1 At some point, somebody needs to sue one of these media outlets for libel.  The standard since New York Times v. Sullivan's been extremely high, but if this isn't "actual malice," described as publishing what you know to be false or acting with "reckless disregard for truth or falsehood," then I don't know what is.

2 Goebbels was right.

3

The only thing the MSM is good for is sports scores.

4 Oh, and lining birdcages and wrapping the fish you send to let them know where Luca Brasi is sleeping.

5

Im not so positive Hussein had nothing to do with 9-11

Whats so fucking hard to imagine about that?

THats what cracks me up- its a matter of faith for these cocksucking liars that a brutal middle eastern dictator, who we embarassed in 1990-who harbored well known terrorists, who gassed his own people- who repeatedly engaged in "destroy America" rhetoric, could possibly have had anything to do with the 2001 attacks.

Is it really that much of a stretch?

Of course not.

But we cant fuck up the narrative.

6

I'm going to guess, and I think from considering the business/corporate nature of newspapers and other media, that they do actually get together to plan out narratives like this.

How else to keep as consistent. Someone at that paper knows what is true and what is false and will be the supervisor-type person to remind people what is true and what is false, to be consistent and not embarrass the paper/media.

How fucked up is that...I'm sure that is how things work, it is a logical explanation.

7

I'm sick of media bias stories.  We've been going on about the liberal bias in the MSM since the 80's.  It's like death and taxes: we ain't never gonna be rid of it.

What makes these stories compelling now though is the sheer blatant nature of this bias, in some of the most respected rags the mainstream media has to offer.  They.Just.Don't.Care.Anymore.

Lets just put this stupid and outdated notion of "objective journalism" out of our collective misery.  One of the few things that I think we could take from European culture is the notion of very openly biased print media.  If you want the center-right news in Paris, you buy Le Figaro.  If you want the left wing news, you buy Le Monde.  Everybody knows exactly what you're getting.  No pretense of objectivity, although each is expected to carry the basic facts.

But the NYT and WaPo and LAT are going to have to learn to give up pretending to be something they're not: objective.  Its insulting to all of us to pretend they cover the news fairly.

8 At one time I subscribed both to the NYT and the LAT. Now, I will neither buy nor read either paper. I rarely click on their links to deny them advertising revenue. However, lost of revenue seems to have very little effect on them.

9 I have not studied American libel/slander/whateverucallit laws, but is there no way these guys can be sued for these deliberate lies?

10 FAITH. BASED. HISTORY.

11 That was me, above.

12 Liberal media's goal is the same as the sleazy attorney's goal known as "C.O.D."
This stands for Confuse, Obstruct, Delay.

13

IM actually looking forward to seeing what kind of crazy hysterical shit their gonna lay down in the summer/fall.

It will surely be epic in scope.

14 Hey, it's an election year, and we have a job to do.  If you say it enough, it becomes the truth.  Remember, we're the Deciders

15

Let's face it, years from now a video will be unearthed where Hussien hands off a briefcase to OBL, with "Hijacker's Guide" in red letters, and then gives him a great big kiss.  This 'stashe-locked bombshell of the century will be met with a collective yawn.

This movie plot twist isn't up to even M Night Shamalan's standands ... because it doesn't say anything about the characters that we don't already know.  The media can argue about Col. Mustard in the library with the candlestick, but everyone -- everyone has a nagging doubt about Professor Hockey Mask and Chainsaw.

And it isn't anything that would have convinced the anti-war people in the first place.

 

16

Tushar-

It's tried, and every now and then it works, but go back and check out New York Times Co. v. Sullivan (1964) to see when the media were essentially given legal protections rivaling that of kings (or Jacques Chirac). Here's the Wiki link...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_Times_Co._v._Sullivan

By the way- for any interested, most periodicals (and television, for that matter) are not subsidized by subscriptions and purchases- they're subsidized by advertising revenue. Eliminate that revenue and watch the product sink.

As a matter of interest- in late '06-early '07, due to slumping revenues, New York Times Co. had to sell off its 9 broadcasting stations to Oak Hill Capital Partners (the price tag was roughly $575 million- cheap for that many stations). NYT's stock price has an interesting chart...

http://www.corporate-ir.net/ireye/ir_site.zhtml?ticker=nyt&script=300

 

tmi3rd

17 #5 TMF: "Im not so positive Hussein had nothing to do with 9-11"

Oh that's crazy talk!  Why would anybody think that?  It's not like he abetted any earlier WTC attacks or anything! 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdul_Rahman_Yasin

18 Oh now I'm so embarassed!  I found an error in the Wiki article I posted above.  Look at this: "However, the United States government has not publicly tied the Hussein regime explicitly to Yasin's indictment for the 1993 attack."
   But but but that can't be right, because the L.A.Times just got done telling me for the 10,000th time that the Bush administration has been swearing up and down, continuously since 2001-09-11, that S.Hussein was behind it.  Silly me.

19

Hmmmmm

Friday, Dan Abrams spent a whole hour, calling for a "full and thorough investigation" into the breach of Cabana-Boy's passport files...

Then,

Keith Olbermann spent another whole hour, calling for a "full and thorough investigation" into the breach of Cabana-Boy's passport files...The Biggest Story since Watergate.

Today?

[chirp - chirp - chirp]

heh,heh,heh

20

#5

The 9/11 Commission declared they couldn't find proof of an operational connection between Saddam and al Qaeda. That doesn't exonerate Saddam. It just means we don't know, which is what Dick Cheney said.

Why does the MSM insist that it's impossible? After all, Clinton bombed the so-called aspirin factory because his national security people were convinced it was a joint operation between Saddam and al Qaeda to produce nerve gas. Clinton's SecDef Cohen, when he came before the 9/11 Commission, continued to maintain that the evidence was sound.

Clinton bombed Iraqi intelligence headquarters when it was discovered that Saddam had sent assassins to kill former President Bush. 

There are numerous bits of circumstantial evidence that point to cooperation.

So - besides partisan politics - why is it so hard to believe that Saddam and al Qaeda worked together against a common enemy?

21 You know, at some point "They're not even trying to hide it anymore" becomes old.  Let's face it. They've not even been trying to hide it for a very long time now.

22

I'll play devil's advocate:

But McCain openly disputed Bush administration claims that Hussein appeared linked to the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks. “I doubt seriously if there’s this close relationship between Al Qaeda and Saddam Hussein,” he told CBS News in September 2002.

Wasn't Cheney on a Sunday morning talk show back then talking up the alleged Prague meeting between a 9-11 al Qaeda operative and an Iraqi official?

23

Here's the left's spin CJ.  If you note, they cannot rule out the connections but only put forth that they cannot confirm them.  Its CYA.   In anyevent, the Checzh intelligence stand by their report.

http://www.fas.org/irp/congress/2005_cr/levin041505.html

24 Chzech = Chezch

25 Try 'Czech'.

26

Oh how I love walks down memory lane...

The United States also claims it had other evidence linking the plant with chemical weapons production. That evidence includes links between officials at the facility in Sudan and an Iraqi official who has been labeled by U.S. intelligence as "the father of Iraq's chemical weapons program."

The Iraqi, identified as Emad Al Ani, is said to have had extensive dealings with officials at the plant in the Sudanese capital of Khartoum.

And,

Saddam Hussein offered asylum

Iraqi President Saddam Hussein has offered asylum to bin Laden, who openly supports Iraq against the Western powers

Down the memory hole...

27

Morons, you can't sue the media for "slandering" or "libeling" the gummint. 

The First Amendment would be as worthless as a Politician's Promise if you could. 

 In virtually all scenarios, you have no legal standing to claim that someone else, let alone the gumment or its officials, is being libeled.

Deal with it.

But take heart: the MSM is dying a "death by a thousand cuts", as naked partisanship has eroded their credibility, and with it their readership, profitability, stock value, and market share.

 

 

28

On March 19, 2003 Bush sent a letter to the Congressional leadership in which he stated that the invasion of Iraq was permitted under legislation authorizing force against those who "planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001."

http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/03/19/sprj.irq.letter/

29 #19 "Friday, Dan Abrams spent a whole hour, calling for a "full and thorough investigation" into the breach of Cabana-Boy's passport files..
[...]
Keith Olbermann spent another whole hour, calling for a "full and thorough investigation" into the breach of Cabana-Boy's passport files..."

Has either of these douchenozzles, in the time since then, even attempted to climb down from this pinnacle? 
Or have they just relied on their viewers to forget about it?

30

On March 19, 2003 Bush sent a letter to the Congressional leadership 

Yes, that same Congressional leadership, Daschle, Kerry, Clinton, Edwards, Rockefeller, Feinstein, Torricelli, among others, voted that language into law.

As in:

Whereas Congress has taken steps to pursue vigorously the war on terrorism through the provision of authorities and funding requested by the President to take the necessary actions against international terrorists and terrorist organizations, including those nations, organizations, or persons who planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, or harbored such persons or organizations;

That is PUBLIC LAW 107–243

 

31

Luke,

The entire presidential letter is a quote from Section 3b of the Authorization of the Use of Force. You have to read the bill to get the context.

http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=107_cong_public_laws&docid=f:publ243.107

32

Here's the left's spin CJ.  If you note, they cannot rule out the connections but only put forth that they cannot confirm them.  Its CYA.   In anyevent, the Checzh intelligence stand by their report.http://www.fas.org/irp/congress/2005_cr/levin041505.html

But the 9-11/Czech claim means the LA Times is correct to say that the administration claimed "that Hussein appeared linked to the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks."

I'm getting tired of the wordplay on both sides of this...but the Times appears correct.

33

I agree with you CJ in that the administration provided circumstantial links between Al Queda and Iraq but at the same time they and the President specifically stated more than once that there is no claim or objective evidence to tie Iraq to 9/11.    As you know there is a difference between an Iraq / Al Queda link and an Iraq / 9/11 link.  The LA times would have you believe it all means the same.

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/140133_bushiraq18.html

34 Luke, you lying sack of codswallop.

The full sentence is "(2) acting pursuant to the Constitution and Public Law 107-243 is consistent with the United States and other countries continuing to take the necessary actions against international terrorists and terrorist organizations, including those nations, organizations, or persons who planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001."

In other words, you lied by cutting relevant language out of the quote, you stole words to make it look like someone said something they didn't, and that makes you a weasely motherfucker, a liar, a cheat, a bounder, and presumed guilty of soccage-in-feif and barratry on the high seas.

Worse than all that, you're acting like a journalist! For shame!

35

I agree with you CJ in that the administration provided circumstantial links between Al Queda and Iraq but at the same time they and the President specifically stated more than once that there is no claim or objective evidence to tie Iraq to 9/11.    As you know there is a difference between an Iraq / Al Queda link and an Iraq / 9/11 link.  The LA times would have you believe it all means the same.

polynikes,

The Prague meeting was alleged to have involved people linked to 9-11 intself.

A former Iraqi intelligence officer who was said to have met with the suspected leader of the Sept. 11 attacks has told American interrogators the meeting never happened, according to United States officials familiar with classified intelligence reports on the matter....

...Asked about links between Iraq and Al Qaeda, Mr. Cheney replied: ''With respect to 9/11, of course, we've had the story that's been public out there. The Czechs alleged that Mohamed Atta, the lead attacker, met in Prague with a senior Iraqi intelligence official five months before the attack, but we've never been able to develop any more of that yet either in terms of confirming it or discrediting it. We just don't know.''

Except that we do know.

36

Except that we do know

Oh we do, do we? Why do you say that?

Oh- now I see

A former Iraqi intelligence officer who was said to have met with the suspected leader of the Sept. 11 attacks has told American interrogators the meeting never happened, according to United States officials familiar with classified intelligence reports on the matter....

So the intel officer denied any meeting with Attah.

Well- that settles it then!!!

Pa-the-tic

37

Hey, whaddya know?

Apparently the Czechs stand 100% by their claim that Attah met with Iraqi intel in Prague.

http://www.praguepost.com/P02/2002/20605/news1a.php

Guess we dont know, now do we?

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