1

Gah! It's always Lakeland, Florida. The weird creepy shit comes out of there. Huh, wasn't wiserbud from there originally? Well no matter, the whole thing is really fucked up.

A beatdown ok, but what's wrong is it's six of them to one. That's bullshit.

2 I worked in Lakeland for a bit in the late 80s. It made Milwaukee seem like a Mensa camp. People living in the swamps for generations. The state was a basically a prison colony once, right?

3 these skanks need to get on the losing end of a beatdown. I can only imagine the horrors they'll visit on their litters when they reproduce

4

Berreta's out of the pokey?

5

Looks like someone called someone a whore.  Isn't that always how these things start with high school girls?

The most bothersome thing about this, to me, isn't that it was posted on YouTube.  It's that the victim was essentially held hostage while a gang of girls beat on her.

Fights are one thing - nasty and unlady-like when women are involved, to be sure, but this?  This is utterly without honor.  And a hell of a lot more dangerous. Two people knocking each other around tend to get tired quickly. These girls are all getting their licks in while they're fresh.

Disgusting all the way around. 

6 Liberals are succeeding, they are turning white girls into ghetto boys.
We are now all equal!!

7 There is an entire segment of this generation being raised without consciences.  The problem isn't the internet, it's the parents.  Or lack of parent(s). 

8

On the other hand, there is something positive to be said about thugs videotaping their own crimes

Makes the prosecution a whole lot easier.

9 mr nobody:

Are "white" and "ghetto" antonyms to you?

Is it not "white" to assault someone?

(Yes, I am implying your comment appears to be racist.)

10 Seattle Slough-Off settles on the racial angle to troll steer the conversation - "Ignore" button engaged!

11

SS, ghetto means coarse, trashy, evil lowlife.  It means the scum of the Earth, who have no conscience and pick on the weak and weakless.

Don't try to twist this into something racial.  It's about the de-sensitizing of our country's youth.  It's about turning people into thugs without morals.

12 How did Seattle Slough get all that sand in his vagina?

13 There is an entire segment of this generation being raised without consciences.  The problem isn't the internet, it's the parents.  Or lack of parent(s).

We really need to bring back those old-school public humiliation sorts of punishments. I'd love to see this scum and the parents who birthed them tarred and feathered and run out of town on a rail. Or how about putting them in the stocks while everyone gets to throw rotten vegetables and dung? If nothing else, leak their names to the internet and let them be shunned.

Clearly they thought they could get away with this...that attitude doesn't spring from nowhere. It comes from a Mommy and Daddy who indulge their little darlings' every whim. I believe the parents should be punished too.

14 "It was motivated by the same old nonsense that's been motivating school violence since they had 1) schools and 2) violence."

But this was violence with some special sauce: kidnapping and imprisonment. There was motivation that, apparently, went above and beyond the call of dissin' duty.

Is stardom on YouTube to be the bane of kid-dome? Whatever, I hope that video is the bane of those particular thugs.

15

"It was motivated by the same old nonsense that's been motivating school violence since they had 1) schools and 2) violence."

Remember the central park wilding back in 1989. At least nowadays the kids are filming it. So that's progress.

16 I saw that some of the parents of the girls were trying to portray this as some sort of "defend your honor" thing.  I could buy that if we were talking one against one.  But, there is nothing honorable about six-on-one.  When you teach an entire generation to scoff at the concept of courage, this is what you get.  They invent their own definition and I do not think the word means what they think it means.

17 Seattle Slough, I don't know what Ace is paying you to entertain us but I do know that it's worth every fucking penny.

18 OH MY FREAKING....

Idiots!!!  Blaming the internet, blaming anyone other than the soulless thugs that beat up another girl takes *away* their responsibility for their own actions.   They absolutely should be tried as adults, including those who stood watch, and the parents and anyone else should be absolutely clear that there is NO excuse.  None.   Being human means freely choosing our actions and our whole society needs to start taking responsibility for being human.

I am sorry that the girl being beat didn't even try to fight back.  Sorry about that but it doesn't change anything about the fault or guilt of those beating her.   The bitch in the pink would have done WELL to be permanently crippled by a well placed kick to the knee.

Barring that, I hope she enjoys life as a felon and a nice long prison stay.

19 I wished I had heeded the warning. I have a 15 year-old daughter. She is a pain in MY ass. That's her job. She is a great citizen and respectful. It IS the parents fault. Not the victim's fault. Jeez I need to get back to Dancing with the Stars.

20 um, didn't I caution mr. nobody previously?  I don't think seattle slough's being oversensitive here.  Sensitive yeah, but oversensitive?  I don't know.  I wouldn't have picked up on that I guess but now that he has, yeah, um...

mr. nobody is this sort of going to be your schtick here or what?

21 Blaming the internet, blaming anyone other than the soulless thugs that beat up another girl takes *away* their responsibility for their own actions.

I have a friend that calls it the "OJ/Clinton - I Didn't Do It" Syndrome.  After those two, no one has to be responsible for their own actions anymore.

22 eh, I guess I wouldn't pick up on this either, and would tell SS to shut his/her piehole, except mr. nobody has caught my eye before.

23 >>>I am sorry that the girl being beat didn't even try to fight back. 

Eh, that other girl seems to know how to punch, which is a skill not everyone has.

Plus, there's all those other people.

What's the best fighting back could accomplish?  Bloody someone's nose and you'll get worse.

I mean, six (or eight) on one... you're not fighting your way out of that unless you have some solid fighting skills.

24 How did I make this racial?

mr nobody said this:  "[Liberals] are turning white girls into ghetto boys."

Can that be read as anything other than racist?  Didn't mr nobody inject the race angle into this and not me?

Dogstar says: ghetto means coarse, trashy, evil lowlife.

Fine.

It isn't that nobody said 'ghetto' equals 'black.'  It is that apparently he thinks 'ghetto' equals not white.

As in, this is shocking behavior coming from a white person.  How unwhite of them.  Now even white people are acting 'ghetto.'

That, friends, is racism. 

25 Vigilanteism will make a comeback within civilized society if kids like these aren't held accountable. Watching that video kinda makes me want separate the perps from society by about 6 ft of dirt myself.

26 Three words to describe these little angels; white ta rash

27

Jesus Fucking Christ.

You are such a dick.

Nobody claimed ghetto means "not white".  Ghetto means asshole.  Are you saying assholes only come in one color?

Asshole.

28 And on topic,

I have made this point before (on a post about naughty cheerleaders I believe), but just becasue you are seeing video on youtube of some assault (or sweet nudity) doesn't necessarily mean there is more of it going on.  It just means we have a means of recording it (which we didn't prior to the 1970s, and was cost prohibative until the 2000s) and especially of disseminating it (which we really didn't have until youtube) until now.

There have always been bullies, assaults, beatings, gangs, etc.  If there were cellphone video camera and youtube in the 1950's we would have seen this shit then too.

Are we more violent today?  Perhaps, perhaps not.  This sure doesn't prove it.

29 Did anyone notice that in the video the dad mentioned the lack of God in the school system? I'm surprised CBS hadn't managed to redact that portion of his statement and maybe replace it with some hat tips to sexism/capitalism/global warming...

30

There is an entire segment of this generation being raised without consciences. The problem isn't the internet, it's the parents.

And the school system. And every single idiot who's climbed aboard the self-esteem-for-all train which has managed to turn several generations of America's children into raging narcissists who feel entitled to pummel anyone who interferes with their profound love of self.

I read stories like this and I thank God I went to a school populated by imperious nuns who had the good sense to make you feel like eternally damned scum whenever you did something wrong.

31 Dogstar:

Are you saying assholes only come in one color?

No.  Mr nobody is apparently saying they do not come in white.

Why do you suppose the word 'white' appears in his comment?

32

The solution to this sort of thing is very simple.  Round those little sociopaths up and let the victim and/or her family beat them with whips until their arms get tired. 

Then crucify the lot of them.

 

Problem solved.

33 Reminds me of this story. Some people are just worthless and all the good parenting in the world won't change them.

34

Girls are the meaner sex.  Guys will fight and then get on with life.  Girls hold grudges forever.

Two years ago, I intercepted chat conversations and emails that were sent to my teenage daughter when we moved to a small town in NY from California and couldn't believe the trash talk and the level of threats these girls were making towards my daughter.  What had my daughter done?  She is a pretty girl from Southern Calif.  that was enough.   Installed pctattletale on this computer so that we could monitor all activity took it to the school along with the girls names, etc.  It was stopped.

Ghetto is right.  As parents we have to stay very vigilant and know what are kids are doing - and what's being done to them.  The internet just adds one more dimension of supervision that's needed for our kids.

Oh, and I hope these girls in the video enjoy their miserable lives along with whatever is parenting them.

35 Makes you wonder what kind of fetid womb creates such creatures.

Too many parents are spared public humiliation for the actions of the children they have failed to raise properly.

36 Saddam Hussein used to make videos of the victims he tortured. These girls are in line for his throne.

37 I'm kinda with Seattle Slough on this one. *ack*
I feel a bit nauseous.
Sorry.

It is the juxtaposition of white and ghetto that illustrates the problem, methinks.
There are surely Jewish, Italian, Polish, French, British, Ukranian, Chinese, Bangladeshi (and every other type of) ghettos in the world.
But I wonder at the juxtaposition in mr nobody's post.

Quick, Seattle Slough.
Say something else stupid so I can get this nasty taste out of my mouth.
Fucker.

38 I know, Ace.  It probably would have just got her beat worse.   I'm not trying to say so much what she should have done because I *know* it's not easy to do something like target a knee and 90% of people who even knew to try for that target would miss.   I just hate it when anyone is passive in any situation.   That includes hating the fact that we don't know *how* to defend ourselves.

(I will repeat here that this in no way whatsoever has anything to do with who was guilty of what, just in case someone gets stupid and thinks I'm saying she *should* have done something.   I'm just sad she didn't.)

And the thugs beating up someone else for whatever reason?  They'd have been better to live in a time where violence wasn't so abstract to them and only thugs knew anything about it.   Because all the "good" people don't know violence, only the bad people do.   It's like we've disarmed ourselves inside our heads.

39

a) They're fucked

b) What the fuck?

c) ....fuck.

40 Would you accuse Condi of being "ghetto"? How about Colin Powell? Clarence Thomas? Walter Williams? Barak isn't ghetto either, he is a cold-eyed yuppie commie. Ghetto is attitude, feel free to ask an actual black person, as opposed to SS the pasty white guilt poster child of the political correctness army.

Is Ghetto a synonym for black for some of you? Ever hear of the Warsaw Ghetto? Ghetto isn't all about color, it is about culture and cultural isolation and a reduction of the residents to something closer to a state of nature (barbarism).

Ace, during your fugue, you confused me with about 3 other "Mr."s.

But I am not too afraid of being called racist, I had an epiphany a while back, when I realized that the left is finding it real easy to silence their opposition just by making conservatives over-react in self censorship. Michael Savage, otherwise a nut, had a great description of the process that the left uses to get the right to turn on our own principles. It turned LGF into a drone of mindless, boring camp-followers.

41 SS, I think you can read and understand what I am saying just fine, but the liberal in you insists that I restate and restate my views until they come across in a way that clearly fulfills your narrative. I won't do it. If you don't understand my gist, then tough.

Why don't you focus on how our society has come to this point instead?

42 And by "mindless boring camp-followers", he means Charles bans those who go into "Kill all the brown muslims, etc." Stormfront-esque trains.

43 I'm with Mr. on this one, even though it'll probably get me banned from commenting as well. But maybe there is a caveat, we had lots of people where I was from that would be considered ghetto, although we called them white trash. It all meant the same thing though, and I know plenty of white kids that are ghetto or wish they were (and by that I mean they wish they were more hard-core, not necessarily black). Welcome to PC self regulating, kids.

44 ...the left is finding it real easy to silence their opposition just by making conservatives over-react in self censorship.

Word.

45
Civilization always seems to be declining to those who care about it. This shit was going on in my day too--I was in high school 1964-68. Nobody blamed the parents: the kids were held accountable, rightly or wrongly. Most of the time, rightly. Parents have very little control over teenage children when the latter are with their peer groups. I was, believe it or not, a teenager myself once, and my running mates and I could be pretty violent when we were out and about on a Friday night.  It wasn't my parents' fault. It was my fault. Like so many teenage boys, I could be a real jerk.

46 >>>But I am not too afraid of being called racist, I had an epiphany a while back, when I realized that the left is finding it real easy to silence their opposition just by making conservatives over-react in self censorship.

True, but you did expressly say "White Girls" were being turned into "Ghetto Boys.""  White in opposition to ghetto.

It's fine, I'm just saying SS is not entirely oversensitive for noticing that.  That and I thought you were one of the guys really resisting my no "n-word" rule.  My bad if I'm wrong.

47 When I read comment #6 I saw a balanced contrast....   white girls to inner-city black, ghetto, boys.    If not for the word "white" I might well have read "ghetto" as "inner city thugs" without the "black" part.   And really... why "white" girls.   Are white girls somehow historically good and wonderful and other girls aren't?

So I did sort of have a "huh?" moment with that.

But what I found offensive is that girls aren't supposed to fight like boys.    Why not?   No person should fight like those girls did because it's just wrong, and wrong for anyone.    But equality?     How so?

I can figure out how to blame liberals... after all, we've given young people impossible standards of non-violence and taught them that violence is never the answer, to use their words instead, and pretended that if we do that everyone else will too.  There is no reality of bullies to prepare for or even be aware of!   I'll lay that on liberals.   And *yes* in that we've got equality.   All good girls *and* boys shun the physical and use their words, while all the bad girls and boys carry on unopposed as there is no Virtue any more in physically standing up for others or expectation of being asked to make that moral decision to *physically* stand up for another human being.

48 I type slow or I wouldn't have stepped on Ace there.

49
Problematic adolescent misbehavior is as old as the hills. Read Xenophon's The Education of Cyrus. Discussing the Persians' education system, the author observes that the education of adolescent boys required extra measures, e.g., the presence of mature men to mentor them and also to keep them in line--to serve as authority figures, role models, teachers, and disciplinarians. Xenophon tells us that the Persians were wise in recognizing and understanding that teenage boys are especially in need of supervision and control--for both their own benefit and for the benefit of their society.

50 I hadn't put it together but a reader did.  There is a psalm that goes along with this vicious sort of stuff...  http://joebuckley.wordpress.com/2008/04/08/disjointed-but-mated/

51

For some reason this reminds me of this site.  Not sure why, other than the obvious fact that I'm a sick twisted bastard.

52

This shit was going on in my day too--I was in high school 1964-68.

But not with girls. I think the "trashification" of girls is what's disturbing over the last ten years or so. Of course girls were always more evil - that's their nature. But it didn't come through in trashy ways like this. I was really reminded of it recently when my son dragged me to the Halloween remake. (And yes, I know the movie is fiction, but all my great life lessons are drawn from horror and zombie movies.) The way the girls talked to each other was so much more raunchy -both in sexual content and expletive content- than both the original movie, and with how girls talked when I was in school back at the time of the original.

I think we've lived under the assumption that only boys missed having a dad at home, but I can't help but think that the growing amount of whore and trailer trash behavior by girls also relates to dad being gone.

53 But not with girls.

You're wrong. Girls did engage in this kind of behavior. At least where I went to high school. Or are you presuming to tell me such behavior didn't occur at my high school, when I attended it?

54

Hermit Dave,  my #15.  I guess you've got company in the STB club.

55
I once dated a girl who went to an all-white public high school on Chicago's south side. It was a very ethnic neighborhood, mainly Eastern European, but also Irish and Jewish. Many, maybe a majority, of the parents were immigrants, born in the Old Country, with stern Old Country values. The girl I dated belong to a sorority, which were banned in the publish high schools but existed anyway. She and her friends got into a lot of fights, and for that purpose they carried straight razors in their purses and, equally deadly, rat-tail combs with long sharp points. My high school was an urban mix-raced school located an an inner city community. Even the "nice girls" got into fights with the greaser girls (who were white, of course) and the black girls. So don't tell me that girls didn't fight or engage in violent behavior 40 years ago. The world wasn't made new when you were born, sparky.

56 Heck I can take 25 of the little bastards.  Not sure how many rabid teenage girls I could take though -- the chubby one looks like she packs a mean punch.

57

You're wrong. Girls did engage in this kind of behavior. At least where I went to high school. Or are you presuming to tell me such behavior didn't occur at my high school, when I attended it?

Oh, come on. You had 6 girls gang-beating another girl, while the whole school looked on? And then, let me guess, their clothes started falling off, they invited you over, and it all ended with you writing a letter to Penthouse Forum that started out "I never thought this would happen to me!"

58 Oh, come on. You had 6 girls gang-beating another girl, while the whole school looked on?

Yes, that is precisely what happened. We also had gang fights between girl gangs.

59 sooo.. am I to understand that many of you are suggesting that white teenage girls do Not try to act like ghetto boys?  If you are, I would suggest that you are not around many white teenage girls.  The hip/hop thuglife imagery is all around them.. it's their version of rock and roll.  I don't think They see it as a racial thing, but as an outside observer ( a white, middle-aged Dad outside observer), I see it.  To pretend that the gangsta lifestyle has nothing to do with race, is in my opinion, intellectually dishonest.

60

I'm pretty dissapointed that the parents chose to blame both the kids, society and the internet.  That is like admonishing a beating in a house by blaming the house or a street fight by blaming the street.

The blame lies SQUARELY on the girls and boy in question.  They should have the book thrown at them.  The internet is just a bunch of tubes anyway, as a genius once said.  Can't blame tubes.

61
BTW, the greaser girls and the black girls were the worst in terms of violence. The "nice girls" were markedly less confrontational, but they expected their boyfriends (I was one of these) to protect them.

62 Can we send this video to all the feminists who claim that there would be nothing but peace love and bunnies if women ran the world?

63
To pretend that the gangsta lifestyle has nothing to do with race, is in my opinion, intellectually dishonest.

It is indeed linked with race, but not in the sense that race is a causal factor. Again, harking back to my day: the blue-collar inner city Irish neighborhoods were chock full of violent kids who lived what would now be categorized as the gangsta lifestyle. Their violence was neither influenced nor inspired by violent inner city blacks. Rather, it was the result of the breakdown of families in part attributable, I think, to rampant alcoholism and a culture of violence that extended back centuries and across the ocean to western Ireland, especially County Mayo, where so many Chicago Irish come from. The inhabitants of the wealthy, lily-white Protestant towns of Chicago's North Shore--Winnetka, Kenilworth, etc.--used to look upon the South Side Irish with horror, and held them to be lower than blacks. Then the Irish got rich and moved to those North Shore towns, and that negative attitude magically changed.

64

Ed Snate mentions girl-girl violence back in the stone age. I'm to young to know for sure about that, but I read "The Cross and the Switchblade" back in the day and it is consistent with what he mentions. C&S was published in 69.

Look, the world today is going to hell in a handbasket and kids today are horrific. And always have been.

65

but I read "The Cross and the Switchblade" back in the day and it is consistent with what he mentions. C&S was published in 69.

Heh. The Greasers were already fighting the Socs when the The Outsiders was published in 1967.

66 Warriors, come out to play-ay ... Warriors ....

67
Very true, XBradTC.

I read the "The Cross and the Switchblade" when it was published--I was a college sophomore. Even then it was obsolete, and seemed antique to us, describing circumstances that had vanished. All those JDs (juvenile delinquints) and hoodlums fighting with switchblades--how quaint. It seemed almost homeric. At the end of the sixties the bad kids were starting to pack real heat, revolvers and such.

68 Man, this seriously fucked up crap always happens in Florida.

69
Ted does have a point: girl-violence was certainly not ubiquitous in the 60s, when I was in high school ... I'm pretty sure it was primarily an urban phenomenon, occuring in cities and in suburbs close to cities. Now, I suppose, it occurs just about everywhere.

70

I messed around with a trashy girl in tenth grade who ended getting smashed with a rock until she lost an eye by some other girl. It didn't have anything to do with youtube, just white trash.

Ten years from now it will be okay to KO a bitch if she starts shit like a man. You cannot square up with a man and expect anything else. Every guy either already knows that he will eventually lose or learns it the hard way. Today, a woman can, and sometimes will, throw punches/spit on you/get in your bubble and expect no reaction. Women who try and ape around like men should be treated like men.

71 46: I read "white" as mr nobody trying to say "suburban."  Thus the juxtaposition being between suburban and ghetto, which makes more sense.

72 59: I don't see what it has to do with race.  The current ghetto culture people attribute to African Americans is essentially the same culture that belonged to white Southerners before them and to their forefathers from the United Kingdom before them.  The culture in question pre-dates America for crying out loud.

73 The reason I think you could (wrongly) consider thinking white is the antonym of "ghetto" is that we have been told that the poverty of the inner city creates minority criminals...they have no choice in the matter you see.

I'd also point out that "acting too white" is not acceptable to some blacks, so they obviously thinks its some sort of opposite, too.

Personally I know enough white trash to realize poor behavior doesn't respect racial lines.

74 The victim's father is a pretty big guy. If I were the little hissy thugs, I think I'd start worrying what my face would look like if a guy like that actually lost his temper and came after me for what I had done to his little girl.

They are morons. Dad oughta kick their ass all together. He could probably kick their parents asses with one hand tied behind his back too.

Subsunk

75

You're wrong Ace.  And its not even close. 

Consider yourself a victim of the leftard race card strategy. 

Seattle Stoupid's post is a perfect example of spinning something out of nothing to call a conservative "racist" and getting you to be "sensitive" about it. 

By November, we're all going to believe we're racist.  What crap. 

76

#30 Tiredwench -

FOX news was doing a story about spring break and poor behavior among teens (especially girls) that would no doubt end up filmed and on the internet.  They had a psychologist on to comment on it.  The interviewer asked the psychologist if this behavior was from a "lack of self esteem".  His answer:  (paraphrasing) "NO!  It's from too much self esteem.  These kids have been told from the get go that nothing they do is wrong...everything they do is perfect.  The have no shame."  I almost fell off my chair.  He nailed it.

77 On topic but steering the conversation some.....

I hear that they are trying to charge these girls as adults.  I'm not sure that this is a good thing.  They seriously messed up that girl and she is going to have physical impairments for the rest of her life.

A jail sentence may be too light for what they did.  Serve their time and they have "paid their debt to society".  But what about their debt to the victim?  She is going to live with her impairments.  The assailants get to go on with their lives.

I'd like some creative sentencing here where the assailants need to somehow take care of the victim for the rest of her life.  I don't care if they see a minute of jail time.  I don't think jail is going to help them.  It certainly doesn't help the victim who has lost hearing and may lose an eye.

78 I would argue that one difference, today, is that the mommy and daddy's of these girl thugs think their girls are just the bestest! The only thing more disgusting than those girls (I bet they have tramp-stamps) is their parents defending their behavior. Children are out of control because their parents allow it.

These girls were cheerleaders?!? I bet their parents would argue they shouldn't be kicked off the squad.

79 Tami - that EXACTLY ties into what I'm saying.

I homeschool my kids, and I was thinking last week that my one daughter is a bit lacking in social skills because of it (I just put her in girl scouts, and she was a bit awkward at the first meeting.) Anyway, so I was going through a crises. And then this hits the news.

If THAT is socialization ... my daughter doesn't need it.

80 I grew up in a very rural area and went to HS in the 80's and 90's.  In the 13 years I was in school I saw a grand ole total of 2 fights between girls as opposed to about100 or so between guys...of which I took part in a half dozen or so.  Not gang style junk, just hair-pulling slapfest between the girls.  Steve (aka Ed Snate)'s experiences differ from mine like night and day.  I too believe that in his day, this was rampant...in cities and large urban areas with people living stacked on top of each other.  With no ownership of anything, the streets become your 'property' and turf suddenly matters.  Nowadays, this shit is everywhere, and in my old hometown (population 3000 with 400 students in k-12) the inner-city style of behavior and dress is the norm.  Disrespect for everyone is the norm as well.  I understand this has always been the MO of kids, but the line is being crossed in ways never before seen with adults being assaulted by kids and a much more ballsy attitude.  There's no honor, only the fake 'honor' of their own street cred, propelled by an insatiable and overinflated ego.  And this in a place where there are more dairy cows than people.  Insert joke if you feel you have to.

There is responsibility on two levels here.  First the scumbags that beat this girl - and I sympathize because I was jumped on a few occasions in college by multiple dudes...just without the kidnapping - need to be held responsible.  This is assault and battery with aggravating circumstances, conspiracy, kidnapping, etc.  They need to be tried as adults with these charges and whatever else is involved.  The second level of responsibility definitely goes to the parents.

Parents are supposed to be the guides for children in their lives.  Nowadays, kids drive the parents behavior instead of the other way around.  Parents are too concerned with their own lifestyles that they don't care for their children in the way they should.  One of the ways to show you care for a kid is to fucking correct them when they're wrong...either in what they say or how they act.  If kids are never told they're wrong or corrected, of if their behavior is constantly excused by their parents, then of course they will behave as if there's no line to cross.  It's classic narcissism. 

Tip for anyone who finds themselves getting jumped and have time to react.  Grab one and drop to the ground on your back.  The guy you grab will take a good deal of the beating if you can use him as a shield.  You'll still be hit, but chances are you'll be able to get up and walk away when they're tired of beating.  It's not about fighting back in that instance; it's about surviving.  Or, study Krav Maga and learn how to fight your way out of that type of situation.  Or carry a gun and train yourself in its use, then use it if you have to.

81

It's not a pretty picture Carin, is it?

BTW...for those wondering about the victim's lack of "fight back" keep in mind that the video you're seeing is AFTER she was first attacked in a back room and knocked unconscious.  She later awoke in the room you're seeing in the video.  Kinda hinders one's ability to fight back.

82

"""Liberals are succeeding, they are turning white girls into ghetto boys.
We are now all equal!!"""

Too funny...

What I don't understand is why she didn't fight back... I would have knocked over that glass case to start..... then took my belt off and started swinging the buckle end.....

c'mon, what kinda white trash fight is this... lame!!!

83

Honestly...if you find yourself fighting like 8 people....um..

RUN????

Don't "fight back", fight through and away.

84

Here's a story about violent teen girls with a happy ending.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,348448,00.html

85

TRM, see Tami's post above yours.

Also, there may be a component of the 'defending yourself is evil because it requires violence' line of thought pushed on everyone these days. 

My parents, by contrast, always taught me to never start physical violence, but if it were visited upon me to be damn sure to be the one to end it, by any means possible.  Despite this, when I had bully problems in junior high, I did the passive thing because of what everyone else thought.  I spent several months getting tossed down flights of stairs and tripped up in the halls by a pack of idiots.  It didn't stop until I snagged the bat from one of the leader durring gym class and gave him a good beatdown while the others were able to see it, but not intervene.

It's all about chosing the right time and situation to strike back.

86 This girl probably goes to a school where the defender is just as evil as the attacker. No judgment you know, just "all fighting is bad".

That is why my future kids WILL be in Karate. That way, they will probably never be the bully or the victim.

And also why I won't tolerate the zero tolerance crap about fighting.

87 Karma still exists, I think.  Meaning: these girls will get what's coming to them during their 6 month prison stays... hopefully, they'll come out of jail with a few permanent bruises that will forever remind them of their bad choices. 

My greater hope is that the parents who failed to raise these thugs correctly be publicly humiliated, sued into abject poverty, and then jailed themselves.  Maybe (!) if we hold the parents accountable for failing to be parents, then others will wise up and realize that being a good parent has nothing to do with "being a best friend" and buying the kid a BMW for her 16th birthday.  My own daughter is 17, and she was horrified when she saw this, but admitted how common this kind of thing is in her high school as well.  Of course, my daughter works part-time because she knows that the money for her first car will come from her pocket, not mine.  It also keeps her out of trouble and teaches her the value of a dollar.   

88

I just hope the parents of the victim sue the perps' parents into financial oblivion.

There's nothing like "being financially destroyed as a punishment for being criminally stupid" to get someone's attention.  When Perp Dad is boiling his Bruno Maglis for supper, he can ponder his failure to properly raise his Perp Princess.

Also, here's hoping those girls are forced to turn tricks until they are 35 in order to pay for what they did--- after they get out of the slammer, of course.  ("Ewwww! Cleaning toilets has broken my nails!  Where's that Korean woman when I need her?")

Oh, and whoever said girls have been doing this since way back when ----bzzzzt!  NOT ONCE did I see or hear of a girl fight in High School or college.  NOT ONCE did I hear a girl say "fuck" until I was well into college.  Fights among guys were so far and few between that it was BIG NEWS, SCANDALOUS NEWS, when it happened.

Widespread, open-and-notorious skankdom is a product of a culture coarsened by years of Hollywood's "liberal" values.

It is thus reversible --- if only those who think it "human nature" would have the sand and onions to take a stand against it.

 

89

Dare I risk opprobrium by pointing out that "girl gangs" and the like used to be signs of lower-class kids in urban schools?

But middle-class white girls routinely forming gangs prior to the 1990's?

Geddouddaheah!!!!

 

 

90

>>And also why I won't tolerate the zero tolerance crap about fighting.

 

that's the most frustrating part... you're opinion won't have any impact on what happens in any "zero tolerance" situation...

91 Zero tolerance for fighting in school where there is no attempt to determine who is the aggressor, who "started it", or who was pushed into the confrontation or defending him or herself is certainly part of the problem.   That and, despite "zero tolerance", not treating fighting as an assault.   (Just as sexual harassment or groping or sexual assault in school is not treated as sexual assault).  

Why should those girls expect that they've actually broken the law?    Why shouldn't they figure they're going to get to go home or hope they don't miss cheer leading practice?   They live in a world (those of you who home school know this as the "real" world) where the victim in a fight is treated the same as aggressors.   They would actually have every reason to expect that the girl they were beating would get in trouble for fighting *too*.

92

Synova is onto something. 

They instituted zero tolerance in my high school in my senior year.  All it did was make fights more common.  The ones willing to start shit didn't care about getting in 'trouble' (usually just a 3 day suspension), but thrilled at the idea that their targets would get into 'trouble' too; which the targets usually did care about; even if the target didn't fight back.

93

I've never understood why "zero tolerance" passes the "procedural and substantive Due Process" test. 

If my kid were hit with a ridiculous "zero tolerance" case (such as the high school kids who made an anti-drug video at school, and then were suspended for ten days because the candy they broke up to look like crack violated a "rule" that forbade drug lookalikes!) I would be all over that school administration, starting by labeling the superintendant and principal as IMBECILES in every forum I could, INCLUDING local blogs.

(the lastest issue of Reason magazine reports the fake crack case)

94

The only thing more disgusting than those girls (I bet they have tramp-stamps)

Yes, as we all know every woman that has a tattoo is a nasty filthy piece of trash and should be thrown off a cliff.

95

">>And also why I won't tolerate the zero tolerance crap about fighting

that's the most frustrating part... you're opinion won't have any impact on what happens in any "zero tolerance" situation..."

Ahh, but it will. I refuse to live in a city where the people have the humanity and the values of cockroaches. I live outside of a city, and the school is small, and the ppl around here conservative enough that when my kids get into school, if I cannot change the school, I can run for the board at least, or I will homeschool.

I won't have some bunch of asshats teach my child to be a sheep.

96 RE 94,

No, but tattoos used to indicate trashy women.

Now they indicate trashy women or women who are too ignorant or vain or boundary-challenged to realize that they make them look trashy.

Yes some guys like tattoo'ed women. They will refute me. But the secret that is no secret is that some guys like trashy women because they are easier to get into bed, and have fewer limits once there. They defend female tattoos because without them, they would actually have to get to know the woman before they try to get them into bed.

97

Now they indicate trashy women or women who are too ignorant or vain or boundary-challenged to realize that they make them look trashy.

Welp, I have a tattoo and I'm a married stay at home mom of four and I'm none of the above.

But you can generalize all ya want. I don't mind.

98

As an aside I think it's great you homeschool your kid/s carin. I used to homeschool mine and enjoyed it.

That being said. Do NOT worry about your kid being socialized. Unless you have her locked in a closet, she deals with social situations every single day when she sets foot outside the door.

99

How sad.  Is there no such thing as a "lady" anymore?  And by that I don't mean a weak, mealy-mouthed woman.  I mean a woman of self-respect and dignity. 

100
<quote>#38 I know, Ace.  It probably would have just got her beat worse...   I just hate it when anyone is passive in any situation.   That includes hating the fact that we don't know *how* to defend ourselves.</quote>

Synova, my initial reaction was similar to yours.  I was appalled at the behavior of the thugs, but I got a chill down my spine when the victim stood in the corner and never fought back.  This is one of the rare times that I disagree with Ace.  I am shocked that she didn't fight back AT ALL.  I have to wonder how many years of PC BS does it take to totally destroy a person's survival instinct.  The victim was literally pushed into a corner with her back to a wall and she did nothing.    Everyone is rightfully decrying the parents of the thugs.  What about the victim's parents?  Once you realize that your child is timid or weak, don't you DO something about it? 

I know what I would have done and it's what I would have trained my kids to do.   When my niece was just out of high school, she was attacked by a crowd of girls after a football game.  In GIRL logic, these thugs wanted to teach her a lesson because her brother was a local football star and my niece hung out with all of the football players.  For this reason, about 15 or so girls jumped her after a game.   She held her own until  about 10 of them rushed her and dragged her to the ground but she kept swinging the whole way. 

So this whole attitude of "don't fight back cause you may get worse" is beyond me.  There's a large contingent of people (parents and schools) out there training kids not to TRY to defend themselves.  (Often the same people protesting the military.)  In the rush not to make the victim FEEL bad, I'm sure that people are telling her that she did the right thing.  Luckily for her, her attackers were vicious not lethal. 

101 Is there no such thing as a "lady" anymore?

I dunno, kevlar.  Synova was offended by that suggestion.

But what I found offensive is that girls aren't supposed to fight like boys.    Why not?

Not that I care.  I'm old school like that.  Be offended.  Whatever.  I'm married to a lady, and I like it that way.

102 And (speaking of homeschool) it's not as though we don't all know children who were public schooled who are shy or don't know how to interact in a new situation.  In fact, I've never noticed any particular social ability associated with classroom schooling.   The socially comfortable kids are socially comfortable.   The socially uncomfortable kids are socially uncomfortable.    School makes no difference except to promote the hyper-critical tendencies that are well understood to be associated with age-segregation.  

Parents can fight zero tolerance by, if nothing else, supporting your child if he or she gets kicked out of school for it.   A friend of mine did that, specifically giving his daughter permission after her third detention for being late to class to move the jock blocking her locker by force.   She got kicked out of school.   Said jock had to live with getting face planted by a girl.   (She's a *tall* girl and, well, someone already mentioned the Crav Maga thing... )

Zero tolerance specifically and deliberately violates the social contract for giving up your right to enact justice, your right to vigilantism, over to a enforcement authority.   That implicit social contract is that the guilty are punished and the innocent protected.   When everyone is punished, guilty and innocent alike, you've given up your rights for absolutely nothing.   There is NO incentive anymore to let the authorities sort it all out.   They don't *sort*.

That's one reason why I've talked with my daughter (the one of my kids in school this year instead of homeschool) about situations where violence is acceptable and have told her she has my support for defending herself with a degree of effectiveness.   She will get punished the same if she's attacked by another student at school.   The *only* opportunity for justice, or even a learning opportunity for the other kid,  is what she delivers her own self.

103 I guess if criminals are going to commit crimes anyway, it's probably best if they tape it for posterity.  It makes convicting them so much easier.

"Am I going to make it to cheerleader practice?"

"No, you're going to be in here for a couple of years."

104 What about capability for self-defense is un-lady-like?

I'd like someone to explain that please.

If I study karate (which I've done and want to get back into) or buy a gun and get a concealed carry permit (which I'd like to do at some point) and if I can defend myself... how is that not being a lady?    How is that not dignity and self-respect?

Men who fight can fight honorably or dishonorably.    The same is true for women.

I'm glad you married a lady, Warden.   I don't know if what you mean by that is that you have to squash spiders for her or not.   I never did get that.   A woman can spend a few years elbow deep in human sh*t and a few more cleaning up various projectile vomit episodes but she's supposed to put on this fake front of being innocent of the coarser reality of the world.  

105 " But what I found offensive is that girls aren't supposed to fight like boys.    Why not?"

Because girls are not boys, and all the feminists in HR departments, Schools, Hollywood or the MSM cannot change it. Now, they CAN encourage girls to act like ghetto whores and gang bangers, encourage girls to get in guys faces etc. And they encourage them to think they CAN fight like boys.

But all they do when they do that is set the girls up for a rude awakening.

106 Don't misconstrue what I wrote as saying girls should not be able to defend themselves.

107

My son got jumped on the bus. It was planned by the attacker, He had two phone cam's rolling before he passed my son on the bus. (Son was a freshman, attacker was a junior) He jumped my son as he was sitting in the bus seat. It was all caught on video. It didn't last long, say 10 seconds. My son could not do much being pinned in the seat and the wall of the bus. 

It got posted to Yahoo and myspace that night. I found out about it a few day later from a friend that saw it and notified me. Obviously my son was a little embarrassed. Said he wanted to fight back, but being on the bus meant that he'd get suspended and that ment suspended from football if he fought back. He loves football. I told him next time deal with it and not to worry. If it's self defense it justifiable.

I took screen shots and caps of the video, burned it to dvd. I played it to the resource officer at his high school. The kid got 2 months in alternative school, 1 year probation and a weekend in juvenile hall. No big deal, but I guess it was at least something.

The Judge did note and made a point that the youth are posting more stuff like this on youtube in such, and it seem to irritate him to see it in his court.

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