1 Corvettes ride so low to the ground that you can't miss seeing a biker.

2 Actually the story says he hit a pedestrian, and the bicyclist chased him down.

3

Stupid drive-over media.

4

LOFL. The Corvette part doesn't seem to matter, as according to the biker he didn't run down the guy was splayed across his windshield.

Even in a semi, you've got to notice someone splayed across your windshield...

Somebodies lying. I dunno who.

5 If it was Joe Wilson, drop the charges.

6

I still think it's funny that the "prince of darkness" drives a black Corvette.

Maybe it was just a hobo.  Not very sporting, but he'd have had his heart in the right place.

7 I have great respect for Bob Novak as a reporter and a pundit, but I've never particularly liked him. Hit-and-running a pedestrian would seem to confirm his prickitude.

8 Sue the lawyer for smudging his windshield and causing him a delay and damage to his reputation. WHY was a "pedestrian" on the road at the same time as a Corvette?

Sounds to me like Novak is in the clear.

9 come on.......no one that wears a VEST with his suit, dirves a corvette.....

10 I'm saying that if a Leaf falls on my Vette, I notice.

11 when a car and a pedestrian collide, the pedestrian is often at fault. 

The biker was a lawyer, so there is a possibility of dishonesty here.  Novack isn't stupid and I doubt he'd drive off (and though that the claim, it's clear he never actually left the scene... the lawyer claims to have stopped Novack from doing so, but this seems improbable).

Someone indeed is lying.  Hopefully there are cameras.  of course, without major injuries, I don't see why this is a big deal (I expect to see the pedestrian develop major injuries now that it's clear a wealthy person is involved).

12

Grain of Salt Alert:  David Bono (guy on bicycle) is an Obama donor.

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13 "I doubt he'd drive off"

I could totally see him panicking and getting flustered.

"without major injuries, I don't see why this is a big deal"

A little thing like the law against running from the scene of an accident. Also, the law often punishes a person's moral intent. And if Novak fled rather than offer assistance to someone who could well have been seriously injured (he made no attempt to find out) or accept responsibility and wait for the police, then he's a criminal.

If he then obstructed justice by lying to the police about what he saw, then he's a criminal.

Notice the word "if". Nothing's been proven, but these are hardly small matters, ghy, don't you agree?

14 "Grain of Salt Alert:  David Bono (guy on bicycle) is an Obama donor."

So? It sounds to me like the bicyclist is to be commended for stopping Novak from leaving, perhaps at some risk to himself.

Even IF Novak was completely unaware he hit someone, the bicyclist did the right thing by trying to prevent Novak from leaving. Can't you acknowledge that?

15

If they ever perfect that fiber optic invisibility suit, lawyer-pedestrian-bicyclists will destroy this world. One corvette, one confused driver at a time.

16 I would be suprised if a bicycle riding lawyer WASN'T an Obama supporter.

17 Hear, hear, Obvious Conclusion.

18 Never liked Novak.

19 Did he leave anyone at the bottom of a body of water?  Hello?  Hello?

20

Key question:

The dude who got ran over:

Is the lawyer on the bicycle his lawyer?

21 Cristoph, sure, if Novack actually fled, which it's likely he didn't since he, you know, was still there, then he has criminal charges to deal with.

Of course, he hasn't been charged with anything, and there are moonbats in DC who would love to invent something like this, wouldn't you agree?

I an speculate all day, but it's clear that the lawyer on the bike is hostile to Novack.  Is it because Novack fled in a car and the biker chased him down (and amazingly unlikely story)?  Is it because the lawyer is a nutjob?  We don't know.

Again, it's not even clear that Novack knew he hit anybody.  It's extremely probably that the lawyer is lying about a person being splayed on the windsheild, because if a car flees with you on the windshield, you'll be thrown off violently with a lot of injuries.  Novack probably wouldn't panic to that level in an area you can guarantee has lots of cameras when Novack hasn't committed a crime (getting in a car accident). 

Sounds like you're like the lawyer, ready to invent a problem to 'get' a republican. 

22

"Grain of Salt Alert:  David Bono (guy on bicycle) is an Obama donor."

So? It sounds to me like the bicyclist is to be commended for stopping Novak from leaving, perhaps at some risk to himself.

Even IF Novak was completely unaware he hit someone, the bicyclist did the right thing by trying to prevent Novak from leaving. Can't you acknowledge that?

Uh, no, because I'm taking the whole story (especially the part about the guy being up on the hood) with a FUCKING GRAIN OF SALT, as the title of my "alert" might have implied.  If someone tracks down a hit-and-run driver, then lies to the media about what they saw for political reasons, they are not quite a hero in my book, because they didn't truly "do the right thing".

23 "Did he leave anyone at the bottom of a body of water?  Hello?  Hello?"

MAJHAM, what's your point? We DISDAIN Teddy Kennedy for fleeing the seen of an accident. We don't then turn around and give Novak a pass for it.

Yes, in this case, insofar as there was no one trapped under water and there were tons of other RESPONSIBLE people around to help the injured pedestrian, the consequences were not as dire.

But... from a criminal point of view, if Novak fled without stopping and realized he'd hit someone, then, given the chance to get his wits about him, lied to the police about it... he could be or should be in hot water.

If that's all true.

And it's the sort of thing I am justified in criticizing him for... for similar self-serving, self-interested, callous reasons I criticize Ted Kennedy.

24 Buzz, if your speculation is factually correct, of course you're right.

However, while I could see nutters doing something like that to McCain, to hurt someone who really matters, I can't see two Washington lawyers going out of their way to commit a criminal conspiracy to nail Bob Novak, at risk of injury to both and actual injury to one.

It's possible. But I doubt it.

Occam's razor makes a hit and run seem more likely, something which Ace among others seem to agree with me on. The other possibility I think might have happened (and this is the one *I* take with a grain of salt) is Novak was truly unaware he'd hit someone and the bicyclist mistaken on that score.

Not scheming. Mistaken.

The police will investigate and I wish them success in getting to the truth.

25 "Cristoph, sure, if Novack actually fled, which it's likely he didn't since he, you know, was still there..."

ghy, the bicyclist says he physically blocked Novak's path.

"Sounds like you're like the lawyer, ready to invent a problem to 'get' a republican."

Sounds to me you missed the part where a pedestrian was struck by a Corvette and a 66-year old man sent to hospital as a result, the driver of said Corvette not stopping to offer assistance or wait for the police.

26 For those who believe Novak's side, and I certainly don't know as I wasn't there and am not investigating, this comment at Protein Wisdom is as likely a guess as any.

It's not the accident that particularly concerns me (since fortunately the injuries appear to have been minor), it's the trying to leave the scene. If that's what happened.

27 Ace, is a "pedestrial" somewhat between a pedestrian and a pedophile? If so, I would say Chuck Schumer got clipped.

28 lol... I was going to ask Ace what kind of pedestrial Novak ran over.

On a serious note, CBS reports:

As he traveled east on K Street, crossing 18th, Bono said a "black Corvette convertible with top closed plowed into the guy. The guy is sort of splayed onto the windshield.”

Bono said that the pedestrian, who was crossing the street on a "Walk" signal and was in the crosswalk, rolled off the windshield and that Novak then made a right into the service lane of K Street. “The car is speeding away. What’s going through my mind is, you just can’t hit a pedestrian and drive away,” Bono said.

He said he chased Novak half a block down K Street., finally caught up with him and then put his bike in front of the car to block it and called 911. Traffic immediately backed up, horns blared and commuters finally went into reverse to allow Novak to pull over.

Bono said that throughout, Novak "keeps trying to get away. He keeps trying to go.” He said he vaguely recognized the longtime political reporter and columnist as a Washington celebrity but could not precisely place him.

Finally, Bono said, Novak put his head out the window of his car and motioned him over. Bono said he told him that you can't hit a pedestrian and just drive away. He quoted Novak as responding: “I didn’t see him there.”

So who knows?

But on average, when you hit a pedestrian even at slow speed and the pedestrian touches any part of your windshield, in a small car like a Corvette, you USUALLY are aware you've hit a 150lb+ object, are you not?

So isn't the bicyclist's statement seems AT LEAST as likely as Novak's?

29

Rove...  I blame Rove.  He's trying to nudge Obama out of the headlines.

30

Seriously, if he didn't see the guy he hit, why wouldn't he deny it?  I mean I drive around all the time, and if I drove down the street and the cops gave me a citation for hitting someone, and I didn't notice it in the first place, I would deny it.  Unless it seemed plausible that he hit someone.

There's not a lot of middle ground.

31

Cristoph:

I'm not saying the cyclist is lying, I'm saying that he could be lying, and as an Obama donor could actually have motive to smear Novak, who not only is a conservative columnist but is with a Chicago paper that has been fairly tough on Obama.  Plus the story just sounds a little bit odd.  So I'm just suggesting people take his story, again, with a grain of salt.

I'm not trying to be a prick, I just think it's not essential that it be decided, right here and now and with no further info, exactly what happened. 

32 48hour rule applies perhaps?

33 Sure, Buzz, I've already agreed with you on that if the facts are as you speculate.

I'm just saying I find your interpretation by far the least unlikely of the 4 possibilities. In my opinion, they are:

1. Hit and run.
2. Novak didn't realize he hit someone and bicyclist is mistaken.
3. Novak didn't realize he hit someone and bicyclist is a really sharp opportunist.
4. Two Washington lawyers conspired that one of them, at age 66, would be hit or at least pretend to be hit in public with numerous other witnesses present in an effort to tarnish a Washington Post columnist who, by good fortune from their point of view, knowingly or unknowingly fled from the scene.

I acknowledge all 4 of those scenarios are possible.

34 Novak doesn't seem like a guy that'd do a hit-and-run?

The guy who said this to the Washington Post?
"I really hate jaywalkers. I despise them. Since I don't run the country, all I can do is yell at 'em. The other option is to run 'em over, but as a compassionate conservative, I would never do that."

Naw, he sounds like a real peach of a guy.   What a douchebag.

35 Oh, and the fact that the guy was a lawyer RIDING A BIKE in DC should have told you all you need to know about his political inclinations.

36 Actually, Novak was just doing what everyone else does at 18th and K. He wasn't fleeing because he hadn't done anything wrong.

37 You take the cake, Jonn Lilyea, the ultimate in denial.

Nothing wrong at all? "Actually." And you know this how?

I don't even think Novak has made such a blanket claim unless he's going to stand on principle and fight his Failure to Yield ticket and when asked how the guy in hospital got there say, "Beats me."

38

Even IF Novak was completely unaware he hit someone, the bicyclist did the right thing by trying to prevent Novak from leaving. Can't you acknowledge that?

Of course I'll acknowledge that but couldn't the cyclist have seen Novak hit the pedestrian but in a way that might have not been obvious to him and then, after catching up to Novaks car, decided "Heh, I'm a liberal and here is Bob Novak the guy who hurt my heroes the liar Joe Wilson and his wife/superspy Valerie so I'm going to lie about what happened in order to make him look as bad as possible?". 

Riddle me this Batman, why would a sober Bob Novak who has car insurance flee from the scene of an accident?  Also the lawyers take on it seems a little made up especially about him saying to himself "hey you can't just run over pedestrians", he's a lawyer I can't imagine he'd have to convince himself of that.  Not to mention you just allegedly watched him run over a pedestrian to the point he flew up on the window but you aren't going to have any hesitation about pulling your bike in front of the lunatics car?  What if he was drunk?  Why not just grab the license plate? 

 

39 Having been a pedestrian on 18th and K several times every week, I think I've earned the right to be flip about it. If you can't spot a joke, Christoph, you, sir, take the cake.

And contrary to spamhead's characterization of bicycle riders in DC, I'm also seen pedaling (note the spelling) my ass all over DC and I haven't voted for a Democrat since 1976 (my greatest shame).

40 I get it now, Jonn, i.e., everyone is running over pedestrians. Funny.

Jimmy Carter. Not so funny.

41 I thought about that Big E, and I listed that 3rd most likely on my list of 4 possibilities.

A few problems with it. Someone DOES appear to have been hit and Novak, by his own admission, did NOT stop. So making up a tale to his effect seems unnecessary. Also, there were numerous witnesses, maybe even video, and definitely the person struck who may well know whether they fell on the windshield or not.

So, again, why risk his credibility with lying when he didn't have a dog in this fight?

It's a possibility as I said, but it's a less likely one than either genuine mistake on his part or, more likely, hit and run.

42

Why should any conservative give a crap about Robert Novak? If it wasn't for him, we could have spent 2005 and 2006 enacting  a conservative agenda rather than the Valerie Plame non-story circus.

43 I'm hazy on the details, Dirk, but didn't Novak puss out during part of that?

Isn't self-serving fear really the Novak norm?

44

Look, the most likely scenario is that everything happened as it was described - Novak hit a pedestrian, panicked and tried to run off. There's no need to bring grand impromptu conspiracies into this. Being a conservative commentator is no immunity against doing stupid/bad/foolish thing.

Besides he's a member of the media elite so this will all get buried anyway.

45

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46 Cristoph, you claim the guy on the bike blocked a corvette from leaving.

That's utterly irrational.

If Novack wanted to leave he could have.  Nothing was really in his way.  He did not leave, he did not attempt to leave, and anyone claiming otherwise is simply wrong, if the only fact they have is that a bicycle impeded about ten degrees of the 360 degrees around the car.

It's not likely that two lawyers got up this morning and decided to fuck with Niovack, but it's not unlikely that they are completely lying about the situation for money, for political BS, and just because bicyclists are dicks.

If a bicycle was trying to stop you, in a car, from moving, would it be able to?  No.  Is the fact that a bicycle wanted to block a car evidence that the car was fleeing?  It can't be.

47 If you'd read the article, ghy, with an attempt to understand, you'd see there were cars behind Novak honking at him so that blows your 360 deg out of the water. Your 10 deg was always laughable. And there would be a curb on one side and oncoming traffic on other. Plus, the cyclist was shouting to gain attention which isn't a degree of angle, as such, but is consistent with trying to stop someone from fleeing.

To answer your question, "If a bicycle was trying to stop you, in a car, from moving, would it be able to?"

No, I could just plow through the thing.

Unless I'd already done that once today and decided it was time for a different approach.

48 "Nothing was really in his way."

You know, genius, why don't you tell that to the Chinese Army?

49

It's a possibility as I said, but it's a less likely one than either genuine mistake on his part or, more likely, hit and run.

Dude in my scenario it is a genuine mistake on Novak's part but that said I say just let it play out.  One of them is lying, I was just conjuring up scenarios where it might be the bicyclist not Novak.  In addition I tried to show that the most likely explanation per Occam's Razor isn't that clear cut.  I mean why would Novak run unless he was involved in some other illegal activity at the time (DUI, no license or insurance something like that) which hasn't been reported and seems unlikely.  The motivation for a far left loon to lie about the hated Bob Novak seems pretty clear.

Anyway I'm not pretending to know.  If I had to lay odds I'd say that the most likely is that Novak hit the guy and for some reason ran.  I can't for the life of me imagine why but there you go.

50

If you'd read the article, ghy, with an attempt to understand

I'm not your ghy, bhddy.

....

Can't help it.

51 Christoph, you've made a ton of ridiculous assumptions.  If traffic was as you said, then there is absolutely no way Novak hit a uy hard enough to splay him across his windshield.  Also, if traffic was as dense as you claim, he couldn't have fled, and very possibly was trying to pull aside to permit traffic to flow when a hysterical idiot tried to block him.  You do know it's illegal to block traffic for a minor incident, such as barely bumping a pedestrian that violated right of way?  Novack can't just jump out of his car right there.

Besides which, there's nothing laughable about the fact that a bike only blocks about ten degrees of motion for a car.  there are other lanes of traffic, and it's likely Novak wouldn't have even had to enter the other lanes (that street has 4 lanes if I recall), to avoid a bike in only part of the lane.  his car is much more nimble and fast.  If he felt like fleeing, then he would have fled.  It's just obvious to anyone trying to be fair. 

the article is crap.  It's typical assertion without justification.  You've decided to nail Novak to the wall with no idea what happened.  All I'm saying is that it's clear he wasn't fleeing, since he didn't.  That someone tried to block him with a pathetic bike is perfectly meaningless.  The fact that an unimpeded corvette can go 60 mph in 5 seconds if unimpeded means that the bike was able to block novak nearly instantly... or that Novak was caught in traffic and couldn't have possible attempted to flee.  There are no other explanations.

There's been enough time now for the police to review the tapes.  yet Novak hasn't been charged.  This is predictable to me, since Novak did nothing wrong.  To you, it's baffling (which is probably not new for you). 

Your hysterics at me are mainly because you were too stupid to realize that I was talking about Novak's civil liability, and it was embarassing for you to realize that you were making critiques of my analysis that were completely stupid.  Keep it up.  I couldn't troll a moron better if I actually tried.

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