Obama Supports... <i>Preemptive War</i>?

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Oh, I'm sure he didn't mean that. What did he mean? I have no idea, and I doubt he does either. Captain Bullshit's words do not necessarily accord with any sort of coherent reality.

But what does this mean?

"The danger ... is that we are constantly fighting the last war, responding to the threats that have come to fruition, instead of staying one step ahead of the threats of the 21st century."

Ermm... wasn't that Bush's rationale for waging a "war of choice" in Iraq? to stay ahead of threats before they came to fruition?

Even if Obama wants to claim that Bush's judgment was inaccurate, he seems to agree with the basics of the idea -- and he, like anyone else, must accept that prophecy is a very difficult business, unless you're actually the Lamb of God, which I guess Obama is, so maybe it won't be so hard for Obama to see the future.

Posted by: Ace at 12:51 PM

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1 I'm pretty sure "staying one step ahead of the threats" means something like negotiating diplomatic diplomacy to negotiate.

Posted by: runninrebel at July 17, 2008 01:02 PM (0n9wc)

Ermm ... no.

There's a difference.

See, it's like this. "Staying one step ahead of the threats of the 21st century" means having enough hugs and caring already in play such that it is inconceivable that 21st century threats would come to any type of fruition, other than a nice fruition, like a hug or a reach-around.

Think of it this way - Parents who actually pull their car over to the side of the road because the kids are fighting in the backseat are fighting the last war. They're Bushian in their approach.

By contrast, if the parents have created an environment of respect and expectation, engaged in leadership-by-example, and conduct themselves in an harmonious fashion at home, before they take the trip, don't have to worry: the kids just *won't* fight in the first place. That's the Obama approach.

Posted by: BumperStickerist at July 17, 2008 01:02 PM (UeP9e)

Nothing wrong with preemption if have the hopey changey moral superiority on your side.

Posted by: John Galt at July 17, 2008 01:05 PM (Lq/Cq)

4 Yeah, that makes sence. I got dibs on hugging Brazil.

Posted by: runninrebel at July 17, 2008 01:06 PM (0n9wc)

Preemptive war is one way to put it.

Practically speaking, I think he's advocating preemptive surrender.

Posted by: Entropy at July 17, 2008 01:10 PM (m6c4H)

6 Wow, this guy is not just talking about pulling out, he's already planning on sticking it somewhere else. Obama might just be my kind of guy after all.

Posted by: Bill Clinton at July 17, 2008 01:11 PM (Q1lie)

7 Preemptive appeasement.

Posted by: joe at July 17, 2008 01:12 PM (Ukf53)

8 I hope he starts dressing like Carnac the Magnificent.

Posted by: Joanie at July 17, 2008 01:17 PM (Z9tCp)

...we are constantly fighting the last war, responding to the threats that have come to fruition...

Is it just me or does that not make any sense at all? What does that even mean?

Does one not respond to threats that have come to fruition? Wha?

The last war is the one where the threats have come to fruition? Wha?

Doublespeak? Halfspeak? Twitspeak? Something?

How does a threat come to fruition? Someones been educated beyond their means.

Posted by: Eleven at July 17, 2008 01:21 PM (7DB+a)

to expand and clarify - what Barack is doing with foreign policy is what guys (and women) in ace's and gabriel's situation sometimes do - they pontificate on their plans for child-raising, offer advice and lectures on child-rearing, breastfeeding, immunizations, studies and magazine articles, the awfulness of television for kids, and such, without actualy, you know, having kids.

I call them Parents without Progeny.

As with these PwoP types, there's no telling Barack that he's wrong or that Reality is going to crush his meta-Reality into tiny bite-sized pieces. If Barack's elected, and that's a bigger "if" than a lot of people think, US policy is going to be experimented upon until something very, very bad happens.

At which point Barack will pull the car over to the damn side of the road and begin administering the pimp¹hand to other countries.

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1) generic, non-racial intention. Infer as you will.

Posted by: BumperStickerist at July 17, 2008 01:21 PM (UeP9e)

11 Oh I see that Obama has a strict workout regimen and visits the gym often, sometimes 3 times a day. Spending much of that time in showers and locker rooms with just guys. Maybe he isn't my kind of guy after all. More like George Stephanieopolis.

Posted by: Bill Clinton at July 17, 2008 01:22 PM (Q1lie)

12 one step ahead of the threats of the 21st century.

I don't think he's saying yes to preemptive war, he's just saying terrorism is so 2001.

We need to confront new and more exciting threats, threats that just coincidently he's perfectly qualified to handle.

What might those be? Well, have you seen a unicorn lately? Who better than Barrack Obama to close the dreaded Unicorn Gap?

What about Hope and its fellow traveler Change? Seems we might be lacking those key qualities. Fortunately Obama has a 21st Century plan to increase our strategic reserves off both those things.

Obama '08...Protecting you from shit that's not a problem!

Posted by: DrewM. at July 17, 2008 01:41 PM (hlYel)

13 You guys are making it way too complicated.

It's ok when democrats do it because they care. It's wrong when republicans do it be cause they are mean, selfish, greedy, racist, sexist, homophobe...

Get it now?

Posted by: Log Cabin at July 17, 2008 01:49 PM (j7zrD)

At which point Barack will pull the car over to the damn side of the road and begin administering the pimp¹hand to other countries.

No he won't. He's the type that will be required to go on Maury Povich and have the drill instructor come on to fix his kid because not only have all his ideas not worked he run out of ideas.

Posted by: buzzion at July 17, 2008 01:51 PM (Lrsi6)

15 Obama plans a pre-emptive strike against Britain in case they are thinking about burning Washington again.

Posted by: Ron at July 17, 2008 02:22 PM (NPzE8)

16 I have no idea what any of this crap means, and for that matter, I don't think Obama does, either. It's kind of like Kerry arguing during one of the 2004 debates that our foreign policy should pass a "global test" and then spent the next six weeks denying he meant what those words obviously meant to any normal adult.

I think I'm going to start calling these "Heisenberg" statements. That is, nobody knows what they really mean until someone talks about them, and then as soon as that happens, they change. The very act of criticizing them causes the meaning to fluctuate and so it is absolutely impossible to determine what they originally were supposed to mean.

Posted by: OregonMuse at July 17, 2008 04:03 PM (FO+YO)

17 Just to nitpick on the language, you're using the term "preemptive war" incorrectly. A preemptive war is where you see the enemy massing their tanks on the border, and in response you call out the jets to bomb the living hell out of them before they can cross. In this case, war is imminent, so the case for self-defense is clear. Think Israel in the Six-Day War.

The Iraq War, however, was not a preemptive war. Instead, it was a "preventative war," where you view that conflict with another country is unavoidable, even though they do not currently have the capability to act against you. Since war is not imminent, the self-defense claim is murkier, and thus engaging in preventative war is more controversial.

Posted by: JSchuler at July 17, 2008 04:31 PM (aoUR7)

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Uhmm....whatever! OoooK! How 'bout "Hey theres some Tango's, Lets fuck'um up" war how's that! Would that make ya feel all warm and cuddly?

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