To Gauge Effect of Wright on Obama, the NYT Canvasses the Only People Who Matter -- Upper Class Liberals In Coffee Shops and... <i>Gourmet Dog Biscuit Stores</i>

To Gauge Effect of Wright on Obama, the NYT Canvasses the Only People Who Matter -- Upper Class Liberals In Coffee Shops and... Gourmet Dog Biscuit Stores

This story is a tad old by now, but Kaus is worth reading on the point:

A staple of cocooning journalism is the quickie poll showing that "Voters Say They Aren't Troubled by X," with X being an issue the polltakers don't want voters to be troubled by.
...if only 10% of voters say they will vote against a candidate because of X--while fully 90% of the voters say they are untroubled--that means the candidate has been badly damaged by X. In most races a candidate can't afford to lose 10% of the vote on a single issue. ... In today's story, of course, the Times strikes a blow for transparency and cost-efficiency, dispensing with the expensive, scientific-sounding claptrap of polling and cutting right to the soothing BS, interviewing a handful of upscale Indianapolis shoppers who duly deny they would be influenced by the Wright flap (but who knows what those "less cosmopolitan" Hoosiers down South will do).

The cocooning continues, this time with an actual poll -- a poll of a whole 283 Democrats.

At least 21% of that inadequate sample say they view Obama less favorably now, but the Times headline of course accentuates the positive -- hey, most Democrats aren't bothered! And who cares about that racist one-fifth of the base, anyway?

Has Pinch Sulzberger's visionary leadership so depleted the Times' resources that it can't even afford to take a decent poll? If so, should the paper still run this iffy self-generated news on the front page?

USA Today meanwhile polls 516 and gives a headline that accurately reflects the data -- Obama was damaged by Wright.

Posted by: Ace at 08:54 PM

Comments

1 Two words: Exit polls.
They will lie and cheat up until they can't , and then spend years complaining that they were robbed.
Barry was badly damaged not only by Wright but by his own amateur weaselness. next up: Ayers.

Posted by: Kerry won dammit! at May 05, 2008 08:59 PM (h/5U0)

2 Isn't that like polling any random assortment of Morons and discovering that 95% of them are untroubled by the FCC's decision that full frontal nudity during prime time family hours is fine as long as it's Scarlett Johansson?

Posted by: alexthechick at May 05, 2008 09:01 PM (uGN3f)

alexthechick -- please indicate what 5% of the moron population would be troubled by that, as they must be ostrasiced.

Er, on topic ... what was the topic? I recall SJ naked being mentioned and not much before that.

Posted by: Hermit Dave at May 05, 2008 09:06 PM (Tk5HT)

4 Alexthechick, are you saying that there are only 5% ghey morons? That right there is suspect.

Posted by: Kerry won dammit! at May 05, 2008 09:07 PM (h/5U0)

5 alexthechick -- please indicate what 5% of the moron population would be troubled by that, as they must be ostrasiced.

Well, there are some of those here who would not find that as appealing. Here, let me fix it for me - Isn't that like polling any random assortment of Morons and discovering that 100% of them are untroubled by the FCC's decision that full frontal nudity during prime time family hours is fine as long as it's Scarlett Johansson and/or Vin Diesel and/or Milla Jovovich and/or Bruce Willis?

Posted by: alexthechick at May 05, 2008 09:09 PM (uGN3f)

6 Maybe they polled more but 216 was the break even 21% margin of error that would allow them to write it with the standard NYT "well, it's true" straight face.

Posted by: Dusty at May 05, 2008 09:10 PM (GJLeQ)

7 Whoops, meant 283, not 216.

Posted by: Dusty at May 05, 2008 09:12 PM (GJLeQ)

8 Michelle needs to be badgered to repudiate Wright (I bet she's the true believer, and the one that brought them there). She's beautiful, and should be allowed to speak her mind on any and all topics, without minders, at every possible "event". I say this as a conservative. Heh

Posted by: Frank G at May 05, 2008 09:13 PM (Ydps9)

9 Gourmet dog biscuit customers are the key demographics in Indiana.

Posted by: Tushar at May 05, 2008 09:18 PM (DWXGz)

10 >>Michelle needs to be badgered

Frank G,
some words just should not be strung together. Now I must scrape my brain with a sandpaper.

Posted by: Tushar at May 05, 2008 09:20 PM (DWXGz)

11 You forget Ace, Pinch already has his mind made up. He merely sent an underling out to gather data supporting his view. The underling was no fool, went straight to his favorite latte shop to fuel up and get his "data" at the same time.

Posted by: GarandFan at May 05, 2008 09:22 PM (N4c1G)

12 alexthechick, you know Vin Diesel is teh ghey, right?

Posted by: Don Carne at May 05, 2008 09:22 PM (wSNS7)

Whilst shopping at Ye Fancy Dog Cookie Shoppe, my lady and I were approached by the fine pollster from the estimable New York Times ...

Ahhhh, fuck it, who am I kidding ... Obama can blow it out his squeakhole.

Posted by: Retired Coal Miner at May 05, 2008 09:23 PM (Tk5HT)

14 "...full frontal nudity during prime time family hours is fine as long as it's Scarlett Johansson?"

I believe the original poll was actually about Allyson Hannigan. But either would thoroughly acceptable and, indeed, strongly encouraged.

Posted by: Dave J at May 05, 2008 09:25 PM (glamO)

15 sorry Tushar, I was in a zone...

Posted by: Frank G at May 05, 2008 09:26 PM (Ydps9)

16 Not much to do with this thread, but I'm glad Ace didn't post any more Winehouse pix on the sidebar.

Posted by: someone at May 05, 2008 09:27 PM (2z2WN)

Mainstream media should be called the bucket brigade, because they'll always find a way to carry Barry's water.

Posted by: KingShamus at May 05, 2008 09:29 PM (rSqDf)

18 alexthechick, you know Vin Diesel is teh ghey, right?

For some of us, that's a feature, not a bug.

Posted by: alexthechick at May 05, 2008 09:38 PM (uGN3f)

Well, in all fairness, you can't construct a skewed meaningless poll if you include all those bitter Clampett family members, now can you?

Plus, Jethro ciphers too well and that would compound the problem.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at May 05, 2008 09:51 PM (Wbxwg)

20 >>For some of us, that's a feature, not a bug.

Alex, what use is a gay Vin Diesel to you? Now, a lesb Scarlett on the other hand.... I will be in my bunk!

Posted by: Tushar at May 05, 2008 10:00 PM (DWXGz)

21 Alex, what use is a gay Vin Diesel to you?

I really don't think you want me to answer that.

Posted by: alexthechick at May 05, 2008 10:06 PM (uGN3f)

22 Why yes, alex, I would love for you to answer that.

Posted by: John Travolta at May 05, 2008 10:08 PM (Tk5HT)

23 In my mind, alexthechick is Scarlett Johansson's doppleganger.
Only she's a lawyer and a conservative.
And... Oh God, Oh God, Oh God...
I didn't even make it to the bunk.

Posted by: Nom de Blog at May 05, 2008 10:08 PM (5/uG4)

24 Alex,
I am curious. It is one thing if Vin is bi, but what use is a gay man to a woman? You want to go to a spa with him? Or,heavens, you are up for him and his partner?

Posted by: Tushar at May 05, 2008 10:12 PM (DWXGz)

25 I am curious. It is one thing if Vin is bi, but what use is a gay man to a woman? You want to go to a spa with him?

Just like some men (okay pretty much all men) think two girls together are hot, there is a small minority of women who think two guys together are hot. I happen to be in that minority. Please, for the love of God, don't bother with the OMG EW EW EW EW EW EW EW EW EW. It's my kink, not yours, and I'm not asking any of y'all to either comprehend or even find it not icky. See, I told you that you didn't want to know.

Or,heavens, you are up for him and his partner?

Hell. Fucking. Yes.

Posted by: alexthechick at May 05, 2008 10:29 PM (uGN3f)

26 No worries. You won't get any 'ewwws' from me. I was just curious. My general impression was that women don't dig man-on-man. Apparently, I was wrong.

Posted by: Tushar at May 05, 2008 10:34 PM (DWXGz)

27 My general impression was that women don't dig man-on-man. Apparently, I was wrong.

No, no your general impression is right. It's not nearly as prevalent as the girl/girl thing is for men. But it does exist.

Posted by: alexthechick at May 05, 2008 10:37 PM (uGN3f)

28 Hmm... if the guys are hot... it could be enjoyable for women to watch.

Posted by: Tushar at May 05, 2008 10:43 PM (DWXGz)

Yikes.

Our next poll will be 283 men with colorectal difficulties...

Posted by: Pinch Diesel at May 05, 2008 10:49 PM (gjLdu)

30 Ja!

Posted by: Nurse Diesel at May 05, 2008 10:57 PM (wv0W1)

31 Posted by: Tushar at May 05, 2008 10:43 PM (DWXGz)

Mark well this date and time as Tushar takes his first tentative steps towards owning the first Gourmet Tandoori-style Dog Biscuit Store on Fire Island.

Posted by: rinseandspit at May 05, 2008 10:58 PM (S4WzI)

32 Well, it makes sense to poll Democrats about the candidates in the Democratic presidential primary.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 05, 2008 11:33 PM (3+3kx)

33 Alexthechick, my admiration for you just went up about a thousand percent!
Kinky and proud of it, way to go!

Posted by: Log Cabin at May 05, 2008 11:35 PM (j7zrD)

34 You know how I know you're gay? You write "Hmm... if the guys are hot..."

Posted by: Ted K. at May 05, 2008 11:41 PM (X8A/n)

35 Get the feeling Sulzberger just doesn't like his job?

Posted by: Topsecretk9 at May 06, 2008 12:10 AM (9+ysr)

36 Don't be dissin gourmet dog biscuts, better than McDonalds by far.

Posted by: John Galt at May 06, 2008 12:20 AM (F5RrO)

37 Alex, what use is a gay Vin Diesel to you?

Well, I suppose she could take him shopping.

_{^{And afterwards, he could do her hair.}}

Posted by: OregonMuse at May 06, 2008 12:24 AM (jyo/c)

38 Watching the NYT go down in flames is almost as much fun as watching Rev Wright talk about racial brain theories. Look for Punch's plaything to drop the entire subject real soon.

Posted by: trentk269 at May 06, 2008 01:13 AM (N421Z)

39 MeThinks we're all diggin' alexthechick "bigtime"

Posted by: Mike in Chicago at May 06, 2008 07:29 AM (/L1AV)

40 Like any other liberal news rag the NEW YORK SLIMES only supports those that are a bunch of radicals and extremists

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