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| Yoo's March 14 MemoBy now I'm sure you've heard that the DoD has released the infamous "torture memo" that then-Deputy Assistant Attorney General for the Office of Legal Counsel John Yoo wrote describing the law governing military interrogations of alien unlawful combatants. Various parts of the Left blogosphere and the legacy media are screeching about it and alternating between calls for impeachment and cries of "Abu Ghraib, Abu Ghraib." They look and sound like nothing so much as a pack of overexcited baboons. I'm not ready to defend it in its entirety (as Stuart Benjamin challenges), but there are parts of it that are indeed "near boilerplate." Moreover, Benjamin and other commentators are conveniently ignoring that the Supreme Court would later agree with key parts of the March 14 Memo--namely the scope of executive power and the limits of Constitutional guarantees for alien unlawful combatants--in cases like Hamdi (2004), Hamdan (2006), and even Rasul (2004), all of which were trumpeted as crushing blows to the Administration. Several decisions in the lower courts also adopted reasoning similar to that of Yoo's memo--without having even seen it, mind you. So when Benjamin predicts that few lawyers who have expertise in the area of law will defend the March 14 Memo, I think he's expressing what he hopes will happen rather than what any person can actually expect to happen. I'm not certain that I care to spend the next week combing through the memo and responding to Yoo's critics, but I will address some immediate problems with the Lefty commentary. First, contrary to Marty Lederman's characterization, the Yoo memo does not authorize the abuses at Abu Ghraib. Nor, by any stretch of the imagination, does it provide a "blueprint" for the types of things that went on there that led to seven courts martial, all of which included charges of dereliction of duty. In other words, the abuses that went on there were most certainly not authorized by the March 14 Memo or any other Administration action. Second, there are several reasons for classifying the memo at the time it was released. Kevin Drum expands on a questino of Lederman, asking:now that we know what was in the memo, what justification was there for classifying it in the first place? It wouldn't have been moot in 2003, and there was nothing in it that compromised national security either then or now.Drum is obviously incorrect about this. In March 2003, there was little public information about our interrogation programs or the lengths to which our interrogators were legally allowed to go. Releasing the memo would have revealed to our enemies much about the Administration's intention to interrogate and possibly the severity of such interrogations (it goes into detail about what legally constitutes assault and maiming and discusses the legal ramifications of many interrogation techniques; it's discussion of the Convention Against Torture is particularly telling). The memo also obliquely references several things about the war effort that could have reasonably been seen as requiring secrecy, including various other classified legal inquiries made by the Administration and references to military installations abroad other than Guantanamo Bay where detainees may have been interrogated. In short, the Left--with the legacy media right behind them--are ready to launch into all kinds of insupportable attacks on the March 14 Memo like linking it with Abu Ghraib or so-called "unlimited war" plans by the Bush Administration. If you are interested in looking at yourself, Part 1 is here (PDF) and Part 2 is here (PDF). Whether I return to the subject will depend on how incompetent the Lefty and other blawg discussion gets. Comments1
Padilla and his madre are suing Yoo for the “torture” he allegedly sustained in the hoosegaw. His lawyers are asking for $1 in damages which tell me he has no chance of winning. But by asking to find for the plaintiff and award only $1 in damages, the attys win fees. I’d like to see the agreement he entered with his attys to do this. This crap always seemed unethical to me. I like Yoo, though I vaguely recall that he is married to a lefty. Posted by: Guy Ritchie's Career at April 02, 2008 11:53 AM (pCXhx) 2
My street level defense of the memo. Its been done, whatcha ya going to do about it. Posted by: polynikes at April 02, 2008 11:57 AM (m2CN7) 3
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Yoo is a pussy. His office should have come back with a one page memo saying: "Fuck torture. Shoot them in the head, immediately, on the battlefield. No trials, no interrogations, no motherfucking rights whatsoever. Shoot them in the head, just like the Geneva Conventions allow all lawful combatants to do to unlawful combatants. Let me know when you actually capture someone who fights in uniform, with a recognized chain of command, not hiding behind women and children. Then we can talk about fucking torture."
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Yeah dude, no one knew that we would interrogate them since we classified that memo.
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Sharkman, did it ever occur to you that we were the attacking force in this "war" and thus our insistance that our enemy be dressed in uniforms (in their own country) is a bit ridiculous.
As an example. Imagine some American terrorists attacked Mexico. In response the Mexican Army marches into Texas. When Texas citizens fight back (as they should) should Mexico be allowed to torture them because they were "unlawful combatants." Generally, unlawful combatants are spies and saboteurs, behind enemy lines, that would otherwise be part of a regular army. Not native guerrila forces resisting a foreign occupier. Think of Red Dawn! Posted by: Seattle Slough at April 02, 2008 01:32 PM (H5l9d) 8
SS, take a look at how many Iraqis and Afghanis are at Guantanamo, compared to other nationalities. Then talk about Red Dawn.
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Well I guess we could start by shooting the non-Iraqis; that ought to improve the situation.
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As an example. Imagine some American terrorists attacked
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The example is inapposite because it doesn't accurately describe the situation. The Taliban was the legitimate fighting force of Afghanistan at the time of invasion. But even more importantly, we didn't just jump them in the middle of the night before they got a chance to put their uniforms on. We gave them fair warning and they've certainly had enough time between the start of hostilities and now to comply with the obligations of international law. As for Al Qaeda, their fighters are an organized resistance movement and they are therefore required to comply with the obligations of international law. The levee en masse that you describe is only authorized in the short term (see for example the Geneva Convention (III) relating to the Treatment of Prisoners of War) and its comments). Posted by: Gabriel at April 02, 2008 02:40 PM (fTHzT) 11
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"Yoo is a pussy." Amen to that. And apparently a lousy fucking lawyer by his own admission: "boilerplate" indeed.
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