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Hillary: I Will Take This All the Way to the Convention, If Florida and Michigan Want Me To

Just over the AP wires, reported on Fox. It's being interpreted as Hillary playing hardball with the Rules Committee which must decide to do with the Florida and Michigan vote.

I can't imagine what the hell this matters at this point.

Posted by: Ace at 03:33 PM



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1 I hope she does take it to the convention.  I hope the Dim-ocrats have a good old fashioned smoke filled back room horse trading convention.  I hope the sooper-dooper delegates decide neither Obama or Clinton can win and nominate a highway commissioner from New Jersey.  As a result, the rest of the Dim-ocratic party can see what a sham their primary system is.  It is nothing more than American Idol for Liberals.

In the end, they will have to drive a stake through Clinton's heart (if they can hit such a small target) to put her to rest.

Posted by: Twain Lives at May 21, 2008 03:39 PM (T4dLI)

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Posted by: Andy at May 21, 2008 03:40 PM (C3mTI)

3 I can't imagine what the hell this matters at this point.

She's not getting out of Obama's way, and keeps her claws in to the convention.  It keeps the wounds open.  And if Barry tries to muscle out Michigan and Florida to knock her off her broomstick, what damage will that do to him for the general?

At this point, from our standpoint, it doesn't matter if Hillary's got a chance or not, as long as she refuses to die.

Posted by: Stinky Esposito at May 21, 2008 03:42 PM (9DBAP)

4
Damn you It Does Matters!

Just like a man not to take this shit seriously.  Sexist pig.

Posted by: electricferret at May 21, 2008 03:43 PM (rHh6C)

5 She's obviously setting up for a 2012 run.  The Messiah needs to lose this one for that to happen.  By holding out for the MI and FL results, she can claim that the election was "stolen" by the Obamites

Posted by: Purple Avenger at May 21, 2008 03:44 PM (fs+G8)

6 I can't imagine what the hell this matters at this point.

He'll have to fight two fronts. She's not bringing this to the convention if she doesn't plan on fighting tooth and nail every step of the way.

Posted by: Benson at May 21, 2008 03:44 PM (qzcNU)

7 She's gonna play the Michelle "whitey" video on the giant vid screens behind Obama as he's making his acceptance speech.

yeehaw!

Posted by: IreneFingIrene at May 21, 2008 03:48 PM (QcPNi)

8 Hillary staying in matters a great deal, come on.  It means Obama has to fight
against two people and has to stay on the Left, and will be exposed for
more and more mistakes.

It's great.

Posted by: Gary at May 21, 2008 03:49 PM (ZZOa6)

9

Three words I never, ever, thought would come out of my keyboard:

 

YOU GO GIRL!!!!

Posted by: War College Student at May 21, 2008 03:50 PM (Qq6t2)

10

If FLA & MI get put into the count, then Obama doesn't have the numbers & the uncommitted super delegates are in play.  Damage to the DEM party all the way around, especially since Obama & his crowd can't keep their sexist mouthes shut. 

Who gets hated more by their party, the DEM nominee or the REPUB?

Posted by: TomJW at May 21, 2008 03:51 PM (xRCpL)

11

She's obviously setting up for a 2012 run.  The Messiah needs to lose this one for that to happen.  By holding out for the MI and FL results, she can claim that the election was "stolen" by the Obamites

Maybe; but if she sends any sort of signal that she's not in the for the long haul she can kiss the prospect of more campaign contributions goodbye.  Thanks to a mismanaged campaign she's got some heavy debt, and it's not very Clintonian to use their own money to pay it off.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at May 21, 2008 03:52 PM (plsiE)

12 I can't imagine what the hell this matters at this point.

Really? This is a heaping helping of Awesome coated in a rich thick Fuck Yeah sauce.

She's either upping the ante to be VP (which I doubt since I think she really doesn't think Obambi can win. Why does she want a piece of that?) or is going to the floor in Denver.

There's all this talk that Obama has supers stashed away and is rolling them out slowly or will do it all at once after June 3. What if Hills has a stash who say, 'you get Florida and Michigan seated and we are with you'? Now if that's the case (and it's only my speculation) what if they said that never thinking she'd be able to do it? How much fun would that be?

But seriously, why else would she be making this much noise?

Either way, if it helps keep hope alive that I won't have to vote for McCain, I am a happy, happy man.

More popcorn, please.

Posted by: DrewM. at May 21, 2008 03:53 PM (hlYel)

13 I cant see the Hillacopter augering in until the MI and FL situation is resolved. 

BTW, Hillary has a heart?  I thought it was a raisin.

Posted by: IronMansLiver at May 21, 2008 04:12 PM (f0q2j)

14 I'm glad she's staying in. It can't be good for Obama. And it makes the feminists more bitter when she loses. That's always fun.

If Hillary can't get the nomination this year, why would she think the party will give it to her in 2012?

Posted by: mare at May 21, 2008 04:27 PM (ZJ22h)

15 Hillary is campaigning for 2012. If Obama becomes President, she never will. No one comes between a Clinton and Presidency.

Posted by: Tushar at May 21, 2008 04:28 PM (IlgNp)

16

>>If Hillary can't get the nomination this year, why would she think the party will give it to her in 2012?

Hillary would have gotten it, but for the Obama-craze. If Obama loses bigtime in Nov, the party will take a second, serious look at her.

Posted by: Tushar at May 21, 2008 04:29 PM (IlgNp)

17 I'm from Michigan, and I want her to.  Done.

Posted by: Clark at May 21, 2008 04:30 PM (rpdRJ)

18

Once again, it could not happen to a nicer, more deserving party.

Let us never forget, that these same Democrats who are so sanctimoniously crying and whining about Hillary tearing apart the party are the same morons (in the true negative sense) who could not bend over far enough for the Clintons in the 90s. There was NO scandal too slimy that the Dems did not defend the Clintons to the hilt and accuse anyone who dared to criticize them part of the "right wing smear machine."

Well, Democrats, here's your long overdue thanks. You are now getting to see that with the Clintons, loyalty only runs one way. Heh. Hope you are enjoying the ride. I sure am. I hope you party elders and nutroots alike spend long, long nights thinking about all of the embarassing moral and legal contortions you bent yourselves into while "defending the indefensible." And THIS is how Her Royal Majesty thanks you. The irony is so delicious that it can barely be described.

Remember, YOU Democrats fought Clinton's impeachment and removal from office. YOU Democrats in the Media (I know, I know, the same thing) went into full Delta 5 Code Red Defense Mode for the Clintons. Ken Starr was worse than the Antichrist. YOU Democrats created this Clintonstein Monster that refuses to die. Well, I guess your chickens have come home to roost.

The only, and I mean only, satisfaction I would take out of a McCain win will be watching the heads of the Kos Kids and HuffPos explode the day after the election if your "Messiah" loses and Clinton has caused an all-out civil war in the party. But remember, this is what you have created. Sleep well guys. We'll be stocking up on the popcorn.

Posted by: Paradigm Shift at May 21, 2008 04:42 PM (/s5j6)

19 Oh ye of little faith in satan....How many times must I tell you? She is getting this nomination come hell or high water. She laid it out in her speech last night, but here is the reader's digest version.

"I've got the popular vote (with Michigan and Florida and you damn well better count them or else)  Obama nor I will have the  2210  delegates when the voting is over so the superdelegates will have to decide." Here is how she ended it:

So, our party will have a tough choice to make. Who is ready to lead our party at the top of our ticket? Who is ready to defeat Senator McCain in the swing states and among swing voters? Who is ready to rebuild the economy and the war in Iraq and protect our national security as Commander-in-Chief? Who is ready on Day One to lead?

Oh this is going to be good.

Posted by: Rightwingsparkle at May 21, 2008 04:54 PM (sO7l8)

20

This is a heaping helping of Awesome coated in a rich thick Fuck Yeah sauce.

With a sizzling side dish of Karma-fried boo-freakin-hoo-hoos!

Posted by: sherlock at May 21, 2008 05:12 PM (xqzGc)

21

At this point, I'm confused about who's the biggest jagoff:

Obama? Clinton? Dean?

Posted by: Fritz at May 21, 2008 05:12 PM (gjLdu)

22 "Who is ready on Day One to lead?"

Bob "not fucking McCain" Barr!


Posted by: Barbula at May 21, 2008 05:13 PM (WfuGI)

23 Just like this chick to drag two entire states into her Gotterdaemmerung drama. Rather than having the guts to sink or swim on her own merits, she's got to martyr herself. See, she's doing it because they want her to. She's like that little shit in school who pulls the fire alarm and then, after the in-out trudge, claims some other kid dared her to; it was always for some other motive, not the sheer-hell fun of it.

I'm thrilled to see this Varus-in-the-Teutoburger Wald act go on needlessly. But I'd have just this much more respect for her if she'd, umm, man up and do it because she's got brass balls and wants the fucking job bad enough and not because "she's doing it for the people."

Posted by: railwriter at May 21, 2008 05:21 PM (XcsD4)

24

Hildabeasts claim on the popular vote is crap.  The numbers from the caucai(sp) have never been counted, so we really don't know the true numbers.  Also did anybody hear, it was either on CNN or MSNBC, about how difficult it would be for the Bambi to get a fair shake in states run by Republican Govs and Sec States?

Posted by: mastour at May 21, 2008 05:38 PM (AuiYJ)

25 Ok, very loose shit on my part.  Didn't see that Ace posted the shit down below.  I'll stick to lurking for now on.

Posted by: mastour at May 21, 2008 05:41 PM (AuiYJ)

26

Why she's sticking around:

A) Weaken O! and set up 2012 run

B) Continue to raise money to pay off campaign debt

C) VP slot

D) Secretary of State

E) Attorney General

F) All of the above.

Posted by: Paulitics at May 21, 2008 06:00 PM (47+Ys)

27 You couldn't get her out of the race with a crowbar. This hasn't even gotten ugly yet. Mmmmm sweet.

Posted by: joe at May 21, 2008 07:33 PM (YcIuv)

28 Nobody believes me right now, but I don't think she's as down as that horse they shot. I think there is still hopitude for some changeyness from now till nom time.

Posted by: SarahW at May 21, 2008 07:53 PM (7sl9X)

29 You know, if Hillary does become President, she's going to nuke Chicago.


Posted by: eman at May 21, 2008 08:20 PM (WWkFI)

30 Chicago '68, here we come!  Actually, Denver could make THAT look like a picnic, because they're not prepared for it.

Posted by: Dave J at May 21, 2008 09:24 PM (glamO)

31

Hillary's strategy is to dare Obama to say 'fuck you' to MI and FL at the convention.

Hillary will not get the Dem nomination in '12. If she can't win it this year, she's done, Presidential aspirations-wise. Dems always need their next new face. You can say you read it here first, and that you knew me back when.

Fianlly, I hope the Denver convention is an absolute clusterfuck. Fear and loathing, anarchy in the streets, vandalism and trash fires and activists flipping police cars over, the whole bit. The worse the better.

Posted by: along came Jones at May 22, 2008 03:42 AM (KOkrW)

32

Ace, dude, you just don't get it pal.

Obama will not be the nominee. Period.

He's a black guy, or hadn't you noticed.

And because of the history of black politicians in this country, and in other countries, he is unelectable to the Presidency. Thus, he will not be the nominee.

Hillary Clinton will be the nominee, because she is not black.

Michigan and Florida delegates will be seated - because that's the only way Hillary can get the nomination. It's why Obama was tricked into not campaigning there. It was always Hillary's firewall ... just in case.

Obama will still command the lead in the popular vote. But it won't matter. The party isn't going to nominate him, and it doesn't have to. It can nominate whoever it wants despite what its members vote. And it wouldn't be the first time that has occurred, so it won't even be historic on those terms.

Black people will be pissed, but really, what alternative do they have? They will vote for Hillary 80% come November. They know who writes their checks every month and it's not the Republican Party. What, they're going to vote for John "The Other White Bread" McCain? Please, grow up and learn how to do some dispassionate analysis.

What do you not understand about this?

Now, once this happens, of course, I'll want you to write a long post about how smart I was to predict this way back in May.

Posted by: yourdaddy at May 22, 2008 04:35 AM (Ncq2X)

33 Hillary will not be the nominee, this year or any other.

Posted by: along came Jones at May 22, 2008 06:29 AM (KOkrW)

34

yourdaddy:

Your scenario would require a catalyst, someone brave/stupid enough to be the first person to tell the black element of the Democratic Party to get bent. Who would that be? Would you do it? Would you want to go down in the annals of the party's history as the guy who alienated and "disenfranchised," with the stroke of a pen and a smoke-filled meeting, a huge chunk of the already resentful Democratic electorate--enough of the electorate, with change to spare, to give the edge to Republican candidates for the next twenty years? Sure, that person will trot out popular vote/Michigan and Florida, etc., and party hacks might line up behind the movement as long as they didn't have to lead it, but black Democrats understand that this time might not come around for them in a long time, and if you think they're going to go quietly, you're mistaken. And if you think they'd forget the unmaking of Obama anytime soon...

Obama's the one. Hillary's struggling only makes her binds tighter.

Posted by: railwriter at May 22, 2008 10:04 AM (2AgNZ)

35

railwriter,

You wrote: "Would you want to go down in the annals of the party's history as the guy who alienated and "disenfranchised," with the stroke of a pen and a smoke-filled meeting, a huge chunk of the already resentful Democratic electorate--enough of the electorate, with change to spare, to give the edge to Republican candidates for the next twenty years?"

First, let me explain how such things happen. They don't happen in the light. They happen in the dark. Whoever does the deed ... you'll never know their name. Obama himself will be telling you that's what he wanted all along. That he fought the good fight, and now he wants you to support Hillary.

Second ... black people disenfranchise themselves by always voting for Democrats. Their votes don't count, because they are always going to vote for whoever the Democrat is. The Democrat could be Robert E. Lee. Wouldn't matter. Black people would vote for him.

They have to. They're slaves to the Party that writes their checks. They have no choice in the matter. They will vote Democrat and like it and sit down and shut up. Will there be a few voices screaming. Sure. There are always people who don't really know what the score is.

Will it matter? Nope.

I mean seriously. Is Al Sharpton going tell black people to vote for John McCain? Is Jesse Jackson going to become a Republican when Hillary is nominated? Andrew Young is too busy trying to keep the media from reporting on John Edwards' love child to be much of a factor at the convention. I mean, who's left?

No, thse people aren't going to lead the blacks out of the desert. They're going to do what their told to do. They sold out their people long ago.

Mark. My. Words.

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