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McCain's Speech on Foreign Policy/Open Thread

I'm going to see if I can track down a copy of the written speech because it's pretty damn good. So far he's simply talked about how awful war is -- and damn eloquently, I have to say.

In political terms, it's hard to peg McCain as a "warmonger" given his personal experience with war, and the serious, adult noting of the horrors of it.

In related news, Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton once read a bumper sticker reading, "War is dangerous for people and trees and other living things."

Ugh. Ending "torture" of terrorists. Closing Guantanamo. Risks of global warming have no borders.

Sometimes McCain almost lets me forget what a preening buffoon he is.

Posted by: Ace at 12:13 PM



Comments

1 "Ugh. Ending "torture" of terrorists. Closing Guantanamo. Risks of global warming have no borders."

Wait -- Maverick said these things in his speech, right?

It's impossible to tell these days.  About the only plus with McAmnesty is that he isn't, as far as we know, a race warrior -- though honestly, he might as well be.

Posted by: someone at March 26, 2008 12:24 PM (2z2WN)

2 Wow, McCain just keeps trying to keep me from voting for him.

Everytime I work up a smidgen of enthusiasm for him he crushes it.

Global warming, yeesh.

Posted by: rinseandspit at March 26, 2008 12:25 PM (CFR/S)

3 Yep. That's the stuff that drives me crazy. How much of this will we have to endure if he's president?

Posted by: Gabriel at March 26, 2008 12:28 PM (9wqGc)

4

MCPO Airedale put it better in a long-ago thread than i ever could:

(And i hope he doesn't mind me lifting his post.)

Mr. Airedale:

Johnny Mac is a 5 percenter. As the son of an Admiral, Naval Academy
graduate and Naval Aviator, he has all of the bad elements that his
background can engender and very few of the good.

Single seat pilots need confidence bordering on cockiness to be
successful - Ask Colonel Jerry. But, there is a large difference
between being cocky about your skills in the cockpit and being an
privileged, arrogant prick. About 5% of pilots, who are Academy grads,
fall into this category. Once they make up their mind about something,
don't confuse them with the facts. They treat subordinates with utter
disdain. Every disagreement becomes an assault on their personal
character. They ensure their own comfort and safety before that of
their men. Sailors do not follow them out of respect or admiration
but, merely in order to meet the mission.

Men like McCain have an ethical system far removed from that of you
and I. He is right and if you disagree with him, he'll use any tactic
to defeat you. His "winning" is the end through which every mean is
justified. His sense of privilege and righteousness is unbounded by
any other human concern. He is the smartest, toughest and most
honorable man in the room. Don't you dare question it, either!

His most glaring failure is the ability to "read" people. Anyone who
agrees with him is a wonderful, intelligent and ethical person. He
cannot comprehend how anyone cannot share his world view without
being, somehow, deeply flawed. Should you dare cross him, he will come after you with a vindictiveness that knows no bounds.

This is not the type of character profile that is suited for the
leader of a major political power or the leader of the most powerful
nation on the planet.

Posted by: jdub at March 26, 2008 12:28 PM (0t6Ct)

5

I dunno, I mean, what other options would President McCain have with Gitmo's prisonsers?  He wouldn't set them free.  Would he set up some new offshore prison with the same rules, as a kind of shell game?  Would he make sure they got civilian trials?  (Maybe he'd have them summarily executed!!!!11!one!!!exclamtion!)

Anyway, does he offer an actual alternative?  I *think* he's just posturing without intending to change anything.

Posted by: Some Guy at March 26, 2008 12:28 PM (lPxkl)

6

Watching the speech as I type... This guy is a piece of work.  I've no doubt that he'll keep up the good fight in the Iraq, but I don't think he'll do much to the governments in the middle east who support terror and creeping shari'a.  He's going to befriend the Palestinians and the Syrians and the Turks and the Saudi's.  He'll ignore the "kill the jews" garbage that these rabid animals spew everyday on the teevee.  In the end, he'll do to Israel what Obama did to his own grandmama.

So yes... we'll stay in Iraq and Afganistan... but the Mexicans will be colonizing throughout the south from the moment he's sworn in and there won't be a damn thing we can do about it.  Sad, considering his own home state is practically a war zone itself.

At that's the good candidate... just think about how much worse it's going to be if a Dem wins: total Dhimmitude.

UGH!!!!!

 

 

Posted by: Gartrip at March 26, 2008 12:29 PM (6c0zI)

7  Some Guy, I disagree. He's been unambiguous about closing Guantanamo Bay and short-circuiting the military commissions. That's a problem for me.

Posted by: Gabriel at March 26, 2008 12:31 PM (9wqGc)

8 I would prefer he do what at some of the Europeans are doing global warming.  Talk a bunch of shit - then do nothing. 

Then 10 years later, when the consensus that this is all bullshit, we can stop pretending.

Posted by: IreneFingIrene at March 26, 2008 12:34 PM (FCGJ9)

9 That's it! I'm done. I not voting for McCain, so unless a candidate that I can vote for starts an independent campaign I'm not voting in the upcoming election. Let the folks pick the instrument of their demise, dead is dead to me.

Posted by: Dennis at March 26, 2008 12:36 PM (HPd5W)

10 Just when you start thinking it's almost possible to like the guy, he has to go turning back into Manboreprig.

Posted by: Paul Zrimsek at March 26, 2008 12:36 PM (0sVlQ)

11 Ugh. Ending "torture" of terrorists. Closing Guantanamo. Risks of global warming have no borders.

Ugh is right. He also made some asinine lip service comment about closing the border and  talked about how illegal immigrants are "God's children." No, they're not. They are "God's Mexican children."

Then 10 years later, when the consensus that this is all bullshit, we can stop pretending.

Unfortunately, we will be onto the next totally made up leftard "we are all going to die!" doomsday scenario.

Posted by: Mack at March 26, 2008 12:38 PM (QG9YU)

12 Why, when Clinton and Obama are destroying each other, would this guy even open his mouth?  He should be in cryofreeze stasis or a hyperbaric chamber anyhow.

Posted by: tachyonshuggy at March 26, 2008 12:41 PM (IVUjc)

13 The best reason to vote GOP is the Democrat Party.  Maverick's candidacy is going to elevate that truism to a Law of Nature, like gravity, by the time he's through nauseating us.

Posted by: Fred at March 26, 2008 12:47 PM (ivbbD)

14 Does McCain hate furriners worse than he hates conservatives?

Posted by: ricpic at March 26, 2008 12:51 PM (o03rx)

15

Rush is going to have a field day with this one.  I'm turning him on now.

So while the Dems are on the verge of an all out civil war, the Republicans are finally in a position to waltz into the White House and THIS is who we're sending.  It's disgusting!  I cannot believe that my Republican brothers and sisters have done this to our great country.  This really is Rome, and the Muslim hordes are on their way in and all we can worry about is global "warming", gay marriage, and the right to kill babies.  We deserve whatever we get.

 

 

 

Posted by: Gartrip at March 26, 2008 12:52 PM (6c0zI)

16

Posted by: Dennis at March 26, 2008 12:36 PM (HPd5W)

You know, you still can vote in the election and not cast a vote for the president.  Because likely you've got a chance of voting for a conservative congressmen and possibly senator,  that would be important to have voted for.  People talking about staying home because they don't want to vote for McAmnesty are really going to cause a problem.  Besides the guarantee that there will be a douchebag in the Oval Office, they're giving a better guarrantee that they'll have a Dem controlled congress willing to support their idiot ideas.

Posted by: buzzion at March 26, 2008 12:52 PM (Lrsi6)

17 Lord knows, even if a Dem gets in office, we'll survive as a nation.

But voting in McCain at least has the advantage of pounding yet another nail in the Dem national party coffin, so I'll vote for him, come Hell or high water.

Fucking Dems are like a crops blight. You save what you can if the face of the wrath of God.

Posted by: urthshu at March 26, 2008 12:53 PM (bFqDX)

18

GodDAMNit! I keep dragging myself to the altar, and McCain just kicks me in the crotch before I can take the vow.

The next President of the United States is going to suck. That's so depressing.

Posted by: S. Weasel at March 26, 2008 12:55 PM (rasT+)

19 "Besides the guarantee that there will be a douchebag in the Oval Office"

We know that already.

But yeah, people should go vote for local offices.  Write in Fred for Pres if you gotta.

Posted by: someone at March 26, 2008 01:00 PM (2z2WN)

20 There's really only one reason I'm voting for McCain - the left.

Can you imagine how dispirited and angry they'll be if they lose three in a row?  The wailing and gnashing of teeth will be epic and wondrous to behold.

Posted by: Slublog at March 26, 2008 01:02 PM (R8+nJ)

21 Well at least we'll have (maybe) saved Iraq for "managed" world economic growth.

Posted by: MlR at March 26, 2008 01:02 PM (mX6h5)

22 McCain says "Whether Al Qaeda was in Iraq before the war is irrelevant." John McCain meet Yossef Bodansky.

Posted by: allen at March 26, 2008 01:02 PM (27Gpb)

23 I sensed a man ready to yield more and more sovereignty to the greater good whenever he grappled with anything other than the WoT. Not good and not surprising. Is he more enamored with globalism than Clinton or Obama? Probably not, but that is damning with faint praise. I'm just as disenchanted with him now as I was before his speech and recognize we'll probably have a moderate Democrat versus a socialist in the White House. But we've known that already.

On a stylistic front, I felt like I was listening to Johnny "Two Times" McCain. Quite a few lines, or parts of them anyway, were eloquently delivered. Twice.

Except for the Democrat infighting that is exposing the poison of victimology so embedded on the Left, I'm finding this term's election possibilities demoralizing. McCain's speech really didn't change my preconceived conclusions one bit.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at March 26, 2008 01:07 PM (Uy68a)

24 About our only hope as conservatives may be for Dem Armageddon to collapse them out of Congress.  But of course, Maverick would probably take that as a mandate for ramming amnesty, carbon taxes, and all that shit through.

Posted by: someone at March 26, 2008 01:10 PM (2z2WN)

25

Rush is talking about McCain right now... laughing at him for the fact that the media is now lashing out at McCain as if he's just another silly Republican. 

Poor McCain... he must be SO SHOCKED that the media really aren't his friends.  And he tried so hard!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Posted by: Gartrip at March 26, 2008 01:11 PM (6c0zI)

26 Is he more enamored with globalism than Clinton or Obama?

"We're all God's children."

Citizenship need not matter.

Put me down for seperation of Church and State!

Posted by: MlR at March 26, 2008 01:12 PM (mX6h5)

27

Slublog: second that. We're bound to endure four years of absurdity; at least I want to be able to rib the neighbors from a purely partisan standpoint. There's been no end of fun in reminding them, "We put our dumbest guy up against your smartest guy--twice--and won both times. Suck it."

 

 

Posted by: railwriter at March 26, 2008 01:13 PM (/ZX77)

28 "But of course, Maverick would probably take that as a mandate for ramming amnesty, carbon taxes, and all that shit through."

Bet on it. It's as certain as the sunrise.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at March 26, 2008 01:14 PM (Uy68a)

29 I've said it before, and I'll say it again: by this time next year, regardless of who wins, we'll all be pining for the good old days of George W. Bush.

Posted by: Brown Line at March 26, 2008 01:16 PM (VrNoa)

30 "Put me down for seperation of Church and State!"

Heh. Seconded.

I mean... RACIST!

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at March 26, 2008 01:17 PM (Uy68a)

31

"Ugh. Ending "torture" of terrorists."

Yes,

It's beyond my comprehension, how you reconsile "To provide for the common defense" by the elimination of a tool to accomplish it.

Posted by: franksalterego at March 26, 2008 01:18 PM (NgZ3T)

32 Finally living in one of the deepest blue states pays off! 

I can vote for some dumb 3rd party candidate or skip voting on the presidential line entirely without guilt.

Posted by: DrewM. at March 26, 2008 01:23 PM (hlYel)

33

He is right about torture and he can tie global-warming with energy independence. Global warming is probably just another scare (see: global cooling, over-population, aids, killer bees, SARS etc...), but energy independence is important and if he puts the two together everybody will have an interest in a new policy.

Posted by: bleh at March 26, 2008 01:31 PM (/InkS)

34 I sensed a man ready to yield more and more sovereignty to the greater good whenever he grappled with anything other than the WoT.

You jogged my memory. The other day he said something to the effect that when it comes to immigration,  he wants voters to know that he would do the right thing. I don't want him to do what he thinks is the right thing. I want him to do what we think is the right thing, which is build the damn fence. Why is this so fkn hard for pols to understand???

Posted by: Mack at March 26, 2008 01:37 PM (QG9YU)

35

Bleh:

I agree that the key to solving so many of our troubles is energy independence.  Unfortunately, McCain is like all the rest.  He doesn't have the balls to do what is needed: drill in ANWAR, the coast of Florida, and conquer parts of the middle east for better access to oil.  The Muslims have proven  that they can't run things without killing each other and raping their own women, so maybe it's time for some good ol' Colonialism.  We can claim Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, and the UAE... That should guarantee cheap oil for decades to come... AND it will finally put an end to creeping shari'a and the fall of Europe, which is only 8 - 10 yrs away.

  

Posted by: Gartrip at March 26, 2008 01:39 PM (6c0zI)

36

Where is he right about torture? Feeding those fat slobs (the terrorists) cold Chicken Orange is not torture.

 

 

Posted by: Dr.Remulak at March 26, 2008 01:58 PM (YmPwQ)

37

Yep... Rush is ripping McCain's speech.

called it "Kerry-esque" ... OUCH!

Thinks we should change the name of the country from USA to "New Europe"

__________________

So is there anyone out there interested in nominating a couple of states we could all occupy as authentic conservatives and then secede to start our own country.  I'm thinking Georgia and the Carolinas...

Posted by: Gartrip at March 26, 2008 02:24 PM (6c0zI)

38 #4 jdub: Where does that information come from? Does MCPO know him or did he serve with him? Sorry for my skepticism, but your comment sounds a little like one of those long-distance psych profiles I've seen lefties make on Bush. If I'm wrong about that I apologize.

Posted by: stace at March 26, 2008 02:30 PM (4x6iT)

39

"Where is he right about torture? Feeding those fat slobs (the terrorists) cold Chicken Orange is not torture."

 

Short-term: Counter insurgency is difficult. It is really, really difficult to make new friends to help you win the war as it is, and it is impossible to make new friends if you have already tortured them.

Long-term: If you torture a few people now it will become the norm later. We spend most of our time dealing with dictators who have conscripted armies and it makes things easier if they just surrender. They won't do that if they think we are going to torture them.

McCain was right when he went against the republican party and helped clarify the "no torture ever" policy in the US military.

Posted by: bleh at March 26, 2008 02:38 PM (/InkS)

40 Gartrip, you are probably joking,  but wouldn't colonialism mean we are dependent on a foriegn source of energy.

Posted by: bleh at March 26, 2008 02:40 PM (/InkS)

41

Hmm... I missed this speech.  However, I caught the end of his speech on the economy on FoxNews yesterday.  And I'd like to point out that almost every time I listen to you guys talk about McCain, my opinion of him goes down.  And nearly every time I listen to McCain himself speak, I like him better. Except that sometimes his voice and vocal mannerisms annoy me.  But on balance, I think he's an acceptable candidate for president.  I'm going to vote for him, and depending on what he says between now and then, I may do so with some measure of pride.

Posted by: Calix at March 26, 2008 02:45 PM (8d3U/)

42 McCain's four years as president will be just like the last eight, except worse.

The same old reneging on the 2nd Amendment, Border control, "Global Warming", etc., etc., etc.

But it beats the alternative.  So I, like the rest, will hold my nose and vote for McCain...

Posted by: thebronze at March 26, 2008 02:51 PM (N6OjT)

43

Sorry bleh, but I disagree with you and McCain on this.  We bloody well SHOULD torture terrorists for all of the following reasons.

1. Respect for international law: Terrorists wear no uniforms, follow no rules.  By giving them the protection of international law (Geneva convention, etc) we legitimize their breaking of the rules which only encourages more of the same.  Soldiers in uniform (Iraqi Army) are entitled to fair treatment from us.  Non uniformed terrorists are entitled to a bullet in the head after we are done with getting information out of them, and that's all.

2.  Information obtained by torture is necessary to save American lives.

3.  Torture with the aim of forcing terrorists to renounce Islam will have a deterrent effect: The promise of rewards in heaven will seem less appealing to future terrorists if they are forced to become apostates.

4. Torture is neccesary for public morale.  We are in this for the long term and people will lose hope of victory if terrorists are not known to be punished.

 

Posted by: BattleofthePyramids at March 26, 2008 02:52 PM (5/evw)

44 What is sad is that many, many Democrats will be more enthused and happy about voting for McCain than any of us. If we had a candidate with a shred of personality who was conservative, this would be a landslide.

Posted by: Bruce in SoCal at March 26, 2008 03:03 PM (J6hTO)

45

wtf? Torturing people is not good for public morale and nobody wants to make people renounce Islam via the water board. I never said that captured terrorists were entittled to protection under the geneva convention, but torture is off the table. 

The US military does not torture people. Not in the past, not now and not in the future. 

Posted by: bleh at March 26, 2008 03:10 PM (/InkS)

46 I agree, bleh. That's why I "ugh" at McCain's statement. Not because he's saying "no" to torture, but because he's implying that we're torturing people at Guantanamo Bay.

Posted by: Gabriel at March 26, 2008 03:12 PM (9wqGc)

47

Ugh. Ending "torture" of terrorists. Closing Guantanamo. Risks of global warming have no borders.

Sometimes McCain almost lets me forget what a preening buffoon he is.

Hunh... that never happens for me. Still not getting my vote, but I am enjoying the spectacle of this "Left, Lefter & Lefterer" presidential campaign.

Posted by: krakatoa at March 26, 2008 03:19 PM (7Tawn)

48 Close Gitmo? And send these perps where? To US prison, within the reach of US Trial Lawyers and the American Criminal Liberties Union? Is this rational?

Posted by: doc99 at March 26, 2008 03:24 PM (qbfCb)

49

"Close Gitmo? And send these perps where?"

Maybe we should throw them in the ocean on the way home.

No matter what happens with Gitmo, some sort of trial is necessary. I don't think they should be treated like citizens of the US, not counting the actual citizens locked up there, but we need to be sure that some legal process happens for each of them. 

Posted by: bleh at March 26, 2008 03:32 PM (/InkS)

50 He scares Hugo Chavez.  That's a plus.

Posted by: Mikey NTH at March 26, 2008 03:48 PM (O9Cc8)

51 Maybe we should throw them in the ocean on the way home.

 
That would be a good start. There are some hungry sharks in the Carribean.




Posted by: Dr. Remulak at March 26, 2008 04:00 PM (YmPwQ)

52 We should have held quick military commission, executed those who could easily be proven guilty of fighting out of uniform or being guilty of war crimes, and extradited those who couldn't be to their countries of origin (these countries, in  turn, would have freaked out and imprisoned those who were suspicious, instead of playing the current shell game where they run agit-prop against us to the delight of their populations, and refuse to take any responsibility).

Unfortunately, due to a combination of arrogance and "new-age" thinking we didn't do it. So now we're stuck with them and no easy way out.

Posted by: MlR at March 26, 2008 04:01 PM (mX6h5)

53

So while the Dems are on the verge of an all out civil war, the Republicans are finally in a position to waltz into the White House and THIS is who we're sending.  It's disgusting! 

Given "open primaries" manipulations, perhaps McCain really wasn't?

Posted by: Nick Byram at March 26, 2008 04:14 PM (ujg0T)

54 Railwriter #27 "We're bound to endure four years of absurdity"

After the last 16, it's getting kind of old.  Oops, I said "old," and we'll sure-hail be hearing THAT enough, after June.  If we're not already. 
Reading over these comments, I'm feeling pretty good about having missed this stupid speech.  Maybe if I manage to miss all of them, from now until November, I'll be able to get into the voting booth without wanting to throw up.  Well... without actually throwing up, I should say, because I already want to.

"We put our dumbest guy up against your smartest guy--twice--and won both times. Suck it."

Nyahaha!!  Now that's going to get repeated around here for the next few weeks!

Calix #41 "However, I caught the end of his speech on the economy on FoxNews yesterday."

I only heard the part about his solution to this stupid banking crisis, which, if the newsdweeb is to be believed is "essentially, do nothing."  only he said it in a way that indicated he approved of it.  I sure do.  Both Dims are proposing giant expensive government programs to prop up the failing banks, followed by more giant expensive government programs to more-tightly regulate the banks.  McCain, if I can trust him on this, is calling for the stupid banks to fail, and to let this act as a needed corrective on the surviving banks.  I actually own stock in one bank that's circling the drain, and still like this plan. 
     Not-quote-O.T.: Both Dims are also calling for giant expensive government programs to bail out the "small borrowers" who are, per them, compleeeeeeeetely blameless in creating their own messes.  Pfui!  Would it be too much to ask that anybody applying for this kind of relief should have to bring in their actual loan application paperwork plus proof of income (whether or not it was originally required at loan-making time), so that any applicant who took out a "liar's loan" can be summarily kicked to the curb? 

Posted by: Stoop Davy Dave at March 26, 2008 05:15 PM (wfnRV)

55

McCain's a big believer in nuclear power.  That's his big global warming policy prescription, and it's a sound one.

It wouldn't be bad to close Gitmo and move the terrorists to a new maximum security prison in Leavenworth.  It would be much cheaper, and the guards could be stationed with their families somewhere decent too.  Nobody would escape, but if one actually managed to somehow get out the KS farmboys would take care of it for us.

Posted by: funky chicken at March 26, 2008 05:43 PM (I+jPP)

56

Stoop: my husband heard that part and said to send McCain a donation.  Basically the gist of it was that taxpayers shouldn't be expected to bail out banks or individuals who did stupid or dishonest things with their mortgages.

I only heard the part about his solution to this stupid banking crisis, which, if the newsdweeb is to be believed is "essentially, do nothing."  only he said it in a way that indicated he approved of it.  I sure do.  Both Dims are proposing giant expensive government programs to prop up the failing banks, followed by more giant expensive government programs to more-tightly regulate the banks.  McCain, if I can trust him on this, is calling for the stupid banks to fail, and to let this act as a needed corrective on the surviving banks.  I actually own stock in one bank that's circling the drain, and still like this plan. 


 

Posted by: funky chicken at March 26, 2008 05:47 PM (I+jPP)

57

Maybe McCain will keel over before the convention and we can get someone with at least a working knowledge of conservatism.

Posted by: Ian S. at March 26, 2008 06:21 PM (p05LM)

58

"Maybe McCain will keel over before the convention and we can get someone with at least a working knowledge of conservatism."

Dumb fuck, go drink bleach.

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