Obama: 9/11 Attack The Result Of Attackers' "Fundamental Absence Of Empathy"

The New Yorker has a big article on Obama. I haven't read it all yet but there are some interesting excerpts out there already.

Here's Obama from a 9/19/01 speech.

We must also engage, however, in the more difficult task of understanding the sources of such madness. The essence of this tragedy, it seems to me, derives from a fundamental absence of empathy on the part of the attackers: an inability to imagine, or connect with, the humanity and suffering of others. Such a failure of empathy, such numbness to the pain of a child or the desperation of a parent, is not innate; nor, history tells us, is it unique to a particular culture, religion, or ethnicity. It may find expression in a particular brand of violence, and may be channeled by particular demagogues or fanatics. Most often, though, it grows out of a climate of poverty and ignorance, helplessness and despair.

We will have to make sure, despite our rage, that any U.S. military action takes into account the lives of innocent civilians abroad. We will have to be unwavering in opposing bigotry or discrimination directed against neighbors and friends of Middle Eastern descent. Finally, we will have to devote far more attention to the monumental task of raising the hopes and prospects of embittered children across the globechildren not just in the Middle East, but also in Africa, Asia, Latin America, Eastern Europe and within our own shores.

I guess my thought that the attacks were carried by evil thugs in furtherance of a murderous ideology would be viewed as insufficiently nuanced by Obama.

It seems, at least from this excerpt, that from the start Obama viewed 9/11 as a call to engage in global social work. I have to admit, 8 days after September 11th those weren't exactly my concerns and not really the priorities I'd want in any President faced with that situation.

Also from this article...As a state Senator, Obama threatened to kick the ass of a fellow Senator.

If the media is starting to get curious about the pre-2004 Obama, this could get very interesting.

There's no truth to the rumor Hillary was heard to shout "I told you!" when she saw the story.

Posted by: DrewM. at 05:45 PM



Comments

1 One has to wonder...is Hillary! using pawns in the media toplot a return?

Posted by: Uh, Clem at July 13, 2008 05:53 PM (CNAh+)

2 Most often, though, it grows out of a climate of poverty and ignorance, helplessness and despair.

Bullshit. The Glasgow/London plotters were doctors. The two chiefs of Al Qaeda are wealthy, educated "men". It grows out of a hatred for America and the West.

Posted by: Benson at July 13, 2008 06:13 PM (qzcNU)

3 > ... it grows out of a climate of poverty and ignorance, helplessness and despair.

Dude. M. Atta had a college degree in Architecture, his two sisters became a zoology professor and the other a medical doctor. Poverty? Nope. Ignorance? Nope? Helplessness & Despair? Well, I can't get inside his head but...



Posted by: Arthur at July 13, 2008 06:14 PM (uSbc8)

4 Benson! You're a genius! (and you type faster than me.)

Posted by: Arthur at July 13, 2008 06:15 PM (uSbc8)

5 In one sense, he isn't precisely wrong. Yes, the attack was due to a lack of empathy. However, the cause of this lack was not poverty, or despair, or any of the Left's endless excuses -- it was instead a fanatic belief that one should feel no empathy for heretics. This fanatic level of intolerent belief is being taught by many radical imams and VERY few preachers and rabbis (the 'God Hates Fags'peopleand some extreme Zionists -- but there's not many of them and they tend to be despised by more rational folk). The difference being, most Christians and Jews remember the costs of fanaticism and reckon those costs are too high to accept that kind of behavior. But try to point it out about the radical Muslims, and you're a raaaaaaaacist.

Posted by: The Atom Bomb of Loving Kindness at July 13, 2008 06:16 PM (zyrxg)

6 It is not an absence of empathy on the part of the islamic terrorists-- it is the presence of empathy that makes terrorism attractive.
They do know that their actions will cause heartache and suffering, pain, and desperation. That. Is. The. F****. Idea.

If it were not to cause pain why else would someone intelligent enough to operate a large passenger jet crash it into a large building with the intent of destroying the people on the plane and the people in and around the building? That is the audacity of their hope. They hope our fear will suit their purpose.

Posted by: Potosi Joel at July 13, 2008 06:18 PM (TPRbZ)

7 Obama Polling Station # 1,469
Moderator:
"Ok...For the next question, I'm gonnaneed a show of hands from everyone in the audience over the age of 80..."
"...How many of you would NOT have voted for FDR had his principal concern in 1942 been the underlying, deep seeded, pshychologicalreason ToJo Companyblew the fuck out of Pearl?"
"Also, would he have got your voteif FDR spent scandalous amounts of tax payer money on further study intowhy they hate us?"
"Or would you have given a damn ifFDR hadrelied exclusivelyon the heavy navalcannons ofHOPE and B-17s dropping bombs full ofCHANGE to preventthe Japenese rampage across the Pacific?"
.........
"I see no show of hands. Does that mean no one disagrees?"
"Great. I'd like to thank the students here at Booker T Washington Highschool for having us at this mandatory assembly."
Obama 08!

Posted by: Lamontyoubigdummy at July 13, 2008 06:19 PM (QWmsF)

8 THIS is what you get with a "community organizer".

Posted by: catmman at July 13, 2008 06:24 PM (UNZaA)

9 Hey, at least he didn't find 9-11 to be a learning moment to further combat global warming. right?

Posted by: joeindc44 at July 13, 2008 06:43 PM (QxSug)

10 Of course, McCain will jump on this.

In December.

Posted by: eman at July 13, 2008 07:00 PM (WWkFI)

11 Obama:
makes. me. want. to.
vomit.

Posted by: joe at July 13, 2008 07:01 PM (5zUu/)

12 I don't have any problem with people discussing the socio-political implications of such things. I do think, though, that if someone wants to kill you that it is prudent to kill them first. That way you can discuss the problem at your leisure.

Posted by: tasteslikechicken at July 13, 2008 07:11 PM (dv3IW)

13 Dems in general consider 9/11 to have been a criminal act, not an act of war.

Everything they have done since that day is consistent with that belief.

They never would have invaded Afghanistan, instead they would have sent envoys there to beg for forgiveness.

Posted by: eman at July 13, 2008 07:11 PM (WWkFI)

14 Does this mean that Root Causes trade; are, or are not, a distraction? I'm having a hard time keeping up with which distractions I need to ignore...

Posted by: Fred (no the other one) at July 13, 2008 07:28 PM (rPYT+)

15 Mccain and bush would agree with the sensible parts of this... that we have to be careful not to be bad guys, that we should try to qwin hearts and minds, that the real evil is how Bin Laden just didn't care about all the death and suffering he caused.

That Obama thinks this is helpful wisdom says a lot about how he sees the military and flyover country. We didn't need those tips.

The points about poverty are true to some extent. Sure, Bin Laden was rich, but his lackeys usually are very poor with no education or opportunities. We have to fight regimes that permit such squalor, because hopeless people are naive people.

but the real problem is that the world is allowed to hate the USA, jews, whites, Christians, etc. That tolerance of hatred has nasty consequences.

Posted by: ghy at July 13, 2008 07:29 PM (8jYMc)

16 This is all good; it means that al-Qaeda leaders aren't the sort of people Obama would want to nominate for the Supreme Court. Up to now I'd have said there was room for doubt on that score.

Posted by: Cerebral Paul Z. at July 13, 2008 07:32 PM (lAS+u)

17 I guess we should just kill the poor.

Posted by: Anoni Moose at July 13, 2008 07:33 PM (Yhg6b)

18 raising the hopes and prospects of embittered children across the
globe

What a fucking dipshit.


Posted by: Warden at July 13, 2008 07:37 PM (KXbGD)

19 funny, just today I was googling around looking for any quotes by Obama just after 9/11. I could find NOTHING. So I tried searching google archives, and still no luck. I'm glad to have the info.

Posted by: jmb at July 13, 2008 07:52 PM (zyrL5)

20 But Oblamo was not suggesting that the US the West in general understand the islamist fanatical movement in a clinical sense. He and his fellow travelers view all situations through the lens of self-debasement, that guilt soaked hatred of everything our civilization is. He was offering yet again that delusional bargain of redemption that can only be had if we destroy everything that made us successful.

It's another page in the Left's neverending willful ignorance. The islamist terrorists were never motivated to get the West to help the world's poor, blighted, and desparate. The Left refuses to acknowledge their murderous philosophy that has been so often plainly stated it is almost become a mad farce, like a Python sketch become real.

Leftist: We understand your anger toward us in the US. We really do.
IslamoNazi: No, you don't. If you understood it you would bow to Allah and slay your fellow countrymen.
L: Now, now you don't really belive that.
IN: Um, yes, we do.
L: No, no, that's just the poverty talking.
IN: Poverty? Poverty? I was educated at two universities. I have a Master's Degree in Engineering. I can name my price at any engineering firm from Dubai to Jakarta. Poverty. No, my friend. It's just this simple; you love life, and we love death.
L: And by love death, you mean you look forward to the death of Bush, yes? See, we're on the same page! Death to Capitalism while were at it!
IN: Kuffir, do you see my shoes? Look very closely. No, bend lower.

Posted by: adamthemad at July 13, 2008 07:52 PM (VCQYg)

21 Some people are too stupid to be allowed in public. Obama is one of these.

McCain is too damn nice to do anything with this. Which is why Obama, rather than being shoved in to a closet and the door nailed shut, will be President.

Posted by: SGT Dan at July 13, 2008 08:23 PM (EsBr1)

22 Bush handled it the right way. Kill enough of the m'fers and the others will hesitate to join al qaeda. It becomes a bad career choice. Enough of this hand wringing mental masturbation about root causes.

Posted by: joe at July 13, 2008 08:33 PM (5zUu/)

23 Dems in general consider 9/11 to have been a criminal act, not an act of war.

...

They never would have invaded Afghanistan, instead they would have sent envoys there to beg for forgiveness.
Well, no. To be fair, the Dems would have acted quickly and decisively. They would have flown into Kabul and started handing out subpoenas.

Posted by: OregonMuse at July 13, 2008 08:40 PM (4q4S5)

24 The cover of this issue of The New Yorker is causing quite a stir. I just got back from viewing Huff Po and the comments range from praise to outrage and charges of Rovian plots.




Posted by: eman at July 13, 2008 08:48 PM (WWkFI)

25 Most often, though, it grows out of a climate of poverty and ignorance, helplessness and despair. Islam.

Fixed.

(and I'm sorry if this is an insult to any sane, moderate Muslims reading this, but dudes, your religion is broken and you need to fix it asap)


Posted by: OregonMuse at July 13, 2008 08:51 PM (4q4S5)

26 4
The cover of this issue of The New Yorker is causing quite a stir. I
just got back from viewing Huff Po and the comments range from praise
to outrage and charges of Rovian plots.
I just went to their cartoon slide how and I mentally erased each caption and substituted it with 'Christ, what an asshole.' I was surprised how well this worked.

Posted by: OregonMuse at July 13, 2008 08:58 PM (4q4S5)

27 The islamic terrorists may not have shown empathy towards us, but I am all for showing empathy to them. I just want our empathy to be delivered in the form of explosive overpressure and bits of lead traveling at 980 meters per second.

Posted by: Tushar at July 13, 2008 09:27 PM (PTWes)

28 they wre just being good muslims. they were following the koran according to the prophet. the bad muslims are the ones that don't follow the letter of the koran and in our eyes they arethe good muslims but they are really the bad muslims according to the koran. it's so simple.

Posted by: pby at July 13, 2008 09:47 PM (MMczV)

29 Revenge of the Old Site strikes again.

Ace, time to move. Seriously.

Posted by: adamthemad at July 13, 2008 10:04 PM (VCQYg)

30 9/11 attack was caused by "Fundamental Absence Of Empathy" and crazy ass jihadis, but mostly crazy ass jihadis.

Posted by: Ostral-B Heretic at July 13, 2008 10:10 PM (9u8Jf)

31 Well, he is right about the jihadis having a lack of empathy. Psychopaths cannot feel empathy. But that is just a sideshow issue. Dealing with the jihad-bots is doing things symptomatically. What you do is go for the psychopath leaders and financiers, and we know who they are. You hurt THEM, personally. Then they will back off. An excellent example is when Reagan bombed G'Daffy's tent and killed his wife and child. G'Daffy backed off for a while.

We have been using up troops and supplies at a rate that we cannot sustain, when we should be the meanest S.O.B. on the block and send the message, concise and quick. We need to be feared, respected, and loved, in that order, by our enemies.

Remember who finances the Madarasas, and who spreads Islamic terrorism and misery all over the world, from Indonesia, to southern Thailand, the Philippines, Chechnya, to the Sudan. There are yer targets, boys and girls.

Posted by: Alaska Paul at July 13, 2008 10:22 PM (rMkgW)

32 Wake me up when either party is ready to ditch the root causes bullshit and go back to killing them whereverwe find them, as opposed to talking tough and doing kabuki dances for domestic and international theatre.

Posted by: MlR at July 13, 2008 10:30 PM (PLmsY)

33 Lord, could Obama be more of a pussy?

Posted by: UGAdawg at July 13, 2008 10:45 PM (vfDNl)

34 I haven't read the whole article yet either, but the excerpts I've read are pretty interesting. It seems to be a chronicle of all the calculations Obama made after moving to Chicago, and the Greyhound-load of folks who've gotten an intimate look at the undercarriage of said bus since the Messiah first graced that fair city.

Duh, I know all politicians make these moves, but Obama's Chicago history and his bait-and-switch on the Dems seem particularly cold, especially for a guy who was supposed to be a Hopeful Changey new kind of politician, a lightworker--if you would only just BELIEVE!!!

Posted by: stace at July 13, 2008 10:54 PM (JO0c/)

35 "24
The cover of this issue of The New Yorker is causing quite a stir. I
just got back from viewing Huff Po and the comments range from praise
to outrage and charges of Rovian plots."

I'm getting dizzy attempting to analyze the stupidity and/or elitism and/or cluelessness and/or I don't know what went into the decision to draw and publish this cover. Anyone who thinks (or rather, thought) that this cover would humorously deflate the memes of Obama not being good on security (homeland, national, etc) was and is a colossal imbecile (and probably an arrogant one). The cover is a gift to all who dread Obama winning, and corroborates what sane people should not think/rely upon: that the Dems, and the Left is/are their own worst enemy.

Posted by: ParisParamus at July 13, 2008 11:07 PM (ETj1R)

36 Oh I get it, the perpetrators of 9/11 were just bitter and they were clinging to their guns and religion.
And only Lefty can make them see the error of their ways.

Posted by: DesertSage at July 13, 2008 11:24 PM (1Igdk)

37 I guess we should just kill the poor.>>>

OMG, that is the quote of the year!

Posted by: joeindc44 at July 13, 2008 11:54 PM (EojLz)

38 Don't blame me. I blame the Jooos.

Posted by: The Cartoonist formerly known as Allah at July 14, 2008 01:26 AM (zAvxs)

39 Any chance someone will start producing YouTube videos of Obama speeches with corrections for (truth | facts | adult understanding of the matter | etc.) interspersed between BHO's pontifications?
Right after BHO's line :
"Most often, though, it grows out of a climate of poverty and ignorance, helplessness and despair."
a factual correction, listing the truths from posts 2 3 (the economic truth about OBL, alZ, Atta his sisters, living confitionsfor the clerics in KSA, etc.) would be quite revealing. Written fiskings are painful, and video ones even more so.
I suspect that BHO would melt, many posters on KOS, Huff Po, DU, would suffer group aneurysms, and there would be a major AP/NYT investigation.

Posted by: Arbalest at July 14, 2008 01:44 AM (XUQkf)

40 Why couldn't Gary Coleman have run for President?


Why? Why? Why?

At least then, there's a chance he would have been funny on purpose!

Posted by: Merovign at July 14, 2008 03:20 AM (UXoQt)

41 On a related note, this just in from an unnamed news source, "5 men plead guilty in trans-Atlantic airline plot."

From reading the article, I'm not sure if the 5 men were Islamic fanatics or not. If only there were some clue. Maybe one of you morons could research them and let me know. To help get you started, their names are Abdulla Ahmed Ali, Assad Sarwar, Tanvir Hussain, Ibrahim Savant and Umar Islam.

The word "terrorist" never appears in the article.

I hate to say it, but as asymmetrical warfare tactics go, you have to hand it to these bastards for using our political correctness against us. I don't know if they planned that or just swerved into it, but whatever the case, it has worked pretty well.

Posted by: Andy at July 14, 2008 07:39 AM (23Gys)

42 "Most often, though, it grows out of a climate of poverty and ignorance, helplessness and despair."
But I understood that the majority of those carrying out 9/11 were middle to upper middle class kids, most of whom were in or just graduated from college- what gives, Urkel X?
And Andy-
According to the article yahoo is pimping about the trans-atlantic airline plot, the suspects are claiming they were doing it as a publicity stunt for a movie they were working on...no, seriously- that's what the article said.

Posted by: o'dumma as cahtuh at July 14, 2008 08:04 AM (I/JNA)

43 Hey, O'Bambi. It's called HATE. They hate us because we are not like them... a cult built around a murderous pediphilia loving psychopath. Plus they hate us because of the freedoms we have.
But all we have to do to end the hate is just adopt their ways and ideas. Then everything will be just fine... for them.

Posted by: Lurkin_no_mo at July 14, 2008 08:31 AM (6zvrq)

44 "We must also engage, however, in the more difficult task of understanding the sources of such madness."--BHO
Fall curriculum will not only include elementary Spanish, but Koran now.

Posted by: maverick muse at July 14, 2008 08:42 AM (F1b/5)

45 I'm not interested in the warp and weft of these peoples' motivations. I used to be; I thoughtthat thinkingabout their worldview would shed helpful light on why they do the things they do.
No longer. The Islamic faith holds no fascination for me, and I couldn't care less than I do why they're angry. I just want our side to kill as many of them as necessary to put an end to this nonsense. If that means eradicating their twisted desert religion, I don't care. Islam shows me no redeeming characteristics, and historyproves that it's been nothing but an impediment to civilization. If taking the religion out will stop these savages from killingpeople who don't believe in their filthy, subjugating practice,I say take it out root, stalk, and bulb.

Posted by: railwriter at July 14, 2008 08:44 AM (nwEiU)

46 Posted by: railwriter at July 14, 2008 08:44 AM (nwEiU)
Having welcomed them into our living quarters throughout Western Civilization, what to do with the resent and vengeful Islamics who have legal residency and citizenship here and elsewhere after the blood letting you'd have?
Simply put, there is no final Islamic solution beyond prophesy (that you propose). Thank God that we have Gen. Petraeus, his loyal staff and others to figure out offense/defense for America. Support them. Trust in their expertise. But domestically, America must begin using the Sedition Act and prosecute treason as it has not done. THAT requires government officials to perform their sworn Constitutional duties, and THAT requires personal responsibility. THAT is exactly what Obamarx lacks. Obamarx's only consistent feature is irresponsibility.

Posted by: maverick muse at July 14, 2008 09:24 AM (F1b/5)

47 The Daily Obama has a 2000+ response whinefest about the cover. This after years of applauding any moron who drew Bush as a monkey.

Posted by: Dirk at July 14, 2008 09:49 AM (AJx67)

48 Can Obama get any creepier?

Yes, he can!

http://proteinwisdom.com/?p=12831

Posted by: rinseandspit at July 14, 2008 09:55 AM (ao5cQ)

49 dohrn and ayers weren't driven by poverty to do what they did and think how they did-why should the murderous fanaticism of the jihadist be any different?

Posted by: ejo at July 14, 2008 10:53 AM (Urhve)

50 The essence of this tragedy, it seems to me, derives from a fundamental
absence of empathy on the part of the attackers: an inability to
imagine, or connect with, the humanity and suffering of others.

I'm pretty sure Obama is a sociopath.

That's the thing about sociopaths -- they can diagnose themselves pretty effectively. They know they have no empathy. They kinda like it. The intelligent ones realize that their total lack of empathy can be a source of power.

So, when Obama diagnoses Atta and company as incapable of empathy, he's really describing himself.

Of course, he then takes this sliver of insight and then immediately uses it to propagandize with the Left's favorite trope -- how poverty is the root cause, blah blah blah.

I'm really beginning to think that, when it comes to Obama, there's no there there. The lack of a father. The unstable residence all through childhood. The ability to shift positions so easily. The preference for speaking with a script, delivering lines like an actor. And why shouldn't he? He's been an actor all his life.

Posted by: Phinn at July 14, 2008 11:38 AM (NLtoU)

51 I'm really beginning to think that, when it comes to Obama, there's no there there. The lack of a father. The unstable residence all through childhood. The ability to shift positions so easily. The preference for speaking with a script, delivering lines like an actor. And why shouldn't he? He's been an actor all his life.
Spot-on. In fact, I think it's these characteristics that make him so appealling (read: unthreatening)to voters. Look at the pop culture heroes of today--largely insubstantial, low-intellect professional charmers who leverage looks and a smile, and have little else to offer--but that's okay, because the fan/voter only wants soft candy. The tabloidcoversin supermarket lines are chockablockwith people just like Brock: thorough mediocrities who are phenomenally popular. Jennifer Aniston? Brad Pitt? Angelina Jolie? What gives? They'rewalking tautologies: they'refamous only because they're famous.
(I know that's not exactly what you were getting at, Phinn; you're right, though; his is a life of fancy footwork to compensate for the personal past you describe...)
McCain has negatives to overcome, because he's done things, and in a world of binary opposition, he's going to accrue some negatives. Brock, who hasn't done a damn thing, has no baggage, so the toothy smile is enough.
Nothing profound here, I know, but it sure is puzzling.

Posted by: railwriter at July 14, 2008 12:08 PM (nwEiU)

52 I propose two policy changes to AoS:
1. No posts for 12 hours automatically triggers OpenBlog
2. I should be added to the roster of OpenBloggers.
SWOT analysis:
Cost: Nothing, apart from Ace having to declare this policy.
Benefits: No readers will ever go through Blog Withdrawl Syndrome ever again.
Risk: Tushar will post weird dance video clips of Bollywood films
Opportunity: Tushar will postphotos of Bollywood babes.

Posted by: Tushar at July 14, 2008 12:31 PM (IlgNp)

53 Perhaps Bill Ayers can give some lessons in empathy.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at July 14, 2008 12:38 PM (B+qrE)

54 I addressed the incident of Obama with State Senator Ricky Hendon here in May. Theinteresting thing isn't that Obama threatened to kick his ass, the interesting thing is that Obama had to be physically restrained.
Maybe that is why Obama has never made a big deal out of McCain's temper.

Posted by: Rightwingsparkle at July 14, 2008 12:57 PM (+7+JN)

55 Tushar for president.

Hostile takeover.

Posted by: Stinky Esposito at July 14, 2008 12:57 PM (mcn/h)

56 Allah's backfrom vacation and blogging away today... and Ace is sleeping in. {insert repurposed forbidden love joke here}

Posted by: Cuffy Meigs at July 14, 2008 01:01 PM (JefgB)

57 Palmer represented Hyde ParkObamas neighborhood, a racially integrated, liberal sanctuary

"Sanctuary"? Sanctuary from what, exactly?

Posted by: Loren Heal at July 14, 2008 02:34 PM (s9Ak0)

58 Risk: Tushar will post weird dance video clips of Bollywood films

"Weird." You mean, as compared to the other ghey crap that gets posted here? How bad can these Bollywood videos be?

Posted by: OregonMuse at July 14, 2008 02:40 PM (FO+YO)

59 Palmer represented Hyde ParkObamas neighborhood, a racially integrated, liberal sanctuary

"Sanctuary"? Sanctuary from what, exactly?

The real world.

Posted by: OregonMuse at July 14, 2008 02:48 PM (FO+YO)

60 On the bright side, at least we potentially get a new AoS headline next time the military wipes out some Taliban sub-humans: Eight Taliban killed by Hellfire missle and lack of empathy, but mostly by Hellfire missle.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at July 14, 2008 04:51 PM (plsiE)

61 No Osama, No Obama, and No Chelsea's mama. Wake up white america, stop feeling the "white guilt". Don't vote this communist muslim into the highest office of our beloved nation. The more you read about Obama the more you will realize that he is a fraud and his wife an anti-white militant. Yeah, I sat in my church for 20 years and never heard my pastor say one bad thing about whitey. What am I a F**king idiot!!!

Posted by: Tony "The Tiger" at July 14, 2008 10:21 PM (MD68C)

62 1 Vote for Tushar

As many votes as I can get away with for the Bollywood Babes.

Zero votes for Obama (to help retain some semblance of the "topic").

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