1

Slublog, so when are you going to make your "maybe McCain isn't so bad, after all" post?

2 I'm thinking about the time McCain apologizes for calling me a nativist.

3 She looks like a fine candidate.

But will she iron my shirt?

4 Don't get me wrong, I'll vote for McCain, but I can't quite bring myself to sing hosannas for him.

5

Woo hoo!

Let's hear it for the 2008 version of Mondale/Ferraro.

 

6 Heh. I just noticed that Bart's anti-sockpuppet tag in "+Gahy"

7 Slu, any links for McPainInTheAss's speech at CPAC, yet?

8

Don't read too much into that, redrubel.

Sicko.

9 John Bolton for VP.

10

Who said anything about hosannas for McCain? His VP pick will make a big difference in how silent I am in my willingness to pull the lever for him.

tmi3rd

11 A good percentage of convervatives will sit on their hands in the fall, so it doesn't make any difference who the VP nominee is: McCain will lose. Maybe something will rise phoenix-like from the ashes during the Obama years.

12 So we're voting for kevlarchick as VP?

13 The VP in a McCain administration isn't likely to be allowed to do much, so it really doesn't matter who he picks.  Plus, whoever he picks is in serious jeopardy of having his/her career ruined.  As I like Palin (having researched her earlier), I'd prefer she stay up in Alaska for now, preferably making a run at the US Senate.

14 And since it's Alaska, and they almost used to have pretty much legal pot, or maybe still do, it could bring the Paulbots on board.

And those 3 electoral votes that otherwise might have gone for Hillary/Obama, why, that's just icing on the cake.

15
Never heard of her.  Why would I want her as president because that is the job she must ultimately be able to fill? It seems like they are just trying to nominate a woman to counter Hillary!/Obama.

16 1. Why should we care who the VP is? All the Veep does is sit around waiting for someone to die? I doubt McCain is going to listen to anyone's opinion but his own.

2. Even if it mattered who the VP was, why would the party listen to us now? Out of four or five perfectly acceptable alternatives, the party gave the nomination to the Cranky Old Geezer Who Was Next in Line. They really don't care what we think.

17 McCain probably won't make a pick until the top of the Dem ticket is set, or there abouts. There's no need to. He needs to do some fence mending on his own for a while.

18 No sale.

That's not even a passable haircut in Alaska.

And those glasses are for Jewish grandmas and round-headed hipster chix, not Superman-jawed moose-killin' conserva-babes.

Get it together, sister.

_{^{Snap, snap!}}

19

Think of the worst 3 people who McCain will potentially pick for Veep.

Now take the worst of those 3, and that's who he'll pick.

McCain's Veep will be:

- Old

- Male

- Centrist

- White

- Have lots of baggage

His Veep will not only make Jack Kemp look like a good pick, he'll make that Admiral Whathisname who ran with Perot seem like a good pick.

20 My guess is Brownback.

21

He needs to do some fence mending on his own for a while.

LOL, you're right. McCain probably irked lots of his independent and democrat friends with his appearance at CPAC, today.

 

22 Bart, ever since runninrebel pointed it out, it's bugging me. You really should log out, or clear out your cache, or whatever it is you do to change the anti-sockpuppet tag thing. +gahy is just, well, you know....

23 I wouldn't mind Tom Coburn as his VP. He is pretty solidly conservative, and will counter McCain's liberal tendencies.

24 Yo quiero Vincente Fox por vice presidente!

25

Let's see what hash I get now...

homophones!

26 Or Michael Steele, who should've been chosen as the RNC chair instead of Martinez.

27 McCain probably irked lots of his independent and democrat friends with his appearance at CPAC, today.

Nah. I doubt it. They like McCain because he's "Teh Maverick" who uses "Straight Talk" not for his positions on policy.

28 Too soon for Palin at that level, but she seems to be a great long-term project. She really needs to serve a full term as Gov. before moving to the national level.

However, the GOP can start working on that at the 08 convention. The keynote speaker needs to be one of the younger generation GOPers: Palin, Jindal, Steele etc. If the GOP picks some crusty old baby-boomer Vietnam-era blowhard to deliver the keynote, I'll be extremely pissed.

29

Still got it.

 

You guys are going to pacified with a "conservative" on the ticket? Fuck that. Anyone who sides with McCain is a sell-out.

 

Exept for Mitt Romney.

 

That would pacify me.

 

 

30 Steelel for VP, Mitt Romney for RNC Chair!!!!!!

31

If we're gonna put a broad in there, she needs to show some leg.

Just sayin'

 

32 Palin would be a very bad choice.  She has very little experience as Governor (and consequently wouldn't make a plausible next-in-line for the Presidency), she wouldn't put any states or regions in play, and she's not that great as a campaigner. 
Thompson might actually work as a choice (although the double whammy of old white dudes at the top of the ticket doesn't help with the whole "change" theme).  But I still prefer Tim Pawlenty, who is Dan Quayle if Dan Quayle were extremely smart and had serious crossover appeal.  He might not bring Minnesota to us in a year with such structural disadvantages for the GOP, but he will help us keep Iowa and would put a whole bunch of key upper midwest states in play (MN, WI, MI)

Plus, for those worried about Johnny Mac's immigration bona fides, you'd love Pawlenty's.

33 Jeff B: Just for information, I worked for Dan Quayle and he is extremely smart. See what media brainwashing can do to a person.

34 Hell, at this point I'm looking to see who Hillary or Obama pick as VP. They get someone halfway conservative and I would rather vote their ticket.

35

"She's a hockey mom, she lives on a lake, she ice fishes, she snowmobiles, she hunts, she's an NRA member, she has a float plane, and her husband works for BP on the North Slope,"

BUNK!

36 Hillary will pick Obama.

37 Good enough for me. Hillary/Obama 08!

38 However, the GOP can start working on that at the 08 convention. The keynote speaker needs to be one of the younger generation GOPers: Palin, Jindal, Steele etc. If the GOP picks some crusty old baby-boomer Vietnam-era blowhard to deliver the keynote, I'll be extremely pissed.

I'm pulling for Jindal myself.

39 McCain may actually pull this off. McCain's speech was one of the best given at CPAC. 

I was sorely pissed yesterday but after McCain's speech at CPAC today I'm inclined to give him a chance.  He may be a lot more astute as a politician than I thought.

We face a major battle ahead, though.

40

At 72 year old McCain will be fighting a war while fighting media/entertainment, his VP choice is important.

Working at the Capitol is not like working at the White House,  McCain will have to give up that six months worth of free time to play and have fun.

At this point, I'm looking at 2012.

41 Young, articulate and conservative?

How about J.C. Watts?

42 We need a really strong conservative for VP. And a nice sniper rifle. Paging Mr. Lee Harvey Jr,,,,,,,Give this broad a chance, and bring back Rove and Cheney as "advisors".

43 Seriously, can't we come up with a way to show our disgust over the GOP's canididate? Start a fund for a candidate to be named later, say 2012. Ace probably wouldn't mind holding all the donations for 4 years, I'm sure of it.

2012, year of distribution: Hey, where in the hell did his blog go?

44

I'm really getting sick of this comparison with previous elections.  Contrary to Sanitan's maxim (and I don't think it even applies in the modern age, unless you do alot of Monday morning quarterbacking), presidential elections is such a small sample size with completely different circumstances that such comparisons are sophomoric.

Bart, you young idiot, comparing the 1984 election to this election is absolutely stupid, as does the 1996 election for those of you that are comparing Dole to McCain.  The best comparison is 2000 or 1988 where there was no incumbent, but even then there was a VP as a candidate.

You wanna compare elections, look at 1968 and 1992, in both instances a third party candidate caused a result that the majority of Americans didn't want.

45

Whoever said Lieberman...

That's actually McCain's best option. It would be smarter for him to go whole hog centrist and try to steal 100% of the independents from Clinton.

McCain, with Lieberman, will be able to get lots of Democrat moderates who either don't like or are indifferent about Hillary. McCain will still also get a decent amount of Conservatives, no matter who he picks for Veep, who hate Clinton and love the troops enough to vote for him.

So there's not a single reason in the world for McCain to pick a conservative Veep to pacify the base, or even reach out to the base. He can pick Lieberman and have a very good shot at winning the general election with a centrist/moderate/democrat campaign.

46

...if Dan Quayle were extremely smart...

Dan Quale is extremely smart. If I remember correctly, he actually wrote his own projected Federal budget, by hand, for his last presidential run. He's just immensely boring and so gosh-darned, gee willikers, ordinary that's easy to make him look stupid.

 

 

47 "However, the GOP can start working on that at the 08 convention. The keynote speaker needs to be one of the younger generation GOPers: Palin, Jindal, Steele etc. If the GOP picks some crusty old baby-boomer Vietnam-era blowhard to deliver the keynote, I'll be extremely pissed."

This ^

If only the GOP would do it and start shedding the stupid party image.

48

How do I feel about Lieberman?

Probably the same as y'all do: Lieberman is a good Democrat. Wish they were all like him. But he still has shitty political postions on most issues and I'll never forget his and Gore's antics during 2000 to steal the election with ballot recounting and the help of the courts.

49 How about Guiliani? He seems to be sucking up to McCain since he lost, and I'm sure McCain enjoys that.

He probably won't pick Fred because Fred would make him look bad and steal focus. Plus it wouldn't be good to have two OLD guys for Pres and VP.

Or what about Michael Steele? I was impressed by him during his run for Senate, and he might cause some black voters to hesitate voting for Obama maybe? (assuming they are playing identity politics)

50

...a nice sniper rifle. Paging Mr. Lee Harvey Jr...

Care to rephrase that?

 

51 Lieberman or Zombie Reagan...

Doesn't make a bit of diffence if Obama shows up on the dems ticket.

52 Wow, Bart, you're not +ghay anymore.


It's a miracle, I tells ya

53 Yea! McCain gave a speech where he didn't call us greedy racists or anything! He might even put a conservative in the bucket-of-warm-piss job of VP! We forgive him for everything! Mac is back!

54

To recap, VP conservative Fred Thompson will balance liberal McCain. There is no way that McCain could FORCE the GOP to put Independent Lieberman on the GOP ticket. The GOP ticket remains the possession of the Republican Party, not the Maverick usurper. Fred Thompson will provide conservative leadership in Congress as the VP through his successful negotiating skills with liberals while protecting conservative core interests. Furthermore, Fred Thompson is probably the only Republican friend that McCain has, invaluable in keeping McCain sane under the pressures to come. Not only would McCain benefit immensely with Thompson at his side, conservatives would benefit with Thompson’s voice of reason.

Others have noted that by age, older people more frequently and consistently vote than do the young. So "age" of candidate in getting the voter turn out would not be hindered by a McCain/Thompson ticket.

McCain and Fred might not reach a consensus to run together on a common platform. At that point, good luck finding some VP that McCain won't intimidate the hell out of in constant company.

As noted previously, the manner of presentation sells to the masses.

And it's the unified effort that enables victory.

55 Posted by: hutch1200 at February 07, 2008 08:26 PM (4/73N)

Um, let's go easy on the whole 'death threat' thing, okay?

56 How will Fred to all of that? He didn't even come close to winning the primary. Insert that saying about a pig and lipstick here.

57

JFH, my allusion to the '84 campaign had more to do with picking a token woman as a Veep to counter the "diversity" on the other ticket. It really wasn't a comparison of the two campaigns.

But thanks for aknowledging my youth.

58

Yeah, well that's a nice Elk or Moose or whatever the hell it is, but do I have to remind you morons?

Our current VP hunts... people.

59 Michael Steele!!!!!!
or
Mitt Romney!!!!!!

60 Spartan,

I think it is one of those freakin' caribou that won't mate if there is drilling within 50 miles of its habitat. She shot it so we could drill in Anwr and increase global warming...it is really cold in Alaska I hear.

61 Fred Thompson will provide conservative leadership in Congress as the VP through his successful negotiating skills with liberals while protecting conservative core interests

When he's awake.

Get real. I know people think a side of fries or cole slaw will help the shit sandwich go down easier, but be real. McCain doesn't listen to anybody but McCain. His VP is going to be an obsequious boot-licker like Huckabee or Martinez, and if it is a conservative, his job is going to be attending funerals. His policy positions will be irrelevant.

62 I'm not thrilled at what has transpired but what will Obama do as President?

He'll most likely have a House and Senate still in Democratic hands and a vocal base behind him.  We think Hillary Clinton would be dangerous as president and she would -- but Obama will be better? 

Obama's voting record in the Senate is, according to what I've read, as liberal as any.  He gets a consistent 100 rating from liberal organizations.  He's been endorsed by Ted Kennedy and John Kerry.

As bad as McCain has been, I can't see conservatives rolling over and allowing a Kennedy clone to take the Oval Office.  Obama -- Clinton -- there is no real difference.  They will begin the total destruction of this country and, quite possibly, finish that destruction.

We can't allow that to happen.  Our differences with McCain are not nearly as big as our differences with the Socialists (and let's face it, the Democratic Party died long ago and is now the American-equivalent of a UN-fawning, European-styled Socialist Party).

I was angry yesterday and that's the way it is in a partisan political system.  Today, I have to consider the true cost of sitting home in November.

63 His Veep will not only make Jack Kemp look like a good pick, he'll make that Admiral Whathisname who ran with Perot seem like a good pick.

Pfffft.  I like Jack Kemp.  And "Admiral Whatshisname" was a goddamned American hero, MOH and all.  (I still don't understand him running with Perot, but whatever.)

VP is going to be an obsequious boot-licker like Huckabee or Martinez

I can guarantee it won't be Huckabee.  Won't be Martinez either, but definitely not Huckabee.

64 (Clinton and Obama) will begin the total destruction of this country and, quite possibly, finish that destruction.

You forgot to add that people who do not intend to vote for McCain are hysterical and irrational.

65 So how far over to the left do we inch just to win and election? To the point where the right and left are indistinguishable?

This is the year to say no.

66

His policy positions will be irrelevant.

Not necessarily there, ah, little goyl.

The Veep, if not somenone like Dick Cheney, will be next in line for the presidency and will have a big advantage in the election. Whether or not s/he'll win is a different story. But the Veep is considered the heir apparent to the party's nomination.

 

67 OK, no more innuendo of death threats. But, be honest. I'm sure I'm not the only one who thought it.

68 McCain, with Lieberman, will be able to get lots of Democrat moderates who either don't like or are indifferent about Hillary. McCain will still also get a decent amount of Conservatives, no matter who he picks for Veep, who hate Clinton and love the troops enough to vote for him.

But he still wouldn't get the Jewish vote.

BTW--Bart, that post about pacifying brings up strange images of baby toys.  Just sayin'

69 Yeah, I can see over the rest of this race that the "end of the world" argument is gonna get a lot of use.  That horse is already dead, it's gonna suck to have to watch the poor thing get beaten for another 8 months..

70 I'm sure you were, hutch.  Except for the moonbats at DU/Kos, that is.

71 That VP thing hasn't worked out very well for the heir apparent in actually becoming president in quite some time.

72 It is definitely NOT going to be Lieberman.  I know some of y'all think that's likely because you think McCain is actually a Democrat, but no way.

73

Beth, as usual, you're wrong. Jack Kemp is a fine gentleman, but he sucked as a candidate. And Admiral Whatshisname was fucking demented at the time Perot picked him as a token military running mate. Thanks to Ross Perot, a great American was ridiculed and embarrassed by the media and the Democrats.

If you're going to disagree with me just because you enjoy it, at least know what the fuck you're talking about.

74 "That VP thing hasn't worked out very well for the heir apparent in actually becoming president in quite some time."

Ever since about '88. What didn't work out very well for Bush, Sr. was '92.

75 I remember watching the VP debate that year, Bart.  It wasn't pretty.  I had a friend who had bet Perot at 25-1 and watched the price go to 50-1 after the debate.  The man was a hero, but he just didn't have it together anymore.  Definitely sad.

76 The Veep, if not somenone like Dick Cheney, will be next in line for the presidency and will have a big advantage in the election.

Not really.

First of all, do you guys really think the American public is going to elect Republicans in perpetuity? Not likely. And McCain winning (shudder) in 2008 means it is more (not less) likely a Democrat will be elected in 2012. Which is one of the big reasons I don't sweat losing this one.

77

Mark Sanford.  Young, conservative, a governor and the future.  So, not a sop to the conservatives, but someone who can receive the mantle.

78 "Ever since about '88. What didn't work out very well for Bush, Sr. was '92."

True...but it would also mean 8 years of McCain. Not unless the VP can challenge the president after his first term. That would be kinda cool

79 Lindsay Grahamnesty to appeal to the "light-in-the-loafers-Maverick" crowd? No WAY. Hunter, Steele, Romney, there are a lot who could assure the conservative crowd, especially with McCain's age

80 Lieberman already said he's not interested. But Kennedy and Feingold are still available.

81 My Maxim is this: No matter what you can think of, at least a dozen other people are also thinking it. And three are actually doing it. Be it stalking politicians to having sex with a midget transvestite eskimo. P.S. Thanks for lumping me in with the Kozkids. You prick bastard. They're too busy looking for Squeaky Fromms' spawn to whack hillary for not being enough of a leftist.

82 McCain could pick Obama if Hillary beats him out. That would surely make both parties start this year from scratch.

83 If its is Steele, than Maryland will be the state where you can find the VP candidates with the least experience.  We're not supposed to be the party of affirmative actionb.

84 Mark Sanford.  Young, conservative, a governor and the future.  So, not a sop to the conservatives, but someone who can receive the mantle.

He would be a good pick.  He's got an ACU rating in the low 90s.

85 For once I am lucky to be in Massachusetts.  My vote for President does not count. 

But, if it did, MexCain over the Beast, but Obama over MexCain.

Oh well.

Nothing brings people over to Conservatism like unchecked Liberalism.

2012 should be better.

86 Fred had his moment to shine and he blew it, he brings nothing at this point. I like Michael Steele, but another name I hear a lot is Haley Barbour, Gov. of Miss. and former RNC Chair.

87 If Huck is VP, I stay home. Just sayin'.

88 To mend fences with the right, its best to give them the presumptive nominee after the 2 terms, not some coot like Thompson.

89 Bart, as usual, you're an ignorant gasbag not even worth my time.
Did I say he was a "great candidate?"  NO.  I said I like Kemp.  Tell me how I'm wrong again? 
Cocksucker.

90

You go Huckabee if your pollster tells you that the conservatives are gone.

91

Yeah, but you guys are forgetting one thing.

 

I don't need you and I don't give a shit about you.

92 Called a cocksucker from a chick? That's Hot!

93 What self-respecting Conservative would ever tag-team with MexCain?

The one that arranges the meeting is the traitor.

94 I heard Admiral Stockdale speak several years after the '92 election. He didn't seem demented to me; he seemed more like someone who was speaking well over the heads of the morons on late night TV who made him the butt of endless jokes.

He also had a rather slow and deliberate speaking style, which is common for someone who has spent four years in solitary confinement, and seven years as a POW.

He was running with Perot as a favor to Perot, and in return for all of the massive amounts of effort Ross had put into the POW/MIA cause over the decades. Ross WAS/IS a goofy summbitch who helped give us the Clintons, but there's no questioning his dedication to helping our POW/MIA's.

Here's a decent obit of Stockdale in the NY Times, where he talks somewhat about his infamous statement, although it's hard to make head or tails of the Times' quotes on it....

obit

95 Hutch,

How is that hot? Just askin'...

96 I love foul mouthed broads like Beth. And Hillary!

97 McCain's speechwriter for President!

I just read his CPAC speech and really liked it, except for the part where he didn't say it was wrong of him and his immigration cronies to tar opponents of the bill as bigots,  And the part where he forgot to admit that McCain-Feingold was a giant, friggin' unconstitutional mistake.  But seriously, as long as I read it without hearing his voice in my head, I was getting pretty pumped about voting for him.  I guess the next time I see him suck up to Jon Stewart on The A Daily Show, I'll revert back.

98 I am still holding out for Pandora Peaks even though Vice President Pandora Peaks doesn't sound near as good as President Pandora Peaks

99 Don't worry, Vercingetorix, it won't be Huck.  He is staying in the race.  If he got out now, I might even be worried about it.  But he's not getting out.  Check his website/blog.

100 Doh!  McCain sock puppet off.

101 P.S. Thanks for lumping me in with the Kozkids.

Lumped is as lumped does. 

102 Anyone else get a Smithers-Mr. Burns vibe whenever Jeff Larkin posts. I imagine his computer starts up with a photoshopped naked picture of McCain. "Hello... my good friend... you're... quite good ... at... turning ... me ... on."

103 Yeah, as long as it isn't Huckabee as VP...that was the problem...othewise McCain was a swell canidate...yeah, that was the problem.

104

We already have a great VP.  Why change?  Keep Dick, Dicking them!

McCain/Cheney

105 Look at the VP angle from the other direction.  Why would anyone want that slot?  I think McCain's VP choices are going to be fairly limited because it's not going to look like a smart career move to most of the potential candidates.

106

We already have a great VP.  Why change?

McCain/Cheney

 

LOL!

107 Yeah, as long as it isn't Huckabee as VP...that was the problem...othewise McCain was a swell canidate...yeah, that was the problem.

LOL

108 I wish Condi hadn't gone native at State, 'cause she could at least trump the identity politics shit.

109 Who wants Lumps? 

110 V and K,

Great idea, from now on when anyone responds to Larkin start it out with Smithers!

Smithers,

No, McCain is not, "our daddy now!"

111 71 That VP thing hasn't worked out very well for the heir apparent in actually becoming president in quite some time.

Worked well for Gore - that is, got him elected kind of, despite his being an awful candidate.  Ditto for Bush 41, who broke what used to be thought of as jinx, and also inaugurated a dynasty.  Humphrey and Nixon both lost very close elections as sitting veeps - Nixon to golden boy probably after major vote fixing, HHH while defending a deeply unpopular war policy to his own base.  Plus Nixon of course came back to win twice.  Nope, VP's an exclt launching pad and kind of a sinecure.  Especially valuable if you're relatively young.  Great for Obama since he's virtually a nobody outside of his hollowed out MLK mimicry and self as political product placement - after 4 years he could claim statesmanlike gravitas or at least that he had seen the situation room from the inside.

Thing is, we'll probably be discussing this for seven more months, since there's not much reason for John lkjapoihh dipP! - oops, there I go again, another spontaneous orgasm at the mere mention of my hero's name... where was I - right there's not much reason for John to nail down the spot, and good reason not to, prior to the convention.

112 It seems that McCain has already got to work on people on his grudge list, having apparantly eaten Ace's liver for dinner with some fava beans and a nice Chianti.  Come to think of it, considering the likely condition of Ace's liver, this might work out pretty well.

113

Forget about your chances in 2012, too.

Even a couple of miserable failures like us can be reelected.

As long as you're a Democrat, you'll always have George Bush and the Republicans to blame for your failures.

114 Maybe MexCain could get Soros as veep. Then watch the Donks rip Soros as being a money changing pigdog

115

I second that, Hongqi...

VP-wise- Steele is pretty intriguing on that front... Jindal needs to spend an honest 8 years working on reassembling Louisiana before he's going to be ready for a presidential run. Let's hoard a few real strong candidates before putting all our chips in on that.

tmi3rd

 

116 Even Soros declared that McCain was too liberal. I'll link the quote later.

117 That isn't trumping the identity politics shit, that's playing the identity politics shit.

118 And Condi wasn't great before State.

119

What happened to Ace?

I expect him to serve us a shit sandwhich upon his return.

120

Uh, Bart, he'd be at CPAC... like he said earlier.

tmi3rd

121 I kinda like this broad from Alaska for VP. She could "grow" into the job. Beltway speak for becoming a shithead. BTW any moron volunteering to verify this is indeed a female? The ticket sucks now, and a tranny would make me stuff my head in a gas stove.

122 Craig could be onto something with the naughty librarian thing. Maybe she could "whip" bad little johnny into shape.

123 I swear to God I think some of you are suffering from battered spouse syndrome. It's ok to give McCain the finger, he's done it to you enough.

President McCain (with an ego now completely unchecked)
Vice President Fill in the Blank (who gives a wet fart, McCain won't)

Senate Majority Leader Reid

Speaker of the House Pelosi

Do any of you see anything wrong with the guy who loves to give the reach around while he reaches across the aisle now actually being on the same side of the aisle? Fuck me once, shame on you, fuck me 10 or twelve times, go fuck yourself.

Pass.

124 I expect him to serve us a shit sandwhich (sic) upon his return.

Bart, as usual, you're wrong.

And yes, I'm going to argue with you about your opinion on everything now, because you're such a thin-skinned little girl about anyone not having the same opinion.

125 Jack-da-man.

126 VP matters with McCain because there's a legitimate chance he might die in office. 

Plus he has a choice here of either pandering to the left or trying to mend fences with us, so while it might not benefit him much, it has the potential to be a big "f' you" to our side.  It also has the potential to at least somewhat mitigate the clamor the media are going to have for the first black/woman President.

To toss a couple names no one else has mentioned:

(It's not gonna happen, but I can dream)

Thomas Sowell (No government experience, but in the brains department it'd be impossible to argue he's an affirmative action candidate and the guy's easily on the right side of the aisle.  Obama's a reasonably intelligent guy, but in a debate over policy, the two of them aren't remotely in the same league.)

Zell Miller (Democrat with a few decades worth of experience as a Lt. Gov., Governor, and Senator--a guy who's perfectly willing to be an attack dog and unlike Lieberman (who sides with us on a few key issues we like, but overall is clearly a liberal), he had an American Conservative Union rating of 96 during his last year in office and a lifetime rating in the 70s.)

127 I think the next eight months are going to be ballin'

It started out when McCain got into his campaign limo with his campaign advisors:

McCain: You think those stupid racist greedy SOB's bought that bullsh1t?
Mark MacKinnon: F--k yeah. You are so money!
Juan Hernandez: Si, senor, estaba muy bueno
Jeff "Smithers" Larkin: I loved you, sir... I mean, they loved you, sir...

So, over the next nine months, McCain will repeatedly revert to his usual self and screw over conservatives to suck up to the liberal demos, the McCainiacs will tie themselves in increasingly desperate knots to justify their continued support.

And we will hear increasingly apocalyptic predictions about an Obama presidency until we're finally told it will unravel space and time itself and negate all existence in the universe.

And if and when Huckabee is named VP... oh man... that's just gonna be...

I think it's going to be a hilarious time.

128

44 JFH - ...look at 1968 and 1992, in both instances a third party candidate caused a result that the majority of Americans didn't want

Fascinatin' ...does that mean you know about some third party attempt likely to be attractive to the disaffected, after being dissed at CPAC?

129 AD, I think there's about a 0.0001% chance of McCain dying in the next 4-8 years.  He might have age, but he's in good health.  His goofy mother is what, 95 years old? 

130 Jack/Beth 2012. Official Moron Canidates of the New and Improved AoS Lifestyle(tm) Party......JacBeth 2012. Because Shakespeare left out the really mean shit.

131 Let me get this straight--you guys are all bashing Larkin because...why?  Because he's a McCainiac?  That's it?

132

Hey # 113, Ray Nagin is a model Mayor compared to Kwame Kilpatrick!

We got it all goin' on here in Michigan!

133 Ahem.  Beth/Jack 2012. 

Just sayin'.  ;-P

134 Breaking news:  Dobson to endorse Huckaboob!

Also, bears shit in the woods.

135

Spartan Fan, please explain how Granholm got reelected?

And can she serve a 3rd term in MI?

And is MI the right abbreviation for Michigan?

136 Posted by: Beth at February 07, 2008 10:06 PM (yqiXY)

The guy's had recurring skin cancer (hence the lump on his face) and has had to be treated for it a number of times over the years.  Plus, his mother didn't have to go through what he went through in Hanoi, which couldn't have helped McCain's longterm health prospects.

137

Posted by: Beth at February 07, 2008 10:06 PM (yqiXY)

Hid grandfather only lived to 61 and his dad only made it to 70.

BTW he was born in the Panama Canal Zone, is he eligible to be President? Since he wasn't born here and all.

138

On a more serious note, did anyone else note that in the profile shot on the intertubes yesterday, Ann Coulter seems to have sprouted a fairly respectable rack?  I liked what I saw, I did.

139 he was born in the Panama Canal Zone, is he eligible to be President?

Yes.  My stepdaughter was born there at the Army hospital.

Don't you think the Bush campaign would have pointed it out in 2000 if he were ineligible?  Don't you think just maybe Ted Olson might have clued him in?


AD,
His skin cancer wasn't life-threatening.  Anyway, look at him--does that look like someone who's in his final years? 

140 Let me get this straight--you guys are all bashing Larkin because...why?  Because he's a McCainiac?  That's it?

No, because he's an obnoxious preening dick. I wouldn't make fun of RWS because she is classy and respectful. Larkin takes glee in rubbing McCain's triumph in people's faces... much like McCain takes glee in sucking up the MSM by screwing over conservatives.

141 There's no point in worrying about a VP for McCain. Those 12-20 million new Democrat voters he's itching to swear in will make sure that McCain is the last Republican President.

142 V the K - Okay, I guess I missed it while I was hiding from y'all.  ;-P

143 Women are not made to lead. They're made to comfort.

144

BTW he was born in the Panama Canal Zone, is he eligible to be President?

Yes.  His parents were presumably US citizens, at least his Dad the Admiral was.  One's all it takes.

145 Also, Don Carne--sorry if my response was terse. 
I was just at Digg mocking idiot Paultards because they insisted he's ineligible for the Presidency (thereby making Ron Paul a "shoo-in" for President).  They're fucking insane, and not in a funny way.

146 His skin cancer wasn't life-threatening.  Anyway, look at him--does that look like someone who's in his final years?

McCain had Melanoma.  It wasn't life threatening in that he caught while he could still do something about it, but that's the most lethal form of skin cancer.

As far as what the guy looks like, nah, to me he looks fine.  Eight years of the Presidency can change that, though.

147 IIRC his dad was an alcoholic, or anyway had a problem.  Not sure about his grandfather, who died 4 days after the end of WW2 after major battle command.  It's a reasonable guess that both were heavy smokers, and that their tours of duty, completed during middle age, took a major toll.  I'm not sure when John poijakin;oikjh;;;!1 - there I go again - quit smoking, but he was an athlete in school, and, despite his injuries resulting from his POW experience, he was able afterward to re-attain his flight status, meaning he passed his physical.

Beth - yes it does seem that Jeff Larkin gets dogpiled just for standing up for McCain and not submitting to gang-bullying.  Maybe I missed whatever thread he stepped over whatever line.  I'm not really sure, since I myself was threatened with capital blog punishment, apparently for having suggested that some people needed to get over themselves (the horror, the horror).  Oh yeah, I also happened to point out that Ace got his statistics wrong.  (That's when I became PCHH the hurtful)

148 No, because he's an obnoxious preening dick.

To be fair, V the K, you're also an obnoxious preening dick.

But I don't hold that against you.

149 I see no reason for anyone to support McCain at this point, those who aren't fans may as well smack the McCain piٌata a few times and see if they can get some goodies first.

150 I'm not really sure, since I myself was threatened with capital blog punishment,

That's why I've been scarce around here.  It's a no-McCain-zone, for all practical purposes.

151 I see no reason to support him in the future either.

152 It's not really Beth. At some point Ace will do a poll and a big majority of visitors will vote for McCain. The antt-McCain folks are just venting right now.

153 I'm not really sure, since I myself was threatened with capital blog punishment, apparently for having suggested that some people needed to get over themselves (the horror, the horror).  Oh yeah, I also happened to point out that Ace got his statistics wrong.  (That's when I became PCHH the hurtful)

You're whining now because no one thanked you for telling them to get over themselves?  Now your feelings are hurt because they didn't just suck your words up like a Hoover?

Awwww.  Do you need a hug and a hankie?

154 AD, maybe I'm wrong, but it sounds like you're hoping he dies.
Sad.

155

As long as y'all still love me, it's all good.

 

 

 

 

McCain '08

Dividing the GOP since 2000

156 Believe me I understand, Beth.  I was even thinking of nominating your blog (which I'd never visited before today, apologies) as a rallying point in case we're driven into refugee status by a McCainiac Inquisition.  My guess though is that once the bruises heal (or, even better, if the McCainiacs at CPAC do their mind control voodoo on Ace), people won't be so touchy - or might even get on the team for the big win.

157 Aww, we still love ya, +Gahy

158

how about Hillary

McCain and Hillary are good friends they agree on most issues and and it will help with independents

159 Speak for yourself, runninrebel. 

160

She's a babe.

Link

161 Posted by: Beth at February 07, 2008 10:42 PM (yqiXY)

Beth, I've defended him on this site.  In fact, I hate to say it, but I've been scarcer around here lately for the same reason you have.  I just think there's a legitimate chance the guy might die in office, that's all; nothing else intended.

162 Hillary is too far to the right for McCain. He will go with the Huck!

163 Awwww.  Do you need a hug and a hankie?

If I did, probably not from you - take that as you will.

164 I was even thinking of nominating your blog

Which is down right now.  Dammit.

165 "There's no point in worrying about a VP for McCain."

There's another reason not to worry. He's not going to win. I take no pleasure in saying that, but let's get real. And the worst political kiss of death is to be the running mate to a loser. Look at John Edwards, Joe Lieberman, Jack Kemp, Dan Quayle, Lloyd Bentsen (ok, he wussed out and died), Geraldine Ferraro....

So, thinking along those lines, whose political career would you most like to see ruined?

166

Hillary is too far to the right for McCain. He will go with the Huck!

LOL

I din't think of that I will now bow my head in shame

167 That's why I've been scarce around here.  It's a no-McCain-zone, for all practical purposes.

Actually, Beth, there's a difference between McCain supporters such as you and RWS, and the sort of patronizing, holier-than-thou rhetoric used by Larkin and the semi-martyrdom now exhibited by PCHH.

168 No shame, it is hard to come up with someone who squeaks past that left side of McCain.

169 (he wussed out and died)

Oh, shoot. He just died a little over a year ago. I coulda sworn he died back in the early nineties....Guess he didn't wuss out. He just faded away....

170 Slu,

So true. But that has pretty much zero difference on how they are treated, for the most part.

171

Slu, where's Ace?

Did he ever make it to CPAC?

Is he making a backroom deal with McAmnesty?

172

Could do worse than Sarah Palin.

Link

173 Slu, where's Ace?

Beats me.  Last I knew, he was headed to CPAC.

For all I know, he's hobo-hunting with Dick Cheney.

174 So, thinking along those lines, whose political career would you most like to see ruined?

I think you just made the case for Lindsey Graham.

175 >>I'm not really sure, since I myself was threatened with capital blog punishment, apparently for having suggested that some people needed to get over themselves (the horror, the horror).

Dishonesty doesn't become you. You almost got banned for being an asshole and not for pointing out statistical errors or telling people they need to get over themselves. You have been going on for days being a petulant bitch and Ace, who has a hell of a lot more patience than I do, called you on it.

There are Paulites who have existed here and even the token liberal and as stupid as they may sound, they are still here. There are Fred supporters, Rudy supporters, a few of us Romney supporters, and we managed to argue vigorously without randomly spraying everyone who didn't agree with us as pathetic children. You took things to a personal level, repeatedly, and finally got slapped. Stop whining and pretending you were wronged. You weren't and you are still here.

Get over yourself.

176 Clinton Vs. McCain: may the better Democrat win!

Did he fire Juan Hernandez yet?

There's no way Palin gets the nod.  She's a woman who's actually accomplished something.  You're obviously unclear on the concept of a female candidate...

177 V the K,

Do you honestly think McCain would pick Lindsey Graham at this point? Seriously, do you, or are you just joking around?

178 Whoa, back that horse up there V and K. I'm throwing my Senator Brownback under that bus and there ain't room for two. Well, maybe a little more room.

179

"Also, Don Carne--sorry if my response was terse."

I didn't see it that way no apologies necessary. I figured i didn't matter but I thought I'd ask.

180 Yeah, what is the deal with Juan Hernandez? Why don't McCainiacs seem to care about that?

181 Yeah, what is the deal with Juan Hernandez? Why don't McCainiacs seem to care about that?

Here's a question...why don't you shut the fuck up and get in line?

182 I don't think Michael Palin can be VP in the US. Oh, sorry wrong one, my mistake. He could pick the time-traveled George Washington for his VP and I would still not vote for him, so it doesn't matter to me.

183 "Yeah, what is the deal with Juan Hernandez? Why don't McCainiacs seem to care about that?"

Apparently, he is the only guy who can win the war...for some reason or other. The other GOP candidate vowed to surrender instantly on beiing elected. That hurt them.

184

Beth-

There was a lot of unnecessary venom spewed at you and at RWS- I felt like the two of you were being tarred and feathered for the sins of a few other McCain defenders who weren't being as congenial.

Most of the anti-McCain venom that I saw was aimed at two or three particularly hostile, condescending, and disruptive commenters who weren't trying to defend McCain so much as tell the rest of us how stupid we all were for not supporting their guy.

And for the commenters I mentioned above- you know that I'm not given to histrionics about this sort of stuff. Beth, RWS, I thought you didn't deserve the crap that you were taking.

tmi3rd

185

I'm beginnning to see the makings of a real rapprochment between the McCain folks and the rest of us.

And its making me sick to my stomach.

186 I'm not going to defer to Rush or Mark Levin to inform my opinion on this burning question, the way most of your rubes genuflected to their inane take on this election.  They made their beds, now they're trying to spin their way out it.  He should pick Romney.  The grizzled War and Earmark Hawk with the Handsome Financial genius waiting to take the throne.  That's probably what those hosts want (strike that, they want Hilary because it's good for business) but it's what I want. 

187

I mean, I've still got a lot of bitter, immature and childish petulance to get out.

Can't Prince Hakim of the Police Force, or whatever his name was, give me some shit for being emotional or read me out of the GOP or something?  Just for old times sake?  Especially since Ace is obviously off having a threesome with McCain and Huckabee in some sleazy DC hotel room.

188 Fred,

You sir have failed to get the new talking points. We all get in line and reach across the aisle. No, no, not another word out of you.

189 "I'm not going to defer to Rush or Mark Levin to inform my opinion on this burning question, the way most of your rubes genuflected to their inane take on this election."

Never fear Fred, Aaron is here to take over their shift.

190

Posted by: tmi3rd at February 07, 2008 11:27 PM

Dittos here. Beth, RWS please don't leave us, we need wimmin around here.

Who else is gonna get us our beer and sammiches.  _{ducks and runs}

191

Beth

we are the  world we are the children

welcome back we love you

 

 

and McCain still sucks

192 Now we know the coalition Reagan drew together in the eighties was not a natural one, it needed Reagan.

The next Conservative coalition will need its Reagan.

How is Ace at public speaking?

193 Thanks, tmi3rd & other morons. 

Fred,

I'm beginnning to see the makings of a real rapprochment between the McCain folks and the rest of us. And its making me sick to my stomach.

You forgot--we were/are all Fredheads, too.  Which sounds weird, considering I'm saying this to "Fred."

194 lieberman. he actually works better for mcdumbass than a true-blue conservative.

195 McCain still sucks because Laura, Rush and Mark Levin think so.  Wait, here's a preacher over here and he wants us to move to Africa.  Wow, that Grape Juice looks tasty.  Let me have at it.  A lemming is a lemming.  Go over to your other echo chamber at Hotair, listen to Coburn own your lame narrative.

196

How is Ace at public speaking?

before or after the valu-rite?

197 How is Ace at public speaking?

Moron R3VOLution!!!

198

Aaron, nice use of "rubes genuflecting".  Normally that would have sparked a nasty retort, but the bar has been raised my friend.

You're just going to have to work a little harder to get McCainphobes exercised now.  You can blame Jeff Larkin and Prince Hakim for that.

Plus I'm starting to feel all woozy and warm and fuzzy after listening to Colburn and Allen and Romney go on about how great our wonderful party is and who got me this drink?  Why does it taste so funny?  Why are you taking my pants?  Who are you.wuzz doing ooon howfhslfhsa...

 

199 Now, now children...Why don't we all sit down and share our feelings over a big plate of fish sticks and milk!

For God's sake...stop whining about whose feelings are being hurt.  Jeez, grow up.  We ain't gonna kiss your boo-boos on this blog and make it better.

Still not voting for McDickheadDouchenozzle, my ass is still sore from the almost complete fucking it took from amnesty bill.  I'm just now able to give up the doughnut.

200

McCain still sucks because Laura, Rush and Mark Levin think so. 

No McCain sucks because he is a sleazy leftist the fact that all these fine folks recognize that is just a bonus.

201 urthshu,

First, "earth shoe?"  What, are you some nutty hippie?

Lieberman: Don’t make me laugh. They’re friends, but that doesn’t mean Mac’s going to make him VP. Lieberman brings very little to the table–Dems hate him, Republicans will be disgusted. Forget it.

Huckabee: NO. Not when he’s still running after Romney drops out.

Romney: Extremely unlikely. Bad chemistry there. Not that Vice-Presidents have always been pals with the President, but it seems to be the trend since 1992.  Besides, there are a lot of conservatives who simply find him not credible.

Fred!: Probably not. He seems older than McCain, and he’s not a campaigner. Two “old” white guys vs. Hillary or Obama? No.

I’m thinking Mark Sanford, Tom Coburn, Haley Barbour (?). Some have mentioned Kay Bailey Hutchison, but I don’t see it happening. 

Sarah Palin: I think she's kinda too new.  Maybe.

202 What is wrong with all the McCain supporters? They seem so angry and don't really give a damn about other people's positions and...who do they remind me of?

203

I'm sure Mrs. Malkin is proud.  Keep up the Bill the Butcher routine, it's worked out SO well so far.

204 I'm not angry...what are you talking about, Hongqi?

205 McCain could pick Jeri Thompson.

Bill would approve.

206 No McCain sucks because he is a sleazy leftist the fact that all these fine folks recognize that is just a bonus.

Wait. Back up the truck a little. McCain's a "leftist" now? Really? He's not just a dick, but he's an ideological socialist?

Yeah, that's gonna fly.

207 I'm not a McCain supporter.  I'm against star fucking bloggers who kneel before the gods of talk radio/blogger fame and take it up the arse because they feel like they're "part of it."  Rush could give a flying fuck about you.  To his credit.

208 And now a word from John McCain...

"I drink your milkshake.  I drink it up!"

That is all.

209

I think its going to be Huckabee.  He's been making booty calls to Johnny Mac all campaign long.  He brings in the evangelical snake handler vote (i.e. the South - sorry, Beth) and that's a key constituency that I don't think our boy (spit) feels he has wrapped.

Eh. But what do I know?  I actually donated money to Fred D. Thompson, the first time I've donated money to a political cause since the recount fight in 2000.

Oh, plus, adding Huckabee virtually ensures that I won't vote GOP at the top of the ticket, and that seems to be a trend this political season - pushing me away from the party.  Not that Princess Hakim of the Crossing Guards will mind or anything.

210 Okay, I am irritated at people like Malkin/Levin/Coulter et al.  But it's no sacrifice for me to ignore them; their angry, hostile witch-hunt schtick got old for me a long time ago.

And I do get angry about those who won't vote in November.  Not just because of McCain, it pisses me off every election.  (At least when it's conservatives/Republicans not voting.  Liberals should always refuse to vote.)

211 "Wait, here's a preacher over here and he wants us to move to Africa. Wow, that Grape Juice looks tasty."

Guyana is in South America, assuming you were trying to make a reference to Jim Jones.

(And it wasn't that bad a place, and before he died, he warned me about the kool-aid and sent me away, telling me to worship Rush, which was very strange, because it was over a decade later before I even heard of Rush Limbaugh, and I wasted a lot of years trying to convince myself that that pansy-voiced "maples fighting oak trees" shit was the voice of God. But it's ok now, because I finally know to take my orders from Limbaugh and anyone else I hear on the radio, as long as it isn't Air America or Public Radio or Sirius Satellite. So now, I'm just waiting to make nice with the McCain people until I get the word in my "Rush In A Hurry" e-mail, or on Open Line Friday.)

212 148 - Yes, you missed all those posts with the numerous ad hominems for people who disagree with him.

I can understand the non-rabid McCain supporters feeling on edge because of the many criticisms of long-time conservatives.  However, expecting it to just magically disappear now that he has the nomination is unrealistic at best and delusional at worst.  You're forgetting that this kind of loathing is exactly what McCain has been deliberately cultivating for years.  He wanted the base to be furious with him during his Senate career, and it's silly to suddenly expect those same people to share in your adoration.  He's not stupid, and if he's serious about wooing the base he's been using to advance his career from the opposing end, he knows full well and good he has a mountain of mending to do.  His speech was pretty revealing in this regard.  (Who he picks as VP will also signal how serious he is about soothing the base he's been alienating up until now)

But people such as myself who have simply and as objectively as possible expressed that McCain is our line in the sand and that we will not vote for him are equally sick of being told to 'shut up and toe the party line', that we're 'childish' and 'selfish' for standing up for our principles.  There is nothing childish about a protest vote or staying at home as a protest, and it does not mean that said protesters want a 'perfect candidate'.  What it means is that a voter finds the choices before him morally unacceptable.  You wouldn't expect a believing Christian doctor to abort an unborn child, so it's unfair to demand a conscientious voter  make a vote he/she believes is wrong.  Yes, it can be frustrating because you want your guy to win, but in a free society, we have to accept the fact that people are going to follow their own moral compass, and that it may not align with yours.  So long as that moral compass doesn't include things like blowing up skyscrapers, it's protected by the Constitution.

What is childish is threatening, bullying, or insulting someone into voting the way you want them to.  That's coercion, and it's hardly a conservative principle.  You should feel insulted when someone tries to bully you into not voting for McCain.  And anti-McCainiacs likewise have every right to feel insulted when Larkin starts bullying other bloggers into falling in line behind him with enthusiasm.  The most he has any right to even hope for is for people to hold their nose and vote the way he wants them to, and he should be grateful he has that much.

The doom-and-gloom "OBAMA AND HILLARY WILL BE WORSE!!!" or "DON'T YOU SUPPORT THE TROOPS!!!!" does nothing to help McCain supporters' case, either.  Not everyone believes the worst-case scenario is a Democrat POTUS.  Some think of this as a Whig juncture and that McCain is the next Winfield Scott.  Others believe that it will take a Democratic POTUS to wake America up and shift us back to at the very least the political centre, much the way Jimmy Carter's disaster of a Presidency gave way to Reagan's ground-breaking one.  Others still wonder why bother trying to win the fight abroad only to have those same enemies sneak into the country to destroy it within and have seen no viable reason to trust McCain's campaign promises to secure the borders.  And others simply feel as if they have no reason to trust him at all given his behaviour and decisions in the past, for which it seems -- to them, anyway -- that he is entirely unrepentant.

Dismissing all these concerns simply because you're angry that these people are angry at McCain is not going to persuade anyone into voting for your candidate, full stop.  RWS has done an outstanding job of pulling for the home team and keeping out of the mud, and other McCain supporters would fare much better to adopt her style.  Accept that people are angry, have every right and reason to be angry, and give us positive reasons why you think McCain has earned our votes.  Remember: attacks on McCain are not attacks on you!  They are just that: attacks on McCain.   (Unless there really is a personal attack on a particular McCain supporter who is not a rabid McCainiac, in which case, game on)

Finally, it is true that there's been doom-and-gloom/alarmism from the anti-McCainiacs as well, and I'm sick of that every bit as much as the alarmism from McCainiacs.  But whatever happens and whoever wins, America will still be standing.  It'll take a lot more than flirtations with Socialism and illiterate fundamentalists abroad or at home to bring her down.

213 " I'm not angry...what are you talking about, Hongqi?"

Whoa, "calm down."

But you've heard that before haven't you.

214 Fred, look at Huckabee's website.  McCain is NOT going to pick him.

Besides, Huckaboob is a big spender, which McCain abhors, and I'm sure McCain realizes Huckaboob is not going to do much for him compared to another Southerner with real cred.

215

Aaron, your words, they are strong; but your thoughts, they are weak.

I'm all for another flame war but the low hanging fruit's all been taken, pal.  You're just going to have work harder to get our attention.

"Star fucking bloggers".  I mean, come on.  How long have you been here?

 

216

Wait. Back up the truck a little. McCain's a "leftist" now? Really? He's not just a dick, but he's an ideological socialist?

Yeah, that's gonna fly.

no actually it won't

217 Nice opus, Basilisk, but I don't get your "yes" as I didn't ask a question in my #148. Are you referring to a different comment?

And, BTW, has "you don't have to fall in love, but you do have to fall in line" ever been written on this blog in a non-ironic way? It seems to me that this cliche is a fabrication. There are dicks among the McCain supporters and dicks among the anti-McCain folks. Get over it, people. When did this blog become a den of passive-aggressive victomhood?

218

I generally don't give crap to people I simply disagree with (ok, some late night  wine-induced trolling aside).  I know for a fact I haven't said squat in relation to RWS, Beth, or even PCHH.  I have made some snide remarks re Larkin, simply because he's so freaking tedious.

I won't be voting for McCain, but I don't have a problem with people who do, and as I've said before I think a lot of the "McCain can't win the general" stuff is just sour grapes.  A lot is going to happen between now and November, and it's going to be interesting to say the least.

219

I hope you are right, Beth.

But naming Huckabee just feels right, given the other crap I feel like I've been wallowing in for the last couple of days.

220 Nice retort, ntac. I bow to your wit.

221 It is going to be Huckabee, mark my words. Haven't seen such a debate love fest between two "dualing" candidates since...well, it was Obama and Edwards...but you get the point.

222 What about Newt?

Too partisan for the general election?  His negatives (really ugly divorce) aren't as much a factor if he's picked as VP rather than the top of the ticket.  He'd be a terrible Presidential candidate (in the general), but VP...?

223 I guess that's the GOP talking point: if you don't like McCain you're a mind numbed robot follower of talk radio hosts. Very convincing, I'm sure you'll persuade lots of people with that tactic. Good luck with that in November when you're sitting around blaming everyone but yourself for handing the white house to a Democrat.

224 You mean I wasted a thoughtful (well, for me, anyway) post on a preening McCainiac troll?  Crap.

I see no reason for anyone to support McCain at this point, those who aren't fans may as well smack the McCain piٌata a few times and see if they can get some goodies first.

Heh, exactly.  I'm here to vent my frustrations over a decision that I really didn't have any say over.  (My state's primaries aren't until next week.  I won't be staying home since there's more than just the POTUS nomination vote, but I'm still divided between writing in Fred's name or writing in a smartass answer like Batman) 

I'm a member of several fandom-related communities that are filled with libtards, but rather than bitch them out for venting their frustrations, (even if they're all ignorant, kiddie asshats) I simply ignore it and move on.  Yeah, the whole BDS gets irritating and repetitive, but I've acknowledged that it is their space to let it all out with like-minded people.  And then I come here and bitch about them. Heh.

225 Yeah, all the GOP needs now is a really terrible Presidential canidate for the VP. Good thinking!

226 Eh, I doubt it, Hongqi. I bet McCain promised Huckabee HHS or something. I can tell from the CPAC speech that McCain knows what he needs to do to get the base behind him. He must know that Huckabee would be a disaster for him.

227 It is going to be Huckabee, mark my words. Haven't seen such a debate love fest

It's a debate.  The only thing worth noting in debates are the fights.  Kinda like hockey. 
Not gonna happen.  If I'm pissed about Huckabee staying in and forcing McCain to waste time and money on the primaries at this point, I can imagine how pissed the Powers That Be are.  I'll bet Huckaboob is getting some serious heat from the RNC right now.

228 Uhh, Basilisk, are you calling me a "McCainiac troll"? Do you read this blog?

229

You mean I wasted a thoughtful (well, for me, anyway) post on a preening McCainiac troll? 

Welcome to the club.

230 Runnin, you and Beth should get together and hash this out. You both have great ideas and I would hate to get in the middle. Go, discuss it...now...go...go...stop reading...go

231 My state's primaries aren't until next week.

Basilik, have you thought about voting for the Hildebeest just to cancel out an Obamessiah vote?  She's gonna be way easier to beat in November than the empty suit.  I think, anyway.

232 Not gonna happen.  If I'm pissed about Huckabee staying in and forcing McCain to waste time and money on the primaries at this point, I can imagine how pissed the Powers That Be are.  I'll bet Huckaboob is getting some serious heat from the RNC right now.

All well and good, except Hucktard doesn't give a shit about the RNC, he was content destroying the Arkansas GOP, what makes you think he'd care here either?

233 What's your fuckin' problem, Hongqi?  This IS a thread about the VP slot, after all.  Deal with it.

234 Hucktard doesn't give a shit about the RNC, he was content destroying the Arkansas GOP

I agree with you on that.  Just saying, he's got to be pissing off a lot of people right now--including McCain. 

235 I'm actually probably gonna register Democrat to prop up the Hildebeest for the PA primary if it goes that far.  I wish it was an open primary, but it ain't, so I'll have to be Democrat to do a tactical vote.

236 "What's your fuckin' problem, Hongqi? This IS a thread about the VP slot, after all. Deal with it."

We talked about this temper of McCain supporters before..."calm down."

Sweetheart...

237

I have given it some thought.

The Veep needs to be to the right of John McCain.

The Veep needs to help where needed.  McCain did not do well with Republicans or conservatives and he did not do well in the South.  Hillary might bring in as many as twenty million new gender-gap voters against him and Bill will bring the felons and perverts.

This is not an easy calculus, so many factors, so important a decision.

Only Chelsea Clinton would be able to work on that gender gap - after all, she has the same White House experience as her mother and is positioned to the right of McCain.

238 You don't want a discussion, Hongqi? You just want to spout your frustration?

239 I agree with you on that.  Just saying, he's got to be pissing off a lot of people right now--including McCain.

I wonder if he'll run for Senate or something, if this is him acting as the populist martyr, or start a lobby group.

240 Whatever.  Don't dish it out if you can't take it.  I guess I could say if  McCain supporters are all big meanies, Romney supporters are thin-skinned.  I could, but I won't. 
Honey.

241 217, 228 - Ack!I think I put the wrong number in.  I was answering PCHH, actually.  I believe you said in another post that you were going to 'hold your nose', and I was addressing people who are actual McCain fans.

I believe Larkin has reworded the 'shut up and get in line' meme a few times, though.  I could be wrong, but I think that was why I simply started skipping his posts after that.

175 - Ironic, too, since he quoted Matthew 7:5 at one point when you'd called out Larkin for the same thing.  Ironic that a hypocrite would point to an anti-hypocrite passage...

*sigh*  It seems that every time I try to assure people that most evangelicals are not hypocritical, holier-than-thou buffoons, yet another one comes by and reaffirms the stereotype all over again.  Thanks, guys!

242 Beth,

Give me a second Beth, I'm still workiing on the...

Newt...He'd be a terrible Presidential candidate (in the general), but VP...?

logic. Might take me a bit to catch up.

243 he did not do well in the South

Yes he did.  He didn't win, but it was reasonably close in AL and TN.  He's not unacceptable to Southerners like flippy Massachusetts politicians are. 

244

Didn't see a response to your floating Newt, Beth.

Negatives are too high.  He's a lightning rod like Hilary is.

245 Posted by: Hongqi at February 08, 2008 12:23 AM (+WuMm)

Look, Cheney wouldn't get a Presidential nomination.  Algore went nowhere when he ran for Prez the first time.  Hell, Dan Quayle was a laughingstock.  
All I'm saying is his negatives aren't really a big deal when you're #2 on the ticket.
I don't necessarily think he should be VP, anyway; I'm just tossing out ideas.

246 He's a lightning rod like Hilary is.

Which can sort of work to McCain's advantage.  Let the VP be the lightning rod instead of him. 
But yeah, he is a lightning rod.  Like I said, I'm not really advocating him; it's just a thought.

247 Posted by: Beth at February 08, 2008 12:26 AM (yqiXY)

Yes, you have a god-awful presidential candidate, why not follow that up with a really bad VP to back him up. Your words, not mine.

248 I still like Michael Steele, although his losing in MD isn't good.

249

Wait, here's a preacher over here and he wants us to move to Africa.  Wow, that Grape Juice looks tasty.  Let me have at it.

Aaron, buy yourself a fucking map.  Does stupidity hurt?

250 McCain did not do well with Republicans or conservatives and he did not do well in the South.  Hillary might bring in as many as twenty million new gender-gap voters against him and Bill will bring the felons and perverts.

This is why I have a very bad feeling McCain will pick the Hucker.  He may eschew the base vote to woo Southern evangelicals who went all weak-kneed over the asshat.  This is especially true if the Hildebeast wins the nomination; he'll need to grab some of Hillary's Southern votes.  (Ironically, he might not have that problem if Obama wins)  Usually, I would say anyone dumb enough to buy into his populist B.S. gets what he deserves, but they'll unfortunately drag everyone else down with them.

251 Satan? I don't necessarily think he should be VP, anyway; I'm just tossing out ideas.

252 Your words, not mine.

Nope.  I have never said McCain is god-awful.  Quite the opposite, actually.
Let it go, Hongqi--for the third time, I was just tossing out a name.  Good grief.

253

Could do worse than Sarah Palin.

Link

That picture would make a greate bukkake photo. You know, with the glasses and all.

 

254 Hongqi wins the thread!

Newt is the Antichrist, nobody ever listen to another thing he says ever again!

Happy?

255

Basilisk --

You make way too much sense for people who are just looking for reasons to be offended.  I'm not religious, but have no generalized reasons to dislike evangelicals.  There are always specific, anecdotal reasons (I have my own), but I think anyone with a brain can look past those.  Your earlier diatribe essay was very eloquent, and nothing to apologize for.

In short, the evangelical vote is far from brainless, and many know a shyster when they see one.  Huck won't be getting the VP nod in my opinion, and if he does, McCain is even dumber that I think he is.

256 Fred,

 I floated Newt as well. I don't think it would happen because everybody fears the great googly-moobly negative poll ratings. But Newt would be a good choice for a couple of reasons. One, the bottom ticket negatives mean much less than the top. McCain is loved by the masses as "Teh Maverick" who sticks it to the caricature of the mysterious conservative yet mostly mischaracterized base. That's fine. But Newt is the intellectual center of the conservative base and would definitely rally the base to get out and vote.

Second, Newt is a lot like California. They both have a very negative image, but people visit and move to California in droves, and I bet if Newt were given a national platform to get his ideas across (to a population that is largely too young to remember the impeachment days) they would take hold.

Because that's what we want to promote, right? Conservative principles?

257

I love Mike Steele.  Didn't a lot of folks think he had run a very good campaign in MD that was derailed by the dem tide in 2006?  If my memory is right, that losing campaign shouldn't disqualify him, right?

Steele's on the tickey, I instantly get a lot more enthusiastic. 

And that's why it won't happen.

258 Button one: Mention Huck as possible VP

Check.

Button two: Tie in McCain anger to his supporters

Check.

Button three: Refs to her "Newt for VP" quote

Check.

All Beth's buttons pushed, good night.

259 Fred, yeah--Steele would be fantastic. 

I think it's hilarious when Obamessiah disciples say not supporting him is racist, considering Steele lost in Maryland, which has a pretty big black population.

260 Like I said, don't dish it out if you can't take it, Hongqi.  Had enough? 
And I was being nice.

261 Okay Sweetheart,

Let's see the teeth..sigh.

262 Nope, not worth my time.

263 Steele's not "really black" according to dem politicians.

264 Hongqi, I thought you were saying "good night". You haven't added anything to the discussion, so you might as well go to bed.

265 Huck will so be the VP, if it isn't that terrible Newt for president but good VP choice...don't get angry.

Wait! What about Steele?...and the winds just keep a blowin' in Beth's head.

266 Steele has nothing to gain and everything to lose if he attaches himself to McCain.  I give him credit for being much smarter than that.  McCain is going to be in a very tough spot for a VP, because any smart pol is going to turn it down.  It's definitely going to be interesting to see who ends up running with him.

267 Runnin, you lost all possible creds when you whinned to Slu about all the crap you poor McCain supporters had to endure.

Rebel...right!

268

Beth, give it a fucking rest with the Romney bashing.

Trust me on this, most people here would gladly take Romney over McCain. You're worse than Larkin and Aaron with the taunting and your constant social con bashing is also getting tiresome.

You can't go five comments without saying something invective about Conservatives who don't agree with you. The nerve on you to criticize Michelle Malkin and Ann Coulter -- you aren't a tenth of the loyal Conservative that they are and your comments about them echo the moonbat's sentiments.

 

269 Trying to be serious here, for a minute:

McCain can't afford to pick an "unlikable" conservative like Newt; he's going to be losing votes off the right side, no matter what, and his only chance of winning is to make up for that with independents and other "moderate" types. His dilemma is that these folks are just looking for any excuse to justify not voting for McCain, and "Newt's a (rather old) heartbeat away" would be more than enough justification.

A better idea is a likable up-and-coming conservative, but not too conservative. Unfortunately, there aren't many of these around, and his best choice, Minnesota's Pawlenty, dropped like a stone last Tuesday, when McCain finished third in the Minnesota Caucuses. When you not only can't deliver your state, but you can't even come close, while your guy is cleaning up around the country; well, that's not a good resume-builder.

So someone like Palin might not be a bad choice, if she comes across strong in interviews and debates. Steele wouldn't help at all, since there's no one more universally hated by the left than a black Republican, and again the "easy excuse not to vote for McCain" theory kicks in, and his lack of experience (lieutenant governor and failed Senate candidate doesn't do much) is the easy excuse.

McCain's real dilemma is that he's lots of peoples' second choice; Democrats and most Independents that otherwise would vote Democrat are not likely to pull the lever for McCain, no matter how much they say that they like him (for a Republican), since you don't vote for your second choice when the first choice is available. So, if there's any weakness on the ticket, it will be a justification to say, "well, McCain IS the best Republican, but that's just not quite good enough."

I think that's basically the take the MSM will be giving him, as well. They're not going to turn on him; they're going to stroke their collective chin wisely, deliberate gravely, and then say, "McCain IS the best Republican, but, all things considered, Obama is better, or Hillary is better."

So that's why I don't think McCain can win. If he picks a known conservative, he gains back some of the current stay-at-home folks, but loses any advantage he might have had in the middle. If he picks a moderate, even I will pass on the presidential vote; and he won't gain a single vote from the center-left; he'll just come a little closer to being their choice, but still, sadly, not quite as good as Barack or Hillary.

270 Steele's not "really black" according to dem politicians.

Yeah, I like Steele, but I don't like the idea of putting a black guy on the ticket because the Dems put a black guy on the ticket. And I agree with fred that it will quickly evolve into contest of who's blackest. Obama will win because he's on the "right side" and all. It just won't go over well. And who will it attract?

271

On the question of Newt for VP, I just see the guy as more of a gadfly intellectual rather than effective political leader.  I don't think I'm alone.

He's been pretty flaky on crap like global warming and "reassessing conservatism" too, hasn't he?

Wait... lately, those things are apparently positives in the GOP. 

So yeah, Newt for VP!!  I talked myself into it.

272 Honqgi, you must be the most clueless commenter I've ever seen on this blog.

I am not a McCain supporter and I don't whine. I point out things. Things such as  shitty behavior on both sides of the equation. If you don't want to address what the arguments I make then do me a favor and ignore me. Okay, little buddy?

273 Bart, you're hallucinating again. 

274

Newt for VP is just silly.  Worth throwing out there when you're desperate, but not much else.  He'll do just fine on the MSM "news" circuit when they need some conservative to throw into the mix, but as a serious political contender? Give me a break.

On the other hand, he actually has nothing to lose (unlike Steele), so he would probably at least agree to give it a shot.

275 You think I'm going to help you fucking morons with your McCain problem in the next 8 years?

{pfft}

276 Well, the biggest problem with Newt is that he's an intellectual more than a politician and he tends to vocalize ideas before he puts them in a political framework. But I think he could focus more as a national candidate and I don't know that some off-script thinking wouldn't hurt.

277 "...but I don't like the idea of putting a black guy on the ticket because the Dems put a black guy on the ticket..."

Okay, I will address the argument you gave above...

Mmmm, well, Bwahahaha.

Care to retort?

278 It would be a crap shoot, but it would definitely energize McCain's campaign.

279 "Well, the biggest problem with Newt is that he's an intellectual more than a politician..."

Now I'll take a shot at this one.

So, your point is we need more politicians and less people who think, right?

Can't argue with you on that one...score!

280 On the other hand, he actually has nothing to lose (unlike Steele), so he would probably at least agree to give it a shot.

Eh, that's not true either, Dave. Newt has a very successful writing, speaking, teaching, and punditry career going. Plus, he's involved in several non-profit groups both political and humanitarian. So, he would be putting all of that on hold to run.

Mind you, I don't think it will happen.

281 Since you are ignoring me...

Little buddy out.

282

RR -- cool, I agree with you (miracles do happen).  I was talking simply politically.  From a non-political career standpoint, Newt is best served by being "above it all".  I think the guy is a good conservative "wonk", but that doesn't translate into politcal success.

The only reason I said he might be a VP choice is that unlike many of the names tossed out here, he has nothing to lose politically.

As my first sentence in my previous post said, the idea is just silly.

283 I am not a McCain supporter and I don't whine.

Heh. Hehehe...

284

When's ace gonna get back and announce that he and Johnny Mac have exchanged friendship rings so this joint can explode in righteous indignation on all sides? 

Again.

285 Silly? Sure. But sometimes thinking silly thoughts is way to get around to a not-so-silly answer.

286

Bart,

I know what you're saying about Beth's comments, but that last shot was in response to a good poke I took at McCain.

I probably had it coming.

Most of the time, Beth be cool.

287 Posted by: V the K at February 07, 2008

A good number of them don't care about the border, which they'll admit in more open moments. Same goes for much of the establishment, guys like Barnes and Kristol - which is why it is somewhat funny to hear them talk about how reassuring McCain has been on the issue. They know as well as we do he doesn't plan to do shit that he didn't before.

288 We need a die hard conservative with national recognition in the VP spot.

Larry Craig for VP.

289 I'm waiting for the VP pick. Then it's really going to get fun.

290 "the establishment" guys like "Kristol and Barnes"..........that's straight form Rush.  Do you have a mind of your own?  BTW, Rush has been quoting and using Kristol, Barnes and the rest of them to bolster his arguments for 20 years.  Is he full of shit or are you for regurgitating his narratives?

291

Aaron --

Give it a rest.  You may think you're helping your cause but your're not. You're so obnoxious you may even push marginal Rep voters over the edge.  That either makes you a Dem troll, or someone who is pathetically oblivious.  Either way, you're you're just plain sad.

292 Fuck off Aaron. Shouldn't you be voting for Obama or something? He's where all the little kiddies are at.

293 Fuck off Aaron. Shouldn't you be voting for Obama or something? He's where all the little kiddies are at.

Heh. You listening Jack M.?

294 I'm more curious about who would want to try the VP slot this round. First, this person will likely be joining a losing ticket which isn't very conducive to extending one's political career. Second, if the ticket wins, what kind of input does this VP have in a McCain administration? Talk about staring into an abyss. The VP is pretty much a spare tire - especially on the Bendy Talk Express. Last, should McCain have a left of center tenure in his first four years, how will that help the longer term aspirations of a future GOP presidential hopeful? That VP will carry the tarnish (or shine) of McCain.

Considering that the VP slot is a dubious career step for the Right right now, I'm inclined to hope McCain and Huckabee settle their differences and unite. Their ticket can take them both out and, consequently, we won't have to deal with them for very long. I sure don't want to risk or sacrifice a young, hopeful conservative up-and-comer to the McCain altar.

McCain/Huckabee '08
Killing the GOP to save it.

295 Aaron, you're a fucking liar.  Rush hasn't quoted anyone to any great degree -- unless it's  liberals making asses of themselves -- sort of like you're dong now.

While I have your attention could you clear up something for us, Aaron?  Does being stupid hurt?  Does being a dickhead AND stupid hurt worse?  Someone else asked that question but I didn't see an answer.  Perhaps you can fill us in on what it's like being both.  I hope I typed that slowly enough for you.

And we wonder why the slate of candidates sucked without peer this time around.

296

Sheriff Joe Arpaio for VP. Get the Club Gitmo jihadists ready for their pink panties courtesy of the Good Sheriff. He’ll also make sure that wall is built high and wide.

297 Nothing is going to energize McCain's campaign.  His veep pick will undoubtedly be abominable since the smart ones will say no to avoid going down with the Titanic.

Embrace the suck.

298 I think he should pick Ah-nold so we can buy bumper stickers that say "McCain/McBain '08"

299 Here's some evil politics....say Obama is cruising for the Guilt Vote. One way to stop that is to have a black GOP VP candidate. Plain and simple white folks could in good conscious vote without regards to race then...because essentially it would take it off the table.

Even better if Hill is the nominee and Obama the VP...no difference at all which party you vote for (in racial terms.)  Maybe in this case we run Condi and then can be as racially/gendered as the dems?

300 So, no answer from the McCainiacs on why Juan Hernandez doesn't bother them in the least.

I wonder how much it's killed Maverick pretending to be a "right-wing extremist" these past three months. I think the CPAC performance was the peak of McCain's conservative shtick and he'll happily start drifting left now.

Mark Steyn observes:

I arrived at CPAC just before Mitt began to speak and was struck by the number of young student-ish types milling about in McCain T-shirts. While my minder went off to check her coat, I was loafing around the lobby, heard a conversation in Spanish, and noticed it was three of the McCain T-shirted students. Which struck me as odd: you don't hear a lot of Spanish at CPAC.

Almost all of the visible McCainiacs had left the hotel by about 20 minutes after he finished speaking.

No complaints from me. That's politics. Think of it as McCain's second surge. He increased troop strength to the levels he needed, and he got away with it - at least as far as TV coverage was concerned. Things would have gone differently without them. For my own speech, in an unpapered room, the despondency over the way this primary season has gone was palpable.

301 While I do not ascribe to "identity" politics, I think that there is value in symbolism as a message that governments and parties are inclusive and believe in eglatarianism. Clarence Thomas, in all reality, probably was not the best and most qualified candidate, but its a very powerful statement that the only black member of the court is a Republican appointee, just as the fact that honor of naming the first woman on the court will always go to the Republicans. Its time for women on national tickets, and not just tokenism. We have a woman, who by all accounts, even if you hate her politics, rose to Speaker on her own merits and personal ambition and talents at politicking. However, Hillary is nothing more than riding on Bill's coattails. I would be VERY happy to see the Republicans nominate a woman VP, and have the first woman VP elected, and have her run and be elected for woman president. I would think women would want this as well, because of Hillary IS elected, the first woman president accomplishment will always be besmirched by the fact that Hillary would never have been elected anything but NOW president had she not been Mrs. Bill Clinton. I haven't researched the matter, I of course know of Republican women, Kay Bailey Hutchenson, Libby Dole, etc. Palin sure looks like a good nominee on what Slublog has above. Of course, the 'pretty face' thing has often blown up in national politics, remember Dan Quayle, for all that he was unfairly treated. Fugly ass Dick Cheney has been probably the best VP in the history of the country.

302
Every time I've resigned myself to voting for McCain, the McCainistas  make me change my mine.

303 Why not Cynthia McKinney, then? She's available. She's a maverick in her own way. She's simpatico with McCain on immigration, not drilling in ANWR, closing Gitmo, waterboarding, campaign finance reform. And she's tough, just ask the Capitol Police.

304

Killing the GOP to save it: Sharia mentality

Defeatism makes things worse.

People who sign-off the party in disgust become part of its problem.

If all seems lost, then pushing for something good matters even more.

Feigning superior intelligence while preventing a coalition force is low.

305 Respectfully dissenting from Maverick Muse: I think if conservatives show the Republican Party we'll vote for anybody with an R after his name, we lose any leverage we might have had over party policy.

I'm not a partisan guy, I'm a conservative guy. I don't exist for the purpose of electing Republicans, Republicans exist for the purpose of advancing policies I support. If they won't do that, I owe them nothing.

306 And maybe you, Maverick Muse, can I explain why I should trust a candidate with George Soros lobbyist/Open Borders fanatic/"Mexico First" Juan Hernandez as a top campaign aid to actually secure the southern border?

307 Chirp. Chirp.

308 One way to stop that is to have a black GOP VP candidate.

Hi guys.  Remember me?  McCain... call me.  Hell, anybody call me.  Please?  Hello?

309 As I said before, the smart pick for McCain if he wants to win would be a VP candidate that would lose the least amount of his base and garner the most independents and cross-over democrats.  A big time conservative would hurt him more than help him in the general election.  Until we can change the mindset of the general voter, that is the reality.  I believe Guiliani would not be a bad choice to fill that criteria.   

310 Did somebody say my name?

311 I'm free at the moment.  You know, just in case anybody's been wondering.

312 Well, I suppose I could take some time off my busy radio and Senate career...

313 Truth be told, mom and dad put me through hell with all those embarrassing scandals, and now it's payback time.  So, how does a Clinton on both tickets sound to you?

314 On the off chance that Hussein what's-his-name steals my nomination, I'd like to remind you all that I've always been a centrist who's willing to reach across the aisle.  Some of my best friends are Republican.

315 #305 V of K

Well put.  This For-the-Party bull ain't going to flush with most of the soon-to-be ex-GOP voters.  What the McCainiacs are pushing here is a variation on the "calm down" and/or "sit down and shut up" mantra.  Soon, they'll be quoting Ronald Reagan to make their point we should all leap onto the funeral pyre together <spit>

That said, I'll still probably vote for McCain in November.  Despite himself.  Because I hate the Democrats that much, that's why.

316 Who is this guy "Craig whats-his-name" and why don't we have an American host on this American TV show?

F' the bloody foreigners.

317 I still think it will be Leiberman.  I said it first.

318 Why not just play the biggest trump card we have?

319 Very funny video, Slublog.

Don't know much about Governor Palin but I certainly likes what I sees.

320 Mmmmm.... she's been on the city council and mayor of Wasilla (population 5,469 in 2000), an Alaska Oil and Gas Commissioner, and now Governor of Alaska for a little over a year.

National experience and expertise? Nope. 
International experience? Nope.

Let's see whether that pretty face is coupled with the competence to run the state. It might be, but it's a bit early to tell. Good intentions are a great start, but if the GOP are seriously looking at Sarah as a VP candidate, they are really desperate.

Some frightening highlights so far: 
-Introduced a $700 million tax hike. Signed a $1.5 billion tax hike.
-Grew budget $350 million (this is before the revenue from the recent tax hike!)

321 Palin for Veep? Are you on crack? It'll never happen.

322 No one knew who she was, and no one could've predicted her candidacy.

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كلمات سر سكارفيس - كلمات سر كورة 15- كلمات سر قراند بلايستيشن 3  -  كلمات سر ميتال قير سوليد 3 - كلمات سر ريزدنت ايفل 4   - كلمات سر ميدنايت كلوب 3  - نصائح لنجاح طهي الكيك -  الاطباق الرئيسية - اكلات سريعة التحضير - اكلات خفيفة بالصور - حشوة ورق العنب - موسوعه للمأكولات المصرية- تحميل كتاب للطبخ- احلى صور الكيك- تحميل جميع حلقات ناروتو- تحميل جميع حلقات المحقق كونان - صور باربي جديدة - ثيمات ميسي - ثيمات نوكيا n73 - ثيمات جواد العلي - ثيمات ياسر القحطاني - ثيمات n72 - ثيمات الهام فضالة - ثيمات نوال الزغبي - ثيمات رومانسية حلوه - ثيمات متحركة - ثيمات 7610- ثيمات راشد الماجد- ثيمات ريال مدريد - ثيمات ميساء مغربي - ثيمات حليمة بولند - ثيمات الفنانة ديانا- ثيمات نجوم سوبر ستار- ثيمات شيماء سبت- ثيمات اليسا ثيمات الفنانة اليسا-  ثيمات نانسي عجرم - ثيمات لهيفاء وهبي- ثيمات كرتونيه جميله- ثيمات لاعبين - ثيمات مساري

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شاتالباحة-شات الخرج-شات الدمام-شات الرياض-شات الشرقية-شات القصيم-شات اماراتية-شات بريده-شات بنات-شات تبوك-شات حائل-شات شقراء-شات عرعر-شات نجران-شات ابها-شات الجوف-شات الحفر-شات الحوطه-شات الدوادمي-شات السليل-شات الطايف-شات المدينه المنوره-شات النماص-شات بيشه-شات تنومه-دردشه جنوبيه-شات جيزان-شات رفحاء-شات طبرجل-شات عنيزه-دردشه مكاويه-شات وادي الدواسر-خلاصات-غلا شات-غلا دردشة-وقت الراحة-وقت-دردشة غلا السعودية-منتدى غلا-منتديات غلا-دردشة-شات-منتديات-دردشة غلا الصوتية-منتديات منتدى-دردشة شات-صور صورة-اسلام اسلامية-جوال موبايلي-لعبة العاب-مركز تحميل رفع-برامج كمبيوتر-صحف قنوات-دليل المرأه-اسهم سوق المال-ماسنجر توبيكات-دليل الجامعات-الرياضة وكرة القدم-متفرقات ومنوعات-مدونه-توبيكات

   

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منتديات غلا-منتديات سعوديه-منتدى غلا-طريق الاسلام-محاضرات دينيه-احاديث-صوتيات اسلاميه-اناشيد اسلاميه-مواضيع عامه-مقالات عامة-حوار الجاد-نقاشات-طب بديل-أعشاب طبيعية-نصائح طبيه-ازياء-اكسسورات-فساتين-تسريحات-تربية الاطفال-التعامل مع الاطفال-ازياء اطفال-التعامل مع الزوج او الزوجه-الثقافة الزوجيه-مطبخ-معجنات-حلويات-قصص-روايات-حكايات-قصائد-شعر-ابيات شعريه-خواطر-حكم و امثال-نكت-قصص مضحكه-مواضيع مضحكه-صور فنانين-تحميل صور-خلفيات-انمي افلام-صور انمي-افلام كرتون-العاب فلاش-العاب كمبيوتر-العاب اكس بوكس-بلاي ستيشن-عالم الرياضه -شرح برامج-تحميل البرامج-رسائل جوال-مسجات جوال-رسائل وسائط-مقاطع بلوتوث-افلام بلوتوث-يوتيب-فضائح-نغمات-العاب جوال-العاب الجيل الثالث-برامج جوال-ثيمات-فوتوشوب-خطوط-تصميم-منتديات-منتدى-دردشة-دردشه-غلا شات-دردشة غلا السعودية-دردشة غلا الصوتية-غلا-غلاالسعوديه-شبكه غلا-موقعغلا-شات غلا-مدونه-سيارات-العاب جوال-ثيمات جوال -صور للماسنجر

 

 

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ط³ظˆط§ظ„ظپ</a> <a href="http://www.ccl1.com/vb">ظƒظˆظ…</a>
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ظ…ظ†طھط¯ظ‰</a> <a href="http://www.ccl1.com/vb">ط¹ط§ظ…</a>
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<p><span lang="ar-sa"><a href="http://www.ccl1.com/vb">ظ…ظ†طھط¯ظ‰ ط³ظˆط§ظ„ظپ ظƒظˆظ… ط§ظ„ظ…طھط¹ظ‡
ظˆط§ظ„ظپط§ط¦ط¯ظ‡</a></span></p>
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ط¶ظٹظپ ط¶ظٹظˆظپ طھط±ط­ظٹط¨ ط¹ط¨ط§ط±ط§طھ ظ„ظ„طھط±ط­ظٹط¨ ط£ط¹ط¶ط§ط، </a></span></p>
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ظ…ط³ط§ط¨ظ‚ظ‡ ظ…ط³ط§ط¨ظ‚ط§طھ ظپط¹ط§ظ„ظٹظ‡ ظپط¹ط§ظ„ظٹط§طھ ط¬ظˆط§ط¦ط² ط¨ط·ط§ظ‚ط§طھ ط´ط­ظ† ظˆط³ط§ظ… ظ…ط³ط§ط¨ظ‚ط© ظ…ط³ط§ط¨ظ‚ط§طھ</a></span></p>
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ط¹ط§ظ… ظ†ظ‚ط§ط´ط§طھ ط­ظˆط§ط±ط§طھ ظ†ظ‚ط§ط´ ط­ظˆط§ط± ط­ط§ظˆط± ظ†ط§ظ‚ط´ ظ†طµط§ط¦ط­ طھط¬ط§ط±ط¨ ط¹ط¨ط± </a></span></p>
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ط§ط³ظ„ط§ظ… ط§ط³ظ„ط§ظ…ظٹط§طھ ظپطھط§ظˆظٹ ط´ط±ظٹط¹ظ‡ ط§ط±ظ‚ط§ظ… ط§ظ„ظ…ط´ط§ظٹط® ط§ط±ظ‚ط§ظ… ط§ظ„ط¹ظ„ظ…ط§ط، ظپطھظˆظ‰ ط±ظ…ط¶ط§ظ† </a></span>
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ط§ط®ط¨ط§ط± ط®ط¨ط± ط¬ط¯ظٹط¯ ظ…ط³طھط¬ط¯ط§طھ ط§ظ„ط¹ط§ظ„ظ… ط§ظ„ط¹ط±ط¨ظٹظ‡ ط§ظ„ط¬ط²ظٹط±ظ‡&nbsp; ط§ط®ط¨ط§ط± ط®ط¨ط§ط± طھط®ط¨ط± </a></span>
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ظ†ظ‚ط§ط´ ظ†ط§ظ‚ط´ ط­ط§ظˆط± ط­ظˆط§ط± </a></span></p>
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ط­ظˆط§ط، ط¨ظ†ط§طھ ط¨ظ†طھ ط§ط²ظٹط§ط، ط·ط¨ط® طھط·ط±ظٹط² طھط¹ظ„ظٹظ… ط§ظ„ط·ط¨ط® ظƒطھط¨ ط·ط¨ط®&nbsp; </a></span></p>
<p><span lang="ar-sa"><a href="http://www.ccl1.com/vb/forumdisplay.php?f=29">ظ…ط±ط¶
ط§ظ…ط±ط§ط¶ ط¹ظ„ط§ط¬ ظˆطµظپط§طھ ط¹ظ„ط§ط¬ ط§ظ…ط±ط§ط¶ ظپظˆظ„ط¦ط¯ ظپظٹطھط§ظ…ظٹظ†ط§طھ ط§ظƒظ„ ط´ط±ط¨</a></span></p>
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ظ‚طµط§ط¦ط¯ ظ‚طµطµ ط±ظˆط§ظٹط§طھ ط®ظˆط§ط·ط± ط´ط¹ط±ط§ط، ط´ط§ط¹ط± ط§ظ„ظ…ظ„ظٹظˆظ† ظ…ظ‚ط§ط·ط¹ ط´ط¹ط±ظٹظ‡ ظ‚طµط§ط¦ط¯ ظ…ظƒطھظˆط¨ظ‡ ط§ط¯ط¨ ظ†ط«ط± ظ‚طµط§ط¦ط¯</a></span></p>
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ط¨ط±ط§ظ…ط¬ ط¨ط±ظ…ط¬ظٹط§طھ ظ„ط؛ط§طھ ط¨ط±ظ…ط¬ظ‡ ط¨ط±ط§ظ…ط¬ ط¨ط±ظ†ط§ظ…ط¬ط® ط¨ط±ظ…ط¬ظ‡ ظٹط¨ط±ظ…ط¬ ط¨ط±ظ†ط§ظ…ط¬ ط¨ط±ط§ظ…ط¬ ظ…ظ„طھظ…ظٹط¯ط§طھ ط¨ط±ط§ظ…ط¬
ط§ظ„ط¹ط§ط¨ ط¨ط±ط§ظ…ط¬ طµظˆط± ظپظˆطھظˆط´ظˆط¨ ط±ظٹط§ظ„ ط¨ظ„ظٹط± ظˆظٹظ†ط¯ظˆط² ط§طµظ„ظٹظ‡</a></span></p>
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طھطµظ…ظٹظ… ظٹطµظ…ظ… ط´ط±ط­ ط§ظ„طھطµظ…ظٹظ… ط§ط­طھط±ظپ ط§ظ„طھطµظ…ظٹظ… ظپظˆطھظˆط´ظˆط¨ ط³ظˆظٹطھط´ ظ…ط§ظƒط³ ط§ط¯ظˆط¨ظٹ ظپظ„ط§ط´ طھطµط§ظ…ظٹظ… ظ…ظ„ظپط§طھ
ظ…ظپطھظˆط­ظ‡ ظ„ظ„طھطµظ…ظٹظ…</span> <span lang="ar-sa">ط®ط·ظˆط· ط®ط· ط¹ط±ط¨ظٹظ‡ ط§ظ†ط¬ظ„ظٹط²ظٹظ‡ ظپط±ط´ ط§ط¶ط§ظپط§طھ</span></a></p>
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ظ…ط§ط³ظ†ط¬ط± ط§ظٹظ…ظٹظ„ طھظˆط¨ظƒ طھظˆط¨ظٹظƒط§طھ ط±ظˆظ…ظ†ط³ظٹظ‡ طھظˆط¨ظٹظƒط§طھ ظ…ظ†ط§ط³ط¨ط§طھ طھظˆط¨ظٹظƒط§طھ ط­ط²ظٹظ†ظ‡ طھظˆط¨ظٹظƒط§طھ ظ…ط§ط³ظ†ط¬ط±
ظ…ط³ظ† ظ…ط§ط³ظ†ط¬ط± ط¨ظ„ط³ طھط­ظ…ظٹظ„ ط´ط±ط­ </a></span></p>
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ط¨ط±ط§ظ…ط¬ ط¬ظˆط§ظ„ ط¨ط±ظ…ط¬ظٹط§طھ ط¬ظˆط§ظ„ ط§ظ„ط¹ط§ط¨ ط¬ظˆط§ظ„ طµظˆط± ط®ظ„ظپظٹط§طھ ط¬ظˆط§ظ„ ط«ظٹظ…ط§طھ ط¬ظˆط§ظ„ ظ†ظˆظƒظٹط§ </span>nokia
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ط±ط³ط§ظ„ظ‡ ط±ط³ط§ط¦ظ„ طھظ‡ظ†ط¦ط© ط±ط³ط§ط¦ظ„ ط§ظ„ط¹ظٹط¯ ط±ط³ط§ط¦ظ„ ط±ظˆظ…ظ†ط³ظٹظ‡ ط±ط³ط§ط¦ظ„ ط§طµط¯ظ‚ط§ط، ط±ط³ط§ط¦ظ„ ط§ظ„ط¹ط§ط¦ظ„ظ‡ ط±ط³ط§ط¦ظ„ ط­ط¨
ط±ط³ط§ط¦ظ„ </span>sms mms</a></p>
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ط±ظٹط§ط¶ظ‡ ظƒط±ط© ط³ظ„ظ‡ ط±ظٹط§ط¶ظ‡ ط±ظٹط§ط¶ط§طھ ط³ظٹط§ط±ط§طھ ظƒط±ط© ظ‚ط¯ظ… ط³ظ„ظ‡ طھظ†ط³ ظ‚ظˆظ„ظپ ظ†ط§ط¯ظٹ ظ†ظˆط§ط¯ظٹ ظ‡ظ„ط§ظ„ ظ†طµط± ط§طھط­ط§ط¯
ط§ظ„ط±ط§ط¦ط¯ ط§ظ‡ظ„ظٹ ط§ظ„ط±ظٹط§ط¶ ط§ظ„ظ‚ط§ط¯ط³ظٹظ‡ ط§ط®ط¨ط§ط± ط±ظٹط§ط¶ظٹط© ظ„ط§ط¹ط¨ظٹظ† ط§ظ†طھظ‚ط§ظ„ط§طھ ط§ظ„ظ…ظˆط³ظ… ظƒط¤ظˆط³ طھظ†ط¶ظٹظ…ط§طھ</a></span></p>
<p><span lang="ar-sa"><a href="http://www.ccl1.com/vb/forumdisplay.php?f=24">طµظˆط±
طµظˆط± ط§ظ„طµظˆط± طµظˆط± ط±ظˆظ…ط§ظ†ط³ظٹظ‡ طµظˆط± ظ…ط±ط¹ط¨ط© طµظˆط± ط؛ط±ظٹط¨ظ‡ طµظˆط± ط¬ط¯ظٹط¯ظ‡ طµظˆط± ط®ظ„ظپظٹط§طھ طµظˆط± ط¨ظ†ط§طھ طµظˆط±
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