Reactions, Yours and the MSM's (Gee, I Wonder If They Liked It! I'm On Pins and Needles and Hanging On Tenterhooks!)
Upadated and Bumped: My Reaction

Yup.

SteveL:

Ok, let me see if I understood this speech correctly:

1. I was in church when Wright said some bad things.

2. I didn't like the bad things he said.

3. I never, ever spoke up about how I felt about the bad things.

4. I continued to go to the church even after he said the bad things.

5. All of which is irrelevant because my grandmother used some racil epithets.

Did I get it right?

Yeah that's right.

/David Puddy

Marc Ambinder: I concur in part and dissent in part.

In his speech today, instead of casting Wright out, throwing him overboard, trying to write him off, Obama did the opposite: he incorporated Wright into Barack Obama, LLC. Wright's evolution becomes part of America's evolution, which is part of Obama's story.

In no uncertain terms did Obama renounce -- morally condemn -- the hateful, anti-Semitic, anti-American and just plain bizarre rants of his pastor -- "former pastor," as Obama now calls him. But he did not reject him. He refused to reject him. He is daring, in essence, his white liberal supporters to accept what Wright's anger represents -- a legacy of oppression -- and daring the rest of white supporters to take a leap of faith him... and asking them to expand their minds a bit and see that Wright is preaching in a tradition that has a context that is directly related to the material and spiritual conditions of all Americans.

The sell will be easier for white liberals, I think. The speech was magnificently written. It was internally consistent with Obama apparently believes.

How it plays will determine how it plays. If the media focuses more on the Wright defense-by-renouncements and then juxtaposes them with clips of Wright's comments, then I think the trouble remains. The seeds of doubt about who this guy really is may be nourished. I know that Obama believes that a discussion about race plays to his benefit, no matter what people think about white working class voters and their latent feelings. Perhaps this is the beginning of his opportunity to lift the veil and get everyone -- not just himself and the media -- to talk openly.

Problem is... so far, this is a one way conversation. It's ... well, the tiny media scrum debating Rev. Wright... and Obama preaching to the country. There's no give. There's go back and forth. A one way conversation is a lecture.

The dissent: Obama did not "in no uncertain terms" renounce and denounce Wright. He engaged in apologism for a racist. He equated his grandmother's alleged occasional, private racial slurs with Wright's cynical career of constant, public racial arson. Further, he claimed that just as he cannot give up on Nana Obama, he wishes he could quite Rev. Wright, but Brokeback Style, cannot. It would be selling out a "friend" to do so.

Well, we do not choose our family but we do choose our friends, or pastors, and our close and key political allies. Can anyone think of a case where a politician has had a 20 year history with a racial arsonist but claimed it was excused because, on balance, he's just a capital chap?

I am also unimpressed by his "denouncements." Will he specifically denounce the statements in question? Will he tell black conspiracy-theorizing haters that No, the CIA did not create HIV to kill you? He permits such conspiracy theorists to believe he's still on their side by refusing to specifically deny the lie and affirm the truth.

If some blacks are being told by figures of respect (ahem) that the government created AIDS to murder them and that the CIA stocks black communities with crack and guns to murder them, um, isn't that a rather large impediment to true racial reconciliation? I have to tell you, I know some Muslim terrorists really do want to murder me and I'm afraid reconciling with them is quite out of the question.

So is his message "Yes, white people are murdering you, but you need to get past that"? Really? One can get past conspiracy to commit genocide?

Obama, and his liberal media spirit squad, speak of having an "open, honest" dialog on race and racial resentments, hatreds, and paranoias. But Obama has had twenty years to have an open dialog -- but a private one, which is far easier -- with his "friend" Rev. Wright.

Did he have this dialog? He says he disagrees strongly with some of Wright's "controversial political positions." Did he, you know, actually raise these points with Wright?

If he did, his putative skills at "reconciliation" and "healing" seem woefully deficient. This bastard has gone on spreading his noxious racism and hatred of America until his retirement... and then beyond a bit. Obama's going to heal the racial "wounds" of 300 million but he can't get through to his very good "friend"? He can't even get him to tone down his hateful rhetoric, even if he continues to give hatred a safe harbor in his heart?


I agree with Ambinder that this was, however, a lecture, not a "dialogue." Futhermore it was a lecture for white people only. Whites were told that legitimate grievances over black criminality -- oh, by the way, the real and enduring source of racial tension -- and Affirmative Action were "exploited" by politicians and media to stoke "fear" for personal gain. Hence, not really legitimate at all.

Meanwhile, as regards Wright and black hatred and borderline insane paranoia, he counseled "understanding" by whites -- but no call for blacks to give up such retrograde and hateful fantasies and scapegoatings.

My idea of a truly groundbreaking speech would involve a Cosbyesque riff on some of the real causes of white resentment, starting first and foremost with rampant black criminality and anti-social behavior, and blacks' acceptance of this as not only acceptable but justified -- perhaps even obligatory -- given past and current racial discrimination.

He did not touch on this. He's still pandering to Wright's flock. And it's not just pandering of course; he is required to excuse the black racist, not just out of ideological fervor, but out of personal circumstantial necessity. After all, he was caught in bed with a black racist and anti-American radical, not a white racist. So of course he demands that we "understand" and "forgive" the black racist. He needs us to. His personal fortunes depend on that.

But imagine if he were white and had been caught in a 20 year cynical political alliance with a white racist -- would his calls for "forgiveness" and "understanding," and his maudlin Checkers-style "I cannot renounce him, he's my favorite dog" self-justification carry any weight whatsoever with liberals, the media, or good-hearted conservatives?

No, it would not. But in Obama's case, we are lectured that we must forgive this particular racist and understand this particular brand of racism. The other sorts of racism are of course unforgivable and no proper person would ever befriend such malefactors, and certainly not intertwine their political fates so closely; but here, of course, we -- those who are a bit alarmed by virulent black racism -- must "understand."

His entire claim that some are "surprised" that blacks are angry represents some sort off teachable moment in our racial education is a transparent lie: We are not surprised by black rage. I have seen the Reginald Denny attempted murder video, not once but a dozen times. I understand there is black rage in the country.

What I do not understand -- and refuse to understand -- is that a major political figure and possible President of the United States of America has decided to court a preacher of rage and hatred, and essentially tells me to grow up and get real about my concerns for his doing so.

My takeaway: White racism is pernicious and bad and we must correct it. We must learn.

Black racism, on the other hand, is perfectly understandable, justified even, and blacks get to keep on hatin' for as long as they might like.

Obama, of course, will one day change all this.

But he didn't change the heart of Wright when he had the chance. Nor even is there any evidence whatsoever he even attempted such an undertaking.

So Obama is sold to us as biracial, transracial, postracial. A new kind of black candidate.

And yet he seems to look precisely like the old sort of black candidate, the Jesse Jackson type, the Al Sharpton type.

Have Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton bridged our racial divides and healed the scarring on our collective racial heart?

No?

Then how does Obama presume to do any better while following the exact same playbook, albeit with a warmer manner and a nice-boy haircut?

Posted by: Ace at 01:10 PM



Comments

1 I'm healed.

Posted by: Slublog at March 18, 2008 11:53 AM (R8+nJ)

2 Should have just said "It's a black thing, you would not understand". Would have saved himself a bunch of time.

Posted by: AndrewsDad at March 18, 2008 11:55 AM (C2//T)

3 It's an Easter Miracle.

Posted by: Amerpundit at March 18, 2008 11:55 AM (qzcNU)

4 Osambo is an absolute idiot.

Posted by: Mark at March 18, 2008 11:57 AM (Sth9k)

5 I don't know what you people are talking about, after Obama started speaking my eyes began to bleed and my skin boiled. Like that time I tried to go to church.

Guy just doesn't do it for me.

Posted by: NeoconNews.com at March 18, 2008 11:57 AM (gllX2)

6 Shorter Obama speech:



Po black man

Rasist whites must understand !

Move on.

Posted by: LH at March 18, 2008 11:57 AM (MKY0w)

7 Remember all that insane cheering and whooping when Wright was delivering his sermons? Nice church you got there Senator. How do you feel about the people sitting next to you that cheered what Wright said? How do you think they will take your speech today? How do you heal them and their racism?


Yeah, I thought so.

Posted by: EC at March 18, 2008 11:58 AM (mAhn3)

8 Sally Quinn just called it the most important speech on racesince MLK's I Have a Dream speech.
Some other chick just called it a "gift to America".

Posted by: JackStraw at March 18, 2008 11:58 AM (t+mja)

9 What a fuckin' moron.

Posted by: davis,br at March 18, 2008 11:59 AM (7QgFP)

10 Heard black guy call into the radio. He says: Obama helped himself and hurt the country. You don't heal the country by dragging up the civil war and picking at old scabs. We want to move past that. Why did he have to insult Reagan?

[I love you anonymous black caller!]


Posted by: Mack at March 18, 2008 12:00 PM (6b+T9)

11 I need a towel and a cigarette.

Posted by: Chris Matthews at March 18, 2008 12:00 PM (QA8jC)

12 Watch the polls in PA the next few days. That's where the impact will be.

Posted by: eddiebear at March 18, 2008 12:00 PM (wnU1W)

13

I don't think I got the answer to just what the fuck Barry was thinking when he decided to run for President so long ago yet never bothered to either get this nutfuck to shut the hell up or leave that racist "church". Where was his judgment.

Is that the behavior of someone who should become President?

Nah.

Posted by: Sir E Buzz Heinz-Miller-Heinz, Esq at March 18, 2008 12:01 PM (sf4Oe)

14 ...uh, the bad kind of moron. (And do note: that's the shortest comment, ever, from me ...not that anyone ever pays attention. I'm just sayin'.)

Posted by: davis,br at March 18, 2008 12:01 PM (7QgFP)

15 Mein Fuhrer!! I can walk!

Posted by: Dr. Strangelove at March 18, 2008 12:01 PM (Kz86N)

16 Watch the polls in PA the next few days. That's where the impact will be.
You mean Ed "The Man" Rendell's hood? hehehehe...

Posted by: EC at March 18, 2008 12:02 PM (mAhn3)

17 Reactions? I laughed, I cried, it became a part of me.

Posted by: Dave in Texas at March 18, 2008 12:02 PM (Kz86N)

18 Juan Williams is still not satisfied.

Posted by: Cuffy Meigs at March 18, 2008 12:03 PM (uOvAE)

19 Jaun Williams isn't giving him a pass...

Posted by: Ann NY at March 18, 2008 12:03 PM (CWaJx)

20 It stinks.

Posted by: The Critic at March 18, 2008 12:04 PM (QA8jC)

21 So we're supposed to believe that nothing has improved for blacks in 60 years, or so says a black graduate of Harvard who just might capture the Dem nomination for president, married to a black graduate of Princeton? Sorry, I can't feel his pain.

Posted by: Retread at March 18, 2008 12:05 PM (P/AfD)

22 Self-Parody: For liberals it's not a bug, it's a feature.

20 years in the pews and only after Wright (I shall not refer to him as "reverend".) threatens to explode his ambitions to the presidency does he decide to do the proper thing. Fuck that noise.

He could have, very easily, become a member of a DC church after he joined the Senate and distanced himself from this whole calamity. But he didn't. And I believe he didn't For. A. Reason.

This speech did nothing to help Obama.

Posted by: Nom de Blog at March 18, 2008 12:05 PM (wK2cX)

23 In a week that began with Obama's decades-long support for a deeply racist pastor and ended with a hyped speech on race, the Illinois senator has accomplished what Bill Clinton began in South Carolina. He has turned himself from a "Democratic candidate" into a "Black candidate."

Toast.

Posted by: Exurban Jon at March 18, 2008 12:08 PM (N0doa)

24 totally isolated the non-christian voters.

Posted by: urthshu at March 18, 2008 12:11 PM (bFqDX)

25 I thought the speech sucked, but don't tell Barry. I'm afraid of him.

Posted by: Obama's Grandmama at March 18, 2008 12:11 PM (t+mja)

26 MSNBC has some woman who contributes to HufPo and she's excited that Obama is opening up a dialog about these issues.

That's all very exciting but it's exactly what Obama didn't want to do. He knew when he started this type of 'conversation' would be a non-starter for a successful campaign.

And yet here he is.

Wouldn't you love to be in the room where the Clinton people are parsing this speech and trying to figure out how to exploit it?

Posted by: DrewM. at March 18, 2008 12:11 PM (hlYel)

27 He's completely done as far as electability in the general goes. Even though all the predictable people will laud this stupid racewhoring speech, by the time October rolls around he and his wife will say enough stupid shit to sink any chance he might have. He might as well have held a get out the vote drive for McCain as give this speech.
As for exit polls, they're gonna be even less reliable where he's concerned as more people will be saying they voted for him when pulling the lever the other way.

Posted by: Hermit Dave at March 18, 2008 12:12 PM (Tk5HT)

28 I didn't pay attention to the speech. Don't Black Liberation Theologians believe that Jesus and the White Devil were brothers?

Posted by: Vice President Huckabee at March 18, 2008 12:14 PM (PLvLS)

29 "At the time I joined the church, I needed the black cred. Who knew I'd get a national shot this soon?"
He did okay. The left will love it, the right will be unmoved...polls will tell us what the people in the middle will say.
I love the way he threw his beloved grandma under the bus, though. Say, didn't Jesse Jackson once say he gets nervous when he hears footsteps behind him and it's a young black man? He quickly retracted, as I recall...

Posted by: S. Weasel at March 18, 2008 12:14 PM (rasT+)

30 Hey, man, you don't talk to Barack Obama. You listen to him. The man's enlarged my mind. He's a poet-warrior in the classic sense. I mean sometimes he'll... uh... well, you'll say "hello" to him, right? And he'll just walk right by you. He won't even notice you. And suddenly he'll grab you, and he'll throw you in a corner, and he'll say, "do you know that 'if' is the middle word in life? If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs and blaming it on you, if you can trust yourself when all men doubt you"... I mean I'm no, I can't... I'm a little man, I'm a little man, he's... he's a great man. I should have been a pair of ragged claws scuttling across floors of silent seas.

Posted by: Dennis Hopper at March 18, 2008 12:15 PM (ecpMe)

31 haiku:

Barack Obama
called his gramma a racist
Same as you whiteys

Posted by: urthshu at March 18, 2008 12:15 PM (bFqDX)

32 . Dreamhost

Posted by: DER at March 18, 2008 12:16 PM (fM8BZ)

33 Slublog: That speech was catnip to the white-guilt brigade.

It was crack wrapped in a layer of heroin, smoked with Thai Stick, fried in mushroom batter, and finished off with a fine dusting of meth on top.

Posted by: Phinn at March 18, 2008 12:17 PM (NLtoU)

34 Of course Juan Williams isn't giving him a pass, Juan is rooting for Hillary, haven't you been watching him the last few months?
He hasn't had much nice to say about Obama! and has had nothing butnice things to say about Hillary.
I do have one question, did Obama! really mention Roots? That makes me laugh because that's the first "Fake but accurate" moment I can recall. I've always thought it was funny that people used to say, "Sure he made most of it up, but it's the Truth!" and now that fact's went down the memory hole.
Best election season ever.

Posted by: Veeshir at March 18, 2008 12:18 PM (ThMnZ)

35 Guilty as charged.

Posted by: Whitey at March 18, 2008 12:18 PM (QA8jC)

36 So, an Obama administration will be four years of everything being about race. Highway bills, taxes, budget, foreign policy, everything.

Or, if it really shouldn't be all about race, then Obama has absolutely no qualifications for the job...

Posted by: Stinky Esposito at March 18, 2008 12:19 PM (EuBH4)

37 I thought the speech sucked, but don't tell Barry. I'm afraid of him.

Here's what I'm ordering. With shipping it will be about $12. I'll send you my paypal info.

Posted by: tachyonsnuggy at March 18, 2008 12:23 PM (IVUjc)

38 TheApocalypse Now reference was perfect in too many ways to list.

Posted by: Hermit Dave at March 18, 2008 12:24 PM (Tk5HT)

39 Phinn: It was crack wrapped in a layer of heroin, smoked with Thai Stick, fried in mushroom batter, and finished off with a fine dusting of meth on top.
Damn if that isn't Comment of the Day™

Posted by: steveegg at March 18, 2008 12:25 PM (LvEFt)

40 I loved the way he threw Ferraro under the bus in the middle of the speech.
No comment on the "we deserved 9/11, AIDS was invented by whitey, crack is given to the darkies by whitey, etc. He just ignored all of that.

I want him to get the nomination so bad.

Posted by: fugazi at March 18, 2008 12:25 PM (ARruU)

41
Andi Sullivan is winking his abused brown eye at Barry.

Posted by: E Buzz Miller at March 18, 2008 12:25 PM (vFeQi)

42 I'd imagine Thomas Sowell is merely amused by Obama at this point.

Posted by: Guy of Gisbourne at March 18, 2008 12:28 PM (rlIc6)

43 The best thing he could have done is directly and specifically refute the hateful tripe that Wright has been preaching, point by point.

He did not do the best thing.

Posted by: lauraw at March 18, 2008 12:31 PM (aBuTa)

44 Hmmmm.

@ DrewM

Wouldn't you love to be in the room where the Clinton people are parsing this speech and trying to figure out how to exploit it?

IMO the critical thing is what Obama did NOT say:He disavowed and denounced but he never *confronted* bigotry or racism in his church.

Posted by: memomachine at March 18, 2008 12:31 PM (XlmYx)

45 one bit of legit white anger he declined to acknowledge was being falsely accused of racism so blacks can get whatever the hell they want.

of course, that would make people think twice about his campaign....

Posted by: urthshu at March 18, 2008 12:33 PM (bFqDX)

46 I don't want to hear this shit about Wright being old and from another time. He of all people should be cognizant of the great strides we made in this country in righting past wrongs. And though Wright was part of the civil rights generation, again, he received an excellent education and opportunities. I'm sick of Ivy League black millionaires whining about how horrible this country is.

Posted by: Mack at March 18, 2008 12:39 PM (6b+T9)

47 she's excited that Obama is opening up a dialog about these issues.
Uh, we've pretty much been talking about it non stop for the last 50 years.
These people are unbelievable.

Posted by: Jay at March 18, 2008 12:40 PM (BNlV7)

48 You have to admit. Hillary versus this clown is like the Iran Iraq war. The only thing better would be if they could both lose.

And the Dennis Hopper quote was funny as hell.

Posted by: Jack Burton at March 18, 2008 12:41 PM (hh4y/)

49 If Obama can't disown Wright because that would mean he was disowning the entire black community, does that mean I can't disown David Duke?
This hate stuff is confusing. I mean, who know that some blacks and some whites were pissed? Thank you, Messiah, for pointing out these hidden nuggets of truth.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 18, 2008 12:43 PM (t+mja)

50 I know it's not PC, but I don't have a damn thing to apologize for to these hate hustlers. I didn't own slaves, don't discriminate and don't endorse our past in regards to slavery.

I'll forget you are black when you quit reminding me.

Posted by: Jack Burton at March 18, 2008 12:46 PM (hh4y/)

51 I would like to open up a dialog about whether Real Mayonnaise or Miracle Whip is better. This is the kind of thought provoking interchange that makes real changes in the life of all Americans.

Imagine a world where there were no more whispers by Real Mayo lovers perpetuating the brutal inequality of those of use who maybe prefer our sandwich spread be sweeter and not so greasy. What about us?

You can have your dreams of a mayo only world, but not at the expense of my Miracle Whip dreams.

Gimme a fucking break.

Posted by: jen at March 18, 2008 12:46 PM (WhgGR)

52 What Obama should have done: introduced Bill Cosby and let him give the speech. Cosby speaks eloquently and truthfully on the real racial issues in America. Hell, he might have gotten my vote if he had done that -- not that he ever would, obviously.

Posted by: Hermit Dave at March 18, 2008 12:48 PM (Tk5HT)

53 And the MSM will ask him to reconcile this with his earlier statement that if had heard such things he would have spoken up against them, and that if head seen a pattern of this sort of thing he would have left the church?

Yeah, right.

Posted by: Stephen Macklin at March 18, 2008 12:50 PM (UquFN)

54 Wright was sometimes wrong
understand his anger, whites
and pay more taxes

Posted by: Haiku Warden at March 18, 2008 12:51 PM (rZ5uY)

55 I do get a chuckle out of Wright's views. It's not black people's fault for taking drugs, it's whitey's for making them available. It's not black people's fault for getting aids through drug use and unprotected sex, it's whitey's fault for starting the AIDs virus. It's not black people's fault for being in prison, it's whitey's fault for actually enforcing the laws.

Posted by: Jack Burton at March 18, 2008 12:52 PM (hh4y/)

56 "Its not my fault I like black sepratism, its yours crackah!"

Posted by: Iblis at March 18, 2008 12:53 PM (9221z)

57 I guess the only question now is, do the the Democrats destroy themselves over race in the primaries by nominating Clinton or wait until the general by nominating Obama?

Posted by: DrewM. at March 18, 2008 12:56 PM (hlYel)

58 Hey Ace, did you catch anal Andy's reference to Obama's "intimate, painful love...." for Pastor Wright?



Finally, Sully comments on a subject he has some real personal insight into.

Posted by: Alamo at March 18, 2008 12:57 PM (Mqupr)

59 T"he profound mistake of Reverend Wright’s sermons is not that he spoke about racism in our society."
Hilarious.
He's simply an SNL parody at this point. If you're a white person voting for Obama wow are you a sucker.

Posted by: Jay at March 18, 2008 12:58 PM (BNlV7)

60 I heard his speeches
Twenty years I said nothing
Change is for others

Posted by: Haiku Warden at March 18, 2008 12:58 PM (rZ5uY)

61 Obama can kiss the jewish vote goodbye.

Posted by: Shtetl G at March 18, 2008 12:58 PM (Ij9eA)

62 Dear Barack:
Iweep for your peoples' suffering and economic hardships.
Totally unlike the gravy-train my people have been riding on for 300+ years.
Good times.

Posted by: Chief Dan George at March 18, 2008 01:01 PM (QA8jC)

63 If you're a white person voting for Obama wow are you a sucker.
And, it would seem, a willing sucker at that. That's the part I don't get.

Posted by: Eleven at March 18, 2008 01:01 PM (7DB+a)

64 No matter what Obama does the damage on this one has been inflicted and there is no repairing it. He clearly is no longer a grand figure rolling to victory in Nov. '08

Posted by: deversole at March 18, 2008 01:05 PM (xMEeL)

65 I... do not fully understand, one named Obama... but the Holy Words will be obeyed; I swear it!

Posted by: cloud william at March 18, 2008 01:05 PM (evdj2)

66 No more halos?

Posted by: Eleven at March 18, 2008 01:06 PM (7DB+a)

67 Yeah, yeah, yeah....you don't get to be racist in America AND get to be President. Doesn't matter what color you are.

Now, you can have a damn fine income based on inflaming the worst dreams of the stupid(ex: J. Wright, Kos, Jesse Jackson, Lyndon LaRuesh(sp?) etc, basically any race pimp or conspiracy guy), but you don't get to be President.

Obama just murdered his chances with average voter....However, that was a great "give me the nomination" speech for Dims. He gave them everything they wanted. America sucks, but it could be great if you follow me to unicornland. Oh and by the way racism is a problem because of Ronald Reagan.

By the way, Obama looks like a total scumbag by throwing his Grandma under the bus. Not an ounce of gratitude for the woman that basically raised him.

I'm betting this racism was "found" under the tutelage of Wright, in much the same way that repressed memories of child molestation are "found" by unscrupulous councilors.

Trinity United smacks more of a racist based cult than anything else.

Do.

Not.

Want.

Posted by: rinseandspit at March 18, 2008 01:08 PM (aBMz2)

68 "If you're a white person voting for Obama wow are you a sucker."
What's "white" got to do with it?

Posted by: notropis at March 18, 2008 01:10 PM (cP1DU)

69 Is America Racist?
Recently David Horowitz created a stir by attempting to place ads in college newspapers denouncing the idea of reparations for slavery — that is, the disbursement of cash payments to blacks today as a way of repairing the injustice of historical slavery. This bizarre idea of reparations reminds me of a story related to the heavyweight fight in the mid-1970s between Muhammad Ali and George Foreman. Held in the African nation of Zaire, this famous fight was billed — quite insensitively by contemporary standards — as the "Rumble in the Jungle." In any case, after the fight was over and the victorious Ali returned to America, he was asked by a reporter what he thought of Africa. He replied, "Thank God my granddaddy got on that boat."

Posted by: Joe Mama at March 18, 2008 01:11 PM (QA8jC)

70 "you don't get to be racist in America AND get to be President. Doesn't matter what color you are."
So how'd we end up with Woodrow Wilson (among others)?

Posted by: notropis at March 18, 2008 01:12 PM (cP1DU)

71 By the way, love some of the various headlines:
"Obama rejects pastor's remarks, but says anger is real"
Um, who cares if it is "real"? I'm insulted and angry at Obama and his dipshit Nat X parody of a pastor. That's ok, right?
"Obama blunty addresses racial divide"
Huh? When?

Posted by: Jay at March 18, 2008 01:12 PM (BNlV7)

72 Barack Obama:
The One Who Preaches So Loud
Is Often The Perp

Posted by: urthshu at March 18, 2008 01:13 PM (bFqDX)

73 What's "white" got to do with it?
Because Obama despises whites.
Get it?
Yet?

Posted by: Jay at March 18, 2008 01:13 PM (BNlV7)

74 i can haz halo back?

Posted by: lolbama at March 18, 2008 01:14 PM (bFqDX)

75 I especially liked this:
This time we want to talk about the men and women of every color and creed who serve together, and fight together, and bleed together under the same proud flag.
Really, jackass? Because the race card gets pulled more in the Army than I've ever seen, anywhere else, and even an allegation can fuck your world up.
And the lack of basic services in so many urban black neighborhoods -- parks for kids to play in, police walking the beat, regular garbage pick-up and building code enforcement -- all helped create a cycle of violence, blight and neglect that continue to haunt us.
You sell drugs and shoot each other in the parks, the cops don't "walk the beat" because it's too dangerous, and in order to keep a building up to code, you have to find a contractor brave/foolhardy enough to come into the neighborhood to maintain it. Good try, though.

Posted by: Secundus at March 18, 2008 01:18 PM (FuXV5)

76 For some, nagging questions remain. Did I know him to be
an occasionally fierce critic of American domestic and foreign policy?
Of course. Did I ever hear him make remarks that could be considered
controversial while I sat in church? Yes. Did I strongly disagree with
many of his political views? Absolutely

And yet he still went and will go.

When Bush does this, it's called stubborn, stupid, inflexible, does not learn from his mistakes, does not listen to others, intellectually incurious, etc.

Posted by: IreneFingIrene at March 18, 2008 01:18 PM (7nV1N)

77 there is much anger
on both sides of the divide
only ours matters

Posted by: Haiku Warden at March 18, 2008 01:20 PM (rZ5uY)

78 The litany of A-list democratic talking points wrapped up as a mea culpa for associating with a black racist - doesn't move the goal much for me.


Talk radio, conservatives, special interest - even people with good intentions are wrong. The last half was boilerplate democratic talking points: kids, schools, economy, Iraq bad - welfare good, yada,yada,yada…

Posted by: Murph at March 18, 2008 01:20 PM (Dw2sU)

79 Translation: bend over and take it, honky

Posted by: someone at March 18, 2008 01:22 PM (2z2WN)

80 This time we want to talk about the men and women of every color
and creed who serve together, and fight together, and bleed together
under the same proud flag.

Is this the same flag Obama won't wear on his lapel?

Posted by: Warden at March 18, 2008 01:22 PM (rZ5uY)

81 just to let everyone know, I wrote a reaction to the speech.

It's not that it's great, per se... I just always worry that once a comment thread is going, no one ever checks back for updates.


Posted by: ace at March 18, 2008 01:23 PM (SXBHu)

82 "I didn't own slaves..."

None of my known American, European, Middle Eastern, or African ancestors did, either.

Obama's did.

A lot of mine were slaves.

Obama's weren't. Not a goddamn one.

So I'd find it hard not to punch the white bitch in the mouth if he talked this kind of shit within reach.

"If you're a white person voting for Obama wow are you a sucker."

At least if you're white, you can pretend you're voting for a black guy and make a display of it. You're getting something.

If you're not white and you're supporting him for saying things like he did today, or thinking he believes them, then you're an *all-day* sucker.

He *is* Whitey, you dumb fucks.

Posted by: Retired (Not Gay) at March 18, 2008 01:23 PM (k5JzA)

83 change is difficult
there is much work to be done
get to it, whitey

Posted by: Haiku Warden at March 18, 2008 01:24 PM (rZ5uY)

84 this probably settles the "Obama: secret muslim" nonsense. I only watched the first few minutes, I'm busy and if you have seen one Obama speech you have seen them all, but from what I have read it fits his pattern (based on NAFTA, Rezko, this and the "Obama is lying about withdrawing from Iraq" thing that will be an issue next week):
-claim it didn't happen
-admitsomething happened,but it wasn't what they said it was
-get caught lying again, admit it is what they said it was, but it reallyisn't the way it looks
-read speech about hope, people who opposeobamahate unity andare probably racist
-get bj from press
-repeat next week with corruption issues or problems with senior advisors admitting that he is bullshitting the public
How is this guy any different from any other pol?

Posted by: bleh at March 18, 2008 01:26 PM (/InkS)

85

Was this cocksucker wearing a flag pin on his lapel?

Ah, no he wasn't.

More of his ovaltine Malcom X shit.

Fuck this stutterin prick.

Posted by: Sir E Buzz Heinz-Miller-Heinz, Esq at March 18, 2008 01:30 PM (sf4Oe)

86 Obama just murdered his chances with average voter....However, that was
a great "give me the nomination" speech for Dims. He gave them
everything they wanted. America sucks, but it could be great if you
follow me to unicornland.

Just wait 'til we get to Candy Mountain! It'll be an adventure!

Posted by: Charl E. Unicorn at March 18, 2008 01:46 PM (e59Bv)

87 Obamalamadingdong

Posted by: LarryHagmansLiver at March 18, 2008 02:00 PM (ahChV)

88 Does this conclude the "identity speech-ifying" or is it only halfway completed?
Religion Card ID speech: check Race Card ID speech: check Gender Card ID sobfest:check, check, and check (never ended, ongoing?)Cranky Old Bastard/Hero Card ID speech: ? (go f' yourself, you f'in' jerk?)
And ultimately, why is this shit usurping a dedicated presentation of sound, detailed, policy discussions?
Is everybody shooting from the fucking hip, this presidential go-around?
So many questions....

Posted by: The Beano isn't working... at March 18, 2008 02:09 PM (vR+E/)

89 seems like he just told everyone to go fuck themselves.

Posted by: Mike in chicago at March 18, 2008 02:09 PM (1N54T)

90 This is supposed to be a changey occasion! Let's not spoil it by bickering about who celebrated the killing of who!

Posted by: Sir Obama of Swamp Castle at March 18, 2008 02:11 PM (xzoq5)

91 I'm not gonna lie to ya... when I read the speech on Drudge, I felt slightly moved. But it was the same kinda moved I felt when first reading Camille Paglia. Then it was "I'll be damned, a female intellectual actually reads the male psyche with sympathy and understanding." Now, it was "I'll be damned, a black politician suggesting that racist politics are past and that fear of crime is not racist." What's more, I believe that this jibes with what he really believes. He really thinks about his own status as He Who Speaks to Both Races.
I also think it an exaggeration to say that he threw his grandmother under the bus. The conflation of the two was probably inappropriate, but intended seriously, and works with his schtick as HWSTBR.
That said, it's the same old "ferget race, it's time for class struggle!" routine. Reading "Hate Whitey" into Obama doesn't work, because as notropos pointed out, he IS Whitey. I suspect he went to Wright's church as a confirmation of his bona fides of blackness, to be an especially conscientious Good German. But as a display of socialist/progressive agitprop, it's a masterpiece. If he's said "Workers of America, Unite!" and raised a flag with sixwhite stripes, sevenblack stripes, and 50 tiny yellow hammers and sickles on a field of red, it could not have been more perfect.
It was about as good a speech from Barack Obama as he is ever likely to give. He cannot go Bill Cosby on Wright, because he needs black radicals. He cannot become an ardent Wright-ite, however long he went to that church, because he needs white proggies. And he cannot repudiate the whole mess as being a stumbling block to our politics, because he is a leftist.
It would still be best if PA was close. The longer this goes on, the better for all concerned. I want to see if Obama takes a dirty shot at Clinton when this is over.

Posted by: Andrew the Noisy at March 18, 2008 03:17 PM (c767D)

92 Can anyone think of a case where a politician has had a 20 year history
with a racial arsonist but claimed it was excused because, on balance,
he's just a capital chap?

Paging Senator Byrd, Senator Byrd to the White Courtesy Phone...

And Woodrow Wilson wasn't a racist. He didn't hate blacks. He was just a Progressive and a Eugenicist; he only wanted them extinct. Nuance, nuance...

Posted by: richard mcenroe at March 18, 2008 03:18 PM (pmtKk)

93 God Bless America.From a 70-year-old Black American who has lived through and seen the changes on our society. The media and certain politicians present our country in a more unfavorable light because it pays their mortgage'The reality is that America is better now than it was when I was a boy and I'mlooking foward to 2038 when I celebrate my 100th birthday as a very proudAmerican.

Posted by: David Adams at March 18, 2008 06:12 PM (LPff8)

94 And God bless you Mr. Adams.

Posted by: David J. at March 18, 2008 07:53 PM (ufWaM)

95 Why do I feel like I am watching one of those old movies with the guy selling snake oil to gullible townies whenever Barack Mary Obama speaks?

Posted by: William Teach at March 18, 2008 07:57 PM (NaHh8)

96 Damn Ace. You made Obama your bitch. That rant rocked.

Posted by: reno911 at March 18, 2008 09:59 PM (7RUQn)

97 Lauraw #43 "The best thing he could have done is directly and specifically refute
the hateful tripe that Wright has been preaching, point by point."

The next best thing would have been to apologize to G.Ferraro and B.J.Clinton for playing the race card on them, and denouncing the tactic, and vowing to never do it again.
But the bestiest best thing would have been to give this damn speech two years earlier followed by changing churches, that same day. To, you know, show that he actually meant some of it. Because March 2008 is a little bit late in the game for him to suddenly notice that some parts of some of these sermons "might be considered controversial."



Posted by: Stoop Davy Dave at March 18, 2008 10:01 PM (Q5qP9)

98 This post of yours, Ace, and the comments for it, are a thousand times more insightful —and funny —than anything on television or talk radio. After reading at your site about Obama's speech, who could care what the plodding dullards in the "mainstream" media have to say?

If smarts and wit alone made for a good president, there are bunch of fellows contributing here that could fill the office with distinction.

Posted by: Silber Streak at March 18, 2008 10:52 PM (sFrPS)

99 Wow, snake oil salesman first class. The voters just can't be this gullible, can they? Can't stand Gerry Ferraro but kept hollering "you go, girl" the whole time she was on Foxx. Added to all the bad things whitey is and does, telling it like it is becomes the new thing. Lord, I pray every night that John wins, even with all his worts, because he is a man of principle. Not too much though I hope to get down and dirty and give them the fight of their lives. Its our only hope!

Posted by: Judith Hofbauer at March 19, 2008 12:18 AM (ek1rx)

100 18
Juan Williams is still not satisfied.

Posted by: Cuffy Meigs at March 18, 2008 12:03 PM (uOvAE)

19
Jaun Williams isn't giving him a pass...

Posted by: Ann NY at March 18, 2008 12:03 PM (CWaJx)
Damn, if both the Williams brothers are still pissed, Obama is in trouble.

Posted by: docweasel at March 19, 2008 03:45 AM (HbCq2)

101 Obama is an outed LIAR. An ordinary pandering politician.

Obama's dream of Black President is OVER.

Posted by: Ann at March 19, 2008 07:49 AM (cScXz)

102 I think this affair is a "litmus test" for:

- whether America will tolerate the double standard for blacks that allows the "Rev" Wright to say the things he does, but would destroy a white person who said such things about blacks, i.e., tolerate black racism;

- whether America will continue to tolerate far-left paranoic hysterical, crude Hilterian-style screeds as a bona fide manner of discourse;

- whether America through the internet better understands transparent political "spin" and what bullshit it is, esp. in areas such as politicians' visititation to fancy whore houses, tappy-toes solicitation of gay sex, fellatio by Presidential interns, and attendance at cultist, extremist religious organizations.

Posted by: erisldysnomia at March 19, 2008 10:01 AM (jKqrK)

103 Default hypotheses for that 3-part litmus test:
- yes it will.
- yes it will.
- ... undefined. Please reformulate and resubmit in operationally-measurable terms.

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