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Obama Claims Iran Not a "Serious Threat" to the US

... thereby proving Obama is a serious threat to the US.

Captain Ed takes a few shots in this target-rich environment of retardities.

“They don’t pose a serious threat to us in the way the Soviet Union posed a threat to us,” Obama told a cheering audience, explaining why he doesn’t think we need to worry about “tiny” countries like Venezuela, Cuba, North Korea, and Iran. Obama also displays a weird sense of history when he suggests that the Berlin Wall fell because we engaged Mikhail Gorbachev....

Much of this talk about talking seems to miss the real point. Because it's a difficult issue to explain, it tends to get reduced to the simple-but-largely-wrong idea that talking to Iran gives them credibility and dignity and reduces our bargaining position. That's true, but those are rather small-beans questions of tactics and strategy; when Obama asks "What can listening to them hurt?," I think many nod in agreement.

The real problem is Obama's naivete in believing that talk is enough to resolve serious fundamental disagreements between countries.

Just as Bush said:

Some seem to believe that we should negotiate with the terrorists and radicals, as if some ingenious argument will persuade them they have been wrong all along. We have heard this foolish delusion before. As Nazi tanks crossed into Poland in 1939, an American senator declared: “Lord, if I could only have talked to Hitler, all this might have been avoided.” We have an obligation to call this what it is — the false comfort of appeasement, which has been repeatedly discredited by history.

Simply put, what is the point of a "negotiation" when neither party can or will settle for a compromise? If a man is absolutely unwilling to work for less than $50,000 per year and his would-be employer is absolutely unwilling to pay him more that $40,000, there's no "negotiation" to be had. $45,000 per year is not a compromise that either party can accept.

Our differences with Iran are similarly absolute:

Iran wishes to have atomic bombs capable of threatening the region, and possibly destroying Tel Aviv and other large Jewish cities which don't have Muslim holy places within them. We wish them not to have such bombs.

Iran wishes to attack Israel and Lebanon through its ghoulish terrorist proxies Hamas and Hezballah. We wish them not to.

Iran wishes to arm, train, and coordinate attacks on US troops in Iraq in order to destabilize that country, reduce it to a terrorist-spawning failed state, and claim it as a satrapy. We wish them to stop doing so.

Now, my question for Obama is, "What 'compromise' solution do you propose for any of those disagreements?" That Iran shall be permitted to have six nuclear warheads but no more than six? That Iran shall be permitted to arm Hamas but not Hezballah? That Iran will cap the number of US troops it murders per year at, say, 100? With, perhaps, a monetary penalty to be paid for each additional American it kills in excess of that number?

Or perhaps we can permit Iran to achieve one of those policy goals if it relents on the others? In which case, I really need to know which of those Obama plans to concede to Iran. Will they be allowed to have the atomic bomb if they stop funding, training, and arming terrorists in Lebanon, Palestine, and Iraq? Will they be allowed to ramp up terrorism in Israel and Lebanon if they refrain from doing so in Iraq?

That sounds an awful lot like appeasement, the naive prayer that if a resolutely aggressive regime is given one concession it will consider itself satisfied and stop demanding more. But, the media will tell us, this is nothing like appeasement; after all, Iran doesn't wish to rule the Sudentenland.

The only other inducements Obama could offer Iran are of course already offered to Iran. We could normalize Iran's place in the world diplomatically and economically. We could end the various embargoes, including the pressure on banks and investment houses to not put money into Iran (which does seem to be damaging the Iranian economy).

But of course Iran already determined that its goals of acquiring the bomb and sponsoring terrorism are much more important to it than normalized diplomatic relations and end to sanctions. Furthermore, they obviously could have both of those benefits at any time they choose to stop their quest for the bomb and end their support for terrorism. They already know that. It's not like Barack Obama needs to explain to them they can have those things. And it's not as if the Bush Administration never contemplated ending the isolation of Iran if it should become a better-behaving state, and that it's only Barack Obama who came up with the genius idea of ending sanctions if the sanctioned country ends the behavior that earned it the sanctions in the first plalce.

So what, precisely, does Obama believe he will talk about with Iran? Is he really so naive and arrogant to think that if he offers Iran the same deal Bush (and Clinton, and Bush, and Reagan) have been offering Iran for years, his natural charm and nonthreatening good looks will convince them to accept the deal they've rejected for nearly thirty years now?

Obama is absolutely allergic to the threat of military force against Iran, but of course that's the only card we have. And even that might not work. But certainly it has a better chance of working than simply re-offering Iran the exact same "clean up your act and we'll treat you more nicely" deal that's been on the table since the wild-eyed theocrats took over the country three decades ago.

And so he only offers "talk" as strategy for victory. Which is doubly frightening, for two reasons:

* Taking the military option off the table does indeed resolve our disagreements with Iran -- by tacitly conceding each and every point to Iran. If a cop and a thief arrive at the "compromise" that the cop will never arrest the thief, the thief sort of wins out in that "compromise," doesn't he? The thief has everything he wants from the cop -- free license to continue stealing without threat of punishment. And the cop has gained... well, he's gained some free time, I guess, as he won't be wasting time chasing down the thief anymore. Simply "talking" forever essentially ratifies Iran's policy positions and gives them everything they want.

* Furthermore, Obama will be forced to lie about this situation in order to get off the pages of the newspapers. Just as Clinton claimed his deal with North Korea had ended North Korea's nuclear program -- he could not admit that North Korea was continuing to build the bomb before the ink was even dry on the "treaty." Obama will be forced to claim all his worthless talk and talk and talk has actually borne fruit, and that Iran is now a much better behaved country. To preserve his own political position, he'll become an owned-and-operated spokesman for Iran. Each lie Iran tells about its real behavior will be endorsed by Obama as true, otherwise, gee willickers, it might look like Obama had accomplished nothing with all his wonderful talk.

Obama's plan, then, is essentially to concede every single point to Iran and simply take the issue off the table by claiming, falsely, that Iran is no longer a threat.

He's already begun that public relations rehabilitation of Iran -- by already declaring them not to be a "serious threat" before he even bothers signing all his wondrous treaties with them.

Obama's position -- talk first, talk last, talk forever -- makes him a captive of shared interests with the Iranian mullahs. They will conspire together to achieve their goals -- Iran, to achieve its goal of continuing to build the bomb and murder through terrorism, and Obama, to achieve his goal of dishonestly claiming Iran is no longer doing so, and thus he has "solved" the problem of Iran.

As they say, diplomacy almost always "works," because both sides have a strong motivation to claim the talks have produced a positive outcome. Iran will be permitted to continue its repulsive support of terrorism against Israel, Lebanon, Iraq, and the US itself; they will just be asked to do so more quietly and covertly, so that Obama can un-certify them as state sponsors of terror and claim victory. They will be allowed to work on the bomb secretly, with less bluster and no further public declarations they're building the bomb; Obama will pretend to believe them, and in fact direct the intelligence agencies to certify them as having abandoned the project.

Both sides win -- Iran wins, and Obama wins.... politically. The only loser is US national security, but who cares about such a trivial thing?

McCain's Response:

“Before I begin my prepared remarks, I want to respond briefly to a comment Senator Obama made yesterday about the threat posed to the United States by the Government of Iran. Senator Obama claimed that the threat Iran poses to our security is “tiny” compared to the threat once posed by the former Soviet Union. Obviously, Iran isn’t a superpower and doesn’t possess the military power the Soviet Union had. But that does not mean that the threat posed by Iran is insignificant. On the contrary, right now Iran provides some of the deadliest explosive devices used in Iraq to kill our soldiers. They are the chief sponsor of Shia extremists in Iraq, and terrorist organizations in the Middle East. And their President, who has called Israel a “stinking corpse,” has repeatedly made clear his government’s commitment to Israel’s destruction. Most worrying, Iran is intent on acquiring nuclear weapons. The biggest national security challenge the United States currently faces is keeping nuclear material out of the hands of terrorists. Should Iran acquire nuclear weapons, that danger would become very dire, indeed. They might not be a superpower, but the threat the Government of Iran poses is anything but “tiny.”

He then goes on to argue about the "prestige" of a direct president-to-president summiting with Iran. Which, as I've argued ad nauseum above, is one of the weakest reasons possible to oppose Obama's plan to chat America's enemies into submission.

Posted by: Ace at 12:05 PM



Comments

1 OK, yes, Osama is worse than McCain.

That doesn't make McCain any less unacceptable.

Posted by: John Galt at May 19, 2008 12:13 PM (SDkq3)

2 Great post, and the last bit is a great summary.

His statements sound a lot like the stupid stuff I heard college kids say about the Soviet Union back in the 80s. They don't change the narrative, just put new names and dates in the appropriate places, it seems.

Posted by: funky chicken at May 19, 2008 12:14 PM (I+jPP)

3 One wonders if Dissent will still be considered Patriotic once the Obamauddib is installed in office.

Posted by: V the K at May 19, 2008 12:17 PM (PLvLS)

4 You know the only thing we haven't tried with Iran? Blowing shit up.  I say we give it a whirl.

I am not as flippant as that statement seems but the reality is Iran has been killing Americans for going on 30 years and aside from a couple of hits in the '80s (thanks Ronnie!) we've been wetting our pants about what more we can can give them to stop them.

There are compelling reasons for not kicking this bee hive (stability in Iraq, pay back attacks, gas prices, etc) but we aren't going to avoid those problems in the long term if we ignore Iran forever.

If you think Iran is bold now and gas prices are high and will go higher with an attack on Iran, imagine what happens when these guys have nukes. 

The choice isn't between everything is happy and attacking Iran, it's between problems now or problems later with a nuclear armed Iran.  Putting things off always is easier but history tells us it's almost always the wrong choice.

Posted by: DrewM. at May 19, 2008 12:20 PM (hlYel)

5 Of course in the 1980s it was that the Soviet Union didn't pose any real threat like Japan had in WWII.

Nice to see that the narrative has advanced enough to acknowledge that the Soviets were a real threat.

Posted by: funky chicken at May 19, 2008 12:20 PM (I+jPP)

6 The fact that we have put up with this shit for 30 years makes things awkward.

Posted by: toby928 at May 19, 2008 12:22 PM (evdj2)

7 This Monday morning is going to be easy for me. After all, how many ways can I say that Obama is an idiot?

Posted by: Harry at May 19, 2008 12:24 PM (YyPbu)

8 Kamala Harris for SCOTUS!

One reason that the national board of NARAL, the pro-abortion lobbying organization, endorsed Sen. Barack Obama, and encouraged its state membership to do the same, was a series of behind the scenes conversations between the Obama campaign and NARAL.

"The message was, get on board or risk losing influence," says an Obama strategist. "We needed one of these [feminist or pro-abortion] groups to step up and walk away from Hillary. NARAL did it, and to its credit under great danger to its credibility with its membership."

NARAL has since been bombarded by its members with hate mail and threats of loss of donations for a perceived abandonment of Clinton.But as part of the conversation with NARAL, Obama advisers suggested that Obama was more likely to put in place key feminist and pro-abortion activists than Clinton. "The name that kept popping up was [San Francisco District Attorney] Kamala Harris. The campaign promised she'd become increasingly higher profile with Obama, and the women's groups love her," says another Obama strategist.

Harris is viewed as one of the most radical local elective office holders in the country, a district attorney who has refused to seek the death penalty even against cop-killers, and who has won high praise from the homosexual and pro-abortion lobbies that have strong bases in the San Francisco Bay Area.

Harris has been mentioned for high profile jobs in an Obama Administration, with some claiming she could be a dark-horse candidate for Attorney General. "She's smart, with not a lot of experience, but given where the Senate could be [with 60 Democrats], confirmation of someone this unqualified for that important a job wouldn't be far-fetched," says a San Francisco Democratic operative. "That's one reason why the campaign wants to give her a higher profile in the coming months, to test her."

Or Attorney General. Whatever.

Posted by: funky chicken at May 19, 2008 12:24 PM (I+jPP)

9 Iran spends 1/100th of what the US spends on defense, Barry?

I'll wager that 9-11 cost al-Qaeda less than 1/100th of what Pearl Harbor cost the Japanese, yet they killed slightly more people.


This guy is an absolute fucking imbecile.  I don't think he can campaign for another 5+ months without proving to the American people that he's an absolute bimbo.

Posted by: stinky esposito at May 19, 2008 12:26 PM (7lpnM)

10

"Obama's plan, then, is essentially to concede every single point to Iran and simply take the issue off the table by claiming, falsely, that Iran is no longer a threat."

It's the standard line of fucking bullshit from the left, and it led to the WTC getting blown up.

They didn't seem to give a fuck when it got attacked THE FIRST TIME.

I hate those stupid motherfuckers.

Posted by: Rev. Dr. E Buzz Miller at May 19, 2008 12:26 PM (vFeQi)

11 Shorter Obama: "These are not the droids you're looking for."

Posted by: Loren Heal at May 19, 2008 12:26 PM (uiKEv)

12 Dammit Ace, you're not helping us out here. 

I desperately want to write in Fred! or Zombie Reagan on my November ballot.  Unfortunately, you're convincing me that it's going to be a death sentence if I do.

Quit it!

Posted by: Alice H at May 19, 2008 12:45 PM (jRtPb)

13 Now, my question for Obama is, "What 'compromise' solution do you propose for any of those disagreements?"

DISTRACTION!!!1!!one!!

Posted by: Sean M. at May 19, 2008 12:45 PM (e6v7s)

14 Another question is whether or not Obama will even have the cajones to provide cover for Israel if they decide to do something actually useful, like an airstrike to prevent Iran from getting the bomb.  Or will he throw them under the bus as well?

Posted by: Jeffc at May 19, 2008 12:52 PM (+inic)

15 ROFLMAO!!!

Posted by: ahmadinejad at May 19, 2008 12:56 PM (9uASe)

16 Seriously - this isn't snark.

What's a President McCain going to do differently? What's his plan for Iran?

Posted by: krakatoa at May 19, 2008 12:59 PM (/FUhT)

17 Great summary of our Mexican standoff, Ace. Too bad you're not writing speeches for the RNC or a guest on Olbermann/Maher/Couric/et al's shows to explain the obvious. Granted, the hosts know what you said is true, but perhaps some of their audience will wake the fark up from their kumbaya chorus.

stinky esposito: "This guy is an absolute fucking imbecile. I don't think he can campaign for another 5+ months without proving to the American people that he's an absolute bimbo."

To the former, so true. Amazing that his supposed brilliance is so often contradicted by his rhetoric and "policy." To the latter, yes he can. Look at the votes (in the non-bitter America districts), the political investment by our pro-Obama media organ, and the poll responses by Barack supporters to the question "What has Barack actually, tangibly, done to earn your support?" The roar of crickets chirping will fly right over their heads as hope and change whispers in their ears.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at May 19, 2008 01:06 PM (Uy68a)

18 What's a President McCain going to do differently? What's his plan for Iran?

Well, bombing is probably out. Do you have any idea how much global warming gas is emitted by B-1 bombers.

Posted by: V the K at May 19, 2008 01:07 PM (PLvLS)

19 I always think whenever lefties claim a ME regime is not a threat to us what they're really saying to their hippie followers is to let Israel fight their own battles. It's like hippie code.

Posted by: spongeworthy at May 19, 2008 01:11 PM (a00go)

20 What's a President McCain going to do differently? What's his plan for Iran?

Krak,

Well he isn't going to have Carteresque negotiations with them for starters. That's an improvement isn't it? He's also said many times that he wants to prevent Iran from acquiring nukes and make them stop training and supplying terrorists in Iraq, has unconditional support for Israel's right to exist. And he isn't shy about keeping the military threat in the mix.

But what are you looking for as far as a plan? Politicians aren't in the business of publicizing their diplomatic plans. It sort of spoils the surprise.

Posted by: runninrebel at May 19, 2008 01:20 PM (0n9wc)

21

"It's like hippie code."

You just summed up Obama's entire campaign message.  It doesn't mean anything... it's just a script designed to make old hippies feel good.

Posted by: sherlock at May 19, 2008 01:27 PM (N7uu0)

22 #17-

I agree.  The MSM is Barack's bitch and will cover up for him 'til they bleed.  But he's coming out with such nuclear-strength stupid that they're not going to be able to keep the lid on it through the general election and into November.

His Carter-redux 'turn down the thermostat and put on a sweater because the UN doesn't approve' is absolute poison, and he's always good for the next gaffe coming pretty soon.  Almost six more months for the voters to find out their betrothed is an unqualified idiot.

Posted by: Stinky Esposito at May 19, 2008 01:37 PM (uY8KE)

23 I propose the following sliding scale for our new hope based diplomacy:

The Large countries of Russia, China, Brazil Austrailia, and Canada must meet 5 preconditions before any negotiations.

Medium sized Countries like India, Kazakhastan, and Greenland have 2 preconditions,

Tiny countries like Iran, North Korea, Venezuela, Sudan and Cuba get no preconditions we should meet with them right away.

Finally, itsy-bitsy pissant sized countries and territories like East Timor, Lebanon, Wallis and Futuna, and of course, Liechtenstein get to give us 2 preconditions.

The only exception to this scale is Israel, which although smaller than Cuba, must give us 10 preconditions before any negotiation because, well, it's full of Jews.

Thank you for your interest in National Defense, Hope and Change. 


Posted by: Voices in my Head at May 19, 2008 01:38 PM (txZij)

24 ...he's always good for the next gaffe coming pretty soon.

Yep. Obama's problem is that he's steeped in this lefty pap. The left's mindset is his mindset. All he is doing is repeating the same incredibly unpopular perspective with different language. Instead of rethinking his premise he's going to continue to find new ways to express it. Each one will be a damaging as the next.

Posted by: runninrebel at May 19, 2008 01:45 PM (0n9wc)

25

Does Barry realize that Iran is part of the larger problem of Militant Islam?

No?

Does he realize how the Central American communists have declared war on us?

No?

Does he know about the Cuban Missile Crisis?

No?

I mean, this guy is so much stupider than any liberal I can remember seeing that it is just fucking amazing he could become the President. He talks like he really doesn't like this country, as if he is more concerned with how the other side is doing, than how THIS country is doing. That's what I took from that CHERRY PICKED 5 minute speech.

The asshole leftists bitched about how Bush was destroying the country, it DID NOT HAPPEN. Now this chump comes out here running for President and then minimizes the threat of state funded terrorism???

You're fucking KIDDING me. It's mind fucking boggling.


Posted by: Sir Rev. Dr. E Buzz Heinz-Miller-Heinz, Esq at May 19, 2008 01:52 PM (sf4Oe)

26 stinky esposito @ #9 above,
We are offended by your linking of the nit wit, Barack Hussein Obama, and we, the wonderful bimbos. We are the women even a man like you can sleep with. We provide valuable services that others simply will not provide at the price of three cocktails. Obama plans to confiscate your money and not even have the God damned courtesy to give you a reach around.

We demand an apology.

Posted by: Bimbos de Blog at May 19, 2008 02:07 PM (5/uG4)

27 I mean, this guy is so much stupider than any liberal I can remember seeing that it is just fucking amazing he could become the President.

But he can't be stupid, because liberal blacks can't be stupid, and if you call him stupid you're a stupid racist.  And he talks real nice.  Probably wears Dockers and deck shoes.  He's special ... you be nice to Barry.

Posted by: The Media at May 19, 2008 02:14 PM (A1bAD)

28 I apologize to the bimbos for lowering them to Barack Obama's level, and would like to show my regret by allowing them to perform oral sex upon me.

Posted by: Stinky Esposito at May 19, 2008 02:16 PM (uY8KE)

29

Ace, you should delete this post before people get to thinking we are "a very smart military blog" and not a pack of drooling morons.

This may be the best distillation of the problem I've read this season.

Posted by: marchand chronicles at May 19, 2008 02:18 PM (nhaP2)

30 Three drinks at the local watering hole and you're good, Stinky.
See you there.

Posted by: Bimbos de Blog at May 19, 2008 02:21 PM (5/uG4)

31 Does Barry realize that Iran is part of the larger problem of Militant Islam?

Which militant Islam is that genius?  Your convenient foil AQ?  Not so much.  Oh you  mean the warring fundamentalists that W put us in the middle of in Iraq?  Hama Hamas Hamas, that's the new rabbit!  You're a dumbfuck to say the least.

Will this new meme in the making that BHO is actually that rare bird, the "stupid elitist"?  I'm pretty sure you guys are going to have to pick one of over the other.  W is a stupid elitist if you're curious, that's what that looks like.

Fun to see fat ass train his sissy gun on BHO now, you guys seem scared.  Feels good, feels real good.


Posted by: least at May 19, 2008 02:25 PM (OoARq)

32 ...that rare bird, the "stupid elitist"?  ...Unfortunately, not so rare.

Posted by: Voices in my Head at May 19, 2008 02:31 PM (txZij)

33 Just more proof that the Obamamessiah is not fit to be POTUS. As if we needed any more.

Posted by: Dick Nixon at May 19, 2008 02:42 PM (kaOJx)

34 Our biggist threat comes from the same group of world wide crinimals that IRAN belongs to the UNITED NATIONS

Posted by: Spurwing Plover at May 19, 2008 02:55 PM (GdD8F)

35


 "Feels good, feels real good."

It took a second to recall, but it came to me.  That's a quote from Shawshank Redemption.  The queer rapist said those same words while jerking off in the shower in front of a bunch of other men.

What other pervs do you go around quoting while making your "points"?

Posted by: rickinstl at May 19, 2008 03:05 PM (MvmeX)

36 "Which militant Islam is that genius?  Your convenient foil AQ?  Not so much."

Yeah, nothing to worry about, nothing at all, the WTC getting hit was an isolated incident.

Idiot leftard.

"Will this new meme in the making that BHO is actually that rare bird, the "stupid elitist"?  I'm pretty sure you guys are going to have to pick one of over the other.  W is a stupid elitist if you're curious, that's what that looks like."

LOL, you sound just like that fat fuck Steve Kangas, before he got hammered on Jack and blew his brains out in Dick Scaife's bathroom.

While you probably aren't an elitist, you sure are stupid, maybe as dumb as Barry, the first Affirmative Action Presidential candidate.

So, did Barry get those Gentleman C's or did he get A's for being a black guy?

Posted by: Sir Rev. Dr. E Buzz Heinz-Miller-Heinz, Esq at May 19, 2008 03:28 PM (sf4Oe)

37

The Iranian situation is nothing a 500 kiloton nuke , or a large number of them,  can't fix. Or JDAMS.

They both work rather well, in Nixon's opinion anyway.

Posted by: Dick Nixon at May 19, 2008 04:39 PM (kaOJx)

38 Rove made a similar point on FNS yesterday.  The winning strategy for the right is to be agnostic on process and focus on the substance of negotiations.  Then Barack has to claim some secret formula that he can only reveal later, after the election.  Of course Kerry had a 'secret plan' prior to the election.  The media was all over that..............ummm, well they'll get on that any day now. 

Posted by: D'Oh at May 19, 2008 05:26 PM (ocHBO)

39 Linebacker III

Posted by: there's always the old school solution at May 19, 2008 05:26 PM (evdj2)

40 Yeah, nothing to worry about, nothing at all, the WTC getting hit was an isolated incident.

Huh?  Sort of proving my point moron.  Only stupid fucks like you think it's all the same problem.

It took a second to recall, but it came to me.


I am sure the recollection was spurred by your curiosity as to why your ignored member was all of a sudden getting all turgid and compromising.  Haha, how the fuck could you even remember such a random thing from a 10 year old movie?  The quiet creeping question you must never answer.

Posted by: least at May 19, 2008 05:28 PM (pby/K)

41

The Least Family requests your indulgence.  Our youngest hasn't been quite right since the civil war in Iraq didn't pan out.  We've tried to keep him medicated but even the wonders of modern pharmacology have failed us.

Posted by: Mr. Not Least, esq at May 19, 2008 05:46 PM (evdj2)

42 I

Posted by: ergastularius at May 19, 2008 06:13 PM (0pSPD)

43 love

Posted by: ergastularius at May 19, 2008 06:29 PM (0pSPD)

44 George

Posted by: ergastularius at May 19, 2008 06:33 PM (0pSPD)

45 Bush.

There...I SAID IT!!

Posted by: ergastularius at May 19, 2008 06:37 PM (0pSPD)

46 Look y'all.
Erg broke his blithering idiocy up into bite-sized portions.
Thanks for that.

Posted by: Nom de Blog at May 19, 2008 07:16 PM (wK2cX)

47 Goddamn erg, that's some funny shit.

I haven't laughed so hard since Beloved Weaver visited this site. 

Posted by: rog at May 19, 2008 07:27 PM (MrDIe)

48 Pudding!

Posted by: ergastularius at May 19, 2008 07:33 PM (0pSPD)

49 Gloryholes rule.

Posted by: ergastularius at May 19, 2008 07:36 PM (0pSPD)

50

I have never, not during my entire adulthood, used the words "fuck him" so often and so casually as I have since that moron came onto the scene.

On Brit's show tonight, I can't remember who, but either Fred or Mort spoke of a conversation with a close F.O.H. and how they determinably stated that Hill will win the nomination. When asked how, they responded that she was destined to take several more states and that, paraphrasing here, their were a few suprise bombs to be dropped.

Hmmm.

 

Hillary '08!

The lesser of two weasels...

Posted by: jmflynny at May 19, 2008 07:55 PM (IGWrW)

51 Jeebus that's some stupid. Erg and Obama.

Duh. Nuclear proliferation = American cities die. That simple.

Posted by: Jim Rockford at May 19, 2008 08:11 PM (4878o)

52 Israel assassinates perceived opponents. Perceived opponents ? I think there is a lot more to their opposition than just a perception. Jeez , erg you usually hide your anti semitism better than that.

Posted by: Aubrey at May 19, 2008 09:03 PM (NZwhj)

53 Erg,

Yes, we noticed your pathetic attempt at moral equivalence between Israel building a border fence to protect against constant suicide-bomb, rocket, and mortar attack and Nazi ghettoes for the purpose of easy processing for the death camps.

You are not quite too stupid to live, sadly; only too evil. May you choke to death on your own bile.

By the way, in Israel, Arabs have the vote. In Nazi Germany, Jews were murdered. Exactly the same, right?

Posted by: Mastiff at May 19, 2008 09:42 PM (umx2K)

54

I guarantee that there's one thing Bam Bam doesn't plan on offering Iran--to sell them weapons, the cash from which he then'll siphon off to fight some black operations somewhere.  Reagan pretty much set the standard for how far we should not go in our dealings with the Iranians.

Still, there are plenty of reasons to pursue diplomacy with Iran, just to name a few:

*To cool the rhetoric, and to thaw relations;                                                *To have them help us with hunting down Al Qaeda, and with calming down Hezbollah;                                                                                                     *To have them help us in Iraq, since they pretty much support the same side that we do, i.e. Maliki, the Hakims, et al.

Obviously, there's no guarantees, in any of our courses of action.  But talking loudly and hitting the wrong guy with a big stick, well, that's why so few people dare call themselves conservatives these days.

Posted by: Beloved Weaver at May 19, 2008 09:45 PM (MN3Lr)

55

"Only stupid fucks like you think it's all the same problem."

Yeah, I can see where you would be confused, leftist moron.

Let us know before you blow your brains out. We'll just wait for the news item and say that we knew you when you were a run of the mill dumb fuck leftist moron.

Posted by: Rev. Dr. E Buzz Miller at May 19, 2008 09:55 PM (vFeQi)

56 There's almost nothing to support your claims Iran is a threat to the US.  NOTHING.

Posted by: ergastularius at May 19, 2008 07:36 PM (0pSPD)

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Demise of US, Israel Imminent

TEHRAN (Fars News Agency)- Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad in a meeting with Syrian Foreign Minister Walid Mualem here on Tuesday assured that the United States and the Zionist regime of Israel will soon come to the end of their lives.

http://english.farsnews.com/newstext.php?nn=8511030486

(Iranian News Agency)

"Today, the Iranian people is the owner of nuclear technology. Those who want to talk with our people should know what people they are talking to. If some believe they can keep talking to the Iranian people in the language of threats and aggressiveness, they should know that they are making a bitter mistake. If they have not realized this by now, they soon will, but then it will be too late. Then they will realize that they are facing a vigilant, proud people."
-Ahmadinejad, August 1, 2006

http://www.memritv.org/clip_transcript/en/1216.htm

http://www.memritv.org/clip/en/1216.htm

"They ask: 'Is it possible for us to witness a world without America and Zionism?' But you had best know that this slogan and this goal are attainable, and surely can be achieved" -Mahmoud Ahmadinejad October 28, 2005


"If you would like to have good relations with the Iranian nation in the future… bow down before the greatness of the Iranian nation and surrender. If you don't accept [to do this], the Iranian nation will… force you to surrender and bow down." -Ahmadinejad,

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Ahmadinejad+America+site%3Amemri.org



But . . . outside of that, you're absolutely right

Posted by: AD at May 19, 2008 10:13 PM (vYzH/)

57 Of course, you have to believe Hamas and Hiz are "terrorists." But Israel who routinely assassinates perceived opponents, violates UB resolutions, imprisons civilians in a hellish ghetto, steals land from Palestinians, is not terroristic.

Oh dear god, you're putting terrorists in quotation marks next to Hezbollah?  Dude, they don't make any bones about it.

For UB, I'll assume you meant to type UN.  Chapter 7 resolutions carry a mandate.  Chapter 6 resolutions don't.  They don't because they're easy as hell to pass, so Middle Eastern countries pass those all the time condemning Israel.  Israel does not violate Chapter 7 resolutions which are the ones that carry  actual weight.  You, I assume, have been on the internet a few years by now - I have trouble believing someone hasn't explained that to you before.

As far as stealing land - yeah, Erg, they're so land hungry they gave back Gaza in return for little to nothing (from which they now receive rocket fire) and offered to give back 95% of the West Bank.  Now, that power monger, Olmert, has tossed out the possibility of giving the Golan Heights to Syria in return for their mere promise to cease hostilities.

Quit being retarded.

Posted by: AD at May 19, 2008 10:32 PM (vYzH/)

58 I like it when I poop.

I'm a stupid jackholewho doesn't realize that I'm not wanted.

Just banned your IP address again, ergie. Take a hint, douchenozzle.

Posted by: ergastularius at May 19, 2008 11:08 PM (0pSPD)

59 Beloved!  Good stuff man.

Comedy gold.

Diplomacy with Iran....heh....he he.......ha ha ha hahahahah......hooooohahahahahahahah.

Where do come up with this stuff?  Oh, I've got to get me some of that.

Posted by: Rogue Elephant at May 20, 2008 05:42 AM (MrDIe)

60 22 #17-

I agree.  The MSM is Barack's bitch and will cover up for him 'til they bleed.  But he's coming out with such nuclear-strength stupid that they're not going to be able to keep the lid on it through the general election and into November.

His Carter-redux 'turn down the thermostat and put on a sweater because the UN doesn't approve' is absolute poison, and he's always good for the next gaffe coming pretty soon.  Almost six more months for the voters to find out their betrothed is an unqualified idiot.

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