotism" is off-limits whereas constantly claiming someone is a racist is perfectly acceptable grist for the mill? Comments1
You really got to read the comments - it's a massive whine tasting with no cheese. Some real howlers. Sample:
The robber baron media is as entrenched in the "old school' mindset as the beltway is. This is a perspective that is as moldy as McCain. It hinges on notions like "Don't speak ill of the dead." Respect your elders." Silly business of that sort. It's why Bob Schieffer nearly had a stroke when Wes Clark suggested that POW status isn't a qualifier for the Oval Office. It rankles all of the ingrained pedestrian notions that require only knee-jerk responses, not thought. They FEEL honest and that's all that these prosaic, self congratulatory sorts require in their self review. After all, they have risen in the halls of power, that is their "proof" of meritorious capacity. Ohmygodthey'recompletelyretarded. Having a little buyer's remorse over there, Obamatrons? Good. Posted by: Good Lt at August 20, 2008 02:29 PM (jH17H) 2
And I question the patriotism of the left wing, anti-American MSM.
Posted by: rplat at August 20, 2008 02:32 PM (Qrnps) 3
Greg Sergeant, who is one of the most braindead, kneejerk idiots Suckers of Cock out there on the leftosphere. FIFY
Posted by: AoS Stylebot at August 20, 2008 02:33 PM (C3mTI) 4
"These idiots know damn well the media leans left..."
I'm not convinced that that is the case for all on the left. In my experience with the left, I have known many who view anything short of calling for the establishment of a Marxist utopia NOW as shilling for the right. Feminists often see any criticism of even their most strident BS as evidence for the "right wing media." Many Marxists that I have dealt with consider "The Nation" to be a wimpy moderate magazine. The other day a faculty member who is heavily involved in all the campus indoctrination that goes on, particularly with freshmen, in classrooms, orientation, and residence hall workshops, etc, was justifying it based on the need to counteract all the conservative inculcation the kids have received from the media and, worse, their parents. But I don't doubt that a lot of folks just punt that claim out there for the balanced defense. Posted by: Brad at August 20, 2008 02:37 PM (LZs5x) Posted by: William Amos at August 20, 2008 02:40 PM (VUgv4) 6
“Obama is pivoting toward a more combative style, rebuking the Republicans for habitually turning differences over policy into questions about patriotism, a habit he said John McCain has readily embraced.” They of course then went on to provide the evidence of McCain doing this, thus proving he embraced it. Right? Right? Its just become so standard. Its the method they use for the swiftboat vets. You have your declaration of "They're lying its completely false." Never actually say where the lies and falsities are. You never need to prove it was a lie, and after awhile it just becomes "the debunked claims of blah blah blah." It'll be done with the new Obama book that Corsi wrote. Nothing in it will actually be analyzed, and it will all be whitewashed (racist!) as a smear with no truth. But you will never hear any of the claims the book made and the evidence to disprove. And so it will go with this. Obama has claimed McCain questioned his patriotism, so it is now accepted fact that he did. Nevermind if you can't come up with actual instances of it. Posted by: buzzion at August 20, 2008 02:43 PM (Lrsi6) 7
You just know that if O is elected prez, the MSM will claim that he won the Iraq war. And he did it just by getting elected, and now all can bow down to the ONE.
K Posted by: Kestrel at August 20, 2008 02:44 PM (bO3lW) 8
"Don't speak ill of the dead." Respect your
elders."
Yeah, we all know what bad advice that is for kids. Might spare them from actually learning something before becoming societal critics. May also prevent them from discovering the joys of binge drinking, car wrecks, and STDs. Posted by: Brad at August 20, 2008 02:44 PM (LZs5x) 9
Greetings:
Many years ago, I had a temporary job with the Federal government adjudicating worker compensation claims. One of things that I was taught to keep a weather-eye out for was referred to as "subjective reports of pain." This referred to medical reports in which the examining physician found no objectively verifiable indication of injury and was basically just reporting the patient's own words. It seems to me that Senator Obama asserts a patriotism that is not exactly objectively verifiable. He may, in fact, be patriotic, but that is an internal emotional state for which he certainly wants us to take his word. His political ambition, on the other hand, has been objectively verified by both his political tactics and his ongoing efforts to gain higher offices. Posted by: 11B40 at August 20, 2008 02:47 PM (Tt/Pp) 10
Kestrel, yup! It will be just the first of His Good Works, along with the miraculous recovery of the economy (as mainly facilitated by a wave of positive reportage).
Posted by: Kensington at August 20, 2008 02:47 PM (xFNQx) 11
I just tune ALL these things out now. What Obama has already successfully done for the charge of racism (ie. make it almost totally meaningless and ineffectual), he is now determined to do for the 'don't question my patriotism' meme.
When the objects of your complaint are too busy laughing to pay serious attention, I think you have to say that the complaint has pretty much used up its shelf life. I'm sure that Obama did not intend to defenestrate the 'racism' and 'patriotism' gambits. He and his 'friends' desperately need them. But he has. So ---- Thanks Barack. You done good. Posted by: dougf at August 20, 2008 02:48 PM (16GPT) 12
Yeah, the thing I keep coming back to over and over with obviously un-patriotic leftists who deny it is that I cannot imagine how they'd be any different if they were suddenly to admit their lack of patriotism. How much worse could they be?
Posted by: Kensington at August 20, 2008 02:50 PM (xFNQx) 13
You can't question Obama's patriotism -- he wore a freakin' flag pin at the VFW speech yesterday for goodness sakes! Now Obama of October 2007 would question Obama of 2008's patriotism, but you can't. You racist. Posted by: hit and run at August 20, 2008 02:53 PM (jjNS6) 14
So, being an instinctual blame America first, with heavy sympathies for communist dogma, anti-American terrorism, and racial grievances, isn't being unpatriotic. Obama should embrace it, to do otherwise makes him sound wishy washy. Every answer is a criticism of America's failings. Hell, his Berlin speech praised Berliners more for their cargo-cult like anticipation of American goods falling from the sky than for the American determination that made it happen.
BTW, America's greatest moral failures do not include stinginess or not helping people. Instead, these failures include abandoning South Vietnam in 1974 and the abandonment of Kurds and Shiites in 1991. Captain Uh would gladly repeat those failings again by abandoning all of Iraq to AQ. Posted by: joeindc44 at August 20, 2008 02:56 PM (QxSug) 15
If, say during a nationally televisied debate for instance, John McCain openly challenged Bucky HopeNchange's patriotism? Like, maybe by saying something like, "I am no longer comfortable with questioning your judgement, so I am therefore forced to question your patriotism..."? Well, I'd happily and cheerfully vote for him. Just sayin' Posted by: fretless at August 20, 2008 02:57 PM (/ZX77) 16
I do question it - I think he's a socialist, citizen-of-the-world tranzie and any love he has for America is conditional on his getting elected President. In his own mind he has inverted JFK's "ask not" mantra. I think he reflexively takes the side of America's enemies rather than her allies. I don't think this is because he has a funny name or went to school in Indonesia; I think this is because he is a typical hard-left, knee-jerk liberal, who went to Ivy League schools and lives in Hyde Park and frankly isn't bright curious enough to question the leftist assumptions he has been fed by his surrogate parents, teachers and political mentors. The people who support him most ardently (DUers, KosKidz etc) revel in their very Anti-Americanness, lack of patriotism and preference for the enemy, so they must see something kindred in Obama. I've been reading David Freddoso's book and am nearly incoherent with anger that the bloody Democrats are about to nominate this charlatan as their candidate for President. Any substantive criticism is out of bounds - anything other than cock-gobbling worship is a "personal attack", "old politics" and "doesn't help Michelle's children". Posted by: The Republican Attack Machine at August 20, 2008 03:01 PM (Gzb30) 17
Here's what Republicans get accused of in every election, right down to the city council level, and it's never questioned by the MSM: 1. Shilling for Big Business (i.e. not supporting massive tax increases and regulations on corporations and small businesses that employ 90% of Americans) 2. Intolerance (i.e. not supporting sexual perversion and same sex marriage, or illiegal immigration) 3. Sexism (i.e. not supporting abortion on demand) 4. Hatred of the poor (i.e. not supporting massive government giveaways) 5. Opposition to public schools (i.e. opposing the NEA and supporting school choice) 6. Raping the environment (goes without saying) These memes are repeated ad nauseam by Democrats every single fracking year. Why is it that only Republicans get called out for pushing their own memes that Democrats are generally traitorous tax-and-spend surrender monkeys? Posted by: rockmom at August 20, 2008 03:04 PM (iZqUY) 18
Ace, I love you man! (hugs; back-patting; sobs)
Posted by: CornFedBeauty at August 20, 2008 03:15 PM (8r/RM) 19
Ace is exactly right when he debunks the left's little pretend "conservative biased media" act
They know the media has their back. That's why they feel to comfortable to go on the dumb benders attacking McCain's cross story that could be disastrous for them if the media actually reported and revealed their vile desperation. The lefttards know the MSM won't report on their retardations in order to protect O! and will not assist McCain in additional POW reminders and would ONLY cover it if the leftards did uncover some detrimental to McCain aspect. The leftards have MSM journalists on the private political strateeegery email list serv, Townhouse for godsakes. Posted by: St. Andretard of the Scared Stupid at August 20, 2008 03:16 PM (LRJ8a) 20
I will let no one question my love of this country. Hanging out with unrepentant, bomb-throwing America-hating terrorists, eating Brie and getting the vapors about the shallowness of it all for decades proves it. And I won't even get into the whole magical flag pin. If this guy were a swimming pool, Wile E. Coyote would be burying his head into the exposed, parched concrete at the 2 micron depth deep end. Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at August 20, 2008 03:26 PM (B+qrE) 21
Is it safe to question his manhood? er, his maturity?
He poo-poos Scarlett then turns around to engage in a backslapping palm-fest with Georgie? C'mon, all three of the Kennedy boys would've tapped that ass. ...just saying. Posted by: Fritz at August 20, 2008 03:35 PM (zAvxs) 22
I would like to see McCain say on a nationally televised event: "Barry, you do not have the judgement or experience to be President of the United States". And then challenge Barry to debate the point in a nationally televised debate in a town hall format with NO prearranged questions and NO media "moderators'. Barry would sink like a stone. Posted by: Scott at August 20, 2008 03:39 PM (KG/+D) 23
Whats obama afraid of someone questioning his so called patriotism what he got to hide what kind of skelletons dose he have in his closet?
Posted by: Spurwing Plover at August 20, 2008 03:39 PM (Gdmbk) 24
#9: It seems to me that Senator Obama asserts a patriotism that is not
exactly objectively verifiable. He may, in fact, be patriotic, but that
is an internal emotional state for which he certainly wants us to take
his word. His political ambition, on the other hand, has been
objectively verified by both his political tactics and his ongoing
efforts to gain higher offices.
Interesting thought - it's a theme I addressed today in part elsewhere on the web. The Dictionary.com definition of "patriot" is "a person who loves, supports, and defends his or her country and its interests with devotion." Your observation regarding an internal emotional state directly addresses the issue of love of country: It's empirically unmeasurable. Supporting and defending one's country, though, are external acts that can be quantified, and it appears as if Senator Obama has no currency to spend on these issues. I have yet to see him praise the US without some sort of qualifier, and he's constantly talking about (paraphrased) returning the US to its former glory. I've never seen him unequivocally defend the country. When Sen. Obama says, "Now it is time for [Senator McCain] to acknowledge that I [genuinely want to serve America's national interests]. Let me be clear-I will let no one question my love of this country," he is plainly and publicly demanding Sen. McCain acknowledge his patriotism. The facts do not appear to support an objective determination that Sen. Obama is in fact a patriot, though, and Sen. McCain is not obligated to campaign for Sen. Obama. Sen. Obama's rhetoric is presumptuous, disingenuous, and altogether insubstantial. Posted by: jazz at August 20, 2008 03:42 PM (sUWlR) 25
Just working the refs, again.
Leftys love the American that could be, if we would just let them run everything, the actual America, not so much. Posted by: toby hussein 928 at August 20, 2008 03:51 PM (evdj2) 26
They are pissed that BHO has no chance to attack McCain over this issue, so they are screwed. All they can hope for is that by crying a river McCain will stop.
Posted by: cv at August 20, 2008 03:55 PM (GmamD) 27
Oh by the way, John McCain is old. Get it? That's a civil, valid, nuanced rebuttal from the Uh-bomb-uh-uh camp.
The thing about Captain Uh going down in flames is that the Clinton reprisals are going to be fierce and merciless towards those who forsook one of the major DNC crime families. Posted by: joeindc44 at August 20, 2008 04:09 PM (QxSug) 28
Let me be clear-I will let no one question my love of this country Oh, such a tough guy. What a total fraud. Only the left could champion such a clown. I can't wait until McCain mops the floor with his stupid ass. Posted by: Warden at August 20, 2008 04:13 PM (QoR4a) Posted by: Fred Zeppelin at August 20, 2008 04:26 PM (WQ/EZ) 30
more Liberals pretending there is a VWC in the media
On Stenography And The Fourth Estate By Cernig It's an article of faith among rightwing pundits that the mainstream media are irrevocably biased in favor of the Left, while leftwing pundits are just as certain that the mainstream willingly shill for the Right. Both are correct. But the notion that the establishment media comprises - on its own - a Fourth Estate, still able to impartially produce news which informs voters of the bare facts so that those voters can make decisions thereby, is as dead as the Dodo. http://www.newshoggers.com/blog/2008/08/on-stenography.html Posted by: topsecretk9 at August 20, 2008 04:26 PM (LRJ8a) 31
I don't know why people are getting upset. Didn't you see Chris Matthews?
He said McCain is giving out free permission slips to be racist so everything is okay. Say what you like about Obama. Mine came in the mail yesterday, signed by Robert Byrd and everything. Posted by: Rocks at August 20, 2008 04:29 PM (Q1lie) 32
Our local paper has a blog and if you even mention something related to love of country the liberal jerk goes ballistic -- as if you just poured lemon juice and salt on an open wound!
With him I assumed it was because he was a 60's radical and carried that guilt of really hating America. But I think it goes deeper then that. David Posted by: LifeTrek at August 20, 2008 05:13 PM (tJTIW) 33
Am I to understand that "questioning patritotism" is off-limits whereas constantly claiming someone is a racist is perfectly acceptable grist for the mill?
Um, yeah. Pretty much. Posted by: Sean M. at August 20, 2008 06:12 PM (e6v7s) 34
Hell, I've questioned Democrats' patriotism for years. I've often felt they put their electoral success ahead of America's success. Posted by: Jones at August 20, 2008 06:53 PM (KOkrW) 35
I don't question Copperhead patriotism; I know they have none.
Posted by: SDN at August 20, 2008 07:18 PM (F2ojY) 36
Why yes, McCain did indeed question The Obamessiah's patriotism. The Obamessiah hasn't answered the question yet. Hissy fits, dodging the question, and hiding behind his ol' wife, those don't count as answers.
OTOH FredZeppelin has a good comeback to it. B) Posted by: exdem13 at August 20, 2008 08:10 PM (fenBi) 37
When dealing with a lefty, EVERYTHING is a double-standard. And that goes for the 90% of the press corps that self-identifies as leftist. It's an entire philosophy designed for assholes. Posted by: Merovign at August 20, 2008 10:22 PM (UXoQt) 38
Let me be clear-I will let no one question my love of this country Well, there are alot of folks doing just that, Barry. What, pray tell, will you do about it? Have another tantrum?
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