How Liberals Think [dri]
This video has been on this site before but I am reposting it because it is simply one of the best and most informative dissections of the Leftist mindset. Please watch it for 5 minutes and I guarantee you will be hooked and will watch the whole thing. If you have seen it before, watch it again. It is important to refocus on how those who dislike our country think and what motivates them.
Posted by: xgenghisx at 11:08 AM
Posted by: kneejerk liberal at March 30, 2008 11:12 AM (bFqDX)
2 His blog is just as good:
Posted by: Robert at March 30, 2008 11:14 AM (hcsKC)
3 They don't dislike our country. They dislike what our country should/used to be. They are busy remaking it into a socialist utopia a la "Harrison Bergeron". They love that America.
Posted by: Potosi Joel at March 30, 2008 11:26 AM (TPRbZ)
4 You were right, five minutes in, I *was* hooked.
Posted by: V the K at March 30, 2008 11:28 AM (/0sRQ)
Posted by: urthshu at March 30, 2008 11:32 AM (bFqDX)
6 ^ short form in a handy-dandy chart
Posted by: urthshu at March 30, 2008 11:33 AM (bFqDX)
7 In AOS Lifestyle news, I'm glad I wasn't utterly humiliated like this guy:
Posted by: Eliot Spitzer at March 30, 2008 11:39 AM (/l0x0)
8 Realy good stuff-how do we beat it?
Posted by: CavMedic at March 30, 2008 11:52 AM (rYFmu)
Thanks, dri. I've never seen that before.
You were right, five minutes in, I *was* hooked.
Posted by: V the K
Ditto. The concept of non-discrimination always leading to a worse result helps me understand some things that have been puzzling me.
Posted by: klrtz1 at March 30, 2008 12:09 PM (Y+AeB)
10 When I first heard this, it really opened my eyes. I have never looked at the left in the same way.
I have used his basic theory in an attempt to explain a common theme of the left that is otherwise inexplicable. That is the idea that despite their grades, despite the military testing, despite academic and personal achievement, John Kerry (and all liberals) are geniuses and W (and all conservatives particularly Reagan) are drooling idiots. The reason Kerry is a genius is that he has rejected rational thought. The reason W is a drooling idiot is that he has not rejected rational thought.
Near the end, he responds, not particularly well, to a question concerning socialized medicine. I would add that the basic idea of socialized medicine includes that everybody should get the same resources and the same outcomes regardless of their lifestyle choices. The AIDS infected drug addict, the obese welfare loafer, the tobacco addict, and the alcoholic shouldn't have to accept less health than the person who has made rational choices toward achieving good health. (And I say this despite the fact that I resemble the obese welfare loafer although I don't loaf or collect welfare.)
Posted by: WalrusRex at March 30, 2008 12:38 PM (DVVXZ)
11 Riveting stuff! I enjoyed the heck out of it. Be warned it runs 47:55.
Posted by: Darth Randall at March 30, 2008 01:03 PM (oLULt)
12 I don't think it explains everything, but so many pieces fell into place the first time I heard it that it became one of my personal all-time favorites.
The healthy concept (bad forms of discrimination should be shunned) became pathological (all forms of discrimination should be shunned), and though I think it happened earlier than Mr. Sayet thinks it did, the "liberals" went from anti-bigotry to anti-judgement.
It is helpful to note that the "liberals" 150 years ago were called "Republicans," whose anti-bigotry policy has actually not changed since then (though emancipation was a political tool during the civil war (only applied to the South, not the North), it was adopted and pushed by Republicans after the war for the whole nation).
Jim Crow - smashed by Republicans. Civil Rights Act - passed by Republicans. The left won the propaganda victory because they sought media and entertainment roles by disposition and/or design, and so largely controlled the conversation while the current and last generation were growing up, and popular understanding of history was suitably "revised" by means of the "big lie" method.
I could go on, and evidently I do at some length.
Posted by: Merovign at March 30, 2008 01:20 PM (IaYDo)
13 This chart is also helpful for understanding the liberal mindset.
Posted by: Tinian at March 30, 2008 01:55 PM (1Mq7K)
I wondered where I stole "Not just wrong, but 180 degrees from right."
Posted by: FUBAR at March 30, 2008 02:01 PM (HrVHr)
15 Very powerful (true) stuff.........thank you so much.
Posted by: tonynoboloney at March 30, 2008 02:02 PM (n2Hys)
16 This guy is way ahead of where i am in understanding these people
Posted by: Village Idiot at March 30, 2008 02:36 PM (Kwk7J)
17 Meh. I've made it 13 minutes, but he lost me when he attacked "Imagine".
Look, I spend my life with this stuff. I'm in Italy now because I have an Italian girlfriend who -- being a feeling rather than thinking person -- is a leftie. What I can't stand about fucktards from the right is this insistence that everything is black and white. Sorry, I'm all for the war on terror but I don't have any problem with Brokeback Mountain. I love my guns more than you do, but I'm not going to lose any sleep over Robert Mapplethorpe being exhibited (in fact, I've paid admission).
You need an overriding goal. Some people's is Conservatism. Mine is Liberty. They ain't the same.
Posted by: Prufrock at March 30, 2008 03:06 PM (RuKfN)
18 I love my guns more than you do, but I'm not going to lose any sleep over Robert Mapplethorpe being exhibited (in fact, I've paid admission).
You missed the whole point. He didn't say these things were "bad" - he said they were championed simply because they attacked what has traditionally been upheld as good. He used them as examples of having no objective standard for beauty, and for their appeal being a lack of discrimination or judgement rather than a rational attempt at something good (beauty).
Posted by: adam h at March 30, 2008 03:22 PM (ZMAqD)
19 Working from memory here...
Context is a force multiplier. Someone (the business owner?) originally put this up in March of last year. Probably in the archives. I was in the box and spent a week trying to download it to see itin its entirety--band width issues.He (Ace?) linked it to the childish mindset of early utopian/dystopian/ SF/ futurist writers and their tropes on the subject of what should be, or disappointment that we haven't "evolved" to where THEY think we should--andI think, why they allsucked universally as a result.
The eternal 5 year old crying on the playground of life that 'that's not fair',he doesn't get his turn to be the 'line leader' or you won't play 'MY' game nowattitude.
From the trekkie perspective, this ain't Startrek--you can't get purple koolaid in a pink plastic tumbler by pushing a button and waiting for it to magically materialize.Not in a "reality based world" (tm)not yet, anyway, but Rodenberry was the most sucessful in getting it in a watchable form on teevee first. An early, 'Hope for Changer', perhaps?
In the same vein, the David Mamet turning rightpiece he did could be lumped into the same subjectthread. That was in the last 2 weeks or so. A 'theme drum' that is periodically dusted off and beat to the same frenzied rhythm. Kinda like Desi Arnez? Slap them bongos, son.
As good and powerfulasTHIS is--I sent it to my nutter sister and B-in-law back then--Evan's site at the time was pretty limited--don't want to call him a one trick pony, but, aside from promoting himselffor upcoming appearances in SoCal--I remember it kinda like townhall.com where you read the articles, but ignore the comments formost writers--they are all the same, and say little--waste of time. The average Coulter piece will have 750 comments within 2 days of putting it up. Total. Waste. Of. Time.
probably could have done this in shorter form, but am endeavoring to avoid 'pithiness' that I'm not particularly good at, according to some.
Posted by: Occasional Poo flinger in the rafters at March 30, 2008 03:22 PM (xWFo/)
20 I'm not going to lose any sleep over Robert Mapplethorpe being exhibited (in fact, I've paid admission).
I don't think you get conservatism. We didn't have a problem with Mapplethorpe being exhibited, and we're glad you paid for it, but we didn't want to pay for it. And thanks to the wonders of Big GovernmentTM we had to pay for it, whether we wanted to or not.
Posted by: Ted K. at March 30, 2008 03:48 PM (exWY4)
21 Wow. I was hooked in less than 5 minutes, and was amazed that after 44, it seemed like about 15.
Posted by: John F Not Kerry at March 30, 2008 03:50 PM (4gHqM)
22 OOPPSS. Maybe I should have used the term, one hit wonder, instead of one-trick-pony.A lot of the utube comments accused him of all flash, no bang at that time. IMHO, Sayet hasn't expanded on the topic much since, but then I quit following him, waiting for more some time ago. The original post here, did so, offering a lot of tie ins to the 'mindset' quite nicely. Seems it was around the 18th of March give or take, last year.
Posted by: Occasional Poo flinger in the rafters at March 30, 2008 03:59 PM (xWFo/)
23 #10 Walrus "The AIDS infected drug addict, the obese welfare loafer, the tobacco
addict, and the alcoholic shouldn't have to accept less health than the
person who has made rational choices toward achieving good health."
Nor should they ... as long as they're buying it themselves.
In Britain, lately, they're starting to ration the available health care in ways that discriminate against tobacco addicts et al, who have NO RECOURSE to any private alternatives. That's because their genius system is all about addressing the Demand Side of the healthcare industry, just like the genius systems of Obie and Hildie.
And there's a question that needs to be put to both of those clowntards: "In view of the ongoing disintegration of the healthcare systems in Canada, Britain, etc etc, how does YOUR stupid plan propose to be self-sustaining, Mr/Ms genius Candidate?"
Or, you know, words to that effect...
Posted by: Stoop Davy Dave at March 30, 2008 04:17 PM (bYXzv)
24 O.p.f.i.t.r. #19 "am endeavoring to avoid 'pithiness' that I'm not particularly good at, according to some."
Screw whoever complains. If your stuff makes sense, like it's doing right here, then those of us who like it will keep reading. The alternative is to skip ahead to the next comment, and it's less than 50/50 on that being an improvement.
Posted by: Stoop Davy Dave at March 30, 2008 04:22 PM (bYXzv)
25 "We didn't have a problem with Mapplethorpe being exhibited, and we're glad you paid for it, but we didn't want to pay for it. And thanks to the wonders of Big GovernmentTM we had to pay for it, whether we wanted to or not."
When and where did that happen? Mapplethorpe's material was exhibited in private galleries to ticket-buying patrons. Or so I've been led to believe.
Posted by: Stoop Davy Dave at March 30, 2008 04:24 PM (bYXzv)
26 When and where did that happen? Mapplethorpe's material was exhibited in private galleries to ticket-buying patrons.
"and nude works that include homoerotic imagery from classic nudes to BDSM acts. Mapplethorpe is best known for his Portfolio X series, which sparked national attention because of its explicit content and the funding of the effort by the NEA,"
Posted by: adamthemad at March 30, 2008 05:04 PM (5rfmC)
27 I love my guns more than you do, but I'm not going to lose any sleep over Robert Mapplethorpe being exhibited (in fact, I've paid admission).
You need an overriding goal. Some people's is Conservatism. Mine is Liberty. They ain't the same.
This is true. When so-called conservatives are willing to spend lots of tax dollars to enforce their version of 'moral values', conservatism does not = liberty.
In the video, he assumes that high schools that teach abstinence produce students who work harder and accomplish more in the long term. But statistically, that's not true. These abstinence programs are not only ineffective, they're expensive.
I agree that when a society believes it has to tolerate everything, it becomes less likely to defend anything. Not being willing to pass judgment on obviously criminal behavior, wanting to believe that each and every human being has a good and rational reason to do what they do is a weakness that is probably endemic to liberalism.
But the left doesn't own the tactic of using the state to enforce their version of morality. And the left doesn't own the tactic of appeasing terrorists. The last time I checked, Condi Rice and James Baker were not leftists.
Posted by: Mary at March 30, 2008 05:19 PM (28mPO)
28 This was garbage and on the intellectual level of Sean Hannity's constant "are you a fool or a liar" schtick. Some liberals are as insidious as Sayet says but most are just left-wing because they saw it on TV or heard it in school.
Posted by: Garbage at March 30, 2008 07:28 PM (9cSdG)
29 Ace was right -- I watched the firs 5 minutes and was hooked, what a great vid and great speech!
Posted by: Richard Romano at March 30, 2008 07:56 PM (GpwqX)
30 Cut the crap. Maple-Pervo's "art" was freely on display in Cincinnati. I went to see what the hubub was all about. It was disgusting.
Posted by: Tinian at March 30, 2008 08:05 PM (1Mq7K)
31 "When so-called conservatives are willing to spend lots of tax dollars to enforce their version of 'moral values'..."
Posted by: Mary
Yeah, because all the contraception based sex education (at younger and younger age levels)we have paid for has worked so well!
Posted by: John F Not Kerry at March 30, 2008 08:27 PM (4gHqM)
32 Whether you're teaching abstinence or teaching condoms, either way you're teaching morals. I'm not big on teaching either (I'm not sure why we need sex education at all - it's pretty easy to figure out what to do), but it's garbage when the left says the right is trying to inject morality into sex education. It's already there.
Posted by: Ted K. at March 30, 2008 09:28 PM (exWY4)
33 Ah, one of my favorite lies. The linked article talks about the ineffectiveness of abstinence ONLY programs, then Mary claims it says that "abstinence programs are ineffective". The next step is to claim that it's pointless to try to talk teenagers out of sex, so just teach them how to be safe--as if that's actually possible.
The article actually says:
two-thirds of the programs that included abstinence education along with instruction about contraceptives "had positive behavioral affects,'' including delays in initiating sex, less frequent sex and a significant reduction in unprotected sex.
Posted by: MamaAJ at March 30, 2008 09:57 PM (X6Zdh)
34 These abstinence programs are not only ineffective, they're expensive.
Yes, they cost more than $200 million. But teen pregnancy costs taxpayers $9.1 billion.
Posted by: geoff at March 30, 2008 10:07 PM (YYa0A)
35 Whether you're teaching abstinence or teaching condoms, either way you're teaching morals. I'm not big on teaching either
That's true. Both subjects are taking time away from teaching kids things they should be learning in school - things like history, math, how to write a resume, how to balance a checkbook. The public schools were founded to educate people to be productive citizens and intelligent voters - not to make them self-actualized or good Christians.
(yes, I was just watching 'John Adams')
Posted by: Mary at March 30, 2008 11:53 PM (28mPO)
I hate being wrong!
Posted by: Stoop Davy Dave at March 31, 2008 01:03 AM (WirW3)
37 That's true. Both subjects are taking time away from teaching kids things they should be learning in school - things like history, math, how to write a resume, how to balance a checkbook. The public schools were founded to educate people to be productive citizens and intelligent voters - not to make them self-actualized or good Christians.
And that, Mary, is the true conservatve position.
I think you are confusing Republican and conservative.
Posted by: captkidney at March 31, 2008 11:08 AM (9UaBN)
38 Wow, that was amazing, and you were right, one can't stop watching it. But I reject it utterly, because his brilliant exposition implicitly promotes the stereotype that Jews are highly intelligent, and we can't have that.
Posted by: Splunge at March 31, 2008 12:44 PM (NhFwQ)
39 You lost me.
I was new to your blog and was having fun reading your take on the issues and then I see this: "...those who dislike our country think and what motivates them." So you assume anyone liberal hates america? Congratulations, you have joined the ranks of the other ideologues and dogmatists who assume that anyone who disgrees with them is evil. Stop being childish, leave that to t.v. and radio personalities, and you will command a great deal more respect.
Posted by: Fry at April 01, 2008 12:12 PM (xK4nT)
40 The schools, universities, and television all want to "tear down what is good" and "build up what is evil"? That is the most absurd, paranoid, fear-mongering, conspiratorial, hate-mongering, short sighted, jack-assery I have ever heard. This man needs to pull his head from out his buttocks.
Posted by: Libertarian Listener at April 01, 2008 12:34 PM (xK4nT)
41 This should be entitled "How Republicans Think" to outline the utter stupidity and absurd persecution complex of the modern day wing-nut.
Posted by: ReAl at April 01, 2008 12:36 PM (xK4nT)
42 Hey "Fry," "Libertarian Listener," and "ReAl" (ah, but I repeat myself), your Introduction to Sock-Puppet Theatrics course didn't cover the chapter on hashmarks, did it?
Posted by: Stoop Davy Dave at April 01, 2008 01:15 PM (E5aMz)
Posted by: Entropy at April 01, 2008 02:50 PM (m6c4H)
44 And I would have gotten away with it too if it wasn't for you meddling kids!
No, seriously, this video is evidence of a severe mental disorder, get yourselves checked out.
Posted by: Puppet Master at April 03, 2008 12:01 PM (xK4nT)
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George Bush Slices Don Rumsfeld Like an F*ckin' Hammer
Top Top Tens
Democratic Forays into Erotica
New Shows On Gore's DNC/MTV Network
Nicknames for Potatoes, By People Who Really Hate Potatoes
Star Wars Euphemisms for Self-Abuse
Signs You're at an Iraqi "Wedding Party"
Signs Your Clown Has Gone Bad
Signs That You, Geroge Michael, Should Probably Just Give It Up
Signs of Hip-Hop Influence on John Kerry
NYT Headlines Spinning Bush's Jobs Boom
Things People Are More Likely to Say Than "Did You Hear What Al Franken Said Yesterday?"
Signs that Paul Krugman Has Lost His Frickin' Mind
All-Time Best NBA Players, According to Senator Robert Byrd
Other Bad Things About the Jews, According to the Koran
Signs That David Letterman Just Doesn't Care Anymore
Examples of Bob Kerrey's Insufferable Racial Jackassery
Signs Andy Rooney Is Going Senile
Other Judgments Dick Clarke Made About Condi Rice Based on Her Appearance
Collective Names for Groups of People
John Kerry's Other Vietnam Super-Pets
Cool Things About the XM8 Assault Rifle
Media-Approved Facts About the Democrat Spy
Changes to Make Christianity More "Inclusive"
Secret John Kerry Senatorial Accomplishments
John Edwards Campaign Excuses
John Kerry Pick-Up Lines
Changes Liberal Senator George Michell Will Make at Disney
Torments in Dog-Hell
The Ace of Spades HQ Sex-for-Money Skankathon
A D&D Guide to the Democratic Candidates
Margaret Cho: Just Not Funny
More Margaret Cho Abuse
Margaret Cho: Still Not Funny
Iraqi Prisoner Claims He Was Raped... By Woman
Wonkette Announces "Morning Zoo" Format
John Kerry's "Plan" Causes Surrender of Moqtada al-Sadr's Militia
World Muslim Leaders Apologize for Nick Berg's Beheading
Michael Moore Goes on Lunchtime Manhattan Death-Spree
Milestone: Oliver Willis Posts 400th "Fake News Article" Referencing Britney Spears
Liberal Economists Rue a "New Decade of Greed"
Artificial Insouciance: Maureen Dowd's Word Processor Revolts Against Her Numbing Imbecility
Intelligence Officials Eye Blogs for Tips
They Done Found Us Out, Cletus: Intrepid Internet Detective Figures Out Our Master Plan
Shock: Josh Marshall Almost Mentions Sarin Discovery in Iraq
Leather-Clad Biker Freaks Terrorize Australian Town
When Clinton Was President, Torture Was Cool
What Wonkette Means When She Explains What Tina Brown Means
Wonkette's Stand-Up Act
Wankette HQ Gay-Rumors Du Jour
Here's What's Bugging Me: Goose and Slider
My Own Micah Wright Style Confession of Dishonesty
Outraged "Conservatives" React to the FMA
An On-Line Impression of Dennis Miller Having Sex with a Kodiak Bear
The Story the Rightwing Media Refuses to Report!
Our Lunch with David "Glengarry Glen Ross" Mamet
The House of Love: Paul Krugman
A Michael Moore Mystery (TM)
Liberal Consistency and Other Myths
Kepler's Laws of Liberal Media Bias
John Kerry-- The Splunge! Candidate
"Divisive" Politics & "Attacks on Patriotism" (very long)
The Donkey ("The Raven" parody)