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You wrote:

"Now speculation is turning to Rudy as the possible pro-life option.

Personally, abortion isn't a make or break issue for me (judges that will over turn Roe most definitely is) but a pro-life VP pick just makes no sense to me."

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Do you mean "pro-choice"?

2 You know that "pro-life" and "pro-choice" have different meanings, right?

3 Gary,

Yes, I thought I changed it fast enough but I guess not.

4
My understanding is that Rudy is personally Pro-Choice.  However, given McCain's strong statement about his presidency being a Strong Pro-Life Administration  I am sure Rudy would  also be on-board with that.

Bottom line is this - Obama even supports killing the baby's that make it out of the mom!  Full on infanticide.  I mean there's a serious difference between that and whatever Rudy's beliefs are.

5 No chance for Kasich?

I don't see Giuliani at this point. He doesn't play second fiddle well.
I think he could do it fine and would be very supportive of McCain but it won't fire up Giuliani's lib to moderate supporters that haven't already gone with McCain.

6

I would not have a problem with Rudy.  I am more of a fiscal conservative and social libertarian... plus I do not think the politics of the VP really matter in the bigger picture.  I have been surprised by the lack of him being mentioned as even a possible VP pick. 

7 Well, Rudy would piss off some fundamentalists, I guess, but Mccain can probably bank on Obama pissing them off more.

He can credibly claim that Obama believes in abortion even of the baby has been born yet... the Mrs. Cartman 40th trimester policy.

And Rudy is a great candidate in many respects.  Compare Rudy to whoever Obama can pick, and it's clear he's not bad at all.  I prefer Palin, and she clearly wants the role (or would have acted like Webb and refused to be considered), but I certainly have no problem with Giuliani.

Mccain's answer to that abortion question, coupled with Obama's non-answer, has got to be compelling as hell to those who are very strongly pro-life.  Mccain needs to court the voters he can actually win, and those on the right who aren't yet willing to vote against Obama/for Mccain are somewhat out of reach anyway.

8 I was a Rudy supporter in the beginning but I don't really see how he helps McCain now. I could only guess that McCain would pick Rudy as his successor since they are close on the political spectrum, but other than that, I don't see a reason.

The only reason to pick Ridge besides friendship is the possibility of taking PA. PA in tempting but not necessary to win. It would be a very risky move.

The best choice for McCain is someone like Pawlenty who won't alienate moderates or conservatives and will help put a state in play.

But I think both sides are using this opportunity to disrupt CW and lower expectations for their VP picks.

9 Hmmm.

Calling Rudy a "pro-choice" candidate ignores every other problem and baggage that comes along with him.

Like his crazy-ass position on the 2nd Amendment which is what largely torpedoed his candidacy.

10 Tom Ridge addressed this in an interview the other day, but wouldn't come right out and say if this was a make-or-break issue for McCain.

11 Giuliani is a great choice.
The election is going to be an "Obama referendum", so the GOP needs an attack dog to pick apart every stupid thing the D side says. There is going to be a lot to pick apart. Rudy may not be good presidential timber, but he is a great lawyer and even better critic, so he shouldn't have to waste too much time waiting for the secret orders from VRWC Central on what to say about the latest idiocy from Candidate 0. or is that an O. So close, so hard to decide.

I think Shakespeare said it best: Let the dogs out!

12

memo's right. The only reason Rudy was and is under consideration for executive office is that he was a prosecutor and then a mayor of America's most important city. Whether abortion is permitted is not necessary to run a city (just to stay viable as a candidate in that specific city). Whether guns can be privately held, on the other hand, is a factor in social order.

Therefore being pro-abortion is not important to Rudy; being anti-gun is.

13 you know, I think I have to agree now that Rudy is problematic.  Abortion is a stupid issue compared with many others... such as gun-rights, which are at a critical stage right now.  I don't want Rudy's gun rights record to be endorsed in any way.

I think Rudy deserves respect for saving New York, but we've got better options.

Tom Ridge is insane.  John Mccain has to earn his states...  I don't think the VP can make much difference after the initial shock wears off, and Tom Ridge (a good man), is too closely linked with Bush's administration.

Sex sells.  And Palin is a great leader anyway.  The choice is just obvious.  Sarah Palin is a great ENERGY leader, which is how Mccain should frame things.

14

Joel, I agree that Giuliani would make mincemeat out of whatever milquetoast Obama chooses as veep and that McCain is going to win anyway. But would a McCain-Giuliani administration be better than, say, McCain-Palin?

McCain-Giuliani would end up in a Bismarckisation of this country. We've already had progressive administrations all through the 20th century, thanks, it was fun, no more please.

15

I want a pro-life candidate because the succession aspect of the VP job is important this time. McCain shouldn't leave us with no candidate four or eight years from now like Bush did.

Also, picking a pro-choice candidate would make me doubt McCain's commitment to life. Pro-life is one of the few reliably conservative positions McCain has.

16 Testing the waters? You mean testing how far he can go pissing everyone off? It's gotten really really old.

17 << Calling Rudy a "pro-choice" candidate ignores every other problem and baggage that comes along with him.

Like his crazy-ass position on the 2nd Amendment which is what largely torpedoed his candidacy.>>

And being a sanctuary city mayor.  Yet, it's always this "stooppit x-tian" angle that keeps popping up whenever non-leftists mention his name.

18

Maybe he's looking for a pro-choice candidate to woo the libertarians...I don't know. Palin is better in that regard, I think - she leads by example on pro-life instead of demagoguing, and she's great on guns and gays, in addition to admitting to having smoked marijuana in the past.

Palin's strongest point is ethics, which is where the Republicans need to get back the confidence of the base.

19 Rush just stated that McCain campaign staffers are polling Leiberman among the really big party donors, seriously, not foolin' around...

20 Lieberman? Yes, we need an old maverick and an old democrat representing the gop.  Blech.

21 Rush just stated that McCain campaign staffers are polling Leiberman among the really big party donors, seriously, not foolin' around...

McCain/Lieberman?

That would be the best Democrat ticket since Kennedy/Johnson.

22 Once people start down the road of compromise on standard, main-line conservative positions the compromises never end...McCain is set on proving that, and the comments on this thread prove it to me, pretty clearly.

23 Well, yes, Lieberman is pro choice, so I would say that's what he has in mind.

24

Thumbs down on Rudy. He adds nothing to the ticket but more McCain. Ridge is dull as dirt and also adds nothing either.

Double thumbs down on Palin. On paper, she's fine, but she's too young. People have to be able to see the vp candidate as someone who can step right in and go and, historically, voters don't see that in younger female candidates. They like their female politicos older, and the higher the office, the older they want them to be. I actually think she'd push more people away from the ticket than she'd pull in.

My pick: Romney

25

Telling that the big event is in Ohio with the next stop in Pennsylvania.  Telling for what I have not a rat f'in clue at this point.

I could have sworn two weeks ago it was going to be Romney.  Now?  Could be anyone from Lieberman to S.I. Hayakawa's corpse to Musharraf.  I've got nothin'.

26 If Rush is right then this  pro-choice thing is definitely a ruse on McCain's part.
Lieberman is not someone you would poll party supporters on, you would never get a good response. If McCain was going to pick Lieberman than he would go Maverick with it. I still can't believe he hasn't seriously considered Lindsey Graham.
God knows that is what both McCain and Graham want.

27 I see Rudy as more of an AG pick.

McCain should go with Palin.

28 I'd perfer Palin. Honestly, I'm getting tired of McCain pushing the envelope with how far to the center he can go. It's time for him to reward the faithful with a "right of him" veep.

29 Palin is from Alaska. Alaskans talk like Canadians and look like they're from well, Canada. She would be a terrible pick.

30 Being the Gov of Alaska is like being the mayor of Austin, only with less national exposure.

31 I'm with rebel--Palin adds the same thing to the ticket that Biden adds to the Dems--3 electoral votes that McCain will win anyway.

32 Giuliani.

33

A pro-choice pick would bury him with the conservative fence-sitters.he'll pick someone safe. his methodical style of campaigning has shown some success.

34 IMHO, this isn't so much serious speculation as it is all about milking the media for exposure by fishing around as much of the political spectrum as possible so no one feels the stone for their favorite VP wasn't left unturned.

 Fake left, then go right.  or Fake Left, then Fake Right, then go where you want to go.

  This is a generic activity, not specific to McCain -- Obama's doing it too.  Obama's problem is not so much faking right or left, but who can best fill the huge holes in his resume.  Given his program is all about talk, he'll probably go with the attack dog Biden.  Who cares if there's lots of holes on the ticket -- so long as they can be plugged with rhetoric everything should be fine.... 

 That all being said, of the prochoice options, Rudy would be an interesting choice, IMHO.  Ridge, not so much, plus his conservative credentials are pretty scant.

Romney is now claims to be prolife, but probably could articulate a message for either side since he has been on both sides of this fence. Some still feel he's still prochoice...

35 Circa, actually, it's retarded to select a VP just for electoral votes.  Palin would attract nonpolitical women in a big way, and she would attract those who want cheaper gas.

the idea that she doesn't count just because she's from Alaska is absurd.

And yeah, she's younger than Mccain by a ways, but is Obama going to be able to attack that?  She's a governor of a powerful state, and a damn good one.  We need an executive-type, so she's at least a good pick.

36 Look, McCain's entire battle plan is the center, he's working on the middle 60% of the country, not the 20% on either end of the political spectrum. Senator Lieberman as VP would make it seem like he's mister "healing" and the guy who reaches out to the other side of the aisle, he'll seem like he's the anti-divider and someone who listens to everyone. He's been everywhere with Senator Lieberman, the guy is even in pictures with Senator McCain on his electoral website. I can't see how anyone else even makes sense to mention.

37 That story saying Lieberman is "in the mix" also says Ridge is. Halperin says he's out. This is all a friggin ruse to remind Repubs that no matter who he does pick it could have been much worse. This has Romney written all over it.
Blah.....

38

ghy, Palin wouldn't bring in enough conservative or libertarian women. Listen to TiredWench above:

"she's too young. People [read: people like me, i.e. women who hang out on AoS] have to be able to see the vp candidate as someone who can step right in and go and, historically, voters [from AoS] don't see that in younger female candidates. They [if they have a 'hump'] like their female politicos older, and the higher the office, the older [black-flag bikini wearers] want them to be. I actually think she'd push more [AoS moron female] people away from the ticket than she'd pull in."

39

Should McCain be foolish and stubborn enough to pick Liebermann, he deserves to lose... if he doesn't already.

Liebermann is a good guy, McCain's friend and a hawk- but he's still a flaming liberal on just about anything not related to defense/security issues.

It's bad enough that McCain has spent much of his career assfucking the GOP; he really doesn't need to go and skullfuck us afterwards.

40

The one thing this election proves, the moderate middle really does muddle things into a messy mush of mind-blowing madness. 

 

41 Graham would be a historic gay confirmed bachelor VP candidate.

42 David, you're probably right that Palin isn't going to bring in a lot of women.

Security moms already are in the Mccain camp, and pro-choicers are going for Obama.

And Palin, while far more experienced than Obama, is not AAA in that category.

I just think dismissing her on the basis of how many electoral votes Alaska has is a silly idea.  Dismiss her because you have a better person in mind.

But I bet whoever you pick isn't as pretty!

43 David: But would a McCain-Giuliani administration be better than, say, McCain-Palin?

I can't see where the VP changes the McCain administration at all. In the case of Cheney and Bush I think we have a unique situation where DC having been involved in all the Republican White House administrations since 1974, was able to provide Bush with particular expertise.
I can't imagine in thirty years of DC service McCain is without people around him he wants to help him run the White House and the OEB and whatever else. McCain's VP will spend a lot of time at the USNO and the Capitol instead of in the Cabinet office.

44 Picking a pro-choice running mate would be about the stupidest thing McCain could do. I think Saddleback finally won over reluctant evangelicals and devote Catholics. He will lose them all over again if he does this. This is a big voting bloc. He cannot afford to do that.

45

RWS, I totally agree. McCain/Lieberman, for example, is one of the things that might actually drive conservitives to stay home and let this election go.

It would be a huge unforced error.

 

46 It would be a huge unforced error.

But it would be extra-Mavericky!

Even if McCain doesn't pick Lieberman, it tells you about his instincts. Hell, McCain almost became a Democrat himself a few years ago, so from his point of view, what's the big deal?

It's amazing the Republicans, let alone conservatives, have gotten themselves in this predicament.

47

Drew, you found the one ticket worse than McCain/Lieberman.

McCain/Specter.  OMG, it's hard to even think about it.

I like McCain/Giuliani though.  very much.

48 Oh man, while Obama's camp can't be happy about their absolute dearth of decent VP possibilities, Mccain's started to piss me off floating all this stupid crap.

His support among the right is getting much better as we see Obama more and Mccain shows his best side.  But it's fragile enough to destroy in a day.

Lieberman is a liberal.  An honorable man who understands the war on terror, but a liberal.  He belongs on the Democrat's ticket. 

Palin is young at 44, but she's smart and attractive and  effective.  She's interesting and exactly my idea of a strong woman leader.  Granted, she's not my idea of a ready president, and would undercut the 'not ready to lead' attack, but who is better?  Carli Fiorina (not another woman on purpose, but I like her too), is very unknown.  Romney is a flip flopper, Thomspon has no experience, Giuliani doesn't like my guns.  I guess all Bush administration folks are right out.

Mccain isn't dumb enough to pick another gang of 14 type, is he?  Spector or Graham?  Insane.

49

McCain's dying to pick Lieberman. He's got the same idiotic loyalty streak that Bush has. Don't get me wrong - loyalty's often admirable in personal relations, but not when you're representing people's lives and livelihood. Political offices aren't personal playthings.

50 It's gonna be Pawlenty.

51 I can live with Rudy, so long as Rudy "discovers" that he really does believe in the 2nd Amendment.

Leiberman? Not an F'n chance. Good on the war, bad on everything else.

He gave the Democrats control of the Senate. He can go to hell.

52 Sen. Joe Lieberman, an independent who nearly won the vice presidency as a Democrat in 2000, says there's no way he'll be Republican Sen. John McCain's running mate should McCain become the party's presidential nominee.

"No, I'd tell him, 'Thanks, John, I've been there, I've done that. You can find much better,"' Lieberman told the Associated Press during an interview Tuesday in his Senate office. "I'm not seeking anything else."

53

Romney can belittle the moronic Messiah on pretty much any economic issue and would make any Dem veep pick look bad.

Perception is reality and Mitt looks and sounds like a guy that could take over if need be.

He will also destroy at the convention if he just rereads his CPAC speech.

54 Carli Fiorina???? Other than destroying Hewlett-Packard, what has she accomplished?  McCain would be better served by taking someone at random from a mid-level rehab center.

55 Lieberman will be McCain's SecState, if he wins. McCain will probably pick someone like Pawlenty or Portman for VP.

My dream announcement would be McCain up in ANWR  revealing Palin as his pick and flipping on drilling at the same time, driving home a winning  issue in the  glare of all the publicity.

This is McCain we're talking about though. He'll pick a nice little yes-man who won't steal any of the spotlight.

56 Fa Cube Itches, if you think Carli destroyed HP, then you're a fucking idiot.

She saved that company.  It's doing extremely well now, and almost entirely because of the awesome merger she was bold enough to execute.  She was kicked out because the board was stupid.  Period.  They realized this within a month of doing so, and ever since have been following her plan by the letter... much to HP's benefit.

HP was hugely stupid to let Carli go.  And they have admitted it, as has every authority on the subject I respect.  Carli is probably not a great pick for VP as she's such an unknown and probably not well vetted, but saying she destroyed HP is just ridiculous.

You're a troll, so I know you won't be back, but I defy you to name what problem HP has.  How is it destroyed?  What did Carli do wrong? 


aside from schooling this dumbass............................

I agree that Romney is probably the one.  Pawlenty is certainly another good choice tactically, but I already noted I don't like that method.

I will note that Kay Bailey Hutchinson is pro-choice-ish (it's not well advertised, but she indeed is pro-choice with a pro-life voting record).  I guarantee that Mccain wins Texas if he picks her (snort).  She actually is a lot like Mccain.

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