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Obama Gets "Willie Hortoned"

The ad:

I have to say I do not for the life of me understand Allah's reaction here.

It is immaterial that the runner-up in the Republican Primary -- Mike Huckabee -- is a bleeding heart on death penalty cases. That's why many of us rejected him. What has that got to do with John McCain?

If the point is that there are a lot of people who agree with Huckabee's sta ce... well, I don't know. I'm sure there are some, as there must be. Obviously the death penalty is popular in America and particularly so in the Republican Party so... huh?

Seems like a good ad to me.

People don't vote on "issues." They vote impulses-- that is, they do not look to see what a candidate claims his precise position is on ever single issue. They look for his general impulse -- on trade, is he basicaly pro or basically anti? On taxes-- raise 'em or lower 'em? On crime and punishment -- justice first or mercy first?

I'm so tired of hearing from the left that we need a "substantive" discussion on the exact points of Obama's health care program vs. Hillary. Why? They're both fantasies anyway. Even if a health care plan were to be passed at all, it would be so changed by legislative bargaining as to look almost nothing at all like the starting presidential proposal.

As said in the Way of the Gun, "A plan is just a list of things that ain't gonna happen."

And so it is with Barack Obama. This is a powerful ad, I think, because it lets us know on what side of the justice/mercy line he's on. He's on the compassion/mercy/rehabilitation/let he who is without sin side of the divide.

That's important information. Why it's a wrong or crude to point that out is beyond me.

Posted by: Ace at 01:46 PM



Comments

1 36 people were shot and 9 died in Chicago this weekend alone. 

It's clearly a quagmire and we should pull out.

Personally, I think I'd take my chances in parts of Iraq over some neighborhoods in Chicago.

Posted by: DrewM. at April 22, 2008 01:52 PM (hlYel)

2

And so it is with Barack Obama. This is a powerful ad, I think, because it lets us know on what side of the justice/mercy line he's on. He's on the compassion/mercy/rehabilitation/let he who is without sin side of the divide.--Ace

That is propaganda to project what BHO wants others to THINK of him, not much more. Obama consistently SHOWS that he lacks "compassion", as an apology is beyond BHO in every sense, coming from him, being accepted by him. Obama is a con man pure and simple, a con man who thrives on speaking the fixed opposite game of CHANGE. Ultimately, the greatest CHANGE will amount to disillusionment as voters' false expectations are dashed.

Posted by: maverick muse at April 22, 2008 01:55 PM (1cbR0)

3 Allah doesn't like the HA commenters and wishes he were Ace???  Red meat.

Posted by: Z Ryan at April 22, 2008 01:56 PM (PDeVA)

4 There's a tendency among some conservatives to worry too much about what the other side thinks of us. I agree that it's generally not good to go over the top...this ad does not fit into that category.

Also, I found the HA comments to be interesting. Another Death Penalty debate. I'm for it, no questions asked.


Posted by: Dr. Remulak at April 22, 2008 02:01 PM (YmPwQ)

5 Ad could have used a better editor.  They misspelled "death."

Posted by: Slublog at April 22, 2008 02:01 PM (R8+nJ)

6 Hey, one of those thousands of rapists and murderers I pardoned could have been Jesus. Was I supposed to give a lethal injection to Jesus? I think not!

Posted by: Vice President Huckabee at April 22, 2008 02:05 PM (PLvLS)

7 I can already hear Obama's reply to this...

"Hey, I'm not going to be held responsible for something that happened when I was only 41 years old."

Posted by: MagicalPat at April 22, 2008 02:07 PM (l+I8k)

8 I can't believe Obama pardoned all these people!

Where is the flaming skull?!?

Posted by: Seattle Slough at April 22, 2008 02:12 PM (H5l9d)

9

OUr side is going to need plenty of dirty 527 action

The dems have about 40 mil invested in it, and the ads are going to be absolutely disgusting, appealing to the basest, most visceral emotions

They will be attacking McCains age, they will attack his military service (yes- see what ole George McGovern said today- "at least I didnt get shot down", which i guess means he thinks the 55,000 who died in Nam were "bad soldiers"), they will be showing vet funerals and bombings of our soldiers.

Fight fire with fucking fire I say

Posted by: TMF at April 22, 2008 02:13 PM (KTgUG)

10

This is kind of weak beer for an attack ad, but it makes a good case for keeping the Hucktard out of the VP slot, in a round-about kind of way.

The ad's not going to change any minds on Obama anyway ... it makes a fair point, but I'm not sure who it's targeted at.

Posted by: Hermit Dave at April 22, 2008 02:19 PM (Tk5HT)

11

The danger in this ad is that, unlike Mike DuKakis, Barka Hussein Obama can immediately distribute blame for the problemsin Chicago on the City, County, and many other State officials.

Further, BHO has an opportunity to excuse his actions by claiming that there were other reasons for his actions, and that he expected a better solution (that never materialized).

This ad might make the "New Coke" candidate look palatable.

A better choice for ad material might be the many Rezko housing renovations that went bankrupt. 

Apparently, many were in BHO's district, had BHO's involvement, and yet failed, even though $43million was invested.  The implication is that an elected official helps someone get a big pile of money, and fails to have it properly used, and fails to take care of his constituents. 

There were many people in Chicago who spent several cold weeks in buildings that were to be renovated; why?  Where did the $43million go, and who was responsible?

More importantly, why should we allow this sort of thing to happen at the national level?

Perhaps information will surface at Rezko's trial.

Posted by: Arbalest at April 22, 2008 02:29 PM (JN1ni)

12 Our side is going to need plenty of dirty 527 action

And I don't see the Republicans coming up with much. The people who could finance Republican 527s are too dispirited.

And what's the GOP agenda anyway? "We oppose those things the Democrats want to do!" Not exactly inspiring.

Posted by: V the K at April 22, 2008 02:31 PM (PLvLS)

13

S'Far as I know, McCain says he will make the Bush tax cuts permanent, will cut the corporate tax rate, and will keep capital gains low

Obama will raise all of the above, substantially

That seems to me to be an agenda of sorts

Posted by: TMF at April 22, 2008 02:53 PM (KTgUG)

14 So, where are the PA results? It's already 3 pm back east.

Posted by: Guy Ritchie's Career at April 22, 2008 02:55 PM (07I+z)

15

HEre are the PA results-

Hillary by either 9, 10 or 11

Write it down

Posted by: TMF at April 22, 2008 02:56 PM (KTgUG)

16

8 I can't believe Obama pardoned all these people!

Where is the flaming skull?!?

 

SS, I hope you aren't just that stupid. He pardoned no one. He was a state senator who voted against adding a category of crime to the list of capital crimes in Illinois.

Governer Ryan was the guy who commuted all the death penalties to life. I disagreed with that, but the fact remains that there were many instances of prosecutorial misconduct in Illinois, particularly WRT death penalty cases.

I'm all for the death penalty, but would sure as hell hate to be tried in Illinois.

Posted by: XBradTC at April 22, 2008 02:58 PM (dENcX)

17 Nobody seriously believes that the death penalty would have prevented these crimes.  It's so damn expensive to handle all the appeals, it probably means the DA has to offer far more plea bargains to several criminals for every convict executed. 

Now, Obama has fought gun rights in Chicago, and that probably has led to more crime, but that's neither here nor there.  This commercial is not going to change anyone's mind.  It is interesting to think about convincing conservatives not to vote for Obama.  Obama had that big uniter banner, but it's clear he is no longer able to wave it.

Or am I totally out of touch?  How many conservatives are going to vote for a terrorist sympathizing racist loving spineless pretty empty suit like Obama?  If I'm right, it's not Obama who will reach across the aisle, and this circumstance will lead Mccain to be as liberal as he can get away with, because they are fighting over the center-left.

Posted by: Gohuckyourself at April 22, 2008 03:05 PM (8jYMc)

18

I have picked bones w/SS in the past, but I have to say he's in the right on this one.

This ad was lame, and linking O to this is much, much weaker than linking the Huckster to pardons.

O might have been in favor of longer sentences, more police, etc.  Just because he didn't want to fry the little bastards is kind of meaningless.

Especially in Illinois, which basically has no death penalty because they fucked it up so badly before.

Posted by: Dogstar at April 22, 2008 03:07 PM (FgxdU)

19 Yeah, that was a pretty weak ad. It needed a few more votes by Obama and maybe a quote of his to really cement the fact that he's anti-death penalty (and hence weak on crime).

Posted by: Maetenloch (not a maniac) at April 22, 2008 03:11 PM (faJg0)

20

So ... who created the ad?

That's the mystery. It's purposely designed to make it appear that Republicans produced this ad. But I bet they didn't. Hillary supporters created this ad.

Hillary Clinton and her vast right wing conspiracy is using Rethuglican scare mongering tactics to fear white voters into rejecting the negro candidate.

Quite racist, really. But then again, she is from Arkansas ... where this is done all the time, so, not really surprising.

Posted by: notanobamafan at April 22, 2008 03:12 PM (Ncq2X)

21 No, contrary to what you might hear around here, I am not that stupid.

I believe my post lacked the following tags:  <sarcasm> and </sarcasm>.

Posted by: Seattle Slough at April 22, 2008 03:17 PM (H5l9d)

22 So ... who created the ad?

Follow the link to HA. It's the same guy who did the Willie Horton ad.

Posted by: DrewM. at April 22, 2008 03:18 PM (hlYel)

23 That ad was weak. If this is the best we've got, we're in trouble.

Posted by: Gabriel Malor at April 22, 2008 03:28 PM (1Ug6U)

24 Let's see...we're not allowed to touch Rev. Wright, Ayers, Rezko,or any of Obama's positions, without being called racist. Whoever put this ad out will probably be called racist, also. If we can't get over this bugaboo about Dems calling us racists, we're screwed .


Posted by: Dr. Remulak at April 22, 2008 03:50 PM (YmPwQ)

25 Allahpundit talks about "fairness." What a chump.


Posted by: Bart at April 22, 2008 04:06 PM (Ek5Xg)

26 The ad needs some picture of DEAD Bodies.  You know like the St Valentine's day shooting.  Ad looks cheap, b/w drive thru pictures of the ghetto?  Give us Dead Bodies!

Posted by: Kempermanx at April 22, 2008 04:16 PM (ANRVq)

27

Painting the Lamb of Chicago as a far-left wuss should be enough without having to lay it on this thick.

That said, Chicago as a mismanaged mess while he was a power there should be pointed out- but using real names makes it look like he was complicit instead of being a typical lefty political hack.

Posted by: jjshaka at April 22, 2008 04:31 PM (RM29y)

28

No, contrary to what you might hear around here, I am not that stupid.

Yeah I agree, he's not quite that stupid.

Posted by: polynikes at April 22, 2008 05:45 PM (m2CN7)

29

I know you pro-lifers love to put black people to death in the gas chamber or by lethal injection or what ever it is but how would putting a 17 year old gang member to death erase what he has already done? How does that protect the victim. I think what is needed is more options for urban kids such as sports in schools for instance, or even real schools for that matter. Maybe that and some jobs for their parents. I don't think the Death Penalty will help anyone in the ghetto.


I would like for you to provide me with facts as to how the death penalty has ever stopped a crime.


This is coming from someone who isn't institutionally opposed to the death penalty.

Posted by: toad734 at April 22, 2008 05:46 PM (HyG5d)

30

Obviously the death penalty is popular in America and particularly so in the Republican Party so... huh?

I would say the support for the death penalty is one of those issues that crosses party lines, considering that the support for the death penalty is in the 70% range.

When Clinton was Governor and running for President in 1992, an execution in Arkansas was coming up and Clinton left the campaign trail to head back to Little Rock to be there should he be needed.  (He wasn't, and the execution went off without a hitch).

People don't vote on "issues."

The NY Governor's race in 1994 was a one-issue race:  The death penalty.*    Cuomo was agin' it, while Pataki was a fer it.    Pataki won, and signed a death penalty bill into law.  It was the non-elected liberal State Supreme Court who overturned the statute.

*Specifically the case of Thomas Grasso.  Grasso was convicted of  murder in OK and sentenced to death.  NY then requested extradition and tried him for murder on Staten Island.  Grasso was convicted and sentenced to 25 to life.  Cuomo refused to send him back to OK for execution, wanting him to serve out his NY term first.  The first thing Pataki did as Governor was ship his @ss back to OK, one of the few good things Pataki ever did.  Why should I pay for that scumbag's room and board for 25+ years, only then to have him go back to OK to be executed?  With Cuomo, in typical liberal fashion, principles trumped cruel and unusual.

Posted by: RickZ at April 22, 2008 05:50 PM (QUOWj)

31 This is kind of weak beer for an attack ad

I wouldn't even give it a "weak beer."  More like skim milk.  Willie Horton?  Hardly.  Essentially true--that The Obamessiah™ opposes the death penalty?  Of course, but who exactly would be surprised by this?

And yeah, the spelling?  "Dealth?"  Maybe they were trying to make it look like low-budget grassroots crap, although they didn't exactly hide who made it.
Weeeeak.  Very disappointing.  I'll die laughing if the libs get pissy about this one--and I'm sure they will, since people are calling it Willie Horton. 

I don't get why Allah sounds like he thinks it's unfair at all.  Not sure what kind of ad he expects 527s to put out, but whatever.  Fuck Obama.

Posted by: Beth at April 22, 2008 06:09 PM (yqiXY)

32 I'm pro-death-penalty, but many people of faith are not.

And Bill Clinton has been for years and years.

I simply cannot see this as a clear-cut conservative issue, particularly when you're talking about executing underaged people.

Posted by: Attila Girl at April 22, 2008 06:13 PM (Hgnbj)

33 I believe my post lacked the following tags:

Oh it lacked a lot more than that.

Posted by: adamthemad at April 22, 2008 06:19 PM (kIjlp)

34

I simply cannot see this as a clear-cut conservative issue, particularly when you're talking about executing underaged people.

Uhm, the Supreme Court ruled that one has to be 18 at the time of the commission of premeditated first degree murder to be subject to the death penalty.  (Think Lee Malvo, one of the Beltway Snipers, getting a pass.)  I think the Court got it wrong, relying on some nebulous 'international standards' to make their ruling, rather than admitting some 16-year-olds are vicious killers without a lick of remorse.

Posted by: RickZ at April 22, 2008 06:23 PM (QUOWj)

35 This is an opening salvo of painting Obama soft on crime, and overall, a weakling.
The next add should show him trying to spend quality time with his waffle, and shows how he waffles on crime and the war on terror.

I thought the ad was pretty good. Not good enough for jaded morons, but good enough for the peeps in bitterland.

Posted by: Stormy70 at April 22, 2008 06:46 PM (Y+o71)

36 Eyeore is shocked and dismayed?  Maybe he thinks that the ad is "gobsmackingly vile" and maybe Eyeore should just get together with Asshat Sullivan and take turns crying and biting their pillows.  The guy lost his sack, now hes a sad sackless.  Pity.

Posted by: hbryan at April 22, 2008 07:59 PM (PE3iY)

37

"I would like for you to provide me with facts as to how the death penalty has ever stopped a crime."

Here's one, bozo. No executed person ever again committed a crime. If you want to dispute that, good luck.

I wish you had to live with/around some of these murdering bastards you want to keep breathing. It might teach you something. Then again, maybe not; you might not survive long enough.

Posted by: mac at April 22, 2008 08:36 PM (tKms7)

38 TMF #9 "They will be attacking McCains age"

Proving their own deep, intractable stupidity. 
Here's Mike McConnell's rule of thumb for voter turnout:
20% of 20-somethings show up to vote.
30% of 30-somethings show up to vote.
... etc ...
70% of 70-somethings show up to vote.
Is there a more powerful lobbying group in this country than AARP? 
Dimocraps want to piss THEM off?  Have at it, Dims!

Posted by: Stoop Davy Dave at April 22, 2008 10:08 PM (Y7vov)

39 Well, Obama supports the death penalty, except when the perpetrators are young men of color.

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