1 Yee-ha!

2

And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.

There is so much to like about this statement.  It sounds like he would like to force those hayseeds to give up their religion and give up their guns.

Also, the hatred about whites and jooooos? Well I heard enough of that from his Rev.Dr.PastorWright to last me a lifetime. 

Finally, isn't this hypocrite against NAFTA and the Colombian Free Trade Agreement. 

 

3 "Cling" is such an ugly word.  I prefer "fondle" , myself.

And, just out of curiosity, when did Pennsylvania become part of the Midwest?

4 Bitter and clingy.  Sounds like my ex-wife.

Ta-dum-bum.

5 So stereotypes are okay when he does it.  Got it.

6 And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.  And then you have self-righteous assholes like me and my wife come in and condescendingly pander to those people and talk about what a great guy I am and, in the process, offer no concrete solutions to the problems those people face but just keep on making vague promises resting on "hope"and "change"while supporting policies that promise more illegal immigrants in their community and giving them double-faced talk about NAFTA.   Meanwhile my wife, who makes a solid six-digit salary banters on about how hard it is to afford piano lessons for the kids and how America is a country she's only recently taken some pride in.  Sucks to be them.


Ok, some of that I just made up.

7 The same old shit from the guy who promises Change.

If you're against illegal immigration, homo-marriage, unConstitutional gun control, you're an ignorant racist tool of the evil corporations.

This Obama is following in the same path as Howard Dean in 2004. Hillary can swoop in and steal this nomination, I think. And steal it, she will, one way or another.

8

This is pure leftist cant -- it's all "false consciousness" stuff, all what our Corporate Masters want us to think, playing us all against each other as they line their pockets with our sweat and tears.

Guns, border security, even religion itself aren't really legitimate points of interest. Instead they're all part of the "culture of fear" indoctrinated into us by the corporate emperors really running this country.

I swear to god I've heard this before...

How sure are we all these assholes aren't really closet Scientologists?

9

Well, it'll appeal to his base of vacuous, guilt-projecting rich whites and illiterate blacks (the literate ones are voting R)

And thats about it

Please, please let him get the nomination.

10

and then the citizens of San Fran charge him with a hate crime for his intolerance...

no?

11 You can trust Obama.  Look how successful Obama has been in changing Chicago. Before Obama, it was a corrupt, graft-ridden political cesspool.  After Obama, it was a....um....wait....let me think of another example.  I'll get back to you on this matter.

12

Is Osama Obama and Hillary competing against each other to see who can implode their candidacy first?  Not that I'm complaining but DAMN!

13

What can I say?  I am loving this primary.  Go, Obama, go!

14 Mr Hopey McChange Agent sure does have a lot of issues with, you know, the voters.
Or...
As I like to call them, Americans.

15 This is how Barry and his core supporters really think.  Anyone who doesn't live in an urban center without 2 Starbucks per block is an ill-read hick and anyone who believes in God or the 2nd Amendment is an angry, frustrated potential abortion clinic bomber.  The degree of condescending pretentiousness here is staggering.

16

Reading the Politico comments is funny- either the Obamessiah's worshipers say he's right, or that it was taken out of context- or both.  Oh, and the author Ben who made very little comment is anti-Obama for quoting him.

Because you know, if only there were more jobs in small towns they'd turn in their guns, become athiests, welcome illegal immigrants with open arms, ignore the international trade debates... and stop being a bunch of racists.  Therefore Obama was right, but to quote him on it is blasphemy.

17 Far be it for me to tell the Obamessiah to do his job, but is it really the best tactic to broadly and comprehensively insult the people you want to vote for you?

As for the small town people who cling to are pro-gun, pro- religion, anti-immigration and anti-trade, well, I live in a big city and pretty much agree with all of their sentiments. So there!

18 YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!!!!!11!!1!!1111!1!!

19 YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!!!!!11!!1!!1111!1!! 

20

STOP WORSHIPING FALSE IDOLS.  STOP CLINGING TO FALSE GODS.

WORSHIP ONLY ME.

 

21 EVERYTHING HE SAYD WAS TRU!!1!1!1!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111111111!!

22 After all the dust settle from this, and everyone has a chance to reflect calmly, one thing will be crystal-clear: this benefits Mitt Romney like nobody's motherfucking business.

23 You go, Obama! Tell them slacksDickie-wearers what for! Make sure you use little words, though.

24

Dey took our JERBS!

http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/104259/?searchterm=jobs

25

Ace-

but I can't wait 'till Pennsylvanians here about this

Not to be a spelling nazi, but you might want to fix that.  I know your lack of grammar is just a byproduct of frustration brought on by a lack of economic opportunity in NYC, but you don't want to come across as one of those people now, do you?

26
Ace:  Time to make Hollowpoint squeal like a pig.

27 This is how Barry and his core supporters really think.  Anyone who doesn't live in an urban center without 2 Starbucks per block is an ill-read hick and anyone who believes in God or the 2nd Amendment is an angry, frustrated potential abortion clinic bomber.  The degree of condescending pretentiousness here is staggering.

Well said

28 When I became unemployed, I immediately reached for my gun and went to church.  All these years, I thought I was the only one.  Some people in my situation have been known to go to extremes and reach for job applications instead.  But now I know I'm not alone among the ranks of the permanently unemployed church-going gun-toters.  Thanks Obama!  You've restored my hope.

29

It's a perfect time for one of those "3AM phone call" commercials.

 

30 Boy, he shore know us Appalachian folk good.  

31 And Hillary pounces:

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/

32 Do you really think McCain sees the yokels much differently?

33 This is a better link:

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/04/11/clinton-hits-obama-over-reported-bitter-comment/

34 Bush either, for that matter.

35

 

Strip away their guns and false religion.  Take away their hatred of foreigners and force them to trade in the 21st century.

This sounds like a perfect way to run a counterinsurgency in IRAQ!!!! 

He stole that shit from Gen. Petreus and is using it against the AMERICAN PEOPLE.

 

36 Ya know, that Obama guy has a point, the white man is even keeping white men down, we need hope, change and a preacher that can tell us how to take down this God Damn America! We won't even need guns cause the revenooers will come on in and take all of the money we got from making moonshine and re-distribute it to all of us!! we will all be rich!!! those billionaires in San Fran will even kick in......What? you mean the people he was taling to about this will get to keep their money while they tell us how to live our lives? REALLY????

37 I'm pretty sure they all look at us that way.  It's just that Obama's the only one impolite stupid politically naive arrogant dumb enough to actually say it.  And that counts for something.

38 That's fuckin' brilliant, Rob Roy.

39 Can't wait to hear what he says about us in Tennessee.  After all, we are the real hillbillies. (Or is that us uns') 

40 I'm going to enjoy wathing this  a-hole get crushed in November.

41 The protective media bubble around Barry tempts him to use the old "tell each audience what they want to hear" approach.  I mean SF folks probably lapped that shit up.

42 yuns is hillbillies, sandy norris.

That's what we say on the Eastern side of the border in the great state of North Carolina. (And by "we" I mean those who live within 30 miles of the Tennessee border and not really me.)

43 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sP9OS55b4e8&e

44 Sounds like he "supports" rural America, in exactly the same way that he "supports" our troops.

Just one more group of victims.

45 "...dumb enough to actually say it. And that counts for something."

Which is why I still kinda hope he wins the Dem primary. First, it removes the Clintons (finally) and gives their political machine the black eye it so roundly deserves. Second, it advances the most Leftist option possible with the added bonus of his laundry list of inadequately vetted, offensive content to be paraded later. The only downside to all of this is that McCain might actually win.

This is both the best and worst election I could have ever imagined.

46 excuse me, there's a gun totin wetback jehovahs witness banging on my door

47

The only downside to all of this is that McCain might actually win.

Yep.  This election boils down to downsides, and downersides.

48 Do you really think McCain sees the yokels much differently? Bush either, for that matter.

I don't know about McCain, but I do know for a fact that Bush sees "the yokels" differently, based on what people who know him have told me.

49

Oh, I can't wait til our 527s get a crack at He Who Must Not Be Middle Named. She Who Flies On A Broom has bruised him even under the restrictions of having to attack from the left, and he's managed to rack up plenty of unforced errors between himself, his wife, and his 'mentors'.

Take away his teleprompter, put his back against the wall, and he starts to sound like the race-baiting, class warfare-waging, America hating fraud that he is. Hell, even with the teleprompter, he still repulses me.

50 I happen to live in rural Pennsylvania. I happen to enjoy my guns, and our church going population. They make good neighbors. I also don't believe our borders should be open to anyone who decides to swim or walk across it. Finally, I believe that Senator Obama is a racist, socialist piece of shit.

Excuse me now as I have to find the Sears & Roebucks catalog and make a  visit to the privy.

51

Vote For Me, You Corncob-Smokin', Banjo-Strokin' Chicken-Chokin' Cousin'-Pokin' Inbred Hillbilly Racist Morons

I do NOT smoke a corncob-pipe!!

And you forgot Jebus worshippin'.

52

I liked McCain's response:

McCain's campaign also criticized the comment Friday, saying "It shows an elitism and condescension towards hardworking Americans that is nothing short of breathtaking."

 

I think Obamanator can kiss PA goodbye.

53 I can't wait til our 527s get a crack at He Who Must Not Be Middle Named.

Again, I ask, what 527s? The Republicans are pretty much MIA when it comes to getting around McCain-Feingold.

54

Mr Hopey McChange Agent

Hahahahahaha!

Is that a Nom de Blog original?  That's the first I've seen that and I likee!

Mr. Goddamn Hopey McChange Agent for You Typical White People^TM

55

 - I thought it was the Dems who are against International Trade?  Oh right, they want to trade with Cuba, Syria and North Korea - it is only those evil neocons who want to work with our actual allies like Columbia.

I am becoming convinced that the American political system is way too frakked up to actually run a foreign policy.  I wouldn't want to be an ally of America - it will just turn around and stab you in the back when the Dems take Congress.

56 "It shows an elitism and condescension towards hardworking Americans that is nothing short of breathtaking.... we try to keep our elitism and condescension hidden."

57 I don't get it... "cousin-pokin" is wrong?  Huh?  Did I miss something?  I hate not being in on the joke. 

58

I wonder if my comment will make it past the CNN gatekeepers:

By golly, I sure can't wait for Obama to deliver jobs, puppies, Hope, kittens and Change to us dumb midwestern hicks. Then we can get rid of our guns, become athiests, host some illegal immigrants in our mud shacks and stop being so darned racist.

Heck, more jobs and I might even give up banjo playin' and incest! Thanks, Obamessiah!

59 That Obamer shore has got a purty mouth on him. An' I gotta say that them thar folks from Atlantee had it comin'. That's all I got to say about that. Yup.

60 Anyone want to play around of "Predict the Obama Campaign Response?"

1. Deny he said it until proof emerges, then play the race card.

2. Claim the statement was "taken out of context."

3. Face the press while holding a revolver to his head, saying "Hold it! Next man makes a move, the n-word gets it!" and backing slowly into the saloon. 

4. All of the above.

61 5. Issue a statement saying, "Dude, I was so baked at that fundraiser, I didn't know WTF I was saying."

62 6. Dangle jingling keys in front of the press corps until their cries turn into delighted giggles.

63 Worse is coming. There's a debate, IIRC, then a gap of about 3 days until the primary in PA.

Betting on Hillary to drop something nasty.

64 mommy says i can't comment anymore until I learn basic sentence structure. and quit jacking off to her honeymoon pictures.

65

OT, but Rush's Girl's supporters are picketing outside MSNBC.  Some of the signs:

"Hardball needs a tingle up its cerebral cortext!"

"My School Newspaper Beats Countdown!"

"The Media Is Swiftboating Hillary!"

... and my personal favorite:

"KeithO I Used to Think You Were Different!"

66

"Anyone want to play around of "Predict the Obama Campaign Response?"

There go the forces of division again trying to distract attention away from the real issues. Hey, some girl just fainted, give her this bottle of water.

 

 

67   April 11th, 2008 6:02 pm ET

Talk about taking something completely out of context…

Honestly, do people not understand politics? I've never heard Clinton say an honest thing. Maybe when you are around politics for a while, like I have been, you garner an appreciation for the subtleness of Obama.

The above is from the cnn link up there^^^

So now Obama is clean, articulate AND subtle. I'll be damned.

 

68

I wonder if my comment will make it past the CNN gatekeepers:

Probably not. I repeated it and paraphrased it for extra measure, but it looks like they are only allowing self-avowed Demunists. They are about 50/50 Obama vs. Hillary, which might also be managed.

69 V the K, I vote option #6.

70 Maybe this is what he really meant:

You go into these urban areas of  Pennsylvania and, like a lot of inner city hellholes in the Midwest, decent jobs are hard to find, mostly because they require a minimum level of education.  Unfortunately, most of the inhabitants are barely qualified to make change at McDonalds.  Studies show that lack of a high school diploma and teen pregnancy are surefire guarantees of prolonged poverty;  but in spite of Democrat controll  of most cities and public school administrations, nothing has improved for 25 years ...And they voted for local and state Democrats through the Clinton administration, and the Bush administration, and each successive Democrat administration has said that somehow these inner cities are gonna regenerate and they have not.

And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to pipedreams of reparations or racial paranoia or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.

71 The Huffington Post has the full audio. Listen for yourself to see if it was really taken out of context like the Obama supporters are saying.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mayhill-fowler/obama-no-surprise-that-ha_b_96188.html

72 Yes, capitano I was also struck by how much the O-man's description of the "midwest" sounded like the real symptoms of his own "community".  Nicely put.

73

One of the commenters at Politico called BHO "a glorified fortune cookie" (snicker).

74

Probably not. I repeated it and paraphrased it for extra measure, but it looks like they are only allowing self-avowed Demunists. They are about 50/50 Obama vs. Hillary, which might also be managed.

Yep.  Color me surprised.  I should've went the other way and pretended to agree in the most elitist tone I could muster.  That probably would've made it.

75 shelock --

It was probably insensitive to generalize, I'm sure there are some parents who want the kids to do better and encourage them in their studies...and the others just want to make sure the kids get in the right street gang.

76

huff has Obama on tape with those words.

 

and I saw a link to the Balitmore sun paper's story on this.

Maybe Hillary can rise from the dead once again.

 

Like the classical D&D undead; they always keep coming back.

77 I'm not sure whether to be upset.  Can I count myself among the insulted if I'm pro-trade and anti-union?  I have the guns/immigrant(illegal)/religion thing down.

Oh, and Dog Doo is an ignorant, pedantic goof.  I've had tumors removed that were more astute.

78
This thread desperately needs more Deliverance jokes.

79 What a perfect quote.  It captures the disgust the upper class liberal (no matter the color) has for poor white people.  I cannot remember who said it first, but this is more proof that when Obama is not making prepared remarks (where he is excellent), he is an lightweight.  The man is as good on his feet as Teddy Kennedy after a few drinks.

80 Hey Osama ooppps Obama:

I "cling" to my guns because I love the 2nd amendment
I "cling" to  my religion because I beleive in the word of God &  Lord Jesus Christ.
I "cling" to my Anti Illegal Immigrants because I believe in the rule of law.

I await the backlash of the people of America. Democrates, What were you thinking when you offered up this POS??????

81 Posted by: Diderot's Dog at April 11, 2008 06:49 PM (0Aj7X)

We really need to designate somebody to actually read these posts.  It's possible there could one day be something insightful in them, but I'll be damned if it'll capture my attention long enough to notice.

82 No matter what the problem, for these cocksucker Leftists like Obama the solution is always the same: jobs.

If only the muslims had jobs they wouldn't to blow up shit 'n people.
If only the rednecks had jobs they wouldn't love guns and vote for racist Republicans.

So, according to Obama, if we get rid of the Jews and employ everyone and let government distribute the wealth equally, we'll be a happy shiny land of peaceful people.

This guy is Hitler's fucking clone.

83 Well, gollleeeee, Mister Oba-ma, I jest guess no ever explained it right like that to me.  Sell the pickup, Lurleen, we'm's jinin' the people's revo-LUtion!  Now where's we go to pick up our free gummint tofu ration?

84 It's nice to see the Chardonnay Socialists are consistent throughout the world.

85

Bart,

The source of all problems is a lack of socialism. It has been proven mathematically.

 

86

Dude,

King of Prussia has a Nordstrom's, Saks Fifth Avenue, and a Cartier store.

 

Not exactly "rural." 

87 Of course Obama is wrong.  Rural Pennsylvanians loved their guns, hated foreigners and minorities and used religion as a front for their hatred loooong before the mills closed.

88

Well...at least the backwoods, inbred, illiterate, gun-toting, sister-screwing, Bible-thumping, bigoted rednecks don't bowl like total homos

89 Rosetta,
That was a Nom de Blog original.
Thanks for the positive feedback.
Woman.
jk

90

If you go to a family reunion with a pocket full of Trojans..

...you might be a Pennsylvania redneck

 

Barry Obami

91 Hey -- we have Armani Exchange and a Tiffany's, too!

You rural losers can stay on the Court-side of the mall -- SEARS is having a sale on dishwasher-safe suits.

92 ^
yeah, mathematically, just like global warming models


Question: How does talk about tax hikes resonate postively with anybody who pays taxes? What fuckwit would want to give the government more of their paycheck? Even if I were a Democrat I wouldn't be using tax increases as campaign promise.

93 Of course, jobless Philadelphians really love their guns. Practically everyone in the Badlands has two or three. The religion comes in when you're praying to God your kids can make it home on SEPTA without assaulting or being assaulted.

94 I did not view what you said about "KP" as an attack in any way, shape or form.

That view is hypersensitive and silly too.

95
We really need to designate somebody to actually read these posts.

Well, don't look at me. I'm not volunteering. The idiot has no idea how unreadable his posts are and I'm not sure we should tell him.

96

That was a Nom de Blog original.  Thanks for the positive feedback.  Woman.

It's man-lesbian, jackass.

I look forward to working on a McChimpyBushitlerBurtonDieboldChickenhawk for Obama.

Mr. HopeyGoddamnAmericaMcChangeAgentYouTypicalWhitePeopleRezcoLover^TM

 

 

97

 that just don't play so well in King of Prussia or Beaverton

Ace, what do you have against KofP? You mall hater! I don't think it counts as a small town when the mall is as big as some towns.

V the K, he'll claim he's sleep deprived because Hillary is so tired that she's not answering the 3am phone calls so he has to pick up. And the media will nod wisely. (Except for Jack Tapper, who will be sniffing for smoke.)

 

98 Ace,
You don't have to 'wonder' at what upper-west side Lefties say amongst themselves.
You've read their blogs, and thats what they say. Just talk like that around some peeps on the upper-west side and you're in.

Just record some of it for us.

99 Shouldn't the Flamin' Skull have a corn cob pipe?

100

Can I ask a question? Are people in small towns in PA really still sitting around moaning about the steel mills closing down? Or is this like Michelle Obama going to colleges and assuming things are exactly the same as when she was in college?

 

101 How stupid does Allah think we are? The obvious question is......if Ms. Powers was never involved in such events then how does she know? Of course she does exactly the same thing, that's how she knows they talk amongst themselves.

102  
If you let your 12 y/o daughter smoke at the dinner table in front of her kids . . .

. . .  you may be from Pennsylvania.

Babby Obami

103

During the last month here in philly, there have been 3 subway beatings on either whites or asians- one resulting in a death

The perpetrators?

Drumroll......gangs of black teenage girls

But hey, if I get nervous im just a typical white racist asshole

 

104

HIllarys pumpin out the ads here in Philly

All the same diarreah

"Hillary will create jobs (show a bunch of idiots in a factory), give us health care (show a bunch of idiots in a drs office) and fix the mess our countrys in"

Do they think your that stupid America? Yes they do. The scary thing is- they're mostly right.

By the way- is it smart for someone in an important government position to run around campaigning that the countrys a "mess"? Wouldnt that important govt official have like, at least a tiny, teeeeensy bit of responsibility for said mess, if one were to exist?

Naaaaah. Not in dumbfuckHowieDean land. ARRRRGHHHHGHGHGH!!

105

"they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them"

 

I know a small town in North-Central PA: Renovo, and believe me, the gun thing and the religion thing and the antipathy thing go all the way back to the '50s.

It was a rail road town, with a huge rail complex and maintainence buildings. It was the crew switch point on the Philadelphia to Buffalo run.

 

 

106 Obama just destroyed any chance he EVER had of standing a chance in PA, in April or November.  This will destroy him in PA.

107 I know a small town in North-Central PA: Renovo, and believe me, the gun thing and the religion thing and the antipathy thing go all the way back to the '50s.

Heh, I've been to Renovo a few times.

108 That Blazing Saddles clip is PRICELESS, Ace.

109

Is this where I can get me a huntin' license?

110

The really, really great thing about this fuckup? He said it about Northern rednecks, not Southern ones.

Had he said "blah blah blah, small towns in Mississippi, blah blah blah" it would have sailed by without a hitch, a la Dean's "Gods, gays, guns" moment in 2004.

But said about Ohio/Penn? That shit will even get Russert stirred up.

111

Damn. I live so far in the country I have to drive 22 miles just to get to a small town. But I got my guns to keep me warm and God as Shotgun in my pickup.

#25, whatz wrong with here!!!!

What is this obama thingy...

 

112 Somebody should tell Barry this river don't go to Aintry, or the White House _{(feeble Deliverance reference for GRC)}.

Is it just me, or does it seem like Barry and Our Girl Hillary think they're in a time warp world where every word they say isn't going to be plastered all over the Internet before they get to their next speech?

The Gaffe of the Day^TM is pretty entertaining though. Almost enough to lull you into thinking that neither of these dumbass hardcore socialists has a snowball's chance in hell of winning. Almost.

113 I never thought I'd see the day when someone out-condescended the Village Matron.

114 Obama raises funds.

115 You know, outside of the condescension toward rural Pennsylvania, it shouldn't be passed over that he said:

People get bitter and cling to "anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations"

I'm for NAFTA, but given how big a deal this has been in the Democratic Party lately and given his lambasting of the Clintons over it--maybe he'd want to elaborate a little on that statement.

116 Who does this benefit (har-har)?  We should be saying Juan but instead we're saying Shillary.  We could and should have put her down in Texas.

Anyone else remember that Slushop of Hillary in her Coffin?  What's next, Clintonstein rising from the grave?

117 And it's not surprising then they get bitter¹, they cling to guns² or religion³ or antipathy to people who aren't like them⁴ or anti-immigrant sentiment⁵ or anti-trade sentiment⁶ as a way to explain their frustrations.

¹ Reverend Wright...?
² The Crips/Bloods/Black Panthers, or some other criminals...?
³ Reverend Wright...?
⁴ Reverend Wright...?
⁵ Shouldn't the unemployed hicks resent the illegal aliens taking their jobs and depressing wages?  Or is Obimbo not 'feeling THEIR pain?'
⁶ Labor unions...?

(Isn't this the guy who was assuring us what a spiritual Christian he was a few weeks ago who is now telling us religion is the opiate of the masses?)

118 I hail from NE PA and yes we can be a little backward at times but at heart we are hard working, God fearing decent people.  What we don't like are illegals and drug dealers turning our once quiet town into a cesspool of crime and welfare dependents.  You can't walk down the street day or night anymore, sit on your porch and pass the time with your neighbors for fear of being robbed or shot.  Until the government cleans up the mess they made I will keep my guns (loaded), my God and my patriotism and you Mr. Obama can go straight to hell.

119

Guilty whites and dumb blacks

Quite the constituency

120 Obama is an arrogant, self-absorbed, socialist bigoted carpet-chewing muppet with shit for brains. And anyone who votes for him is a pathetic moron.

Though now that you mention it, I have four cousins who are SMOKING hot. Maybe this yokel thing has something to be said for it.

121
jesus with a gun
now I see America
I am tolerance

122

Question: How does talk about tax hikes resonate postively with anybody who pays taxes? What fuckwit would want to give the government more of their paycheck? Even if I were a Democrat I wouldn't be using tax increases as campaign promise.

Who pays income taxes any more, sucker?  We've clipped about 40% of the adult population from the rolls, leaving the rest of us to haul their lazy useless asses from subsidized port to subidized port.  And they're still bitching about some mythical "tax cuts for the rich" because, uh, um, der, apparently they "deserve" a larger "earned" income tax credit.

You think they're talking to you when they brag about how much more money they're going to steal (or couch the "stealing" bit in laughably transparent euphemisms that only fool, well, your typical American voter)?  Guess again.  They're talking over you, to the self-entitled dregs that make up one of their core constituencies.  And their numbers are growing faster than ours.

123

Shouldn't the Flamin' Skull have a corn cob pipe?

Now that would ROCK!!

124 All yah pathic white redneck Christian asshxxes better vote Barry or you're racists...

125

if you're offended, you need change and hope, you racist xenophobic Jeebus-and-gun-loving asshole, but in a good way, and if you ignore the distractions, you can be saved

 

/message of hope, goodness, change, and smackdown to redneck assholes in PA

126 Zombie did a nice photo-essay of Obama's visit to "Billionaire's Row" in San Francisco.

127 Ya know, I was just talking to some of my toothless, cousin-slamming neighbors the other day (in PA, obviously), and we were having a heart to heart about our personal frustrations. Mine's that I can't talk my case worker and that cute skinny dude that looks like a chick down at the volunteer firehall into a threeway, but he summed his up by saying:

"I'm antee-trade. That's the senteement that's a-got me all frusteratered."

BHO is now well-done toast in PA. Toast with a little panda bear face burned into the side. The Alabama section of PA won't touch him with a 10 foot pole. Western PA is Hillary country. Now Philly, that reeking hole of a 'burg (and I lived there for, oh, four years or so), who knows? They're fracking insane down there.

128 "Why it's almost as if you have one way of speaking among the progressive elite and another language entirely for the rubes you'd presume to govern."

Kinda like the heads of most Middle Eastern governments - one message in English for the morons in the western media to accept and pass on, and another message in Arabic for the locals to keep them in line.

129

The way I see it is that every time Obama opens his mouth, he will risk taking his own campaign down.  Every word betrays his carefully crafted utopian idealistic image.  He no longer can speak to a hyped up dream of "hope in the savior" with him as the savior.  Reality is starting to invade his campaign.

To which I say - more reality!

So, keep him yakking - keep pressing for reality. Insist on specifics of his plans rather than his glittering generality goo, point out his wacko relationships, challenge him in any way that forces him to open his mouth, then watch him self-destruct as the real Obama and real unstated agenda  is revealed.

130 Fuck Prince Barry, Kirsten Powers, San Francisco, Axelrod, and all those asshole libs and their sooper-seekrit "oh look at the stupid retard hicks" talk.

I'm starting to be thankful we're having such an agonizingly long campaign season, because it gives more time for Prince Barry to slip up and show his true colors.  Oh, sorry--can't say "colors," that's a racist word now.

I don't even like Pennsylvania (hey, my ex is from there), and this shit just sets my hair on fire.

131 sets my hair on fire  like the flaming skull, that is.

132 You forgot:  Shotgun Totin'

133 But while I take his point, I still am hellacurious as to what other things liberals might say that sound "totally normal" to them but doesn't play outside of Upper West Side dinner parties and Georgetown fundraisers and San Fransisco salons.

9/11, for one. I hear things from professors in my university classes that would cause extinction-level blogswarms if they were ever recorded in audio format and released.

It actually makes me feel kind of bad for Ward Churchill. There's no reason he should have been singled out when his views are so close to mainstream among academics.

My thoughts on the <a href="http://commentghost.blogspot.com/2008/04/ooo-now-its-on.html">OT</a>. We quaker staters just can't win.

134 43http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sP9OS55b4e8&e

Urthshu--that was PERFECT!  God, I hope Jackie and Dunlap take on this one.  hahahaha

135 Ooops. HTML is subconscious now.

136 The Alabama section of PA won't touch him with a 10 foot pole.

Ahem.  Alabama will stick up for fellow "hicks" in PA during this episode, but do not desecrate the Great State of Alabama by metaphorically placing it anywhere north of the Mason-Dixon Line, please. 

Thanks!  ;-P

_{/prays to Jesus for more guns to scare away latte liberals and strange "brown people" - yeehaw}

137 "Yep.  This election boils down to downsides, and downersides."

also known as the evil of two lessers.

138 Ace, you don't have to be curious about what liberals say in private to each other, because you've heard it all before. One of the biggest problems with liberals, and the reason why I personally dislike them so much, is because they're so arrogant they think everyone in the room must agree with them and therefore they make no attempt to suppress their offensively stupid talking points.

I will offer five typical liberal memes that everyone in this forum has heard:

1. Americans only join the military because they don't have any other professional opportunities stateside;
2. Bush invaded Iraq at the behest of Israel and the "Neocons" (i.e., Jews);
3. The Israeli security fence was built to forcibly dispossess Palestinians of their land;
4. Terrorists attacked the US on 9/11 because America has allied itself with the terrorist state of Israel; and
4. Why shouldn't Iran get the Bomb? We've got one.

Anyone else can add to the list if they want. I recommend it. It's kind of cathartic.

139 #86 -- Well,actually, Alec, you have the signs.  How Buck managed to sneak them through the Port Authority Bus Terminal takes a power o' thinking on.

140 Well, golllllllee, Mr. O-Bama, ain't no one never 'splained it to me like that before.  OK, Lurleen, sell off the pickup, we's off to jine the prolet-TARIAN revolution.  Where's my free gummint tofu ration?

141 Anyone else can add to the list if they want. I recommend it. It's kind of cathartic.

#6.  Fuck the South.

#7.  Stuff White People Like.  (Libs think it's offensive, but it's dead-on funny.)

Those two together ARE Prince Barry O'Bama.

142 If this guy gets in, America is done. Turn out the lights, finished. And you know what? We will deserve our fate.

143 But while I take his point, I still am hellacurious as to what other things liberals might say that sound "totally normal" to them but doesn't play outside of Upper West Side dinner parties and Georgetown fundraisers and San Fransisco salons.

Call David Mamet?  Bet he could whip up an interesting, low-budget talker; although, I Wonder if he could even get a script considered now that he's joined the Dark Side.

144 And you know what? We will deserve our fate.

No way.  The fucking assholes who vote for him will deserve it.  Not me. 

_{/teeters closer to full-blown Obama Derangement Syndrome}

145 I thought he didn't need to do any more fundraising with all the small donations pouring in, not to mention Soros, Brock and Begala's $40 million attack on John McCain.  Maybe, instead of speaking, he should just walk across the Bay.

146 Pennsylvania might be Baracky's last whistle stop.  This  might be the  end-of-the-line campaign gaffe.

147 Ace. This was recored at the bundlers meeting on billionaire's row in SF.

Obama had at least one traitor among the bunch.

Who could it be?

148 Barack's new bumper sticker:

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149 What is more astonishing about His Words...that He woul actually speak them?  That He might believe them?  Or that He is so blinded by something He could not see how insulting and ignorant they are, special emphasis on the last syllable of ignorant.

150 Liberals are not happy when people take responsibility for themselves - concealed carry, or have faith in other institutions - religion. They are populists that want the people to be completely dependent on the government!

151 TO: Ace
RE: Ya Left Out....

....bible-thumpin'.

Regards,

Chuck(le)

152

>>liberal spinner Kirsten Powers admits that there are some things that liberals say to each other when "among friends" that just don't play so well in Wilkes-Barre or Beaverton.

what is the analog to this on the Right? Sure, there are plenty of accusations from liberals that the pro-life position is *really* about controlling women, or opposition to universal health care is *really* about mean-spiritedness, etc. Just read Amanda Marcotte's site for a catalog of the real reasons why a conservative takes the positions he does. But this is just paranoid musings on their part.

Has a conservative ever confirmed the liberals' suspicions in a way that KP has confirmed our suspicions? I don't think I've ever heard anyone say "that whole anti-illegal immigration thing? yea, it's really about racism." Is message control really that much better on the Right?

153

Okay... your headline is the funniest thing I've read in the entire primary season.  Forget all the hours of MSM dissecting his inane comments -- one need only read your headline to get to the heart of the problem.  Obama's been caught, once again, tailoring his comments to his audience (that time was a uber-tony Marin County fundraiser), and no one has called him on it (well, we've all called him on it but the media ignored it.)  He has made a habit of trashing one group, while pandering to another.  He's like that friend from high school that is always talking smack about your other friends when they leave the table, until you wonder what he says about you when you get up to get another milk.   Yeah, like that.

154 It's the same kind of talk that anti-Semites keep amongst themselves, usually.

155 Obama made his comments from deep within the bowels of the nicest mansion on the wealthiest city block in the world.  See here.  If Marie Antoinette were alive, the Getty mansion is one of the few places in the whole US where she might feel comfortable.  It looks like a giant cake.  I think obama may have been channeling her.

156 From ZardozZ News and Satire...

"Why poor voters in rural America still cling to the Democrat party when it’s clear there interests lie helping inner city poor is astounding. So exactly what did come out of Barack H. Obama’s gilded mouth this week? Could it have been a Freudian Rev. Wright subliminal slip?? Why the remark about gun ownership as though owning a gun somehow makes one less intelligent or under-privileged or just not in the mainstream? What has “holding on to guns” have to do with being poor? Sounds like that old “red neck” racist stereotype to me rearing its ugly head! "

157

Do you aspire to join the wealthy elite so you too can hob nob on billionaires' row? Here's an idea, put "Vote For Obama, You Corncob-Smokin', Banjo-Strokin' Chicken-Chokin', Cousin-Pokin' Inbred Hillbilly Racist Morons" on a t-shirt. You'll make millions. I'll take a dozen.

You're a genius!

158 100

Can I ask a question? Are people in small towns in PA really still sitting around moaning about the steel mills closing down? Or is this like Michelle Obama going to colleges and assuming things are exactly the same as when she was in college?

Posted by: MamaAJ at April 11, 2008 08:29 PM (X6Zdh)

 

No, those people either have died, found other jobs or moved. My Dad worked in a steel mill for 25 years. When it finally closed, he was relieved. The place was killing him. Steel mills are (were) dangerous, dirty, crappy places to work. There seems to be this romantic illusion about steel mills. They were NOT good places to work. I know my Dad doesn't miss it at all.

159

A coupla things:

Post# 136, The "Alabama section" to which that post was most likely referring to James Carvilles infamous quote about Pennsylvania: Pennsylvania is Philadelphia on one side, Pittsburgh on the other with Alabama in between. It's also occasionally referred to as "Pennsyltucky". Yes, they're honest to god rednecks, being at the extreme north end of the Appalachian settlement of the Scots Irish in America. (They also settled in an isolated area of New Hampshire). You may notice that all of the states through which they settled form the backbone of the modern conservative movement. This isn't a coincidence, as the Scots-Irish had/have an almost viseceral hatred for Authority. They really, REALLY don't like being told what to do.

Ace: Replacing KofP with Wilkesbarre is really more of a lateral move -WB has a population of almost 50K, and along with it's neighbor Scranton, form an isolated island of Democrat Blue, in a sea of Republican Red. Not surprisingly, the WB/Scranton area is about the largest Metropolitan area in Northeast PA(and serves as the backdrop for The Office), Perhaps switching the reference to Honesdale, Wayne County's seat of government, with a population of 5K?

And oh, KofP mall is indeed High end - They've even got valet parking, and lemme tell ya, the whole place reeks of money, but here's an interesting factoid: KofP also has one of the biggest gunshows in the state: the Valley Forge show, at Valley Forge convention center in KofP.

160

Obama To Rural Pennsylvanians: Vote For Me, You Corncob-Smokin', Banjo-Strokin' Chicken-Chokin' Cousin-Pokin' Inbred Hillbilly Racist Morons

This quote is all over the internet.    It's no wonder you are number 1 Ace.

161 Very few Deliverance jokes. Y'all need to try harder.

Not even "you got a purty mouth" conidering how silver--toungued he tries to be.

162

Entropy @ 8: “How sure are we all these assholes aren't really closet Scientologists?’

 

You can never be 100% sure on such things. That’s why VP Cheney came up with the “1% Solution” as journalist/author Ron Suskind labeled it, under which if there’s even a 1% chance of some entity attacking America, then the executive branch is not just entitled but has a mandate to  take it out preemptively. So the question reduces to which group to take out “just in case”: Scientologists or Democrats? I suspect some here might wish to suggest “Democrats”, but the nagging reality is that the only evidence of Scientologists gaining access to the White House & preferred status with any American administration is Scooter Libby’s hosting of a meeting in 2003 with Tom Cruise & spouse, on the subject of Cruise’s wishing the Bush administration to go public with a policy statement in support of promoting the spread of Scientology generally & in Germany in particular [Tragically for the movement, at the time of the meeting Libby was suffering from a rare case of Asian bear STD which apparently led him to imagine he was being instructed to out a covert CIA agent.]. That would suggest a wiser course would be a pre-emptive strike on Republicans, but this being an election year such a course seems less likely.

 

TMF @ 9: “Please, please let him get the nomination.”

 

I just happened to intercept a text message from your fairy godmother, and guess what? Your wish is going to be granted.

 

Hugh Hewitt @ 22: “this benefits Mitt Romney like nobody's motherfucking business”

 

I expect he’d agree but not in the precisely the same language; although I suspect he’d be far morely likely to put his money on Senator McFeeble’s age.

 

V the Kat @ 32: “Do you really think McCain sees the yokels much differently?”

 

Sssshhhh….

 

Rob Roy @ 35: “He stole that shit from Gen. Petreus and is using it against the AMERICAN PEOPLE.”

 

Apparently the Surge is working. [And its “Petraeus”, as in delay-us, not Petreus, as in seduce.]

 

Ntac @ 40: “I'm going to enjoy wathing this a-hole get crushed in November.”

 

You plan to wait til November for enjoyment? Wath [sic] out you don’t mith out on all that.

 

AnonymousDrivel @ 45: “The only downside to all of this is that McCain might actually win.”

 

I have some good news...

 

Stace @ 48: “I do know for a fact that Bush sees "the yokels" differently, based on what people who know him have told me.”

 

Hearsay doesn’t entitle anyone to “know for a fact” anything, but since he clearly sees them as IED fodder I can’t argue there isn’t any evidence that supports your source.

 

mpur @ 52: “I think Obamanator can kiss PA goodbye”.

 

Well now, based on polls taken in PA 3 days after the reports came out on his remarks in SF, it appears that either electricity hasn’t reached rural Pennsylvannia, or Obama is mpurvious.

 

V the K @ 60: You left out “none of the above”. Over the course of at least 3 public appearances since, he has consistently apologized for his “poor”, “clumsy” & “badly put” wording, but is sticking to his gums that he meant what he said, only not that way. [I haven’t lost it; he did. Apparently the guy’s as human & fallible as he admits to being.}

 

Urthshu @ 63: “Betting on Hillary to drop something nasty.”

 

Like her candidacy? To paraphrase James Coburn in The Magnificent Seven: You lose.

 

NG @ 72: “The Huffington Post has the full audio. Listen for yourself to see if it was really taken out of context like the Obama supporters are saying.”

 

Actually, they are not saying any such thing.

 

The Sidewalk @ 77: “Oh, and Dog Doo is an ignorant, pedantic goof.  I've had tumors removed that were more astute.”

 

Too droll - but as you seem to be one of those ‘misunderstood’ types, I’ll just piss on you.

 

The Commissar @ 85: “Bart, The source of all problems is a lack of socialism. It has been proven mathematically.”

 

Commi, I have a feeling Bart’s problems run a bit deeper than political philosophy could explain.

 

Cuffy Meigs: “That Blazing Saddles clip is PRICELESS, Ace.”

 

Indeed – although it may be worth noting the black fellah played the best educated, most sophisticated, most diplomatic, most resourceful, shrewdest & smartest character in the movie [as born out in the hostage taking scene], was made the highest ranking law officer in the jurisdiction, and besides being the snappiest dresser, he possessed a gift so special, the saloon songstress from Saxony played by Madeline Kahn, after asking: “Is it twue what dey all say about you people?” later exclaimed this from the dark: “It’s twue! It’s twue!” – which for the benefit of the culturally depraved who missed this second ranked masterpiece of Mel Brooks’ directorial career, is apolitical equivalent of Oprah’s “He’s the one.”

 

TMF @ 119: “Guilty whites and dumb blacks. Quite the constituency”

 

Well, at least none of them guilty & blacks post here.

Mr. frakypants @ 127: “Now Philly, that reeking hole of a 'burg (and I lived there for, oh, four years or so), who knows? They're fracking insane down there.”

 

It’s all too rare that one sees a point so effectively illustrated. Also, I can accept fraky or fracky, but not both in one comment. You might consider an adult extension night course in rude-sounding proxy cuss words spelling.

 

Beth @ 134: “I hope Jackie and Dunlap take on this one”

 

You do realize Jackie & Dunlap are mocking y’all from the same world view as Colbert…right?

 

My, but I do love listening to them two good ol’ boys. Almost makes you feel Fred Thompson should of known if he’d hung in a bit longer Jackie would have got him a sainthood or something.

 

 

ajmalkov @ 138: That’s word for word from the “Official Liberal Memes” codebook, but if you paid anything for it you were ripped off, since it’s been replaced. The new one is called the “Official Progressive Memes” codebook, and includes replacement entries including:

 

Americans who join the military look forward to being blown up in Iraq, committing suicide after two rotations there, and those that come back alive get warehoused or abandoned by the Bush administration.Bush invaded Iraq out of vanity & hubris, but mostly because he’s such an ignoramus he didn’t know the Brits set up Iraq as ungovernable by other than genocidal tyrants.

 

[Thousands of American Middle East experts & analysts, including for example William Polk who has advised US administrations all the way back to Eisenhower, & millions to hundreds of millions of non-xenophobic rational thinkers, like Obama for example – hell I could have told you – knew all about the 1200 year old unresolved bad blood between the Shia & Sunni sects, and the entirely separatist ambitions of the northern Kurds. There was no mystery or secret in those dynamics.

 

But there was this one Republican senator with the brain of a small pea who in the early 1990s fell right off the turnip truck into the bullshit being peddled around Washington by an Iraqi con artist named Chalabi who introduced his new best buddy to Scaife & his band of merry Koolaid drinkers at the American Heritage Institute, figuring it was his ticket to the White House, which maybe it could have been but for the fact that someone even more ignorant & gullible than him his the nomination & best buddy away from him – maybe you’ve heard of the moron: fellah named McCain.]

 

The Israeli security fence was built to foist Israel’s Palestinian refugee problem on to Egypt.

 

Terrorists attacked the US on 9/11 because the leaders of al Qaeda wanted to provoke the US into attacking Islam, ideally in Saudi Arabia & Egypt, where the leaders & all the members of the 9/11 suicide teams were from, & Afghanistan, where bin Laden believed his muhajadeen could take down the US the way they took down Russia, from which attacked he expected to be able to bring all the world’s Muslims to kick the US out of the Middle East & deprive it of the oil needed to return, & leave Sunni Salafist Arabs to set up their very own version of the Ottoman Empire.

 

Things didn’t worked out quite to plan, but then they couldn’t have guessed how dumb the Bush administration would turn out to be, & now they figure with the American imperial army destroying itself in Iraq & the American economy falling apart, things worked out pretty well for them.

 

Why should we believe Iran is pursuing the Bomb? Even the Bush administration’s own intelligence community doesn’t.

 

There’s more, actually a lot more - but then we’re so arrogant we don’t expect you’d agree with any of the few parts you might understood. As you suggest: anyone is free to add to the list - but I’d be wary of adding points that betray precisely how irretrievably ignorant a dipshit you in fact are ....

 

Beth @ 141: … of which these two are particularly fortuitous examples…

 

Sam @ 142: …whereas in contrast this one is quite apt:

 

“If this guy gets in, America is done. Turn out the lights, finished. And you know what? We will deserve our fate.”

 

You know, Sam, you really ought to consider voting Democrat, because this is word-for-word the mantra the most liberal progressive Democrats to be found lurking at the Daily Kos drone on about in post-after-post, and certainly no less now since President Bush admitted on Friday that he ordered all the war crimes.

 

Now, someone like Beth might say: Hey Dogshit-for-brains, Sam means Obama. And you wanna know my reply? Sam could not possibly be that stupid.

 

Beth @ 144: “The fucking assholes who vote for him will deserve it.  Not me”

 

Big labor force deficit in Canada, Beth.

 

M. Simon @ 147: “This was recored at the bundlers meeting on billionaire's row in SF. Obama had at least one traitor among the bunch. Who could it be?”

 

You might have to take a seasickness pill first, but if you really want to know, the answer is over at Huffington Post. According to that, the lady in question has voted both Republican & Democrat depending on her view of the merits of the candidate, has already hit the max in her contributions to the Obama Campaign, had full access to his essentially open-access campaign, felt what Obama said in SF was “off” & wanted others to know, has neither be blamed by nor banned from Obama events, and despite all that hostility, still plans to vote Obama, and donate to the Obama Campaign to the max in the election phase.

 

It seems she felt Obama would like to know how she felt, & apparently she was right.

 

By the way, you missed a “d” in “recorded”. No criticism intended; I make more than enough of those sorts of errors myself.

 

Conservative247 @ 150: “Liberals are not happy when people take responsibility for themselves - concealed carry, or have faith in other institutions - religion. They are populists that want the people to be completely dependent on the government!”

 

Well, that could well be true of some Liberals, even many Liberals, & in my opinion is far from the mark with Clinton Liberals. But the thing is, if you watch the clips on Obama taking questions from members of his audience, you’ll get to see that he’s continually warning them not to expect him to deliver pie in the sky & a chicken in every pot & make ‘everything’ a priority, because as he keeps saying you can’t expect to finish anything if you start everything.

 

And that from the candidate reputed to have the “single most liberal voting record” in the Senate. So I’m thinking either the folks who put together the ranking have their heads up their asses, or you, Con247, are clinging desperately to a stereotype, and an outdated one to boot.

 

Hey Con: Do you see the humor in your having posted the kind of broad, sweeping stereotype you posted in your comment to a post that’s about holding Obama’s feet to the fire for responding to questions by using broad, sweeping stereotypes? Do you? It’s called “irony”; look it up.

 

Assetmgmt @ 152: “Has a conservative ever confirmed the liberals' suspicions in a way that KP has confirmed our suspicions? I don't think I've ever heard anyone say "that whole anti-illegal immigration thing? yea, it's really about racism." Is message control really that much better on the Right?”

 

Ooo, let me answer: Yes; & think harder because its hard to believe any adult who can both read & write missed all of them; & clearly you just don’t get it.

 

You don’t think just the thread to this post doesn’t confirm the worst “suspicions” of every liberal back to Adlai Stevenson? Only when they are stated as baldly as they are on the top Spade’s website, I think it’s fair to say we’ve traveled a good distance past “suspicions”.  

 

Liberal & progressive Democrats don’t believe exercising in “message control”, so if you think that the fact that reactionaries such as yourself are doing “much better” in the regard, well, think again because no one on the other side is trying.

 

HTRN @ 159: John Stewart pointed out some of the same things on The Daily Show, as did Chris Mathews, who calls himself a “native Pennsylvanian”, but in my opinion neither of them put it as clearly & convincingly as in your post.

Your excellent summary also stands as an invitation to explain why Ace missed his place on this post, as have so many of his blind followers, and why the media frenzy is so comically off target. The simple fact is that Obama said what he said in response to a question from one of the attendees from San Francisco’s Billionaires Row who was blithely unfamiliar with why Obama was telling them he has never counted on being able to close the gap in Pennsylvania completely & they were off their gold-inlaid rockers if they expected him to. As you HTRN have put far less clumsily & way more clearly than Obama, the candidate is only too familiar with the realities of Pennsyltucky as described by Carville & many others, and that his supporters there are basically 3 pullets & a duck, & he wasn’t altogether sure about the duck’s loyalties.

 

All of Obama’s support in the state comes from Pittsburgh & Philly & a few lesser urban centers, and I can assure, none of those folks have anything critical at all to say about Obama’s choice of words in describing the backwoods of their state. If anything, they’ll be inclined to appreciate that he took the trouble to find out the “truth” to which they themselves have subscribed for decades.

 

You want a bigger laugh? The folks in that redneck of backwoods America might be so stunned to have their forgotten corner of the land even recognized as still in the Union, this kerfuffle may actually INCREASE his overall total vote statewide.

Finally, on a personal note, I've been out of town the last few days happily engaged in chasing small white balls all over the Oregon coastline, and haven't resorted to the HomeLand desktop until today - & I note that a certain extremely tall young relation of mine appears to have taken advantage of my absence to conduct a little experiment on your community, in the guise of his favorite cereal. I apologize for that & hope y'all accept that since I've not shown any reticence about wearing my bleeding heart on my sleeve, I was "not myself" in any of those posts, in any sense of the phrase. Dogs don't give a shit what you wear or what you say, as long as you take them out for a walk or a ride, & I know quite a few here have been trying to take me for the latter.

   

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