1 I forgot where I heard it, but I did -- there was a poll or some sort of survey that demonstrated that while people favored missile defense, they also thought we already had a working missile defense system in place. Now, that's fucking moronic, but I have learned to understand that I live in a nation of people who are largely not... what's the word?... smart.

Um, dude? We sort of do. Not a full shield but you know it's something.

Now if people think we have the full thing up and working they are wrong but we have more now then ever before and a hell of a lot more than if the Democrats had/have their way.

2 Know what pisses me off still?  That Adobe still hasn't fixed their fucking bug w/ flash.  The best they can do to make me get over this shit is that they go "Here's us eating a fucking bullet".

3 Can we shoot some more shit down?  I like it.

4

I have a brilliant idea...

 

How about we hook up the working missile defense system to an ergonomically superior control mechanism, let's say a trackball, and we train our operators to use said trackball to guide the missiles to their targets, which can include incoming ICBMs, enemy bombers, and satellites.  Each operator will be in control of three missile batteries that will be used to protect at least six US cities.  Each battery, however, will only have a finite number of missiles, but they will be resupplied after every wave of enemy attacks.  Since we also have to focus on budget considerations, I also propose that each operator be required to pay a small portion of their training costs.  The number I've worked out is approximately 25 cents.

 

Whaddya think?

5 Whaddya think?

We're going to need a lot of quarters to make it work.

6

"Michael Goldfarb says: The "rogue" satellite cost more than a billion dollars. One suspects its destruction will be of greater value to this country than any mission it could have performed as a functioning spy satellite."

Shock and awe?

....... and China, go pound sand!

7 Shit. Sorry EC, I didn't read all the way through. You already made the quarters joke.

Based on my many hours of training back in my youth, I feel I am fully qualified to take my position defending out country.

8 EC I'm just your man.  I trained extensively for that job in the early 90's

9 This is driving the moonbats crazy:

There was a glitch in the video right before the explosion, i'm a little skeptical if thats what the missle really shot. Sounds farfetched to me.

10 A good operator should be able to defend America using no more money than a hamburger off the dollar menu at McDonald's.

11

ME ARE ROCKET SCIENTIST! Chicken pot, chicken pot, chicken pot PIEEEE! Durrrrr...

No, not really -- I'm a management dweeb. Thanks for the link, Ace.

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 A good operator should be able to defend America using no more money than a hamburger off the dollar menu at McDonald's.

Done and done!

13

That's a hoax video. Where was the Praxis Ring?

F*king amateur hacks.

14 "Well, Duh.  We won the Spanish-American War with our missile systems!"  (He says, looking around for one of Slublog's stellar photoshops of Teddy Roosevelt riding up San Juan Hill with a rocket launcher on the back of his horse). 

15

Based on my many hours of training back in my youth, I feel I am fully qualified to take my position defending out country.

 

EC I'm just your man.  I trained extensively for that job in the early 90's

 

Hehe...not many people realize that we possess the world's largest cadre of highly trained weapon specialists.  One highschool....shiiit....one junior highschool, would contain twice the number of competent missile commanders we would need to protect America against any attack.

As president, I will enact legislation requiring all parents to purchase an Xbox360 for their children upon reaching 4 years of age.

16 Regarding our nascent missile defense technology, I remember reading that Sparta and Athens had naysayers who said that shield technology was provocative and unfair to less advanced barbarians from across the Mediterranean.  I think those naysayers were kicked down a well of doom.  Sort of like ICBM shield critics today, just saying...

Anyone read Red Rabbit, I think they were using the SM4 in that.  Its probably easier for a missile to hit an object on a ballistic trajectory that is actually heading towards you instead of trying to reach out and touch something that is traveling tangentially to you at 18,000mph.

17

Of course there are certain people who will downplay this!  Think of it from their point of view - if this is successful then the US will be even freer to act around the world than it is, and fewer nations will be able to restrain the US with the threat of a nuclear strike.  That would be terrible because a rogue America needs to be quarantined for the good of an innoccent world.  It was a sad, sad day for those folks when the Soviet Union collapsed and the one nation that could keep America contained was gone.

18

Its probably easier for a missile to hit an object on a ballistic trajectory that is actually heading towards you instead of trying to reach out and touch something that is traveling tangentially to you at 18,000mph.

You mean a "deflection shot"?  We shot down that satellite using a deflection shot, didn't we?

 

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19 deflection shot?  I guess.  And we did it with an SM3.

20 I though we were still fighting Indians with muskets, lice filled blankets, and selling booze to Comanche's.....

Who would have known the Navy had missiles - I thought they still were fighting Kamikazi's and Barbary priates.

21

Cuffy Meigs is actually a contractor working with the Defense Missile Agency (rocket scientist, who knew? I always thought he was a fucking idiot, myself)

No, he really is a fucking idiot.  Not really the sharpest tool in the shed, if you catch my drift.  Not operating with a sufficient amount of RAM, if you get my meaning.

Just sayin'.

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No, he really is a fucking idiot.  Not really the sharpest tool in the shed, if you catch my drift.  Not operating with a sufficient amount of RAM, if you get my meaning.

Just sayin'.

I also understand he's been having some problems with his TPC reports.

23 Fred:  I think you meant Barbary Pilates.

24 That's TPS report you fucking moron.

25

You mean a "deflection shot"?  We shot down that satellite using a deflection shot, didn't we?

I doubt it.  The trick is done using a small powerful telescope to see the target far off and manuever to collide with it, or more accurately, let it collide with you.  Imagine a several-hundred-pound bug hitting your windshield at mach 25.

The more powerful the telescope, the more time to manuever into that collision position, and at closure rates in the range of (I would guess) 4-5 miles per second, you need need every friggin second if you are positioning yourself in space within a meter or so.

The gotcha is that the more powerful the telescope, the narrower the field of view, all things being equal (which they never are).  So I'm guessing that it is a head-on approach with the satellite too, or else the telescope would have to have high power, high resolution, AND a wide field of view, which means it would have to be bigger than the pictures I have seen of them.

Sure the telescope could pivot, but that would introduce a whole nasty set of engineering problems to control the pointing of it within an RCH, so I suspect they just bolt the sucker down and point the whole thing at it head on.  Just my $0.02.

26 "RCH" is a technical term for a very small tolerance. I'm thinking there are many on this site who will understand its derivation.

27 "RCH" is a technical term for a very small tolerance. I'm thinking there are many on this site who will understand its derivation.

Rosie's Chocolate Hunger? Dude, that's a rather large number.

But what do I know? I'm a moron.

28 they probably tracked the thing with radar.  and used computers to computer when the missile had to be launched so that it would arrive at the same time the satellite was there.  I don't think most telescopes can see around the curvature of the planet to track an item that is orbiting it.

29

AEGIS cruisers have been using missiles to shoot down missiles since the late 70's, early 80's. I always thought the 'you can't shoot a missile with a missile' argument was especially stupid.

AEGIS is teh R0x0Rz. It's a technical term.

30 Back in what is now ancient history, we supposedly did have a "missile shield" - but it was some piece of crap for just Washington D.C. The ABM treaty that President Bush withdrew from allowed both us & the Soviets "one emplacement". We let ours lapse (in the 80s I think) because we'd realized how poorly it would preform against top-of-the-line ICBMs.

31 yeah, I think that missile shield used Nike missiles.  Like the Genie missile, it was a fire and pray device that had a nuclear warhead on it.  Big boom can make up for bad aim.

32 BTW, I think I know what C and H stand for, but the R?
I don't unt-erstand what may air-or is...

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Any. Time. We. Want. You.

Just sayin'...

34 I recall seeing video from some of the missle-on-target-missle shots they've been doing recently (within the last few months).  The video sure looked like it was coming from the kill vehicle, and the shots were broadside to the target.  For the ship-based interceptor in real world conditions, a zere-deflection-angle shot is going to be extremely rare, especially if you're dealing with multiple incoming warheads going to multiple strike points.

35

South of Stl, in a town called Pacific is the Nike School.  It's an elementary school built on the site of an old Nike interceptor base.  The base closed in the mid 60's.  I've done some work at the place, and you can still see the bunkers and the doors over what used to be the launchers.

36

"R" stands for "Red".  As in the finest, softest, most comfortable...  Jeebus, I am so damn old.

Responding to points above:

1. Radar is certainly used, but for hit-to-kill (today) you need optical terminal guidance.  The big gold-colored tube in this picture of an EKV is the telescope.

2. Telescopes at orbital altitudes looking at targets 100-200 miles away do not have to see around the curve of the Earth.

3. I may be wrong about the deflection thing, but I remember reading that they try to avoid high deflection shots since the error radius is lower when range is eliminated as a component, as it is in head-on approaches.

37

Red, eh?  We just use MCH, M standing for micro, quantity typically one.

As for you young whippersnappers, I trained for this stuff in the early 80's, let alone early 90's.

Last but not least, vis a vis the 'tards who thought we've always had a missile defense in place, a postdoc I worked with (a highly cynical lad) summed it up pretty well.  "The vast majority of folks go through life with everything set to soft focus."

38

Cuffy Meigs is actually a contractor working with the Defense Missile Agency

Hmm, putting tater tots on a tray in the DMA dining facility makes him a contractor? 

39 Is it wrong that I have a stiffy after watching that?

Because seriously, that's an awesome explosion.

40 When I was a younker, my Dad used to take us to the Nike bases around NYC, especially  Forts Totten and Tilden.

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Ok, this is going to be a really stupid "duh" question, so my apologies first, but I thought that the big space explosions we see in movies couldn't really happen because of the vacuum of space, lack of oxygen, etc.  Soooo, how come there was one?  Was it not in "outer space" enough?  Was the explosive in the missile and/or the fuel in the satellite part liquid oxygen?

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