WaPo: Bush Didn't Lie

"In making the case for war, the administration repeatedly presented intelligence as fact when it was unsubstantiated, contradicted or even nonexistent," he said.
There's no question that the administration, and particularly Vice President Cheney, spoke with too much certainty at times and failed to anticipate or prepare the American people for the enormous undertaking in Iraq.
But dive into Rockefeller's report, in search of where exactly President Bush lied about what his intelligence agencies were telling him about the threat posed by Saddam Hussein, and you may be surprised by what you find.
On Iraq's nuclear weapons program? The president's statements "were generally substantiated by intelligence community estimates."
On biological weapons, production capability and those infamous mobile laboratories? The president's statements "were substantiated by intelligence information."
On chemical weapons, then? "Substantiated by intelligence information."
On weapons of mass destruction overall (a separate section of the intelligence committee report)? "Generally substantiated by intelligence information." Delivery vehicles such as ballistic missiles? "Generally substantiated by available intelligence." Unmanned aerial vehicles that could be used to deliver WMDs? "Generally substantiated by intelligence information."
As you read through the report, you begin to think maybe you've mistakenly picked up the minority dissent. But, no, this is the Rockefeller indictment. So, you think, the smoking gun must appear in the section on Bush's claims about Saddam Hussein's alleged ties to terrorism.
But statements regarding Iraq's support for terrorist groups other than al-Qaeda "were substantiated by intelligence information." Statements that Iraq provided safe haven for Abu Musab al-Zarqawi and other terrorists with ties to al-Qaeda "were substantiated by the intelligence assessments," and statements regarding Iraq's contacts with al-Qaeda "were substantiated by intelligence information." The report is left to complain about "implications" and statements that "left the impression" that those contacts led to substantive Iraqi cooperation.
In the report's final section, the committee takes issue with Bush's statements about Saddam Hussein's intentions and what the future might have held. But was that really a question of misrepresenting intelligence, or was it a question of judgment that politicians are expected to make?
After all, it was not Bush, but Rockefeller, who said in October 2002: "There has been some debate over how 'imminent' a threat Iraq poses. I do believe Iraq poses an imminent threat. I also believe after September 11, that question is increasingly outdated. . . . To insist on further evidence could put some of our fellow Americans at risk. Can we afford to take that chance? I do not think we can."

The WaPo calls this a tragic and catastrophic failure of intelligence by the CIA. It should also say forthrightly that this entire line is a tragic and catastrophic failure of intelligence by the Democratic Party, who have had no coherent terrorism policy since 9/11 except to parrot MoveOn.org's stupidest sloganeering.

And that evidence on Saddam's ties to terrorism? Still valid. It's not wrong, it's just terribly inconvenient for the liberal do-nothing line on terrorism, so they pretend it's wrong.

Posted by: Ace at 12:44 PM

Comments

1 You mean the Dems lied to damage our national security during a time of war?

The hell you say!

Posted by: Drumwaster at June 09, 2008 12:47 PM (XsUr0)

2 Gworge Boosh is a poopy head!

Posted by: John Ryan at June 09, 2008 12:52 PM (TcoRJ)

3 Conservative defenders of Bush have been making these points since roughly 2005-6. While the White House dithered and allowed the Left to dominate the field of public opinion. Its real nice that Bush and Co. can claim some vindication (will they? does anyone really expect Bush or Rice or even Cheney to mention this report? I don't.) but public opinion has already hardened. It will take the perspective of 20-30 years and objective historians to provide real judgments about this war. And part of the blame for that lies with Bush's PR and Media shop which have been abhorent.

Posted by: Fred at June 09, 2008 12:57 PM (ivbbD)

4 Nothing to see here.......move along

Posted by: The Left at June 09, 2008 12:57 PM (6Oq7N)

5 Was that a straight story about the run up to the war I just read there or did someone slip me some mescaline?

Posted by: runninrebel at June 09, 2008 12:57 PM (0n9wc)

6

and so why did the Director of the Central Intelligence Agency receive our nation's highest civilian award The Presidential Medal of Freedom ?

Because Bill Clinton appointed him. New tone in Washington and all that crap.

Posted by: Tinian at June 09, 2008 12:58 PM (1Mq7K)

7 and so why did the Director of the Central Intelligence Agency receive our nation's highest civilian award The Presidential Medal of Freedom ?

Because the Dems would have thrown tantrums if the Clinton-era appointee Tenet had been publicly cashiered as he deserved. One of Bush's great failings is that he's too nice to his political opponents.

Of course, they threw tantrums when Tenet got the MoF, which proves that when dealing with Dems, damned if you do, damned if you don't.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at June 09, 2008 01:02 PM (Ds4I5)

8 Mr. Ryan, please put us down. You are simply not qualified to be moving us in this fashion.

Honestly, we have been repeatedly moved by the stupidest people imaginable in the last 7 years and quite frankly, you embarrass us with your pathetic and idiotic attempts at intelligent conversation.

Posted by: Goalposts at June 09, 2008 01:04 PM (wWwJR)

9 and so why did the Director of the Central Intelligence Agency receive our nation's highest civilian award The Presidential Medal of Freedom ?

Well, John Ryan, I agree with you...why did that fucking failure get anything but a kick in the ass out the door?

Posted by: Stinky Esposito at June 09, 2008 01:04 PM (MH7Ou)

10 Posted by: John Ryan at June 09, 2008 12:52 PM (TcoRJ)

This guy's idiocy calls for a troll banning fest.

Posted by: Slublog at June 09, 2008 01:07 PM (R8+nJ)

And would you believe I still have the balls to go on TV and blame Bush for 9-11?

I was in charge of terrorism policy for 12 years, through 3 administrations, but 9-11 had nothing to do with my incompetence. I swear

Posted by: Richard Clarke at June 09, 2008 01:07 PM (KTgUG)

12 Gee willikers! The CIA screwed up again? Anyone remember the Bay of Pigs?

Posted by: GarandFan at June 09, 2008 01:09 PM (eJ32B)

We need our own slogan to counter the "Bush Lied--People Died" meme. How about "Bush Told the Truth--Threw Saddam off the Roof"?

No?

Posted by: nikkolai at June 09, 2008 01:09 PM (k1UIa)

Looks like most of the commenters at the WAPO site weren't fooled by Fred Hiatt's article - they want him fired for supporting Bush.

Delicious - first the Dems get stung by their own special brand of identity politics, and nominate a weak candidate instead of a fairly strong one, and now the WAPO finds out that after promoting Dem lies in order to delegitimize the President for 7 years, most of their idiot readers believe those lies, and are calling them the liars!

Like I have said before, 9-11 drove the media insane because it didn't fit their narrative, and they have managed to take nearly half of the country into the loony pit with them.

Posted by: sherlock at June 09, 2008 01:10 PM (ojW85)

15
Eeeeeeee! My head's exploding!!!

Posted by: Typical F'in Moonbat at June 09, 2008 01:11 PM (jt9I3)

16 Bush's "be nice to the opposition" thing worked for him in Texas. His biggest failure in office was taking too long to learn that shit don't fly in DC.

Also, like a lot of these things, I seem to recall the WH addressing it and the press not covering it, only covering the false accusations. The WH figured (correctly) that if they pushed the issue they'd just get more resistance, but they should have done it anyway.

Remember when the press corps was complaining how little access they had? They knew it was because of crap like this, but they lied about that, too.

Half our political spectrum (or more) are pathological liars, and the left will either tear itself apart or tear all of us apart because of their irresponsible crap.

Posted by: Merovign at June 09, 2008 01:11 PM (yi5TD)

17 "In making the case for war, the administration repeatedly presented intelligence as fact when it was unsubstantiated, contradicted or even nonexistent," he said.

Sounds like the case for global warming.

(oops)

Posted by: Bart at June 09, 2008 01:12 PM (ylYde)

18 I think GWB should give one short sheech and be done with this. Something like; "Saddam was a syphlytic goat fucker and he pissed me off so I smashed him like a flea just because I wanted to. Then I used his pathetic camel circus country for rented battle space to snuff every chickenshit jihadi that had guts enough to show up. Any questions?"

Posted by: alycan at June 09, 2008 01:19 PM (Il2Ep)

19 My local moonbat npr station was holding its weekly pledge drive and mentioned that Bugliosi was complaining that he has been blackballed by the msm b/c of his book about Bush. All I can add is , Good!

Posted by: GRC at June 09, 2008 01:31 PM (1iano)

It should also say forthrightly that this entire line is a tragic and catastrophic failure of intelligence by the Democratic Party,

There's something about seeing the words "intelligence" and "Democratic Party" used in the same sentence that makes my giggle like ace on a hobo hunt.

Posted by: OregonMuse at June 09, 2008 01:31 PM (FO+YO)

21 So he didn't lie? I've really got to stop getting my information from bumper stickers. I just hate people who lie on bumper stickers! Next they'll tell me that Global Warming^{(TM of Al Gore)} is a lie too. Please don't ruin my Earth Day, like you did Easter!

Posted by: The Great Yellow hOpe at June 09, 2008 01:32 PM (82iEI)

22 >>"Saddam was a syphlytic goat fucker and he pissed me off so I smashed him like a flea just because I wanted to. Then I used his pathetic camel circus country for rented battle space to snuff every chickenshit jihadi that had guts enough to show up. Any questions?"

"Just one, Mr. President: What evidence do you have for Saddam fscking goats? I didn't see it on the NIE, so are you lying now or were you lying then?"

Posted by: Evil Midnight Bomber What Bombs at Midnight at June 09, 2008 01:34 PM (gIga4)

This report doesn't matter. The Left would like to depose Bush, and just as soon not wait for the smoking gun.

Posted by: Cincinnatus at June 09, 2008 01:40 PM (Cj3e7)

Another example of CHAOS from the Moron DNC/Media. They must be realizing that the koolaid drinkers are a small and shrinking minority. Now the WashPost is trying to make a rare statement of truth but it's too late you MF Dumbocrats are hearing some chickens...coming home to roost, baby!

Posted by: vaquero at June 09, 2008 01:40 PM (SO5pX)

25 "Just one, Mr. President: What evidence do you have for Saddam fscking goats? I didn't see it on the NIE, so are you lying now or were you lying then?"

{Shotgun blast from offstage}

"Nice shooting, Dick! Any other stupid f*cking questions?"

Posted by: Drumwaster at June 09, 2008 01:42 PM (XsUr0)

26 alycan for President. Seconds?

Posted by: Aubrey at June 09, 2008 01:48 PM (B4e7Q)

27 NIE? I wiped my ass on it and taped it to a JDAM.

Posted by: alycan at June 09, 2008 01:48 PM (Il2Ep)

I'd love to see the Post building get burned by rioting moonbats. Not as much as I'd like to see 200 high-profile Democrats hanging from lampposts, but we all have a dream.

Posted by: SGT Dan at June 09, 2008 01:51 PM (YzCiM)

29 It should also say forthrightly that this entire line is a tragic and catastrophic failure of intelligence by the Democratic Party, who have had no coherent terrorism policy since 9/11 except to parrot MoveOn.org's stupidest sloganeering.

Did I miss something, the 1st Trade center bombing, the Cole, the Embassies...
What was the coherent policy before 9/11?
Bomb some not too random place once in awhile?

Posted by: Rocks at June 09, 2008 02:16 PM (Q1lie)

30 The comments section is pretty funny. These people cannot take any challenge to their worldview. They've got the report right in front of them, the report - written by Dems - says "substantiated by intelligence" over and over again, and all they can do is scream, "no, he' lied! He lied! HE LIED!"

Pathetic.

Posted by: Thea-Logical at June 09, 2008 02:30 PM (N0hv7)

31 Did I miss something, the 1st Trade center bombing, the Cole, the Embassies...
What was the coherent policy before 9/11?
Bomb some not too random place once in awhile?

The Dems actually DO have a coherent terrorism policy; but pinning a "Kick Me" sign to the US isn't one I'm comfortable with.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at June 09, 2008 02:45 PM (Ds4I5)

32 Post 9-11, we were to err on the side of caution. It was the right thing to do. The left is good at 20-20 hindsight.

Posted by: joe at June 09, 2008 03:11 PM (Ukf53)

33
I think GWB should give one short sheech and be done with this.

He probably won't give a speech on this. I don't think he cares anymore. I don't think he cares a fig about his legacy. I honestly think Bush is burned out and exhausted. I think he's just marking time until he can get out of D.C. and get back to Texas. And when he does, I think he'll disappear from public life.

Posted by: Steve (aka Ed Snate) at June 09, 2008 03:35 PM (v68z4)

34 This was a comment on the WaPo site:
bebeyond49 wrote:You are splitting hairs from a Whig, you are defending lyiing for the kingdom, which is the most subjective, authoritative clap trap which has ever been stacked up against humanity, and is similar in respect to the U.S. knowing
Pearl Harbor was coming and, most likely 9/11 also, and the perpetraitors of. but we are never going to get the truth until enough people wake up to the economic genocide we are undergoing as a nation and a world. Then Bush bribed or threatened Pelosi right after mid terms so as not to have impeachment, also seen but not heard, also those silent lies we are all so used to. This is not clever politic, this is subversion of America by the bastions of the new PLUTOCRACY, the new world order, the Tri- Lateral Commission, and all those genocidal globalists wanting to reduce the worlds population by 1/3! Well there will be a bit of stiff opposition, and that's no lie...

Since when did people start taking the black helicopter crowd seriously? These are people who start with an end result in mind and then "connect the dots" to show they are right. This guy is a nut-job, but unfortunately this is the prevailing thought amongst the left in our country. They will do anything, say anything and choose to believe anything. And yet, they trust government to run their lives...I just don't get it. I'm new to this whole trying-to-understand-the-left thing, I really need some help in keeping up.

Posted by: The Great Yellow hOpe at June 09, 2008 03:39 PM (82iEI)

35 "Bush Lied" isn't even meant to be a statement of fact. It's more like "there's no place like home, there's no place like home, there's no place like home!"

Except that the left is clicking their heels and trying to magically transport themselves INTO their fantasy realm, not out of it.

And regarding the comments on the linked article - it is profoundly sad that residents of mental institution don't have enough things to do to fill their time.

Posted by: Merovign at June 09, 2008 03:40 PM (yi5TD)

1000000000** left wing blog commenters and trolls cant be wrong.

Can they?

** Figure accurate as of 6/9/08

Posted by: TMF at June 09, 2008 03:43 PM (KTgUG)

37 Here's the opening the Republicans should have been planning for. They would now demand that Pelosi resign and begin impeachment proceedings against her since she had stated Bush had lied about the war, which was the real lie. When the dems repond, the debate would evolve into what a disaster her reign as speaker has been. Hey Nancy, what was the price of a gallon of gas before you became speaker?

But the Republicans don't have any balls, so a perfectly good opportunity gets wasted.

Posted by: liontooth at June 09, 2008 03:57 PM (n3pxb)

Honestly, the general failure of the Bush Administration has been its inability to control the narrative on anything, not just Iraq. We as a nation are worse off because of it. So when we look at the high disapproval ratings for Bush, the moonbats misinterpret those too, thinking we all agree with them, when in fact where Bush has failed many of us it is in allowing said moonbats to not be laughed off the national stage.

Posted by: Dr. Chester at June 09, 2008 04:05 PM (TOk1P)

39 I have been posting this link on fark even though fark refused to post the link all by itself. When I post it it sucks the air out of the room and the thread goes dead. Poor libs...

Posted by: dri at June 09, 2008 04:13 PM (qu/jV)

40 I'm new to this whole trying-to-understand-the-left thing, I really need some help in keeping up.

Try this.

Imagine if you received a catastrophic head injury as a child, freezing your emotional/intellectual growth at about 5 yrs old, then imagine that you receive a "disabled person affirmative action" scholarship to Harvard or Cornell, where your dormmates introduce you to large amounts of paranoia-inducing sinsemilla.

That should get you to about 70-80% understanding of the left.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at June 09, 2008 04:32 PM (Ds4I5)

41 One of the firm's painters had to take a lot of time off from an on-the-job injury, and came back with politics much further to the left than he had before; also, he was very vocal about it, which was also different. We all understand, however; after all, the poor guy did fall and land on his head.

Posted by: Sort-of-Mad Max at June 09, 2008 05:30 PM (kKgTD)

42 The MSM has defined the Iraq War as "unpopular".
The GOP defines the Iraq War as "SUCCESSFUL". maverick muse Our military and their republican supporters have made this the most amazingly successful war since WWII. What the MSM and their democratic supporters have done in setting about to destroy this effort and the economy is the most successful propaganda campaign since WWII. Beto Ochoa on June 8, 2008 at 6:05 PM Rockefeller be damned. Revisionists need their own asses revised right out of office. It must have been Rockefeller whom Cheney referenced in his West Virginia joke.

Posted by: maverick muse at June 09, 2008 05:38 PM (1cbR0)

Let's see.

The UN said Saddam had WMDs (gas and bio). The inspectors said they had them. The Russians, Chinese, Brits, even the French and Germans said they had them. Ground examinations post Iran-Iraq war proved they had both been used (hell, Saddam even produced propaganda films showing them being used). Dozens of journalists and NGFs visited Halabja and said, "Yep, he used gas weapons." Dozens of Dems including Pelosi, Boxer, and the usual gang of idiots agreed he had them. All of this can be proven by film and print.

The current MSM and Dem response: "Saddam never had them! Bush lied!" Once simply cannot kow how to respond to this, except by massive involuntary commitments to mental institutions of those who actually belive that.

Posted by: Manji at June 09, 2008 11:21 PM (sTpCF)

44 When will Bush start standing up for himself?

Posted by: z.k. at June 09, 2008 11:33 PM (XWJh5)

45 44, I expect Bush will stand up for himself about 2 or 3 years after his Presidential Library is set up. By then, if he cares about some of these issues, or the MSM or DNC is still interested in attacking him, there will besufficient information available (in the library documents) to support libel/slander charges against the MSM/DNC authors. As the sitting President and elected politician, Bush is not really in a position to press claims of libel or slander now. Crap from the MSM comes with the territory of occupying the White House. Once he is a private citizen, he can counter-attack. He does not have to sue in this country, he can sue in any country where the libel/slander is made. So, MSM articles or books release overseas are still a target for his litigation. Perhaps he'll be smart and choose Singapore as a venue - its a republic rather more favorable for litigating politically motivated libel/slander and known for extremely expensive settlements.

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