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NPR: Yeah, Seems to Us It's Pretty Clear Bruce Ivins Sent Those Anthrax Letters Because He's a Pro-Lifer
Plus: Anthrax Trutherism Debuts (?) on the Left

He's Catholic, you know.

This story suggests that Ivins may have been trying to murder people because of their support for legal abortion. If you read or listen to the story, you’ll see that there are three key pieces of evidence that, according to NPR, support this view. First, Ivins may have read an article critical of pro-abortion Catholic politicians. Second, Ivins’s wife is active in the Frederick, Maryland right-to-life movement. And third, Ivins and his wife sent their children to Catholic schools.

They seem very eager to fit this neatly into The Narrative as quickly as possible.

So we have half the left claiming Ivins is innocent (see Greenwald for this) and the other half saying he's clearly guilty, why look, he's a right-wing pro-lifer. (Without pausing to note that he was a Democrat.)

Let me say a few things about Greenwald. First of all, he's dogged in reading the documents, I'll give him that. And for a skeptical look at the FBI's case, I guess I can say read him, he's doing the most skeptical digging on this.

In some cases, he makes a valid point. The FBI offered, as circumstantial evidence against Ivins, the claim that he sent an email to a colleague that sounded a lot like the "Death to Israel, Death to America" anthrax letters.

ne of the pieces of circumstantial evidence which the FBI stressed most heavily and which has clearly impressed The New York Times is that Ivins, in a September 26, 2001 email to a colleague (which the FBI appears not to have released in full), wrote: "Osama bin Laden has just decreed death to all Jews and all Americans." After citing that email, the FBI then claims in each of its Search Warrant affidavits (emphasis in original) that this is "language similar to the text of the anthrax letters postmarked two weeks later warning 'DEATH TO AMERICA,' 'DEATH TO ISRAEL.'"

This is faintly ridiculous as an offer of proof. "Death to America, Death to Israel" is (as the torpid Greenwald notes) hardly some eldritch Islamofascist chant that the average person wouldn't have heard before. It's pretty much Iran's E Pluribus Unum.

To suggest that this silly shit constitutes evidence of any sort makes me doubt the strength of the rest of their case. If they're offering this nonsense as evidence, how strong can the rest of their evidence really be?

I always operate on the assumption that no one offers weak "evidence" if they have strong evidence at hand, and if they're offering the weak stuff, well, that must mean they don't have anything much stronger than that.


I also note that a scientific commenter here me the lypholyzer is a rather common machine and, in any event, may have been needed to produce the anthrax, but hardly was enough to produce the anthrax.

It all comes down to these "new techniques" the FBI say they've developed to positively ID the anthrax as coming specifically from a specific, distinctive strain found in a flask controlled by Ivins and no other people. I too am suspicious that the FBI's new, improved anthrax-identifying techniques may just be some rubber science being used to convict a dead man. And they're really going to have to reveal these new techniques soon. As in, they should already have done so.

I don't see any reason to keep these techniques secret. Scientists and criminologists need to be allowed to independently test whether these techniques are as case-breaking and definitive as the FBI says.

That said, I have to note the real reason Glenn Greenwald doubts Ivins' guilt: It's because he thinks Bush and Cheney did it. Check out the beginning of his long series of accusatory questions:

Given the significance of the anthrax attacks, it would be unconscionable for there to be anything other than a full-scale Congressional or independent investigation -- with a full airing of all the facts -- regarding everything that happened here. Those issues should include exploration of the following questions, many of which might well have perfectly reasonable and benign explanations, and some of which may not, but until there is a full airing, it will necessarily be the case -- and it should be the case -- that this episode will only serve to further erode whatever lingering trust there is in media and government institutions:


* Why were White House aides given cipro weeks before the anthrax attacks, and why "on the night of the Sept. 11 attacks, [did] the White House Medical Office dispense[] Cipro to staff accompanying Vice President Dick Cheney as he was secreted off to the safety of Camp David"? [Washington Post, 10/23/2001];

* Why, if Cheney was given cipro on the night of the 9/11 attacks, was he allegedly "convinced that he had been subjected to a lethal dose of anthrax" on October 18, and that this fear is what led him to seek refuge in "undisclosed locations" and thereafter support an array of hard-line tactics against suspected terrorists? [Jane Mayer, The Dark Side, 2008];

* Which "high government official" told Richard Cohen to take cipro prior to the anthrax attacks (it wasn't a "source" who did so, since Cohen didn't write about it and apparently never intended to; it was just someone high up in Government passing along a helpful tip to a media friend) [Richard Cohen, Slate, March 18, 2008];

* Did the FBI meaningfully investigate who sent an anonymous letter to the FBI after the anthrax letters were sent, but before they were made public, accusing a former Fort Detrick scientist -- the Arab-American Ayaad Assaad -- of being a "potential biological terrorist," after Assaad was forced out of Fort Detrick by a group of USAMRIID bioweapons researchers who had exhibited extreme anti-Arab animus? [Laura Rozen, Salon, 1/26/2002];

* Why did the FBI gives its consent in October, 2001 for the remaining samples of the Ames anthrax strain to be destroyed, thereby losing crucial "genetic clues valuable to the criminal inquiry"? [San Francisco Chronicle, 11/9/2001];

Further questions flesh out his theory that the anthrax was released by Bush in order to pin on Iraq to justify the invasions.

Yeah, that'll work. Bush did it, Hoss. Bush did everything.

Also: Someone mentioned the Kappa Kappa Gamma sorority angle. I didn't know what he was talking about. Here's what that was all about:

Just to illustrate how utterly unreliable and often frivolous the Government-media leaking ritual has been, look at what happened yesterday. The AP's big, leaked scoop of the day to incriminate Ivins was this:

The top suspect in the 2001 anthrax attacks was obsessed with a sorority that sat less than 100 yards away from a New Jersey mailbox where the toxin-laced letters were sent, authorities said today. . . .

The bizarre link to the sorority may indirectly explain one of the biggest mysteries in the case: why the anthrax was mailed from Princeton, 195 miles from the Army biological weapons lab the anthrax is believed to have been smuggled out of.

That's not exactly convincing evidence. Its primary purpose seems to be to make Ivins look creepy -- he harbored a decades-long obsession with a college sorority -- but at least one could argue it would be enough of a circumstantial link to be worth noting. But as it turns out, the leaked information wasn't even close to accurate. Shortly after that leak appeared, it transformed into this laughable claim in an updated AP story:

The mailbox just off the campus of Princeton University where the letters were mailed sits about 100 yards away from where the college's Kappa Kappa Gamma chapter stores its rush materials, initiation robes and other property. Sorority members do not live there, and the Kappa chapter at Princeton does not provide a house for the women.

Good point, eh? Just for balance, let's look at a blogger he cites as an authority on the case:

14. The anthrax letters were sent for effect, not to kill. (See my 2002 article for more on this.) Here are the effects that resulted, at least in part, from the letters:

A. The Patriot Act
B. War against Iraq
C. A new bioterrorism industry, worth over $50 Billion so far, was created
D. The moribund Anthrax Vaccine Program was resurrected

Who benefited? Ivins was no beneficiary. (Had the Bioport vaccine been killed, as planned, maybe Ivins' vaccine would have taken its place.)

You know who benefited:

* The bioevangelists, who have made a ton of bucks on the threat
* The Neocons, looking for an excuse to attack Iraq. The Iraqis may not have attacked the World Trade Center, but by golly, everyone knew they had anthrax!
* Those seeking to consolidate more power in the executive branch, increase the surveillance of Americans, get rid of Habeus Corpus, and on and on.

Just so you know where Greenwald is coming from -- he's a Truther, at least on anthrax, but not quite gutsy enough to come out of the closet and say so.

That said: I have to say at this point I am seriously doubting the FBI.

I simply do not believe one even bothers offering this sort of utter nonsense as evidence of any kind if one has smoking-gun "new techniques" which definitively prove the anthrax came from Ivins' flask.

Why are they not releasing these techniques? Do they wish to hide these powerful new methods from their fellow criminologists?

I have a feeling these "new techniques" are not particularly conclusive or rigorous at all. A bit like handwriting comparisons, which are always of a pretty bullshitty, more-art-than-science-and-barely-an-art-at-that sort of evidence.

So that the case is really that Ivins had access to the Ames strain, which a lot of people do, and he was weird and kinda kooky, which, I admit, is certainly enough reason to investigate someone on, but not nearly, by itself, enough to convict someone on.

And if the FBI does have this definitive, super-duper new anthrax analyzin' technique that proves the case beyond the doubt, why are they gaslighting me with this bullshit about sorority-house obsessions and Islamist catchphrases that one could have lifted from the beginning of The Naked Gun?


Oh: I realize some of this weak crap (like the sorority thing) might have been included in previous applications for search warrants, and that's why it's coming out. It's in the record. And yeah, police sometimes have to strain for probable cause for a search warrant.

But if they had these new techniques conclusively proving the anthrax had come from Ivins' flask and none other, why wouldn't that and that alone be enough to secure all the warrants you might want?

Posted by: Ace at 07:52 PM



Comments

1

It's confounding, no doubt, a Betsy bee up the bonnet!

 

It’s been a while since I’ve clarified things for you, as my time has been dominated by productive pursuits, motion-tracking augmented data (similar to that goofy yellow “first down line” you see on televised football games), fiducial marker recognition using machine vision, and the construction of controlled environments containing any number of sensors and actuators.

 

I hate to repeat myself but recent actions thwart all attempts at understanding of motives, and it all is hanging barely by a thread, a ambiguous metaphor, or a flinging of baloney at clueless people trying to figure out which fork to use, as Repug candidates embrace the promise of alienation and it’s various gifts it has bestowed on them in the interim.

 

What is needed is dissolving of old time-worn modalities, mandatory enumerating of the latest tome by the Shulgins, compulsory ethno-botany injections, prepared nostrums, the erotic throb of the zeitgeist, existence in the indeterminate zone betwixt opportunity and dilemma. Wasn’t it Gurdjieff  (or was it Soupy Sales?) that claimed that people do not perceive reality, as they are not conscious of themselves, but live in a state of hypnotic "waking sleep." I guess I’m disappointed with the piss-poor results I see today in our democracy because of lack of commonality of perception, and it bites me on the ass every trash night. It’s the monkey mind, post-McLuhanist. No one is in control, absolutely no one. Are you there, however?

Posted by: Carl Gordon at August 07, 2008 08:00 PM (78IpS)

2

[did] the White House Medical Office dispense Cipro to staff accompanying Vice President Dick Cheney as he was secreted off to the safety of Camp David"?

Because one of the off-label uses of Cipro is "to quell awe "when exposed to the enormity-ness of the Cheney cock.

Posted by: BumperStickerist at August 07, 2008 08:00 PM (UeP9e)

3

 Why, if Cheney was given cipro on the night of the 9/11 attacks, was he allegedly "convinced that he had been subjected to a lethal [sic] dose of anthrax" on October 18, and that this fear is what led him to seek refuge in "undisclosed locations" and thereafter support an array of hard-line tactics against suspected terrorists?

Because Cheney was performing "a goof".

The more likely scenario is taht Cheney amused himself by creating a pretext whereby he could be given drugs at undisclosed locations ... and in the process open a can of whoop-ass, hardline tactics against suspected terrorists.

sounds like fun.

or last Tuesday.

I mean, seriously, Dick Cheney subjected to a "lethal dose of  anthrax"?

c'mon.

Dick Cheney's cock allegedly responded thusly: weaponize *this*

Posted by: BumperStickerist at August 07, 2008 08:06 PM (UeP9e)

4 Luckily Gorelick and Ben-Viniste will be holding a Kangaroo Court "Truth Commission" after the election, so we can find out how Bush and Cheney managed to poison so many innocent Americans. We already know why-- it was Rove's Idea.

Posted by: Potosi Joel at August 07, 2008 08:07 PM (TPRbZ)

5 Liberalism is a mental disorder.

Posted by: sergei at August 07, 2008 08:14 PM (AGMH1)

6 Cue the new 'Ivins Truther Movement.'

Posted by: Stinky Esposito at August 07, 2008 08:16 PM (MMC8r)

7

Wait a minute... NPR is onto something.

Who's even more pro-life, more critical of pro-choice Catholics, and even more Catholic?  That's right, bitches- the Pope did it.  I expect my FBI reward money to arrive in the mail any day now.

And Ace is taking Greenwald seriously?  Wow- that whole mystery illness must've been worse than I thought.  There's a big difference between legitimate scepticism and trutherism, and Gleen looks to be firmly in the latter camp.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at August 07, 2008 08:17 PM (rf03a)

8 Greenwald has his head so far up his ass his brain is constipated.

Posted by: GarandFan at August 07, 2008 08:20 PM (eJ32B)

9

Can we get just a small tube of that Occam's razor over there?

Yeah, the one that says Ivins was an evil fuck looking for an excuse.

A little goes a long way.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at August 07, 2008 08:23 PM (t0Rca)

10 I don't take him seriously per se, but I have a longstanding personal rule that if someone's offering weak evidence, that means that's the best they got.

Add to that the FBI's apparent confusing messages about those "hundreds" of unsent letters in ivins' homes -- some take this to mean that these are "Death to America, Death to Israel" anthrax letters, but of course they're not; they're just more obsessive letters to the editor and letters to congressmen. 

I mean, that is simply not terribly convincing evidence at all.  It's relevant; the anthrax killer had an interest in the media and congress; so did Ivins.  But yeah, so do I.  So does everyone on this site.  It's relevant, yes, but *barely* so, and hardly even worth mentioning if you've got something really potent.


Posted by: ace at August 07, 2008 08:23 PM (1WR4H)

11

I mean, that is simply not terribly convincing evidence at all.  It's relevant; the anthrax killer had an interest in the media and congress; so did Ivins.  But yeah, so do I.  So does everyone on this site.  It's relevant, yes, but *barely* so, and hardly even worth mentioning if you've got something really potent.

1.  Since when did the FBI start releasing everything they have when it relates to a terrorism investigation?

2.  Their case is largely cirmumstantial- they don't have a confession or video of him performing every aspect of the crime.  When a case relies heavily on circumstantial evidence, there's going to be pieces that on their own don't look terribly strong- but when taken together are damning.

3.  They do have physical evidence as well- the DNA analysis of the anthrax itself.  They performed a lengthy investigation to rule out those who had access to it.

I'd like to see a smoking gun, beyond any doubt, ironclad case have been made too, but if we relied on that standard it would be very difficult to convict anyone of anything- sufficent evidence doesn't always exist.  So far those questioning the FBI on this appear to be nitpicking the less significant aspects of the case, and implying that the FBI fudged others since they're not releasing in detail every single detail and method used- which they rarely do in a terrorism investigation.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at August 07, 2008 08:40 PM (plsiE)

12 We must be approaching the end times if AOS is praising Greenwald.

Credit to Ace to recognizing this does stink.  Even if Ivins acted alone, the amount of BS that was peddled by "government sources" linking Iraq to the anthrax attacks based on falsity - bentonite - sucks.

Posted by: icus at August 07, 2008 08:44 PM (I3lj0)

13 Someone explain something to me. How in the hell did the Anthrax Letters lead to the Iraq War? I don't seem to remember Colin Powell offering that particular piece of evidence to the UN security council.

Posted by: madne0 at August 07, 2008 08:46 PM (Y+Qcc)

14

With respect to the update- already the "questioners" are casting doubt on the vial they found because the FBI hasn't released details of how they traced it to the anthrax used in the attacks.  Would their case be stronger if they relied on it solely without the circumstantial evidence thrown in?

Now that the likes of Greenwald have staked their position, nothing the FBI releases from this point on is going to change their minds.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at August 07, 2008 08:53 PM (plsiE)

15 Eventually Bush Derangement Syndrome shows up in everything that comes out of D.C. these days. We could almost run an office pool here, based on the week/day/hour that some Leftard or Libertard starts shrieking "zOMG Bushlied conspiracy TRoof!" about a terrorism or national security story.


Posted by: exdem13 at August 07, 2008 08:53 PM (fenBi)

16 In the end, it's really to our advantage that NPR and the lefty MSM use this sort of tactic. It's like how the hyper-liberal university system pumps out a dedicated ten percent student body that is leftist and a half or three-quarters student body that is highly suspicious of leftist propaganda. It also helps to insulate liberal politicians from reality and makes them walk through rhetorical minefields when they campaign.

I say, thank you, douche bags.

And the Anthrax Thruferism, Gleen? You go girl.


Posted by: runninrebel at August 07, 2008 09:11 PM (qAMnO)

17

Well, I'm just struggling to care......failing.

Just shoot the MF.

Posted by: Scott at August 07, 2008 09:13 PM (KG/+D)

18 The butler did it.  The butler is always the one who does it.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at August 07, 2008 09:47 PM (SLqkZ)

19 The FBI needs to release the technique they developed.

It has to be peer reviewed, period. If its not peer reviewed, its worthless.

Until then, I agree with Ace.

Posted by: LiveFreeOrDie at August 07, 2008 09:59 PM (XcMb4)

20 or a flinging of baloney at clueless people trying to figure out which fork to use,
Carl, could you please enlighten us? Exactly which fork does one use to catch flung baloney?

Posted by: Jack Bauer's Evil Brother at August 07, 2008 10:04 PM (NIBuj)

21 While Soxy McGreenwald does his best to put ChimpHiter and The Dark Lord Cheney behind this, there is fly in the ointment. The Whitehouse denied that the anthrax contained bentonite, thereby linking it to Iraq, every time they were asked about it. http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/44425_main27.shtml

Posted by: DJ Rick at August 07, 2008 10:22 PM (B6yj7)

22 yes, but that's the kind of thing They would say when attempting to let others take the blame for Their dirty work.

Posted by: ace at August 07, 2008 10:24 PM (1WR4H)

23

So why were the letters not mailed from U. Maryland or John Hopkin's Kappa Kappa Gamma chapter. Why is there no proof of anything originating from where the letters must have been postmarked. Why is the evidence of the Ames strain and less of the Dugway strain. An argument was made that Daschle and Leahy opposed the continuation of the development of the anthrax vaccine; and hence that was why they were targets; a dubious argument but it has more merit than other scenarios proposed.

 It still seems odd, that Waleed Zufaat; the AQ  biologist at the Kuala Lampur summit, where Al Midhar and Al Hazmi were spotted; had sent Moussaoui as his emissary. The reports of Atta's possible exposure, his scouting out crop dusters at the local Agricultural Extension office, what later found out about the late Mirsat Midhar "Aka Abu Khebab" chemical experiments in Afghanistan. All those instances "scream out Motive and Means" rather than a biologist that everyone seemed to rely on. Mind you, a Hansen or Ames type personality is not out of the question in this circumstance; but really.

Posted by: narciso at August 07, 2008 10:35 PM (8nB5X)

24

The FBI needs to release the technique they developed.

It has to be peer reviewed, period. If its not peer reviewed, its worthless.

Until then, I agree with Ace.

Even if releasing the details of that technique would provide information on how to detect, culture and weaponize anthrax? 

They were building a case with the intent of going to trial.  I doubt they simply decided to say "Fuck it, let's just make a baseless claim that it's a match.  No one doubts the FBI"

Posted by: Hollowpoint at August 07, 2008 10:40 PM (rf03a)

25

he's dogged in reading the documents

What the fork is that supposed to mean, mutha-forker?

Posted by: Michael Vick at August 07, 2008 10:46 PM (OuMcZ)

26 John Paul 2 is dead, and so is Ivins. The trail is just too cold.

Posted by: Potosi Joel at August 07, 2008 10:47 PM (TPRbZ)

27 Doesn't matter.

There may be national security reasons for not releasing information, but some kind of balancing power check still needs to verify... this is actually information and not just random garbage.

Same idea as the FISA court oversight.

Who is doing the oversight?

Posted by: LiveFreeOrDie at August 07, 2008 10:49 PM (yqZyZ)

28

Who is doing the oversight?

Well, I imagine that Ivins' defense attorneys would've been performing that function had he not killed himself just before he was to be arrested... an act that doesn't exactly scream "falsely accused".

Posted by: Hollowpoint at August 07, 2008 11:00 PM (rf03a)

29

The fact they released the extra hot headline "obsessed with sorority chicks" only makes me like the poor schmuck.  Who wouldn't be, especially here.  We're all suspect, then.  Hell, at 100 yards, I'd have a 14" Newtonian with the latest nitrogen cooled CCD camera strategically hidden behind a beaded curtain.  What bullshit. 

As Ace points out, why throw-out this kind of ridiculous information when they have a rock-solid case.  Right?  I mean, that's what they have... right?  They do have a rock-solid case.  Right?

 

Posted by: rdbrewer at August 07, 2008 11:03 PM (CrSOk)

30

Oh, yeah.  The Kappa Kappa Gammas at my school gave rise to many nefarious, um, they... uh...  "plans."  Gawd, those girls were hot. 

Posted by: rdbrewer at August 07, 2008 11:06 PM (CrSOk)

31 Imagine how the liberals would feel if Foxnews, Rush Limbaugh, and Sean Hannity were all funded by tax dollars.

That's basically how I feel about NPR.

Posted by: ghy at August 07, 2008 11:24 PM (8jYMc)

32 Good news is that when talking anthrax, like when not down south and asking for a coke (meaning, maybe, ya want a cola), you actually get a Coke (tm), when you ask for anthrax you get the Ames strain.

It would be more interesting if the letters carried a strain common to, say, New Jersey (or Bolivia), and the subject had cultures of the New Jersey (or Bolivia) strain.

That being said, "weaponizing" the 'poor man's nuke' is pretty simple. Send me a check for $100k and I'll be glad to show you how, using typical sophomore college texts.


Posted by: shit-house lawyer at August 07, 2008 11:54 PM (2CVxB)

33

Why were White House aides given cipro weeks before the anthrax attacks, and why "on the night of the Sept. 11 attacks, [did] the White House Medical Office dispense[] Cipro to staff accompanying Vice President Dick Cheney as he was secreted off to the safety of Camp David"? [Washington Post, 10/23/2001];

The sophistry at work here is that it expects enough time has passed that the frame of mind of that era is forgotten. Anthrax was the terrorist fear, we were on high alert for terrorist attacks, Clinton had started vaccinating our armed forces for Anthrax, the invention of Cipro was a big story...all of this before 9/11.

That being said, the dictums leading to these people taking Cipro would come from the government's experts who were really concerned about anthrax and/or really concerned and invested in keeping anthrax fear a big concern. Like Greenwald's boy Irvins.

Posted by: Curtis at August 08, 2008 12:01 AM (W3MTk)

34 C'mon, when has The Gleen(s) ever not engaged in the histrionics of a conspiratorial subterfuge?

That's his bread & butter, baby!

Posted by: A happy little mushroom steeped in a DHS shithole at August 08, 2008 12:40 AM (zAvxs)

35 cipro is a fucking common antibiotic.  it's not some anthrax-vaccine.

Dick Cheney has been in and out of hospitals a lot.  Maybe they just think it's a good idea that he should have cipro, in case his, I don't know, stent gets infected.

You know who had cipro before 9/11 ?  I fucking did.  My gf at the time had it in the cabinet from months before for some illness.


Posted by: ace at August 08, 2008 01:19 AM (1WR4H)

36

Smokinggun.com has the affidavit for the search warrants....interesting read.

One thing is clear, Ivans was full blown crazy, had the skill, access to a lab (to include a week of late night visits - possibly to finish the growth of an Ivans strain?)....I know it's easy to say "Bush did it"...but the case for the search warrant seemed  pretty valid to me.

Posted by: Slingblade99 at August 08, 2008 05:56 AM (6wk9g)

37

My gf at the time had it in the cabinet from months before for some illness.

You've had a gf?!

Posted by: JohnW at August 08, 2008 09:51 AM (VwyXH)

38

Ooo, boy, Greenwald is sure onto something now.  Except for the nagging facts that the Anthrax "attacks" were almost entirely lame, NEVER linked to Iraq or any foreign nation, fairly well determined to be some form of domestic terrorism, and all but gone and forgotten by the time we even STARTED debating going to war with Iraq.  And while everyone that didn't or doesn't currently have their heads in the sand was busy in 2002 and 2003 saying how dangerous Saddam was and how we couldn't allow him to have WMD, nobody ever made the link between Saddam and the anthrax attacks.

This Truther conspiracy is the most pathetic to date.

Posted by: deadrody at August 08, 2008 10:07 AM (Gc1ql)

39 Sorority connection or no, the Princeton mailing location just seems like elementary criminal misdirection, a fairly sensible ruse.  I.e., mail the anthrax from a distant (but not so distant that it's a *huge* pain in the ass to reach) location with a major research university.  Throw suspicion on the Princeton scientific community instead of the Fort Detrick community. (I don't know if Princeton would, in fact, be a possible source for the anthrax, but it seems plausible enough.)

Posted by: suedenim at August 08, 2008 10:13 AM (c9Glf)

40 Greenwald is sure onto something now.

Greenwald is sure on to something now.  And I could become the next drug lord billionaire selling whatever it is.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at August 08, 2008 11:53 AM (SLqkZ)

41 Greenwald and the liberals have done what the FBI couldn't:  they've convinced me that Ivins is the anthrax terrorist.

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