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| Appeals Court Upholds Ruling That Paper Money Discriminates Against the BlindThe D.C. Circuit Court of Appeals holds 2-1 today that our current paper money constitutes a denial of meaningful access to U.S. currency for blind people. Hans Bader disagrees with the court: The appeals court wrongly gave short shrift to the burden imposed on third parties, suggesting that it did not even need to be considered, even though other federal court rulings recognize that an institution is not required to accommodate a disability or religious practice if doing so would unduly burden third parties. ...As Judge Randolph noted in dissent, “There are approximately 7,000,000 food and beverage vending machines in the United States; by one estimate, it would cost $3.5 billion to retool or replace these machines.”Case pending: Graham Institute of Missouri Paraplegic Studies, et al. v. City of New York -- Alleging that Central Park discriminates against the wheelchair bound; saying it must be entirely paved over. Comments1
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I recall SNL's take on a similar situation a number of years ago.
In the Big Apple, New York’s Empire State Building will soon be made accessible for the physically disabled. A spokesman said among other things a wheelchair ramp will be installed. The ramp will begin at Central Park, leading 26 blocks to up to the building’s observation deck. Posted by: BrandonInBatonRouge at May 20, 2008 04:14 PM (ulJqx) 3
It's amazing how this can be the greatest country and the stupidest one at the same time.
Of course, when it's the latter you can usually find lawyers and judges involved. Posted by: DrewM. at May 20, 2008 04:14 PM (hlYel) 4
I assume that this decision will be appealed?
Didn't I read or hear somewhere the other day that it already costs more than a penny to produce a penny? I wish I could cite a reference. This just doesn't seem feasible. Posted by: NG at May 20, 2008 04:15 PM (ym/Kq) Posted by: dri at May 20, 2008 04:16 PM (qu/jV) 6
Maybe this is the court's plan to get the economy going.
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What about porn, does that discriminate? Should Playboy offer free hand-jobs for blind people who purchase their magazine?
Posted by: Max Power at May 20, 2008 04:16 PM (q177U) 8
Would Tatel have to recuse himself from an en banc?
Posted by: someone at May 20, 2008 04:18 PM (2z2WN) 9
So what do these dingbat judges propose that we use in place of paper currency that would be acceptable in their eyes?
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Didn't I read or hear somewhere the other day that it already costs more than a penny to produce a penny?
As of 2006 it cost 1.23 cents to produce a penny. I'm assuming it's more today. Posted by: Benson at May 20, 2008 04:20 PM (qzcNU) 11
What about porn, does that discriminate? Should Playboy offer free hand-jobs for blind people who purchase their magazine?
They don't need to do that... a creative use of braille bumps can be used to make a relief-map of that month's centerfold. Posted by: BrandonInBatonRouge at May 20, 2008 04:20 PM (ulJqx) 12
Remember SACAJAWEAS?
Posted by: tobwing plover at May 20, 2008 04:21 PM (evdj2) 13
All blind people should send their paper money to me. Win/win, baby.
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I am discrimbambimated by books with big wrods. Wingers put them in ther to tricks me but i'm not tricked!
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How 'bout scented bills? Whatever that scent was they used for Smurf Pie in my Scratch-n-Sniff Smurf book is what I want the $20 bill to smell like. Posted by: Joanie at May 20, 2008 04:29 PM (Z9tCp) 16
Why don't the blind just use credit/debit cards like everyone else? Who the hell still uses cash?
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Obama has a solution to this problem...
You won't have any folding money by the time he gets done with you. Problem solved. Posted by: wiserbud at May 20, 2008 04:32 PM (wWwJR) 18
So, they are again trying to make us into euroweenies and impose their funny money on us.
Posted by: Guy Ritchie's Career at May 20, 2008 04:38 PM (hG4P0) 19
Maybe they should quit being blind.
Why are all of us supposed to suffer for their lifestyle choice? Posted by: Kasper Hauser at May 20, 2008 04:41 PM (KeOQp) 20
Blind venders have machines that read their money. Also, I assume they use credit cards that can be checked via telephone. If someone cheats them, they get protected. If debit card and they get cheated -- the law will come down like a ton of bricks on anyone who tries to take advantage of a blind man/woman. I've seen people prosecuted for it and they get slammed.
Posted by: Guy Ritchie's Career at May 20, 2008 04:42 PM (hG4P0) 21
Bah; this is just the DC court. They get overturned more often than a Suzuki Samuri with blown shock absorbers.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at May 20, 2008 04:42 PM (rf03a) 22
Whatever that scent was they used for Smurf Pie in my Scratch-n-Sniff Smurf book is what I want the $20 bill to smell like.
That scratch 'n' sniff stuff lasts forever. Over spring break, I was babysitting my niece (16 months and ADORABLE) and she scampered over with an old Strawberry Shortcake scratch 'n' sniff that looked and smelled suspiciously familiar--at least, to that little corner of the brain that remembers stuff from your childhood. Turns out, we used to play with it with our cousins (no one can remember which family it actually belonged to back then). Posted by: Gabriel at May 20, 2008 04:42 PM (1Ug6U) 23
This is part of a scheme to move us over to a 100% cashless society.
And that's when they'll be able to track our every move. Posted by: Phinn at May 20, 2008 05:03 PM (NLtoU) 24
One of my blind friends once told me that when he gets his money from the bank (this was in the days before ATMs), he folded each denomination differently. And that's how he kept track. Lawyers were pissed at him, though, because he was able to resolve his difficulties and live his life without suing anyone. Posted by: OregonMuse at May 20, 2008 05:05 PM (FO+YO) 25
I figured out a solution to this pressing problem at work today. It's simple: just cut up your bills. The government can decide the details, but for example, lets cut $5 bills in half, $10 bills in quarters, $20 diagonally, you get the idea. Perhaps the banks can even do it for us. They can continue printing money the way it is, and we can do the rest.
Or we can simply throw out all our money and start using garishly colored cash of different sizes and shapes with pictures of birds or trees or gia god algore. Posted by: shibumi at May 20, 2008 05:05 PM (tZB/c) 26
GAWD! Don't the blind carry debit and credit cards and enough CHANGE to deal with their every day business?! Paper money--hardly any one uses it according to the commercials!
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how about this legal argument: "so what?"
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Be careful what you post here guys! If any blind people read this shit they are going to be pissed!
Posted by: Kasper Hauser at May 20, 2008 05:41 PM (KeOQp) 31
Be careful what you post here guys! If any blind people read this shit they are going to be pissed! and they have sticks and an attitude! Posted by: Maetenloch (not a maniac) at May 20, 2008 05:46 PM (tZ4B9) 32
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I just can't see the point.
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It won't cost much to retoll those machines if we don't revise the 1 dollar bill and only revise the other bills.
It really is common sense to have differently sized currencies. It can make it a bit more difficult to counterfeit, it is easier to see how much you have in low light situations, etc etc. We keep revising our currencies anyway. I don't really care about the blind. It they aren't using credit cards by now, I think they are idiots, but what can you say? My school's coke machines all take credit cards. Aside from parking machines, they were the very last thing I needed cash for. The federal government would be better off by simply being the first nation to dramatically reduce the availability of cash, and offer tax incentives for using credit cards (or even a government standardized debit card of some kind, linked to your National and Voter ID!). Cash/coins is really expensive to make. You need it sometimes... there are places with little electricity, but we can move forward technologically. Posted by: gohuckyourself at May 20, 2008 06:44 PM (8jYMc) 36
It won't cost much to retoll those machines if we don't revise the 1 dollar bill and only revise the other bills.
is that right, gohuckyourself? Your basis is.....what, exactly, your inherent genius? I was at a Transportation hearing in San Diego last Friday when a citizen complained the bus fare collection machines don't recognize the new $5's. As it was explained by the staff, it takes $10,000 in software every time a change is made to the appearance (larger heads, different locations, etc.) Care to explain how much it would take for differently sized currency? How about those poor "challenged" who don't have sight or hands? Do we then discriminate against them? I guess we could make currency with sounds for the different values? But what about no hands/no sight/ no hearing.... Jeebus How about telling the DC court to fuck off? Posted by: Frank G at May 20, 2008 07:23 PM (Ydps9) 37
I've been looking forward to a move to an alternative currency standard...like clam shells.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at May 20, 2008 07:24 PM (fs+G8) 38
I still need paper money to pay for my expensive cigars and thus hide the purchases from my wife. Yes, I'm a wuss. Posted by: Steve (aka Ed Snate) at May 20, 2008 07:25 PM (CDg1b) 39
First, this is horribly stupid... But... what if this is actually a proper reading and logical application of a really crappily written law. That's one of the basic tenets of conservatism: a wary eye towards "reformist" laws such as this one because there is no way to know the ultimate repercussions of them. I mean, if the ADA led to the banning of the dollar bill as we know it, imagine the implications of something like Government Mandated Healthcare. Or Greenhouse Gas regulations. I'm no lawyer, but the blame for this may not be with the judges, but the lawmakers who gave them a crappy law they had to rule on.
Posted by: Lee at May 20, 2008 07:57 PM (+kJAy) 40
My best friend is blind, and the amount of venom she unleashes on idiots like these sue-happy bastards would make your typical AoS reader wet himself and flee her wrath.
Somehow, she's managed to live her entire life without needing specially-sized currency, or different-sized bills. Posted by: Evil Otto at May 20, 2008 07:58 PM (08dnm) 41
Damn it!! Where are the robot cars for the blind? Posted by: Darth Randall at May 20, 2008 08:03 PM (oLULt) 42
Are cashiers and vendors so dishonest these days that this is really necessary?
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What about porn, does that discriminate? Should Playboy offer free hand-jobs for blind people who purchase their magazine?
What if it was reading too much Playboy that caused them to go blind in the first place? Posted by: Francase at May 20, 2008 09:47 PM (5h4CX) Posted by: MrsPaulsFishSticks at May 20, 2008 09:57 PM (PBGAP) 47
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Why can't they use some sort of bill/text reader? Surely it would be trivial to build a scanner about the size of a USB stick that could read bills, CC receipts, etc. I mean, what's next? A law requiring the world to be so safe they don't need their white canes?
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sO WHO VOTED THESE IDIOT JUDGES TO TELL US HOW TO RUN THIS COUNTRY maybe its time to impeach these activists liberal judges
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"Graham Institute of Missouri Paraplegic Studies, et al. v. City of New York -- Alleging that Central Park discriminates against the wheelchair bound; saying it must be entirely paved over." Paraplegics against the Global Warmenist Gorebots (paving bad for Gaia), the people will lose. Posted by: davod at May 21, 2008 06:47 AM (llh3A) 53
This has nothing to do with the ADA. Administrative judges and the normal legal system has distorted the meaning of the ADA. The ADA says reasonable accommodation!!!!!
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Dr. Science is behind this, I guarantee.
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