1 Hate to sound like a broken record, but Transformers proved that people are willing to see movies where the American military (and SecDef) are the good guys, though it's not *technically* a war film.

Also, some Hollywood types can set aside their ideology to make a buck-- it's my understanding that Michael Bay is pretty liberal, but the Armed Forces are more than willing to work with him to make a film that presents us in a good light. 

2 "No one wants to see Iraq war movies." He left off "...that suck and attack America."

3

I'm gonna have to dig up some research on the numbers for stop/loss policy. The trailer shows a grunt of some sort getting stop/lossed, like the day before he ETS's. My understanding of the policy as executed is that it is usually folks that are in critically short MOS's that have an enlistment that would normally end mid tour are being stop/lossed to stay with their unit through deployment.

Any of the active duty folks here wanna enlighten me?

And yeah, the movie is gonna tank. It's not like it is in any way original. I'm sure the protaganist is portrayed as a noble fella. And the Army is shown as a horrible unfeeling Borg like entity with no sense of honor or decency. How many times to you have to show the "little guy stands up to big interests" movie?

4 Here's two free hints to Hollywood:

1-Americans don't hate America the way you do

2-If you want to make a successful movie about either Iraq or Afghanistan, start by reading Blackfive.net's 'Someone you should know' section. There's plenty of source material there.

If any Hollywood types are reading this (yeah, not bloody likely) and want more tips, it's gonna cost you.

5

Phillipe should stick with gay porn

Its more his speed

6 Just wait until Oliver Stone's picture on Bush comes out. He says it's not meant to be a hatchet job but just the story about how a drunk drugged out bum becomes the president of the US.  (I think Ollie is projecting a bit.)

7 I'm not surprised by this at all.  Also, I have a question.  There's a line in the trailer that goes something along the lines of "I lived up to my commitment and I want them to live up to theirs".  It's my understanding that those who enlist are made aware that stop loss measures can be put into place.  I may be wrong about that, but if so, then the entire "heroic" gesture simply isn't.

8 And yes, the 8 year contract is something we tell all recruits. It isn't something we used as a selling point, but they knew about it before we sent them to MEPS. No point in getting a guy all the way up there just to have them back out over it.

9

What is this, the 7th anti- or quasi-anti war film in the last 3 years? 

It's obvious that the major studios are not making these movies for a profit so when are they going to be officially catagorized as paid political ads?  When does all of this run afoul of McCain-Feingold?

 

10 Also I love Joseph Gordon-Levitt, The Lookout and Brick are two of my all time favorite movies, but I'm not at all surprised that he's in this movie.  He's on my list of actors whose work I admire but whose views I detest. 

11 It's my understanding that those who enlist are made aware that stop loss measures can be put into place.

alexthechick,

Exactly.  This movie either doesn't know or doesn't care that it's entire premise is bullshit.

I gather stop-loss was a bit of a shock to some people in 2002/2003 but in the 6+ years we've been in Afghanistan and 5 years in Iraq, just about everybody in the military has either jointed or re-enlisted in that time. To say that it's still a shock to a serviceman or woman at this point is to assume they are retarded, which of course is exactly what Hollywood thinks of them.

12 My favorite part of the linked review is the comment section.  I cannot believe that Ace hasn't posted on Leno asking Philippe to look into the camera and give his "gayest" look.  That's some good crazy right there.  I have been in tears since reading that.

13 To say that it's still a shock to a serviceman or woman at this point is to assume they are retarded, which of course is exactly what Hollywood thinks of them.

Yes, that was my exact thought, I mean, I do understand why someone would be upset about it but I got the impression from the trailer that this was coming as a total shock.  Which is just insulting to everyone.

As far as the Michael Bay thing, I vaguely recall reading an interview where he said that he doesn't like politics in films and he's not interested in going down that route.  Like I said, I only vaguely recall this and it might not have been him.  But Bay's movies really are about making a lot of shit blow up a really lot.  And, really, isn't that all that's good in life?

14  But Bay's movies really are about making a lot of shit blow up a really lot.  And, really, isn't that all that's good in life?

Indeed. I really loved Transformers.

15 I just really like the hot chick in Transformers. She managed to make me transform- in my pants.

16

The fact that the heros of the movie can be seen in the trailers whining about being stop lossed and accusing the govt of lying to them couldnt have anything to with the poor showing could it?

 

 

17 Indeed. I really loved Transformers.

It's like they made a movie just for me!  Hot cars, hot chicks, alien robots blowing shit up.  Seriously, it could only have been better if there were some zombies and possibly a tsunami and/or volcanic eruption and/or earthquake.  I assume that will be in the sequel.  

18 But Bay's movies really are about making a lot of shit blow up a really lot.  And, really, isn't that all that's good in life?

Wrong!

19 It took all I had not to bust out laughing at the trailer. The dialogue is wretched; the protagonists affect a tone of blue-state patriotism that is clearly done to pander to the audience; and it's credited to the director of "Boys Don't Cry" which, as I remember, was a badly-written and offensive yarn of a lesbian who dresses in drag to seduce a straight girl (and most offensive to gays themselves, I would dare to say).

I hope for bankrupcies, firings and you-will-never-work-in-this-town-agains for every tool involved in this abomination.

20 from Drew's movie review link
If our military was as stupid as portrayed in the movie, casualties in Iraq would be ten-times what they are.

and

Nothing about the story, characters, or their relationships is for a moment believable. The melodramatics are often outright laughable and always clichéd. Should some brave soul decide to give these dreadful films an Airplane-style skewering they can lift the post traumatic stress scenes wholesale from Stop-Loss and be assured big laughs.

I'd actually pay to see a documentary of the movie makers discussing their great and deep ideas producing a movie like this that I imagine would be an automatic "Airplane-style skewering " too.

21

You know-I wish someone would remake "the Caine Mutiny" where it looks like the military is all effed up and the commander is a lunatic and then Jose Ferrer comes in and tells everyone what a gang of assholes they have all been.

I'd bet that more people still watch it on AMC than will ever see "Stop-Loss".

22

Hollywood still has their head up their collective butts.  So do a lot in this country.

23 I wish someone would remake "the Caine Mutiny"

Oh Hells Noes.

Don't remake it, re-release it. There's nothing wrong with that move just the way it is.

24

I wish someone would remake The Eagle Has Landed myself.

Of course, the remake would be a truther film, focusing on how the American Rangers let the fake Churchill die as part of an international zionist conspiracy.

25

Drew:

"You don't work with the captain because of his hairstyle, but because he's got the job, or you're no good."

Professional military guys (and probably most conservatives) understand Ferrer's speech, but the Hollywierd types-not so much.

26 tsunami and/or volcanic eruption and/or earthquake.

Can we have another mega-meteorite? 'Cause that never gets old for me.

27 I think for me Transformers is proof that Michael Bay learned his lesson from Pearl Harbor, and he hopefully does not make that mistake again.

28 Can we have another mega-meteorite? 'Cause that never gets old for me.

I dream of the day when someone makes the mega-meteorite hitting the earth setting off the New Madrid fault line AND a Yellowstone eruption, leading to massive tsunamis that take out NY and LA followed by some type of radioactive leak causing zombie megalodons to terrorize the remaining plucky survivors who are led by Vin Diesel, Milla Jovovich, Bruce Willis and Kate Beckinsale.  Now that?  Would be a good movie. 

29

CavMedic,

Maybe it's my bias for the Air Force, but The Caine Mutiny is nothing near as good as 12 O'Clock High (http://youtube.com/watch?v=yVbnDBBtg3I&feature=related).

30

Hollywood sees itself as carrying out a very important mission, which is making sure that the image of America is one of a nation of pathetic fluffers, instead of the real nation whose idealistic young people volunteer to fight to free millions from tyranny and terrorism.

And since Hollywood has so many more actors that can handle the fluffer roles than the hero roles, they really don't have much choice.

31 to terrorize the remaining plucky survivors who are led by Vin Diesel, Milla Jovovich, Bruce Willis and Kate Beckinsale.

Damn. I almost asked for Vin instead of the meteor. You and me? We're on the same page.

Now get out of my head.

32

I dream of the day when someone makes the mega-meteorite hitting the earth setting off the New Madrid fault line AND a Yellowstone eruption, leading to massive tsunamis that take out NY and LA followed by some type of radioactive leak causing zombie megalodons to terrorize the remaining plucky survivors who are led by Vin Diesel, Milla Jovovich, Bruce Willis and Kate Beckinsale.  Now that?  Would be a good movie. 

 

Don't forget that it was a Haliburton satellite that caused the mega-meteorite to hit because they wanted to eliminate the competition/gain market share/get the government (no-bid)  contracts to rebuild.

 

But yeah, gimme some Kate and Milla and I'm all in.

33 The EJS-it's similar in a lot of respects.  Gregory Peck finally cracks under the strain of command.  He has to make a lot of tough decisions and it costs him personally-but he doesn't shrink from his duty.  The other side of that coin is that his troops owe him a fairly high degree of defference and loyalty.  Again-I think most Hollywood execs would have difficulty grasping that.

34 I decided to check a review to see if this is as anti-american as most of the Hollywood iraq movies.

This is the first review I found, it said:

""Stop-Loss" is a highly patriotic film, if you happen to dream of the restored caliphate as you sleep in your Osama bin Laden pajamas."

35

Caine Mutiny and 12 O'clock High were two different films. 12 showed the strain on commanders in what was pretty much a slaughterhouse.

Cain showed that even when Van Johnson et al. did what they had to do, they were still wrong. A no win situation. Both great films, but I'll go with 12.

Would've been better with some Kate Beckingsdale in it tho.

36
I hope for bankruptcies, firings and you-will-never-work-in-this-town-agains for every tool involved in this abomination.

You realize, of course, that this means it will be up for eight Oscars.

I dream of the day when someone makes the mega-meteorite hitting the earth setting off the New Madrid fault line AND a Yellowstone eruption, leading to massive tsunamis that take out NY and LA followed by some type of radioactive leak causing zombie megalodons to terrorize the remaining plucky survivors who are led by Vin Diesel, Milla Jovovich, Bruce Willis and Kate Beckinsale.  Now that?  Would be a good movie.

I'd pay the 12$/a ticket my local vomitorium/movie theater is charging to watch it. I'd even buy popcorn, instead of sneaking in my own.

37 I'm waiting for the Dave in Texas review of this POS myself. Seeing the soldiers in the trailer portrayed as whiny asses didn't piss me off nearly as bad as the fact that they were portrayed as Texans.

Want to see how a real Texan feels about this kind of stuff, Hollyweird? Make a movie out of Marcus Luttrell's Lone Survivor.

38

Brad-think of the Caine as Peck's next command (remember Queeg had already been fighting in the Atlantic for a couple of years before he came to the Caine).  He (Peck) would be damaged goods and might crack again-just like Queeg-but there is a lot his subordinates might do to to support him to see to it that he doesn't crack. 

But the officers of the Caine failed to do that-which is the point of Ferrer's big speech at the end.  I think both films have a lot to say about the dynamics of command and the superior/subordinate relationship-but I also honeslty believe that much of that would be lost on today's Hollywood bosses.

Beckinsale could play Mae in the remake.

39 Don't forget that it was a Haliburton satellite that caused the mega-meteorite to hit because they wanted to eliminate the competition/gain market share/get the government (no-bid)  contracts to rebuild.

Crap.  I knew I forgot something. 

40 Exactly how many "losses" does hollwood have to endure before they "stop" this crap?

41 Cav- good point. Long time since I saw CM. Still liked 12 better tho.

42

Sorry but I thought Ferrer was an asshole at the end because he couldn't possibly know what they went through.  That and I hate lawyers.

43 I'd bet that more people still watch it on AMC than will ever see "Stop-Loss".

Yeesh.  I don't watch SHIT on AMC.  Ted Turner may be a lefturd, but TMC is the bees knees.

They just showed Caine Mutiny last week or so.

44

Poly-"That and I hate lawyers."

Even Ewok Attorneys?

45 Ted Turner may be a lefturd, but TMC is the bees knees.

But he doesn't own it anymore. I am sure he still has boat loads of Time Warner stock but he's not invovled anymore.

Enjoy the movies guilt free!

46 How about Prayer For The Assassin, by Robert Ferrigno? That would make a great Hollywood movie. I bet Ferrigno's phone rings day and night from executives asking for the movie treatment.... not.

Actually, they'd just make it a Matt Damon movie about Nazis. So I'm glad they haven't asked...

47

I wish I was better at insults - I'm not even good at stealing them - because there are some things I'd like to say about Ryan Phillipe.  He just seems like an unappeling mix of pussy and asshole.  I kinda appreciate some of the things he's trying to say here, but still...come on.  (Not really worth clicking, just figured I should show some basis for my argument.)

Also,
Want to see how a real Texan feels about this kind of stuff, Hollyweird? Make a movie out of Marcus Luttrell's Lone Survivor.

Geez, I don't know how I became Peter Berg's PR girl, but yeah, he's set to direct that very movie.  Of course, I haven't heard any updates since August, and Berg's politics seem to be up and down (he's the guy who directed The Kingdom), but it just might be a good, and respectful, movie.

48

Even Ewok Attorneys?

That depends if they have banning power or not.  So the answer to your question is NO, they're teh greatest.

 

49 Seriously, I wish we'd just have one respectful movie of the Black Hawk Down/We Were Soldiers variety. Supposedly Bruce Willis was once interested in doing something with Michael Yon's stuff in Mosul, but I don't think anything's come of it. The amount of money it would make would spin heads.

50

thanks to David Ross for the mention

Hollywood got a first read of Prayers for the Assassin and the followup, Sins...

my film agent said she never got such fast response, producers calling to tell her they loved loved loved the book, read it in one sitting, but there was no way they would even show it to the studio they had production deals with. one big budget producer toldher "no one wants to spend 150 million dollars and be pissing themselves the whole time wondering how many bomb threats the premiere would draw."

fuck em

Robert Ferrigno

 

 

51 Here's an idea for the hollywood folks:  Just set Keith Olbermann in a room with a cardboard stand-up of Bush, tell him to act natural, and film the results.  It'll make the same points as these crappy movies on a lower budget, and actually make a profit.

52 Mary #47, thanks for the info. Marcus Luttrell's speaking at a charity event I'm hosting in Boston in May, and I'll get an update from him.

53 >>Exactly how many "losses" does hollwood have to endure before they "stop" this crap?

Bah. It's far easier for Hollywood to simply scream "Piracy!" due to the lack of movie patron interest than it is for them to produce films that are neither sub-moronic nor self-indulgent left-wing turds.

54 Maybe this isn't for Americans. Perhaps, in a globalized world, it's just a covert, pseudo-respectable way of making hate-films for a large market niche: to wir, European leftist, Russian fascists, Islamic crytpo-fascists, the Chinese and North Korean governments, etc.

55

The print version of today's San Diego Tribune had a review of this trash that actually tried to spin it as PRO troop.  Bunch of fucking leftards.

56 Even back in the mid-70's it was made pretty clear to me that there'd be an IR term of maybe 7 years (don't recally exactly what anymore) and that I could be recalled at any point during that for any reason.

57 Joe Z, that's exactly what is going on here.

We need an export tax on overseas sales of copyrighted material. I don't see how it's in our interest for private citizens to agitate foreign audiences into despising us.

58

Actually, they manage to say quite a bit.

They speak quite a bit, perhaps, but they do not say anything.

59
A few years back Robert Altman re-made "Caine Mutiny" as a made-for-tv movie. It starred Eric Bogasian in the Jose Ferrer role. It wasn't very good.

60 From the other comments and reviews going around, the producers seem to have screwed this one up pretty badly. Those who are not anti-war are walking out before the film ends because of the stereotypes and offensive behavior, and the anti-war types are walking out unhappy because of the ending.

Didn't Evan Sayet say something about Liberals always siding with that which is wrong or failed, because they reject the very attempt to be right or successful as discriminatory?

I think it's more complicated than that, but it sure explains a lot.

61

Posted by: alexthechick at March 29, 2008 02:39 PM (jWNHD)

 

Not quite that drastic, but if you like cannibal gangs roaming around a post-comet strike Earth, try Lucifer's Hammer by Niven and Pournelle.

A bit dated, but still a great read.

 

 

 

62 Maybe this isn't for Americans.

These movies aren't making money overseas, either.

63 "I really loved Transformers."

Gah!  I sat all the way through it, just to prove that I could, then I was sorry I had.

64 " These movies aren't making money overseas, either."

Glad to hear it, I think.  Is it because they lack distribution deals, or audience appeal?  Foreign audience appeal, I mean.

65 Is it because they lack distribution deals, or audience appeal?

Well, it's not because of distribution problems. Everything American will be picked up in the european market.  

66

The Thunder Run has linked to this post in the -Web">Web'>Web Reconnaissance for 03/30/2008 A short recon of what’s out there that might draw your attention updated throughout the day…so check back often.

http://thunderrun.blogspot.com/2008/03/web-reconnaissance-for-03302008.html

67

"steve... sleeps in a foxhole drunkenly dug in his front yard"

Steve has become a "third world man".

Someday we all will be third world men  serving, and ahem, servicing the highly evolved ones e.g. eliot spritzer et al.

68 Crappy movies aren't any better for translation into another language. People don't like these movies because they are like a Jack Chick tract on how George Bush sucks.

69 I linked Christopher's absolutely awesome comment.

70 Well, the link from my blog to the comment worked, the link from my comment above didn't.

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