1 I love it when your angry.

2 Yike, that came off a bit gheyer than I intended it

3 Don't you think you're being a little hard on Barry?

4 Go get 'em, Tiger.

My first thought on reading the transcript is that it's a thin veneer of bullshit covering some pretty serious pathology.  The problem is that most people can't see past the thin veneer of bullshit.

I salute you in your attempt to force the matter.

5 Uh . . .

RACIST!

Um . . .

LOOK, SOMETHING SHINY OVER THERE!

6

^{the sermon delivered on Sunday, September 16, 2001}

Until you're dead or this finds someone to tell the story better, don't stop.

I'm tired of people giving him a pass because he was a Marine. Lee Harvey Oswald was a Marine. Does that make it right he assassinated a president? Had it been Wright with the rifle and GWB in the car, the left would say yes.

I can't speak for any Marines since I chose a different service path, but Wright's not a former Marine. He's an ex-Marine.

7 amen Ace!

8 Your ideas are intriguing to me and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.

9 I think Obama's speech might soothe those already in his camp, but he pissed off a LOT of people today.

One of my gut feelings when I read his speech was to think it was pretty impressive.  And it is, on the surface.  He hits notes that seem to be conciliatory, that seem to be empathetic to all points of view.  I thought that he'd weasel out of this.

I'm worried he still might, but seeing some of the reactions to the speech, and how people are tearing it apart and getting even *angrier*...well, let's just say some of my faith in humanity is being restored.

10 Here's my synopsis of his speech:

America’s basically good, but still has to work out it’s racial issues. Black people used to have it worse, and we need to acknowledge progress. No one’s perfect. I liked some things my minister did and didn’t like others. Sure he hated white people, but he had soup kitchens too. Plus, he’s like family. This is where Wright’s wrong: black people have problems primarily because of racism, but we need to get beyond blaming whitey. Also, someone like Wright doesn’t realize that white people have problems too because a lot of them are hard-working, poor, and buffeted by the forces of globalization, just like blacks. I’ve known bigoted black and white people and didn’t throw them under the bus for a single wayward remark (or in Wright’s case 20 years of highly refined incitement to racial arson). Also, I love my white mom, just in case anyone forgot about her.

Single issue explanations based on conspiracies about other races are not entirely accurate, but common among older blacks. These hateful feelings that I’m giving you some insight into are a bit of a generational thing, and I’m a young guy don't forget. We all need to understand each other and reach some Hegelian synthesis of social solidarity. The root of that is a frank acknowledgment by whites that most black problems are caused directly or indirectly by the past actions of white people; blacks merely have “complicity in our condition.” But there is some hope: black and white can unite around fleecing Wall Street and rich people, thus expanding government programs that can help all kinds of poor and middle class people, and thus understood, both groups can unite around the Obama candidacy. In other words, we need class war not race war. 

The speech ends with a nice vignette about a little white girl and a nice old black man illustrating that very possibility: black and white people sometimes get along, especially when they’re working on the Obama campaign.

11

Excellent, Ace.

12 I can't tell you how angry this made me when I first heard it and  still now.  And this crap about every minister says something a parishioner will disagree with and it is no big deal. Back on 9/16, I was announcing loudly and menacingly to friends and strangers that the next person who dared say to me, Do you know why they hate us? was going to get cold cocked.

13 I'm tired of people giving him a pass because he was a Marine.

I read in wiki that he had enlisted in the Navy.  But, Obama says he was a marine. Which is it?

14 Ahem...

zing

Keep up the great work, Ace. The guy's a toad and needs to be acknowledged as one. The only reason he's not at Fred Phelps's level is because he's not dumb enough to protest military funerals. Although, I'm starting to wonder if that's because he approves of the fact that they are occurring...

15 Don't flatter yourself - I'm a misanthrope.

16

Derbyshire's right. The Obamessiah is toast. Now the question is how will Her Thighness deliver the coup de gras?

If her surrogates start running Wright clips in PA it'll finish him.

17 Mack, the correct answer to the question "was Jeremiah Wright in the Navy or the Marines?" is, "who gives a damn what some America-hating racist demagogue did between when he got out of school and when he started attracting thousands of America-hating racist supporters?"

18

Go Ace!  Someone with a voice louder than my squeak needs ot shout about this egregious sidestep. 

Audacity?  Yes... of hope? Not so much.

19 How can Obama describe Wright's comments as controversial instead of vile?

Have you seen the edit job they did on those clips on your MSM news shows?

20

I didn't like the speech.  I really do not like Obama.  But Ace, I think you are mischaracterizing what Obama said.  He did not say that Wright's remarks were "merely controversial."  He said:

"But the remarks that have caused this recent firestorm weren’t simply controversial. They weren’t simply a religious leader’s effort to speak out against perceived injustice. Instead, they expressed a profoundly distorted view of this country – a view that sees white racism as endemic, and that elevates what is wrong with America above all that we know is right with America; a view that sees the conflicts in the Middle East as rooted primarily in the actions of stalwart allies like Israel, instead of emanating from the perverse and hateful ideologies of radical Islam.

As such, Reverend Wright’s comments were not only wrong but divisive..."

 

21 In fairness to the Obamessiah, I think you're a little bit off, Ace. Obama didn't say that the 9-11/kill whitey/USKKKA stuff could be considered controversial. He said that he heard Wright occasionally say things that could be considered controversial, while maintaing that he never was present when Wright made the truly outrageous statements. In other words, Obama copped to being present when Wright made boderline statements, but he's sticking to his denial of being present for any of the indisputably vile statements. Obama's walking a tightrope, and we all know it's bullshit, but so was "I caused pain in my marriage" and "I didn't inhale," and that got B.J. Clinton elected.

22 I wonder if he'd have been capering and fluttering quite like that had the terrorists hit the Sears Tower, with some of his congregants in it.

Radicals think it's cool when bad things happen to people they don't know.

23 I wasn't aware that he made this disgusting rant within days of 9/11.

Vile bastard.

24 Well, now that this is settled, I hope you bigots realize how wrong it is to say that we hate America.  It's not that we hate America, it's just that all of our closest friends do.  Glad we could finally clear this up.

25 Angler,

"Divisive," yes. That's the big sin. Nothing can be tolerated to divide the people and promote discord in our glorious march toward Utopia.

Ein Reich. Ein Volk. /Godwin

26 In other words, Obama copped to being present when Wright made boderline statements, but he's sticking to his denial of being present for any of the indisputably vile statements.

Here's how we get to the bottom of this. Obama should release his itineraries so we can determine what sermons he did sit through.  As a politician, everything is recorded, if not by his people by his security detail. He has been extremely vague about what he did and did not hear which tells me that he has something to hide. 

27

Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at March 18, 2008 04:09 PM

You're right, Pete.  Look how carefully this is crafted:

"Did I ever hear him make remarks that could be considered controversial while I sat in church? Yes."

 

28 "As such, Reverend Wright’s comments were not only wrong but divisive..."

Though not divisive enough for him to leave the church or speak out against them. At least until he got caught.

29 "rotten bastard!"   Precisely

30 Hahaha. Hell hath no fury like the chubby sweaty typing hands of the blithering 9/11 conservatives.

You dumbasses are such hypocrites! Ace, all you see is an opening to keep your rage machine up so you can make a little extra money from web ads.

His preacher said some crazy things, Pat Robertson won a state in a primary. Your entire party are righteously cowed supplicants to Bob Jones U, but Barack Obama is a terrorist.

I am quite happy to see this uproar was not only squelched but actually turned to Barack's advantage, by Barack's own ability, that speaks well to shit like this come the general.

I'm pretty sure this is going to be looked upon as the end of the 9/11 conservative traitors who turned this country inside out for their own political gain.

31

Does anybody here really buy that Obama was NEVER there when Wright spouted this shit? This guy apparently trafficked in the worst sort of paranoid black conspiracy theories and poor, precious Barry never once got a whiff of this madness? Bull Fucking Shit.

And Obama decrying this lunatic now means absolutely nothing; he's doing it because he got caught.  If I get caught cheating on my wife, I can say it was deplorable and a distorted view of matrimony until I'm red faced with shame, but I'm still getting a swift kick in the nuts and a divorce. Obama is a lying, race hustling con artist, and he and the Reverend can go fuck themselves.

32 Hope and Change: the Dow is up over 400 points. 

Thank you, Obama!

33

Did we occasionally get drunk and take liberties with women?

We did.

 (wink)

34

Pat Robertson won a state in a primary

Which proves his overwhelming support by the party.

Are you all this stupid?

35 I have absolutely no problem when people express glee over the death of my fellow Americans.

Because mchaliburtonreligiousrightdroolspittlechewassupercool!

36 Posted by: lemons at March 18, 2008 04:17 PM (aTZaE)

Name one serious presidential candidate on the Republican side who sat in a church where such vile doctrines were routinely preached.  Your golden boy is a hair away from the nomination and...oopsie!  Turns out he's been spending his Sundays listening to some seriously offensive stuff.

Still, your rant demonstrates just how deeply this story has cut.

37

Why is it that the 9-11 attacks killed everyone except the people that deserved it?

Shit, if the only one in those towers was say, TOM, there definitely would be no 9-11 conservatives.

 

38 I am quite happy to see this uproar was not only squelched but actually turned to Barack's advantage, by Barack's own ability, that speaks well to shit like this come the general.

Umm, no.

This speech made things worse for him.  He played to the smallest part of his base and gave both Hillary and McCain a huge lever to separate his more rational followers -- few that they may be.

You have to have a world view similar to Wright's to think that this could help the Obamessiah.  In other words -- just plain nuts.

39

Right on Ace.

The anger is justified.

Barry is a slimy cocksucker.

He tihnks that Rev Dr's comments were simply critiques of US domestic policy and merely "Political" critiques.

Barry can't seem to bring himself to tell us what his spritual advisor said.

I somehow can't picture Deepak Chopra or that fat guy with the huge beard saying he was glad that the WTC got blown up, then having Barry criticize him then walk him to salvation.

Maybe he would, liberals think we deserved it.

It is weird that the liberals are in bed with a guy who is so much more religious than any Repub candidate that I can remember, Bush included.

40 lemons

Sorry to hear about your accident, please let us know when your brain grows back....we really care.

41

He said that he already condemned these remarks, tihs is an artful dodge.

" I have already condemned, in unequivocal terms, the statements of Reverend Wright that have caused such controversy."

Did he? I recall him using some slippery language on Friday.

42

Listening to Obama now- his alliteration gets REALLY fucking annoying when you listen to it

Im backing down from my "hes a better sounding and tanner Bill Clinton" thesis.

His emphasiSSSSS on eaCH final sylabLLLLLLLL is really gratinGGGGGGGG

43 So, if Fred Phelps does good work in the community and was called a "cracker" by his grandma, does that make what he said ok?

44

"I'm pretty sure this is going to be looked upon as the end of the 9/11 conservative traitors who turned this country inside out for their own political gain."

And I am pretty sure you don't have a single clue of what you're talking about. Yet you may have inadvertantly made our point.

Let's assume, as you argue, that Bob Jones University and Pat Robertson are evil, and that their association with the Republican Party taints the Republican Party.

Fine.  but if that's the case, by your own nifty logic, Obama's association with Wright is even worse.  Obama chose to associate himself with Wright.  He chose to rely upon his counsel.  He chose to make him a part of his life and of his campaign.

You use the word "hypocrite" carelessly.

45 Lemon(s) is just killing time waiting for the party to start.

46 I'm pretty sure this is going to be looked upon as the end of the 9/11 conservative traitors who turned this country inside out for their own political gain.

You are 100% right lemons. The real 9/11 heroes are the ones who 5 days later pointed out that America's chickens had come home to roost. And of course the people in the audience who applauded.

But don't worry, I won't question your patriotism, you are obviously to good to be bothered with something as bourgeois as that.

47 Given that McCain has leads in PA, OH, FL, and other bell weather swing states, Im not so sure that there is a tidal wave of support for this racistcocksucker following polished turd named Obama

48

Do not question the messiah

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xtNr5-up0U

49

I am quite happy to see this uproar was not only squelched but actually turned to Barack's advantage, by Barack's own ability, that speaks well to shit like this come the general.

Hee.

50

I am quite happy to see this uproar was not only squelched but actually turned to Barack's advantage, by Barack's own ability, that speaks well to shit like this come the general.

Hee. 

51

Please tell me that was a parody ... I think the nick 'lemons' is a clue.  I know the line between parody and reality has become dangerously thin these days, but damn.

52

Its TOm

I recognize his faggy "you guys fucked up my country" gayness

53

So what you're telling me is that Obama lied.

Obama lied.

Obama lied.

Get it?  He went on TV, he looked us in the eye, and he lied.

54

Like i said- tanner Bill Clinton.

He might even be a BETTER liar- as hard as that would be to acheive

Of course it helps to be able to cloak your lies in racial victimhood

55 I'm pretty sure this is going to be looked upon as the end of the 9/11 conservative traitors who turned this country inside out for their own political gain.

Posted by: lemons at March 18, 2008 04:17 PM (aTZaE)

Don't count your chicken's punk, the next time you get that tap on your shoulder, you know the one that is usually your mom telling you to turn down the volume on the latest German bondage porn website you spent your allowance signing up for, it could be me, the High King/Emporer of the 9/11 Conservative Traitor Brigade (HKECTB).  You know what I do when life gives me lemons you imbecile?  I take them, shove them up the ass of the nearest hippy, liberal douchebag I can find then I grab a cougar and make lemonaide in their colon.  Then I drink vodka lemonaid and go right on oppressing the black man and profiting off of illegal wars I lied us into.  I dare you to stop me.    

 

 

56

You go Ace.  Well said, well done.  Some people will actually buy into this crap and continue the Obamafawning. 

It disgusts me.

I need cheering up.  Maybe 8 hours of continuous Partridge Family viewing will help.  Always had a thing for Rueben Kincaid.

57

Teach your children well...

Indiana Daily Student: Barack did it?

...Some people still don’t want to accept that America is a country controlled by rich white men who have in many ways continued to oppress anyone who doesn’t fit into the rich white man club. But that’s America. It always has been and, unless drastic changes occur, always will be. The thing that makes all of this remarkable is that a woman and a black man have a good shot at a rich white man’s office. There. I said it.

58

B. Hussein Obama has given my hope though: as ReichWingFascists, we can now claim "We cannot disown Adolf Hitler any more than we can disown the Germanic community!"

It's about as honest as Obama's "condemnation" of Wright.

59 PIMF! Indiana Daily Student: Barack did it?

60 The thing that makes all of this remarkable is that a woman and a black man have a good shot at a rich white man’s office.

We just are letting you think that.

61 From Byron York:

The small auditorium here at the National Constitution Center, where Barack Obama delivered what his aides called a “major address on race, politics, and unifying our country,” was filled mostly with guests invited by the Obama campaign. So it was not surprising that after the speech, Obama’s guests, streaming out of the room into the cavernous atrium of the Center, thought he delivered a great speech. What might be surprising, though, is that a number of them saw nothing particularly wrong with the “controversial” remarks by Obama’s pastor, Rev. Jeremiah Wright, that set this whole process in motion.

Should we be surprised that Obama would surround himself with people that buy into Wright's evil crap?


Lemon(s) Party!!!

62

The O wanted to run a post-racial campaign, now he's stuck being a Race Man, the exact place he wanted so much to avoid.  A younger, hipper Jesse, with better breeding.

 

63

This guy is fucking amazing.

"I understand MSNBC has suspended Mr. Imus," Obama told ABC News, "but I would also say that there's nobody on my staff who would still be working for me if they made a comment like that about anybody of any ethnic group. And I would hope that NBC ends up having that same attitude."

64

I am quite happy to see this uproar was not only squelched but actually turned to Barack's advantage, by Barack's own ability

 

The audacity of hope!

 

Did I say audacity?  I meant stupidity.

65 Dead on, Ace. I also let loose about 'could' on another blog.

This racist can't even say they are controversial, let alone wrong, without weasel word bullshit.

66 ...without weasel word bullshit.



_{Careful now.}

67 Compare & contrast.

68 It's okay, A. Some people just CANNOT control their worst speciesist impulses.

69 traitors?

fuck you, lemons. you bitches disgust me.

70

You have got to be fucking kidding me...this fucking guy...

"What we've been seeing around this country is this constant ratcheting up of a coarsening of the culture that all of have to think about," Obama said.

...

And I am a constitutional lawyer and strongly believe in free speech, but as a culture, we really have to do some soul-searching to think about what kind of toxic information are we feeding our kids," he concluded.

71

 Hope Died, so Obama Lied.

72 S. W.

I know, some days it just makes me want to curl up in a little ball and cry myself to sleep.

73 So now people who don't believe insane conspiracy theories are "9/11 conservative traitors"?

That's it.  Fuck them.  Forget about elections, forget about changing hearts and minds.  Time to start killing these sons of bitches.  They've been jonesing about a new civil war since November 2000, I say let's give them their wish. 

Not because of what they want to do to the country, not because of their own systematic treason, but because of how they have gang-raped the English language.  Words mean something, you lemon-scented suppository! 

74 With this speech he locks up 100% of the black vote and 100% of the guilty white vote.    Net result: Nov. 08 he gets 25% of the vote, landslide for McCain.    He is toast.       I guess this endorsement will clinch the deal.    http://my.barackobama.com/page/dashboard/public/gGrXCt

75

Oops that shoul have read:

 With this speech he locks up 100% of the angry black vote

76

Posted by: Sir E Buzz Heinz-Miller-Heinz, Esq at March 18, 2008 04:43

 

That's a good catch, Sir E Buzz.  Do you have a link for that quote?

77

Posted by: Sir E Buzz Heinz-Miller-Heinz, Esq at March 18, 2008 04:43

 

That's a good catch, Sir E Buzz.  Do you have a link for that quote?

Here it is.

78 Posted by: A. Weasel at March 18, 2008 04:47 PM (bqcfE)

No, it's cool. My grandmother used to tell Polish jokes.

79

...what kind of toxic information are we feeding our kids...

You always wonder if maybe there will turn out to be a vengeful God after all, you know, and a non-worshipper like me will find himself unexpectedly standing in front of the Pearly Gates, without the code for the cypher-lock.

But if BHO could utter the sentence above without being instantly hit with a bolt of lightning, and turned into a great big sweet-potato freedom fry, I gotta figure I'm home free.

80 You could tell by the statement yesterday from the church that the Messiah was going to do the victim schtick. This speech boils down to "yeah, my church is racist, but white Amerikkka is what made them racist, so it's you who must atone whitey". Same old bullshit.

81 Absodamnlootly, ACE.  Well said.

82 Ace - Your righteous anger is well and truly deserved. Barack Obama is nothing more than Al Sharpton with an Ivy League degree.

Lemons and his filk believe in Rev. Wrights hate, they embrace his tinfoil hat conspiracies and his Marxist message is music to their ears.

83 My grandmother used to tell Polish jokes.


Did you throw her under the bus?

84 Thanks, cruzer.

85

As has been said elsewhere, I don't even believe it's genuine anger.  It's all a well rehearsed act put on to swell the collection plates & line his pockets.

 

I wonder what the reverend's salary was last year.

86

Can someone explain the logic of the idom the chickens have come home to roost?  Ok, so you're a guy with chickens, they go away, then they come back.  Somehow that equates to consequences of earlier actions are being made manifest. 

Are these evil chickens you sent to harass your enemies, but eventually they come back and do evil things to you?  I don't get it.

If I were a chicken farmer and my chickens went AWOL, I'd want them to come back to me.  Is this part of a brilliant Aesop fable that I don't remember?  Idioms are stupid, unless it's brilliant.  Someone please explain.

87 For those who came in late, be advised that that odious, orgasmic "America's chickens are coming home to roost" line is exactly -- exactly -- what another iconic black hatemongerer, Malcolm X, said right after JFK was assassinated.

88 lol, you silly people make me laugh.

89 You're welcome.  tip the waitress on your way out.

90 Why attack Obama but give a free pass to all the conservative aligned preachers, such as Ron Parsley and John Hagee, who are close to John McCain and have been close to the Republican party for decades?  The hate these guys preach against Catholics, homosexuals, and muslims (not just terrorists) makes Wright look like a moderate.  Did Ace of Spades just decide hateful preachers are a problem when it looked like it could damage the Obama campaign?  Sometimes the hypocrisy of this site astounds me.

91

Just read the transcript of Obama's speech.

Pretty much what I expected. 'America is mean and racist, but I can fix it. Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.'

92 >Sometimes the hypocrisy of this site astounds me.

Posted by: Rob at March 18, 2008 06:25 PM (oblM2)

 

Then fuck off and post at Kos, asshat.

93

"Why attack Obama but give a free pass to all the conservative aligned preachers, such as Ron Parsley and John Hagee, who are close to John McCain and have been close to the Republican party for decades?

1.  Who's giving them a pass?

2.  Do you really think that whatever tenuous connection exists between McCain and these "conservative aligned preachers" is in any way comparable to the relationship between Obama and McCain?

3.  Did you really say that, in a particular context, Wright looks like a moderate?

You are a fucking idot.

94

between Obama and McCain

 

I meant Obama and Wright.

95 First of, we've been critical of the tubby hate filled cockroach Hagee, but there is a world of difference in the relationship between McCain and Hagee and Wright and Obama...why am I even arguing this?  This is the same weakassed attempt to build a moral equivalence as the media trying to compare Geraldine Ferraro to Wright. 

96 One point.
At that date, the believed (thankfully overstated) body count had just started to drop from the 30-50,000.
Most estimates were still at about 20,000.
So, Reverend Wright was under the impression that approximately Twenty Thousand Americans had died that fateful day, when he said the aforementioned vile statements.

97 So, McCain saying that he "proudly" accepts the endorsement of the man who claims that Catholics conspired with Hitler and that hurricane Katrina was the righteous vengeance of God doesn't bother anyone?  McCain calling the man who believes it is a religious duty to exterminate all Muslims a "spiritual guide" is okay?  Conservative politicians actively court radical evangelists every election, and McCain is no different.  This isn't just a "tenuous" connection, but it gets no play in the MSM.

I often agree with Ace's comments, but his treatment of this issue is very unfair.

98

My big take away is this:

Before the speech, he did not hear controversial comments.

During the speech he said he did hear controversial comments.

He lied.

He did not admit to, or apologize for lying.

Not presidential.

99 What the speech sounded like to me?

All I thought about was how often you see Blacks on TV, usually rappers or athletes, calling each other the "n-word" and then when if a white person says it, even in the same "friendly" manner the blacks used it, being told by Blacks "WE can say it but you can't!"

Obama is now saying the same is true for all racist statements.
Blacks have been discriminated against so they are free to use vicious, vile language any time they wish to make a point.

When it comes to being a racist Obama says "Yes WE Can"!
I don't really see what's "port-racial" about that.

100 Apparently, he was a Marine for a while but transferred to the Navy, where he was some sort of medical flunky.

101 Sometimes the hypocrisy of this site astounds me.

And you are...?

Heh, looks like Ace struck a nerve. Watching the lefties squirm is always good for cheap entertainment.

102 I have to disagree.  Changing the theme song in Monk was criminal.

103

Rob at March 18, 2008 07:09 PM

If McCain had attended KKK meetings for 20 years, you might have a valid point.

See the difference?

104 The thing is, up to this point, Senator Obama had not a few people in the middle and on the right fooled: talk of hope and change and reaching common ground, healing and all that. It's seductive to those swayed by sophistry. He seemed fairly harmless, he avoided the really unattractive associations with guys like Sharpton while still being black enough to make white folks think they are making a big step toward ending racism by voting for him.

Not any more. Now he seems like the same guy as the others, he's like Jackson and Sharpton and the rest, even if that isn't a fair characterization he's lost that middle ground, the sheen of being the guy who brings us all together. He could have won before this. Now I doubt he even gets the nomination.

105 #76, Trimegestus, the line for loaner gear forms on my back porch.

106 " In other words, Obama copped to being present when Wright made boderline statements, but he's sticking to his denial of being present for any of the indisputably vile statements."

"...a modified, limited hang-out..."  Richard M. Nixon

107 Dear 102,

Are you telling me that vapid, swing vioin theme was/is preferable to the lyrics of Randy Newman?

Time to wake up and smell the coffee.

108 Why attack Obama but give a free pass to all the conservative aligned preachers, such as Ron Parsley and John Hagee, who are close to John McCain and have been close to the Republican party for decades? .........

So, McCain saying that he "proudly" accepts the endorsement of the man who claims that Catholics conspired with Hitler and that hurricane Katrina was the righteous vengeance of God doesn't bother anyone?  McCain calling the man who believes it is a religious duty to exterminate all Muslims a "spiritual guide" is okay? ......


You sure that's what you want to go with? You want to compare Obama's twenty year personal relationship with Wright to McCains endorsement from a couple of people he's probably known for about a month? You want to compare Obama who says he can't disown Wright anymore than he could disown the black community to McCain who literally ran against the religious right, particularly Pat Robertson and Jerry Fallwell, in 2000 and repudiated Hagees remarks? You want to compare Wright who says God Damn America and thinks 9-11 was Americas chickens coming home to roost to Ron Parsley who criticizes the religion that killed almost 3000 people on 9-11 and saws peoples heads off and treats women like slaves? If that's what you want to go with, you'll be on the losing end.

109

Rob-

 You are a fag.

110 After 1300 years of Moslem oppression of Christians, I think it's about time their chickens come home to roost. What's 3,000 to the 1300th power?

111

I believe he is totally honest about hope and change. I beleive he is full of hope and commited to change.

He hopes he can be president so he can change us from capitalism to a slave system called socialism.

112 You know some people say this is like the crusades and to be perfectly honest they have a good argument. The muslims were invading Europe, they had conquered and occupied Spain since 711, and so in 1096 after many christians had been kidnapped and murdered for attempting a pilgrams journey to the birth place of Christ, they mounted an assualt on Jerusalem to stop the aggressors. So I would say we have exactly that, another crusade to stop the muslims from killing us and attacking our country.

113

I found it interesting that he threw his--still living--grandmother under the train.

"I can no more disown him than I can disown the black community. I can no more disown him than I can my white grandmother – a woman who helped raise me, a woman who sacrificed again and again for me, a woman who loves me as much as she loves anything in this world, but a woman who once confessed her fear of black men who passed by her on the street, and who on more than one occasion has uttered racial or ethnic stereotypes that made me cringe."

 

 

114 Mack #26 "Obama should release his itineraries so we can determine what sermons he did sit through."

Yeah that'll happen, right after Shrillary releases her post-white-house tax records.  You and I will be skating across the surface of Hell by that time.

115 DON'T TELL ME WORDS DON'T MATTER.


....oops...

116 Shane is certainly not Rob, no indeed, not at all.

117 Barack Obama: The Audacity of a Whore

118 Oddly enough Rev. Wright's comments might just have guaranteed Obama the Democratic nomination.  If you are a party leader or superdelegate and believed that giving Hillary the nomination and Obama some sort of consolation prize was the path of least resistance you have probably changed your mind. 

119 #108 Oh come on, why resort to imitating Ace's post on Obama's captain in Afghanistan?  That's pretty weak.  I'll make the effort to respond anyway, I guess...yeah McCain at one time denounced the religious right, but after losing to Bush in SC and VA in 2000 he's made a complete u-turn on that issue. My point is also not just about McCain praising Hagee (though at an earlier time, as you say, he did repudiate him), the religious right has had an enormous sway on the Republican party for decades and no one seems to care.  John McCain did care at one time, as evidenced by the links you provided, but this concern of his has faded away.  I'm merely standing for consistency, if Obama must renounce Wright (merely repudiating his remarks has not quelled any criticism), so must Republicans renounce the support of the above pastors I mentioned, as well as the ones you mentioned.  Leaving aside comparisons to Obama for a second, why would anyone seek out and accept endorsements from hateful pastors as McCain has?  Isn't this obviously wrong?

120 If you think  Republicans haven't been criticized for the religious right, then you haven't been paying attention. Bush 43 gave a speech at Bob Jones University in 2000 and  all the media and Democrats talked about for weeks was that schools racial policies. The media and Democrats wait with baited breath for Pat Robertson (and Falwell when he was alive) to make a  ridiculous remark so they can point out just how horrible those conservative Christians are. And unlike Democrats, who don't have a problem with what Wright said, most Republicans view Pat Robertson as a joke and harmful to the party. Republicans have always been criticized for aligning themselves with religious figures, but Democrats go to black churches year after year and no one says a word about it.  If you want consistency, you should be demanding that Democrats be held to the same standards as Republicans when it comes to religion. McCain may not be going after the religious right this election cycle, but his denouncement of them in 2000 is more than Obama has ever done regarding his racist church. And as i said before, your comparison of McCain being endorsed by people he barely knows to Obamas two decade long relationship with Wright is ludicrous.

121 A 30 second google search turned up these two posts on conservative blogs criticizing McCain for accepting Hagees endorsement. A more thorough search is sure to turn up more.

122 Here's another post on a conservative blog criticizing McCain for accepting Hagees endorsement. And here's a couple of posts from this site which is a pretty good example of how conservatives view Pat Robertson. And here's a post from this site criticizing Huckabee for speaking at Hagees church. As i said before, the only inconsistency is how Republicans are held to a different standard than Democrats when it comes to religion.

123 Obama has done a shit load of teaching about race relations in this country already.  I now understand that about 90% of blacks are sociopaths who agree with the Wright / Farrakhan /Obama view of white people, jews and America. I wouldn't have understood this without Barack's help.

124 I might have had some small amount of sympathy if he had focused solely on our overseas CIA blunders (I said "small"; those blunders still generally were committed as part of an ongoing terrorist cold war where we had to work with what we had), but for him to go on and bring Nagasaki and Hiroshima into it just cancels him out as an even semi-serious voice in the 9/11 discussion because it puts him squarely in the camp of people who would damn their own country for taking part in any sort of violence against any outside entity - regardless of the reason.  Protecting itself, protecting its allies, protecting jews/minorities/etc - not their problem.

And even more sickening was the way the entire congregation roared with approval at the guy's America-hating rant.

It doesn't take a great intuitive leap to see that this mentality is ultimately an extension of black resentment over past slavery and (largely) past racism.  Anyone who has a problem with America is their friend, by default.  That's all it takes.  Not saying the slavery and racism of the past (bearing in mind that it is the past) isn't a legitimate complaint, but it certainly doesn't justify cheering the murder of innocent modern day Americans and internationals like so many ululating Palestinians - behavior like that takes a legitimate complaint and turns it into a simple chip on the shoulder that becomes that much easier to dismiss.

125 The Thunder Run has linked to this post in the - <a href="http://thunderrun.blogspot.com/2008/03/web-reconnaissance-for-03192008.html"> Web Reconnaissance for 03/19/2008 </a> A short recon of what’s out there that might draw your attention, updated throughout the day...so check back often.

126 Also, if we are cherry-picking his sermons, why haven't we heard any of his nicer, love-filled, forgiveness-based sermons in rebuttal?

Hint: there aren't any?

127 Obama reminded us of something we all glimpsed after the OJ verdict: That we have a large, angry, unassimilable minority among us that thinks very differently from the rest of us and isn't going away. (Actually, thanks to the Open Borders crowd, we now have two such minorities.) If the genetic studies of race and IQ are accurate, it is not within the power of either whites or blacks to make life any better for them within American society - they will always be frustrated and always be angry. And Shelby Steele is telling us that even the best mannered, successful blacks are merely wearing a mask to hide their hatred. I'm not sure I believe that. Only Rush Limbaugh offers a ray of hope, saying that you don't have to wear a mask, you can change who you are. I'm not sure I believe that, either. What I am sure of is that we have a big problem, and the policies we have been following and the trillions of dollars we have spent to fix it have only made it bigger and worse.

128

"could be considered" controversial.....

Not only is this outrageous but we should recall that his chickens coming home to roost comment was made 5 days after 3,000 of our fellow citizens were murdered. There were still pictures of loved ones posted on walls around New York as people searched for news, bodies would still be recovered for months, rescue workers were working around the clock with flood lights, and Wright has the temerity to talk about chickens coming home to roost?

How dare Senator Obama suggest that it might be considered controversial!

5 Days after mass murder sir! 

 

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