1

The question that needs to be asked:

Who's going to be left at the NYT?  By that, I mean what kind of reporters will be spared the cuts to continue writing?  Will they be even more hardcore leftists than the ones who got their severance or will they be somewhat of a balanced pool?

I hope the NYT takes this into consideration.  Even so, I still won't read them.

Nyah nyah!!!

2 "...give a rigorous, management-enforced attempt at balanced, nonpartisan coverage a try..."

Not according to Time Magazine. They want the writer involved, sharing his/her expertise with the reader. After all, they are the elite of society. Someone has to lead the ignorant masses and tell them want to think and who to vote for.

3 Firing leftys and only leaving leftys accomplishes what? The NYT still fails to acknowledge their problem of bias and putting their own political agenda over reporting. How much can they loose before they are forced to sell or change?

4 I vaguely recall that there was going to be some kind of minority stockholder petition or action regarding Pinch's reign.  Does anyone know a.  what the hell I'm talking about and b.  what happened?  If I recall, it's a moot point since there's a tiered stock system and the public share class does not actually have voting control.  It's still a fascinating stockholder derivative action question, can the managing shareholders continue to take actions that are driving the company into the ground without some type of accountability to the non-controlling stockholders?  I haven't practiced in that area in years so I really don't know.  It would be fun to try.

5 EC:

I read this morning that the business and national desks were being spared, for the most part, in a desperate attempt to compete with Murdoch's forthcoming WSJ revamp.

Which will fail.

6 What about the op-ed page (the only part I read)? Are those writers safe?

7 When I saw the headline -- Bloodbath Coming -- I thought you were refering to the impending riots. Nows the time to go stock up on food and booze, NYC morons.

8        Either way this is a WIN for the Conservatives. 

Scenario1:  The NYT has nothing but radical leftists thus pushing them further down the toilet and eventually out of existence.

Scenario2:  The NYT severs it's ties with radical lefties and actually starts to COMMIT JOURNALISM.

Either way, fair reporting will come out of this, thus the actual education of voters continues and our Country rights itself.  No pun intended.

9 OK, who put up that Hobbit link in the sidebar?  Fess up.

Pan's Labyrinth was shit.  Ugh.

10 That was me.  I thought Pans Labyrinth was great fun.

11 Scenario2:  The NYT severs it's ties with radical lefties and actually starts to COMMIT JOURNALISM.

It'll never happen. Leftardism is their raison d'etre.

12 What I learned from watching 'Pan's Labyrinth':

Life, traditional religion, family = fascist torturing supervillains
Death, communism, druidic paganism = teh shit / paradise

13

Hiring Jayson Blair would be a good way to boost circulation.

A newspaper that glorifies Marxists is now crumbling at the hands of the dialectic.

It is a wonderful thing to watch.

14 Anybody know how the Washington Times is doing financially or if they've had any layoffs? I did a bit of light googling, but didn't see anything. It would make an interesting case study to see how a conservative newspaper with national aspirations is doing compared to more liberal outlets across the country.

15 I liked the fact that Pan's Labyrinth didn't have the "fantasy is so much better than reality" subtext.  The fantasy world in it was pretty grim and horrifying. 

16 The NY Times will not change because they cannot change.  They lack a sufficient level of self-awareness to even realize that they are the problem.  Instead, they will continue to rearrange the deck chairs and then try even harder to push their agenda.  "If only we can get people to SEE, then our readership will return."  In their minds, the failure arises not from what they're producing, but in the dimness of those who aren't enlightened enough to GET it.

I love the smell of schadenfreude in the morning...

17 Used to be that reading the paper in the morning with a cup of coffee was a nice ritual.  Now the paper (Tampa Trib/St. Pete Times) is so thin, with news that I already learned the previous day (thank you internet) I only skim the the headlines for something interesting to catch my eye.  Maybe 3% to 5% is worth delving into.  The rest is worthless, and reading the paper now takes all of about 10 minutes.  Add the crossword and it's maybe 20 minutes.  They are lucky the cost is only .25 cents or else they would have been shitcanned long ago, although that eventual day is approaching faster and faster.

18

Another Grim Milestone in the MSM's long march to irrelvance.

19 alexthechick,
The Business Judgment Rule probably precludes the shareholder derivative suit. That's my shortest answer.

The tiered system makes owning non-Sulzberger family shares a bad idea. Upon that revelation reaching fund managers, they sold. Thus did the Sulzberger family illustrate the churning of the American economy in which rich families become middle class within three generations.

20 Charybdis E. Scylla nails it! What's good for the upper west side is good for America. If only they could convince us of the rightness, the correctness, the goodness of their views, we could all be happy and content...and poor and less free and afraid of every other nation. But hell, ya gotta break some eggs.

21 Nom is teh Playboy.

22
someone (re #12): Totally agree with your assessment of "Pan's Labyrinth" (sorry, Slu, no offense). What a load of commie agitprop, and rather crudely executed to boot. I thought I was the only one who felt that way. Those who think the angels were on the Republican side in the Spanish Civil War need to  familiarize themselves with the history of that conflict.

I'll offer a heretical view: in light of what was coming (the Second World War) it's a good thing for the free world that Franco and his Nationalist Coalition won the Spanish Civil War. The alternative would have been a Stalinist dictatorship on the French border, which could have had catastrophic results for Europe (and, by extension, the U.S.) especially during the period September 1939-June 1941 when Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union were allies.

Franco was not a fascist. He was a Spanish-Catholic Nationalist. He used the fascists ("The Falange" party) to help him during the Civil War then packed them off to the Russian Front as members of the Division Azul for the express purpose of getting them killed.

I'm not saying that Franco was a good guy. He wasn't. But he was a Latin "caudillo" in the old mold. On a hierarchy of evil he was less evil than what would have ensued under the Stalinist dictatorship that would have ruled Spain in the event of Republican victory.

23

I generally dont like to wallow in shadenfreude over anyone losing their jobs

But in this instance, its warranted

These cocksuckers actively, aggressively, and knowingly promote failure of the US (of which I am a citizen) in all spheres: economic, cultural, military/international and social.

I have no sympathy. Screw them, to quote their champion.

24 Hate to be picky, but they're being laid off, not fired. As someone who has been described in the press as someone who had been fired when I was actually laid off, I can tell you there is a difference, and not just one of semantics.

25
OT, but I don't know where else to post this.

Today is Anzac Day. A day to remember Aussie and Kiwi valor in the First World War, and the Second World War as well.

26

Desperate times require desperate measures, and a few of these dying newspapers must, perish the thought, give a rigorous, management-enforced attempt at balanced, nonpartisan coverage a try, just to see how that might work out for them.

The funny thing is, it seems most mainstream liberals are arguing the opposite: to drop this "silly notion" of objectivity and go all-out liberal advocacy. They really believe that mainstream media is too restrained by the need to balance the liberal "truth" with conservative "fantasy."

I don�t know if toning down its ideological advocacy would help the Times� bottom line. It just may be too big to make money and needs to streamline. Like most papers, the current structure was set up in the pre-Internet days and a big restructuring was inevitable.

 

 

 

27 "Easy and glib..." Easy and glib! Hey, I'm not the site posting tubes of crooning Dutch pedophiles and then denigrating them for the cheap hits!

Seriously, thanks for the link. And you're right -- the observation is easy and glib, but it does have its merits. These layoffs won't solve the problem since, when the layoffs begin, the "protected" ones always ride out the first two or three. And the "protected" ones always know who they are. They've made a career out of getting "protected."

28
Couldn't happen to a nicer group of treasonous poison-spitting pit vipers.

29 "OT, but I don't know where else to post this.

Today is Anzac Day."

You could open blog it.  The Aussie restaurants&bars here in NYC have some stuff tonight, I think.

30 "Balance" is a myth, as is "fairness". The death of print papers is due to the lack of competition. A single, monolithic paper in every town has brought us to this point. Multiple papers, advocating for multiple constituencies kept the business fresh and gave the whole greater weight than the individuals. It's almost certainly too late to save in most instances, though.

31 Unfortunately, the only thing that daily major-market newspapers have to offer any more is the tactile pleasure of reading a hard-copy with your breakfast, or on the subway. Technology and their own idiotic liberal hubris has killed them.

32 Speaking of newspapers, I'm curious how many comparable conservative papers exist in the US with the same sort of bias attributed to the NYT, yet with the same sort of readership?

33

someone: thanks for the note and the suggestion (# 29) concerning Anzac Day. Unfortunately I don't have time today to open blog. But I'll be thinking about the Aussie and Kiwi veterans.

34 Nom, thanks, I thought it was something like that but I couldn't remember and was too lazy to look it up.  That's what distributed moronitude is for.

The tiered system makes owning non-Sulzberger family shares a bad idea. Upon that revelation reaching fund managers, they sold.

I was looking at the share decline and wondering how much of it was coming from fund dumps.  If there's no way to influence the management, why own the stock once it tanks?  If it turns around, you can always buyback low. 

35

#23, #28

Bwahahahaha....it's outplacement and job retraining for them.....if they're lucky.

I wonder why so many refused the buyout package.

 

 

36 Because the other papers are laying off and there's nowhere to go?

37 I wonder why so many refused the buyout package.

Because each of them is absolutely convinced that they are indispensable, hence they're sure that their jobs aren't in jeopardy.

38

Desperate times require desperate measures, and a few of these dying newspapers must, perish the thought, give a rigorous, management-enforced attempt at balanced, nonpartisan coverage a try, just to see how that might work out for them.

Now that's just crazy-talk.  Seriously, I don't WANT them to survive.  I want them to go tits up, and do so painfully, for all the damage they have done to this country.  I detest the media, and newspapers most of all.  I think every red-blooded American has the right and obligation to go find a journalist, and punch him in the fucking nose.  If it's a woman, be nice and just tell her how ugly she is - it's a safe bet she will be.

39

MarkD,

My probably somewhat confused point being that  "outplacement services", "job retraining", and "lifelong learning" and "skill development"  were/are supposed to be the "cure-all"  for all those manufacturing/service jobs that were lost to the developing countries.

I guess these high-falutin' journalists are too special for this though.  It would require that they actually do something.

 

</sarc>

 

40

'Cur, funny thing. In any profession w/transferrable skills, they could probably make out pretty well under the buyout. .

41 They're certainly not going to rein in the propaganda.  Instead I expect they'll double down.  As someone mentioned above, they're too blind to realize that they are biased.  Everyone in Pinch's building is voting for Obama, therefore that must be the mainstream.  Anyone who doesn't agree is out on the fringe somewhere.

This will continue until the NYT is fighting for gay escort service ads against the Village Voice.

42 " the NYT is fighting for gay escort service ads against the Village Voice."

Aren't they doing something like that in the Wedding Announcements?

43

Not according to Time Magazine. They want the writer involved, sharing his/her expertise with the reader. ~ GarandFan

This might, I say might, be okay if these urinalists had expertise in anythng other than knowing the trendy bars serving the latest "in" cocktail.  That gives them an expertise in hangovers, a subject about which I most assuredly need no help from them.  I've tried everything, but my now deceased friend had the best cure:  A hot dog.  Why a hot dog?  Because it gives you an excuse to have a beer.  Not to mention giving one that solid food base around which to build the new drinking day.

44

Used to be that reading the paper in the morning with a cup of coffee was a nice ritual.  Now the paper (Tampa Trib/St. Pete Times) is so thin, with news that I already learned the previous day (thank you internet) I only skim the the headlines for something interesting to catch my eye.  Maybe 3% to 5% is worth delving into.  The rest is worthless, and reading the paper now takes all of about 10 minutes.  Add the crossword and it's maybe 20 minutes.  They are lucky the cost is only .25 cents or else they would have been shitcanned long ago, although that eventual day is approaching faster and faster. ~ Ken

What's the Times up to now?  When I quit reading it in 2003 (with their horrible Iraqi Freedom stories, which followed up their Jayson Blair reporting scandal), it was a buck on the weekdays.  When I first moved to the City in the early '80's, the Times was a joy to read compared to the very tabloid Post, and its slightly notch above competitor, the News.  I was lucky enough to begin reading the Times while they still had Red Smith.  If you've never read him in the Sports section with your morning coffee, that's a shame.  Just like the Times is today.

And you're right about the internet.  But for me, sometimes it's three days before what I read on the 'net gets into the media.  Must be unionized fact-checkers.

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