1 It's going to be real fun when, during the actual debates, McCain dismembers Obama in similar fashion and the loons need to come up with some other rationale for why The One is getting his ass raped by the old man.

2 Someone in the McCain campaign was smart enough to anticipate questions about abortion and judges at a religious forum.

What else are you going to ask someone who is running for potus?  And I doubt McCain even thought about it in preparation since he expressed the same views he has expressed many times before. It's really not rocket science.

3 Even the moonbats are getting tired of hearing about Obama. This is just their way of venting, well - other than throwing buckets of shit at each other.

4 Oh, wait, I forgot. The leftards expect questions like:

boxers or briefs?
when did you choose to be straight?

5 The Obama speech and debate style:  Platitude with attitude.  It can't stand against actual content.

6 I think Ace had this one right from the beginning. Someone in the McCain campaign was smart enough to anticipate questions about abortion and judges at a religious forum. By contrast, the Obama campaign is staffed with idiots. I think more than anything else, the Left and the legacy media are simply embarrassed for their guy. And that's why they are all grasping at straws.

He did have it right. Read Byron York here - Obama actually knew one more question than McCain

Corner is down right now, but York put together a post that basically makes Obama look like a whiny little baby.

7

Someone in the McCain campaign was smart enough to anticipate questions about abortion and judges at a religious forum.

Actually this is one area where McCain's political and personal experience shows. He's been around for a long time and has had to answer a lot of policy questions over the decades. I doubt his aides had to much prep - he's was answering similar questions eight years ago, and his answers haven't really changed.

Obama, by contrast, seemed like he had never considered these questions before.

8 Platitude with attitude

Nice

9 The cross in the sand story is a waste. Honestly do they really think "Hey he likes crosses I will vote for him." is how Christians think? True, false, it's just a story. It has no impact on voting and there is no way to prove it false.

The forum, I mean come on those weren't odd or tough questions.
How can a man get through Law School and be so friggin lousy thinking on his feet?

10 Lemmeeeesseeeee......


Going to be questioned by a preacher.

A Christian preacher.

A Christian preacher of a large church with a large on-lne and legacy media presence.

A Christian preacher of a large church with a large on-lne and legacy media presence that "prepped" us as to format and content.

Damn, there isn't any way to win at this without cheating!

Unless cheating has not been part of your life from day one. 

Then there are some other alternatives.

11 For two thousand years, Christians who are being persecuted have used drawing fish or crosses into the dirt as a silent secret form of worship.

It's not novel, and it's completely believable that Mccain's guard did this, even if it's also in a book.

It's been going on forever.

12 As far as Obama's toughest decision, why the hell was it so "agonizing"?
He says he was "firmly convinced" Saddam had no weapons of mass destruction.
First how could he be so convinced? Even the most ardent naysayers against the war weren't, they just didn't think we should attack a country which had not attacked us. He says that Saddam being such a bad guy made it agonizing.
Really? Is there a conservative around thinks we should attack a country solely because the leader is a bad guy? Will this be Oblamo's stance as pres?

13 Here is York having talked to people at Saddleback and McCain camp

http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=ZjNkN2IyMzI2Njg4YmQxMjI5NDk5ZDllZTY4YTNhNzQ=

14

I think this is some of the left's first realization that Obama may not be as smart as he appears.  They fell for his so-called oratory skills so hard, that they never ever considered the possiblity.  Style is substance for them especially after 8 years of GWB.  It's only going to get worse, once the attacks on him intensify after the convention and the days grow longer.  Sleep deprivation will pull back the curtain on the Wizard and their world will turn upside down.

15 For two thousand years, Christians who are being persecuted have used drawing fish or crosses into the dirt as a silent secret form of worship.

More like a secret sign to instill hope.  I was at Pawiak prison in Warsaw which is where the Nazi's imprisoned, tortured, and generally murdered their victims. They had a display of tiny crosses made out of twigs and yarn. Most were the size of thumbnails. People risked their lives for these small religious mementos because it comforted them and gave them strength to endure the most horrible suffering.  While I'm an atheist, I know that is nothing to sneer at.

16 You fucking wingnuts...it was so clear that McCain was cheating. You could see the bump in the back of his jacket where the radio receiver was so he could hear the answers Rove was giving him.

Wait! Shit! That was 4 years ago and Bush. Damn it, where are my new talking points from Kos and Sully?

Shit, I'll get back to you idiots in a minute. 

17 True story. The first I saw of the whole "Bush was wired at the debate" thing was from a post by a guy on DU. I wrote him and asked didn't he think that a party with as much money as the Republicans could afford to get equipment that wouldn't show, like news anchors use every damn night? Also, didn't Kerry's campaign have the money and expertize to catch Bush if he did? And that maybe his time wouldn't be better spent getting out the vote?
 
His answer? He sent me an email saying I was an idiot who should go and fucking die. Attached to the email was a copy of the video of Nicholas Berg. No shit. I was completely friggin stunned.

18 Hmmmm.

Actually Warren gave an interview and he mentioned that the broad general topics were communicated to each candidate.  So while the precise question couldn't be anticipated a question on abortion or abortion rights was certainly communicated to both sides.

Of course it would take a total idiot to NOT anticipate a question on abortion rights in front of an Evangelical Christian crowd.

19 I almost wish they had been given the full list of questions.  The ones Obama had prepped for were perhaps his worst. 

You want to be president, but your wife and grandma are your sources of wisdom?  We're at war!  Who are you going to get wisdom about in our war?

And an evangelical church asks Obama what his opinion is on abortion... what a shock!  Obama: I am not qualified to know my opinion.

Mccain isn't stupid.  Or dishonorable.  I accept his many flaws, because that debate was a damn good show of hope for our nation.  It's ridiculous to accuse him of cheating unless you have evidence.  And there is going to be backlash.  Andrea Mitchell confirmed that Obama's campaign is pushing the story to her.  Obama's campaign says they aren't making an issue of it.  Obama's campaign has just been caught lying about a severely dishonorable accusation.  Of course, they played this game with Clinton.  But by denigrating his cross story and the debate 'cone of silence', they are showing they are extremely dirty mud-slingers.  It's absurd that they think this will garner any votes.  They are just out of control (because they don't have a good leader).  I bet Mccain's campaign is somewhat happy about how Obama's campaign  and MSM are so over the top.  The middle is starting to take notice.

20 Hmmmm.

"boxers or briefs?
when did you choose to be straight?"

My favorites are:

1. "Diamonds or pearls"

2. "How do you stay so wonderful"

Both to Hillary Clinton

21
Obama: ;"> ;">LIGHTBRINGER!!!

Not.  No light showed thru at all.  Embarrassing.

22 "Is there a full moon or something?"

Moon-Uranus conjunction in Pisces.  Teh crazy.

23 Hmmmm.

What had me laughing was the idea that Obama would ask advice from a racist bigoted grandmother.

24 Well, and Michelle isn't exactly Abigail Adams.  Don't think, Barack, feel. Oy vey.

25

No way could McCain have been that prepared for a question on abortion!ZOMFG!!!! It's just like Florida in 2000!!!!!!!!!!!!!  I bet Diebold helped him escape the cone of silence!

26 Someone should remind the moonbats that due to the French's long presence in Viet Nam, it's hardly shocking that there were secret Christians. there.

27

This comes from the pathological childishness of the Left; their guy sucked, so it must have been CHEATING!!!! God, grow up, you whiny crybaby pussies; you remind me of all those 13 year old girls that would cry at N'Sync concerts. But at least they are probably embarrassed by it now.

makes Obama look like a whiny little baby.

Right, he's no better. The guy has got the thin skin of a fallen leaf; he refuses to respond to criticism with any substantive counter argument, he just cries foul and then lets his Moonies in the media make insinuations and then kiss his ass.

28
These are the times that prove the Dims believe their own line of shit. To them "swiftboating" simply means throwing accusations that question a candidate's military history and loyalty. They have convinced themselves that Kerry was a patriot and hero and that all the guys who served with him who say otherwise are liars. So they try to get some payback against McCain by using the tactics that they have convinced themselves were used against Kerry.

Here's the difference, even McCain's prison guards say they would vote for him if they were American. His fellow prisoners tell yet more tales of valor and guts and determination than McCain has related. Kerry on the other hand boasts of his own actions, but had earned indifference from his fellows while in country and their contempt when he called them barbarians before congress. This is a level of nuance that the libs cannot grasp.

29 you remind me of all those 13 year old girls that would cry at N'Sync concerts. But at least they are probably embarrassed by it now.

Well, that's the start of their hormones flowing. I vaguely remember Ace saying he found Lambchop strangely attractive. Try explaining that.

30

Someone should remind the moonbats that due to the French's long presence in Viet Nam, it's hardly shocking that there were secret Christians. there.

We'll never know for sure if the story McCain told really happened or not, but it's certainly plausible. I remember reading the biography of an American soldier in WWII who had escaped from the Japanese in the Philippines, but was recaptured months later. He was being held in a prison while being beaten and interrogated daily. One day he happened to be alone with one of the kinder Japanese guards, and the guard pointed to a carved crucifix on the ceiling and then to himself, made the sign of the cross, and then they both made the the sign together. Unfortunately the soldier was transferred to another prison before he could make contact with the guard again. 

31 Here's where I sound like teh ghey but so be it.

In the movie and (better yet) the stage musical "Chicago" there's a terrific number called :

"We Both Reached for the Gun".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBM82Ju2kJU

I can never see/hear Obama speak without thinking of this scene.

It has everything the Obama campaign has: the inarticulate speaker, the handlers saying what he really means, and the complete roll over by the press for the spin.

For any libtards, who read this - Obama would be Roxie Hart(the girl in the scene).

Listen to BO's Saddleback performance, the handlers spin, the press's compliance then watch the scene - you'll laugh like a retard.

32 Occam's razor:  Their guy just can't crack 50.

33 Has Kerry come out to defend McCain in a manner similar to what McCain did for him?  Any bets on when or if something like that will happen if it hasn't already?

34 Byron York makes another nutroots bullshit smear disappear
the cross in the sand

http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=OGZiOGI3OTQ3YWMxYzFhM2UyYTk3NzJiYTM4MGNiY2U=

35 I think it would be more surprising if in that horrible place, no North Vietnamese were human enough to show Mccain a brief bit of compassion.

that's basically what the Obamatons are claiming.  Mccain didn't have to be forgiving of those people.  This was him showing that even our enemies have good people tragically entwined.  The liberals can't stand it... because only they can have such epiphanies.

But the idea that there were zero Christians on the bad-guy side, or that none of them would ever think to make a cross, it actually pretty damned evil of them to assert.  If you didn't speak the language of a tortured Christian prisoner (one as f'ed up as Mccain was, with broken arms, teeth kicked out, infections everywhere) you were forced to guard, would you not make some effort to give that prisoner a bit of hope?  On Christmas wouldn't you make a cross with your hand or in the dirt? 

The story rings true, and I bet it has happened thousands of times across batllefields.  It's hardly what makes Mccain a hero, of course.

36 The story rings true, and I bet it has happened thousands of times across batllefields.

Absolutely. I am not a Christian nor a huge McCain fan. But, I believe the story because I have read about similar experiences in other countries and in other times.

37

Makes me think about the derision with which obama supporters treated Hillary with the same basic complaint during the primary debates.

Aww poor Hillary gets the first question, WAH!

38 The more I think about it, the more i like our chances.

39

True story. The first I saw of the whole "Bush was wired at the debate" thing

....

No shit. I was completely friggin stunned.

I like this Rocks guy.

40 I have done some research.
Apparently that cross figure has some special significance to Christians-- seemingly they are all aware of it to some degree.

41

It's not that McCain's answers were particularly brilliant, it was that Obama's answers were beyond stupid.  Do we have to lower the bar for Obama?

42

-"I vaguely remember Ace saying he found Lambchop strangely attractive"

 

A sock on the cupped had of an attractive female? What's not to like.

43 Sorry, meant to say "How far do we have to lower the bar for Obama?"

44

 Do we have to lower the bar for Obama?

Isn't that the inescapable outcome of all affirmative action? 

45

Occam's razor:  Their guy just can't crack 50.

At the polls, and at the bowling alley.

46

Was anyone surprised by these Saddleback questions? Surprised by the candidates' answers?

McCain not only bloodied Barry's nose in this, he scored a knockdown. Amazingly, the MSM and the moonbats were totally unable to see this coming- kinda like Adolf  Hitler getting blindsided by Jesse Owens in the Berlin '36 Olympics. Barry came off looking like a windy, evasive assclown that even an old man can easily knock out.

The Dems and MSM are too stupid to realize that they're only making Barry's ass-whupping look worse by whining and making excuses. And Barry, as usual, proves that he's not presidential timber by being the biggest crybaby in his corner.

This scrimmage was essentially a replay of the "Chimpy McBush was wired" claims during the 2004 Presidential debates: Dem candidate gets cold-cocked, media fails to provide easy enough questions, and immature moonbats go berserk and claim they were cheated. The Dems are unable to admit to themselves that 75 years of socialist policies have produced exactly the (unqualified) types of candidates that they wind up running with.

Assholes.

 

47 How the fuck is it even possible to cheat in a forum where one is expected to express their personal opinions, ideology, and philosophy?

You either have an opinion or you do not.
You either are capable of expressing it or you aren't.

If you're a grown man running for the presidency and you have no convictions, cannot formulate a coherent opinion nor express it convincingly, you're a fucking retard.

...Unless, of course, I've misunderstood the nuance, the meaning of "cheat" in this context. But even so; if "cheat" means "preparation," it's still a retarded fucking false assertion.

- situational ethics... bah!

48 Does this mean we are now gonna see "McCain Derangement Syndrome"? <_<

49

How the fuck is it even possible to cheat in a forum where one is expected to express their personal opinions, ideology, and philosophy?

You either have an opinion or you do not.
You either are capable of expressing it or you aren't.

Of course, then there's that.

50 Keep up the great work!

I'm a douchebag spammer who randomly drops cut and paste compliments into the comment sections of popular blogs.

How insincere! I must be a total dickbag! Oh, here's my lame-assed site! http://www.the-irn-spamming-douchebag.com

Thanks!

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51 The entire Obama campaign neatly summarized in under 5 minutes.

With music and dancing!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBM82Ju2kJU








I can almost guarantee you'll laugh like a retard with a fluffy new bunny.

52 if it wasn't so friggin tragic, it would be funny.  the obama campaign needs to figure out wha ttheir job really is.  they run in circles trying to put out fires and cover up every single one of his flubs.  i thought their job was t promote their candidate, not wipe his ass for him.  you should never attack a military hero about his time in captivity, it is so classless.

53 Andrew Sullivan has worked himself up into a lather over the cross story and then Orson Swindle comes along and Andrew looks, yet again, like the biggest idoit asshole

"I recall John telling that story when we first got together in 1971, when were talking about every conceivable thing that had ever happened to us when we were in prison" Swindle told me a few minutes ago. "Most of us had been kept apart or in small groups. Then, in 1970, they moved us into the big cell. And when we all got to see each other and talk to each other directly, instead of tapping through walls, we had 24 hours a day, seven days a week to talk to each other, and we shared stories. I vaguely recall that story being told, among other stories."

"I remember it from prison," Swindle continued. "There were several stories similar to that in which guards — a very few, I might add — showed compassion to the prisoners. It was rare, and I never met one, but some of the guys did."

As for the people who are questioning McCain's account, Swindle said, "That's garbage. These people are desperate."

54 This thing is beyond amazing. McCain was good. Clearly, he was trotting out answers he's given in a hundred similar forums, but for the most part they were clear, declarative responses: there he is, take him or leave him. Obama was his usual windy, evasive self: thin-skinned, vacillating, obtuse, obscure. Not an impressive performance. And the difference between them is even clearer when you read the transcript.

And now Barry's boys are crying foul. How boring. How predictable.

BTW, Wickedpinto - good to see you again. It's been a while.

55

Hey performing well at this forum was "above Obama's pay grade".  His friends and supporters should get over it.  They sent a young 'un  (can't say boy for fear of being called a racist) to do a man's job--and he couldn't do it.

There is a difference in style; McCain knows what he knows (even if he's wrong) and he jumps on a question with vigor.  And yes some of the questions could have been anticipated by either McCain's or Obama's staff.  If one side did a better job of preparing their "horse" for the debate well shame on the weaker side.  

But short of giving Obama a crib sheet and a canned answer to read off a teleprompter, he's never going to jump on an answer like McCain.  It's not his style.  He's more of the League of Nations bullshit waffle maker. In fact he was born too late; he should have been a delegate to the League of Nations ~1932.

 

56

Rush Limbaugh realized months ago that Obama would be the easier target and set up his Operation Chaos to ensure Hillary was second place.

Obama is a total joke and his staff is even worse. For all their whining about Karl Rove the democrats need someone with his skills real soon otherwise Barry's going down faster than the Titanic.

To make an issue out of an anecdotal story told by someone who actually was a prisoner and make it sound like he's lying says more about his accusers than it does Big Mac. If this is the Obamacrats idea of bitch slappin' McCain they need some serious mental help.

57 Does this mean we are now gonna see "McCain Derangement Syndrome"? <_<

Yes. Yes we are. You can already see the beginnings of it in the way that McCain has morphed from "Maverick Senator" to "McSame".

58 They are just working the refs

59

Murph, this is the antiMcCain faction's idea of swift-boating McCain. And who knows; if McCain had checked out of the Hanoi Hilton early, insulted his fellow prisoners and thrown away his medals it might actually work.

If the Left keeps this up, they can kiss the House of Representatives good-bye.

60 Warren actually provided both camps with advanced knowledge of the questions regarding morality, abortion and persons of influence.  If McCain prepared more thoroughly than Obama, whose fault is that?

61 I read the link at Kos and I am intrigued by the Solzhenitsyn angle. I wouldn't be surprised if they're right.

62

Ummm....Gabe?

Apparently McCain didn't fabricate the cross story to appeal to "Christians." According to The Excitable One, he actually fabricated it in order to appeal to "Christianists."

You see, Andy's the real "Christian." Those people at Saddleback who volunteer and donate massive amounts of money on behalf of orphans and people with AIDS? They're just Christianists.

63 Hmmmm.

"I read the link at Kos and I am intrigued by the Solzhenitsyn angle. I wouldn't be surprised if they're right."

I'd be surprised.

Frankly if they came to a conclusion that the sun rose in the east and set in the west, I'd confirm it with my own eyes first before I'd trust anything that came out of that nest of vipers.

64 It comes from the Dain Bramage from smoking too much pot. Really.

And I would have no clue that practicing Christians might ask me about abortion or judges at a religious forum if I were to a candidate for national office. Nope. Not one.

65 Posted by: slickdpdx at August 18, 2008 05:54 PM (RIdwM)

You mean you'd be surprised that there might have been two hidden Christian guards in communist prison camps who showed a little bit of human kindness?

You must be surprised on a fairly regular basis. I don't want to alarm you but the rumor is the Sun will rise in the east tomorrow.

66

is there anything more satisfiying than watching the libs as they gnash their teeth and pull their hair?

kudos to McCain for just being himself and making The One look very un-One-ish

 

p.s. i'm still not voting for McCain

 

67 If I were more flexible, I could suck my own cock. But when you're 350lbs you gotta be realistic about things. That's why I pay my nephew to do it.

68 Any bets on when or if something like that will happen if it hasn't already?

50:1 Kerry stays silent as a crypt.

69 78IpS = Carl Gordon.

70 #67
Do you ever leave your mom's basement?

71 #62 CornFedBeauty

What is a "Christianist"?  I know that Thully has been using it for a while but I refuse to go to that simpleton's site to sift through pages of delusional rants to find out what a word means that isn't in the OED.  There is a word "Christianism" that has a secondary definition as being a contemptuous reference to Christianity, which is probably what that snarky idiot is using it for even though there are no examples of it being used since the late 19th century.  But there's no inclusion of a word "Christianist", unlike "Episcopalian" for example. 

72 Things keep going the way they are, the Dems are going to lose California, too.

Way to go, Barry!

73 So, let's see....if I was a secret Christian in communist Vietnam, how could I show a fellow christian that I was a co-religionist? Maybe send him an e-mail? Announce openly to the commandant? Start wearing a huge silver crucifix.

LOL.

How about I use my foot to quickly draw a cross in the dirt and then erase it?

74

Lemmeeeesseeeee......

so we can't take the candidates word about christian stories. too bad for someone who claims not to be a secret muslim.

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