Romney Out? Update: Confirmed.

The signs are there, according to Byron York.

Thanks to, uh, "Vice President Huckabee."

Update - Multiple sources now.

Confirmed - It's real.

Romney just announced the end of his campaign during his CPAC speech, calling for conservatives to unite in this time of war to defeat Clinton or Obama. It was a very gracious speech, and shows that if nothing else, Romney is a classy guy who has no intention of leaving the national stage. It should be interesting to see what he does next.

The next big speech, of course, is that of the presumptive nominee. Will he reach out to conservatives, or choose the way of The Maverick™. The only advice I can give him?

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From the Comments - Angler makes a great point:

A silver lining: How this effects Huckabee.

In the last day or two, Huckabee's been sticking his chest out, vowing to go on to the end. He's compared himself to a boxer, and said he won't leave the ring voluntarily, that he'll have to be carried out unconscious.

But now Romney, with an extraordinary amount of class, has stepped aside for what is, in his view, the benefit of the party. He's refused to drag the process along when he knows he has no realistic chance to win.

What does Huck do now? If he stays in, he looks even more like a self-important, arrogant and stubborn ass. If he drops out, he looks like a disingenuous bigot whose primary justification for running was to prevent a Mormon from winning.

This should be fun to watch.

Indeed.

Last Update, Really - Huckabee chooses...self-important posturing!

Posted by: Slublog at 12:51 PM



Comments

1 Oh, yeah! Oh, yeah! Who's your daddy! Go cry to Jesus and his brother Satan, Mormon boy! McCain-Huckabee all the way!

Posted by: Vice President Huckabee at February 07, 2008 12:53 PM (PLvLS)

2 That gags just about old.

Posted by: runninrebel at February 07, 2008 12:53 PM (0n9wc)

3 Shit. Well atleastI'll get one vote for President.

Posted by: Don Carne at February 07, 2008 12:57 PM (wSNS7)

4 Truth hurts, doesn't it reb? But come on, you already said you'd eat the sh-t sandwich. What difference does one more bite make?

Posted by: Vice President Huckabee at February 07, 2008 12:58 PM (PLvLS)

5 Nah, reb, it's not old yet. I still haven't tired of the Hewitt bit, and the VP Huckabee thing has more comedic potential/depth.

Posted by: The Band at February 07, 2008 01:00 PM (/94xL)

6 I'm looking at the upside: Michelle Obama is going to be one hot first lady!
Focus on congressional races, keep President Obama from doing too much damage, and work on recrafting the conservative coalition in the wake of the McCain/Huckabee flameout.

Posted by: Prufrock at February 07, 2008 01:03 PM (omLLi)

7 Maybe, Band. But potential and execution are, as we saw with Fred!, very different things.

Posted by: runninrebel at February 07, 2008 01:04 PM (0n9wc)

8 Hey-Ohhhh!!!!

Posted by: runninrebel at February 07, 2008 01:05 PM (0n9wc)

9 No one thinks that McCain will tap Lieberman as the VP to complete his screw the conservatives plan? A lot of conservative are going to sit this one out anyway. Might as well start reaching out to moderate dems once Hillary gets the nomination through some back room shenanigans. You think things are bad for conservatives now wait till McCain becomes president without conservatives voting for him.

Posted by: Shtetl G at February 07, 2008 01:07 PM (Ij9eA)

10 That one hurts a lot, reb.

Posted by: The Band at February 07, 2008 01:08 PM (/94xL)

11 Shenanigans? Are you talking about Shenanigans?

Posted by: Farva at February 07, 2008 01:09 PM (0n9wc)

12 Jesus hates shenanigans!

Posted by: Vice President Huckabee at February 07, 2008 01:10 PM (PLvLS)

13 You see, a funny VP Huckabee would have said "Shut up, Favra".

Posted by: runninrebel at February 07, 2008 01:13 PM (0n9wc)

14 Or something about "evil shenanigans".

Posted by: runninrebel at February 07, 2008 01:14 PM (0n9wc)

15 McCain-Huckabee does not tell people to "shut up," it tells them to "calm down." It means the same thing, though.

Posted by: Vice President Huckabee at February 07, 2008 01:16 PM (PLvLS)

16 The GOP is so fucked my friends.

Posted by: Converted at February 07, 2008 01:19 PM (X7Ey1)

17 Not a bad point, Shtetl, but it depends on what McCain picks as a running mate. Then we'll know.
As far as Romney goes- Romney was never my first pick, and I don't realistically think he's the answer in the future as well. Is he more conservative than McCain? Of course. Has he tried to "correct" for previous positions? Of course. But what is he really going to bring to a 2012 or 2016 run?
The GOP has a nasty habit of picking the next guy in line to be a presidential nominee. Hell, you could make the same remark about the Dems (I offer you Mondale, Dukakis, and Kerry as examples), and success has seemed to follow only when getting outside the box.
It's probably worth talking about who we'd like to see run for president next... and in the meantime, folks, don't forget that we have a lot of congressional races that we need to pay attention to. It seems to me that many have described the clusterfuck on the presidential side as "people not giving a shit until it was too late". We'd be well-served not to let it get that far with the congressional stuff.
tmi3rd

Posted by: tmi3rd at February 07, 2008 01:20 PM (j0gzJ)

18 We're gonna tell the bigots to call down.

Posted by: Secretary of Homeland Security Lindsay Graham at February 07, 2008 01:21 PM (m6c4H)

19 ABC is running it as breaking at 12:20 EST... and presumably, so are Fox, CNN, and the other guys.
tmi3rd

Posted by: tmi3rd at February 07, 2008 01:21 PM (j0gzJ)

20 This comes as a surprise to who, since Tuesday?

Posted by: davis,br at February 07, 2008 01:21 PM (q4usA)

21 Lieberman may just be more appealing to conservatives than Huckabee.

Posted by: Merovign at February 07, 2008 01:22 PM (IaYDo)

22 John McCain isn't a Conservative. Put that on your resumes, note it was the dumbest narrative dreamed up by talk show hosts in the history of the medium. And you bought it. Here's a notion folks.....Rush Limbaugh is a genius. He's a genius at creating narratives, predicting things and then claiming he was right (when the ones that do come true, half don't) occur. He's a FUCKING TALK SHOW HOST!!! You done been had. I'm happy for the troops, they have a chance that BHO or HRC won't ruin what they've achieved in the WOT.

Posted by: Aaron at February 07, 2008 01:25 PM (BTdlV)

23 Clearly God wants McCain to be President.
Ok, seriously. Did anyone imagine at the beginning of this, or even last week, that Romney would drop out and Huckabee would still be in??
And now Hillary will have to count on superdelegates to get the nomination, which has never happened before, AND she will fight for the Florida and Michigan delegates.
This is the strangest election year EVAH.
I kinda love it.

Posted by: Rightwingsparkle at February 07, 2008 01:28 PM (kuMY6)

24 Oh, great, here we go again... here come the McCain yellers. Can we just dump the yelling for a day and have a real discussion (yes, Aaron, I'm looking directly at you)?
tmi3rd

Posted by: tmi3rd at February 07, 2008 01:28 PM (j0gzJ)

25 Rush is absolutely hot this morning! Ouch. Ouch. Ouch.
...wonder what Hugh's gonna say about this?

Posted by: davis,br at February 07, 2008 01:29 PM (q4usA)

26 I've been pretty hard on Romney, but he deserves respect for doing the right thing and dropping out in order to give the party a chance to at least make an attempt to get it's shit together. If he continues to persue a political career, I hope he's able to establish himself as the conservative he's portrayed himself as.
Hopefully his withdrawl from the race will negate the need for McCain to make a deal with the Huckster in naming him as running mate, because Huckabee is a douche.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at February 07, 2008 01:30 PM (rf03a)

27 HEard Hewitt last night- he's already back in the tent (albeit in a hold his nose kinda way)
He understands the idiocy of handing the WH to a true socialist

Posted by: TMF at February 07, 2008 01:30 PM (KTgUG)

28 Voting for Huckabee may be the way to go now in the primaries.

If he thinks he can win, he'll start attacking McCain. If enough bad blood ensues, we can avoid a McCain/Huckabee or vice-versa ticket.

Who knows? If neither one gets a clear majority, that gives someone like Romney(the Diet RC Cola of Conservatism) the whiphand.

Posted by: rinseandspit at February 07, 2008 01:30 PM (aBMz2)

29 I swear to God I'll pistol-whip the next man that says "shenanigans".

Posted by: Hollowpoint at February 07, 2008 01:31 PM (rf03a)

30 RWS? - I think it's pretty clear that God wants a Democrat to be president.
Well, "pretty clear" to the Kool Aid averse, at least. And people who can count the actual turnout numbers, and realize what that portends in the fall.

Posted by: davis,br at February 07, 2008 01:32 PM (q4usA)

31 Great, so much for the brokered convention....

I've said it once, and I'll say it again, democracy doesn't work.

Posted by: joeindc44 at February 07, 2008 01:33 PM (NXelq)

32 Hey, RWS-
Okay, so now that we have this more or less decided, what do you think McCain's next move should be? Is Huckabee a good VP pick, or does he need to mend fences with the anti-McCain conservatives? More to the point, does he risk turnout by assuming Clinton wins- thus drawing independents- and roll the dice on Obama not getting the nomination?
tmi3rd

Posted by: tmi3rd at February 07, 2008 01:33 PM (j0gzJ)

33 Huckabee will be out shortly as well
The last thing the GOP needs is a drawn out primary in a season where the dems are out voting them 2 to 1 (16 million dems voting vs. 9 million repubs thus far- OUCH thats an epic socialist landslide in the making)

Posted by: TMF at February 07, 2008 01:33 PM (KTgUG)

34 Dont get me wrong, I think McCain has socialist leanings, just not as extensive as Obamillarys

Posted by: TMF at February 07, 2008 01:35 PM (KTgUG)

35 Good point, davis- turnout was 2 to 1 in favor of the Dems. Some of my Dem friends say that many are turning out in pro and anti-Hillary camps... and that a Hillary nomination could get many to stay home. Nonetheless, I don't have a lot of faith in that.
tmi3rd

Posted by: tmi3rd at February 07, 2008 01:35 PM (j0gzJ)

36 Precisely, TMF ...well, at least to pointing out the significance of those numbers ...the rest: won't matter. We are just so fucked ...and that's even without my vote (or my anti-vote, if I can swallow my nausea). Pyrrhic, thy name is McCain.

Posted by: davis,br at February 07, 2008 01:36 PM (q4usA)

37 Okay, so now who do I vote for on Tuesday in Maryland? I would vote for McCain over Huckabee in a heartbeat, but considering that McCain probably had the state locked up anyway, might as well throw a token vote towards Thompson, who still seems to be on the ballot here.
Unlike a lot of folks here I will vote for McCain in November, but I might seriously reconsider if Huck is the running mate.

Posted by: paul zummo at February 07, 2008 01:37 PM (Nxezv)

38 I think our track record of prognosticating has been awful enough in the primaries that we should maybe not take a crack at the general just yet.

Posted by: runninrebel at February 07, 2008 01:37 PM (0n9wc)

39 oh davis,br, that would be satan's work!...;-)
In reality, God cares less about politics than he even does about football. Heh.
I'm trying to figure out what super conservative McCain will pick for VP. That will be interesting to see. Too bad there isn't a black or woman politician known for their illegal immigration stance.
Now that would be sweet.

Posted by: Rightwingsparkle at February 07, 2008 01:38 PM (kuMY6)

40 McCains gonna need motivated evangelicals behind him- I say he does pick Huck assuming it isnt already a done deal
Who can he pick, besides Fred! to mend fences w/the conservatives? Theres no one. He cant pick Fred for aesthetic reasons
Two ornery old guys vs. shiny happy young Hillabama, just aint gonna happen

Posted by: TMF at February 07, 2008 01:38 PM (KTgUG)

41 Oh, great, here we go again... here come the McCain yellers. Can we just dump the yelling for a day and have a real discussion (yes, Aaron, I'm looking directly at you)?
tmi3rd
If the shoe fits friend. I'm not a McCaniac, I'm someone who doesn't take my worldview from professional entertainers. We make fun of liberals for doing the same thing.

Posted by: Aaron at February 07, 2008 01:38 PM (BTdlV)

42 Shenanigans!

Posted by: John Edwards Likes It Rough at February 07, 2008 01:38 PM (PLvLS)

43 Another interesting note is Clinton's cash shortfall...
Link
tmi3rd

Posted by: tmi3rd at February 07, 2008 01:40 PM (j0gzJ)

44 tmi3rd,
His next move should be a speech full of conservative ideas and promises. Which I hope he will make at CPAC.
Then a super conservative for VP. Should even announce it soon.
But McCain does what McCain wants, and to hell with politics, so...we shall see.

Posted by: Rightwingsparkle at February 07, 2008 01:40 PM (kuMY6)

45 Seriously, somebody explain why you can vote for McCain as President but not Huckabee for VP? I really don't get that.

Posted by: V the K at February 07, 2008 01:41 PM (PLvLS)

46 Newt would be a good pick. Kemp would also be except for the whole Dole/McCain comparison.

Posted by: runninrebel at February 07, 2008 01:44 PM (0n9wc)

47
If the shoe fits friend. I'm not a McCaniac, I'm someone who doesn't take my worldview from professional entertainers.
I don't take my worldview from anybody and I'm not voting for McCain either. So stick that in your pipe and smoke it.

Posted by: The Band at February 07, 2008 01:44 PM (/94xL)

48 Aaron-
I'd like to drop that tangent of the conversation, so let me say this and let's get off of it. I've spent the last half-decade in the media, and I'm perfectly aware of what the job description of the talk show guys are, and what the plan of attack is for them. That's not the point I'm making.
The point I'm making is that when you roll in here to do nothing but yell at other conservatives about how they're talk-show sheep, you're just running them off. In short, you're not helping anything, you're threadjacking, and it's incredibly immature of you. You're the one who brought it up- not me. The rest of us here are attempting to figure out how to create a situation we can live with, and your antics are a hindrance to that.
I've said what I've got to say- if you're not going to contribute anything other than yelling and trying to insult and demean people with whom it seems you would ordinarily agree, please leave for the moment. It's not a personal thing- but it's as thread-disrupting as what went on last night with Hakim.
tmi3rd

Posted by: tmi3rd at February 07, 2008 01:46 PM (j0gzJ)

49 Mitt is about to speak right now for anyone who wants to watch it.

Posted by: Rightwingsparkle at February 07, 2008 01:46 PM (kuMY6)

50 Id love to see him pick Romney, but that makes absolutely no sense electorally
What does Romney get him- sure the sit it out conservatives might come back into the fold, but it might keep the evangelicals away from the polls.
McCain has to ask himself who does he need more- conservatives or evangelicals?

Posted by: TMF at February 07, 2008 01:47 PM (KTgUG)

51 You think things are bad for conservatives now wait till McCain becomes president without conservatives voting for him.
As much as I enjoy a good wallow that ain't goona happen. McCain will lose with or without conservatives because this country is just itching to remind itself that socialism doesn't work. They just wonttake it from us or history. Lets try to limit the damage in congress and reload with an actual Republican next time out.

Posted by: ntac at February 07, 2008 01:47 PM (jYyFD)

52 Anyway, back to it- who could McCain pick that the rest of us could live with?
I don't think Thompson is really the answer there- I think it lies outside the crop of presidential candidates, but preferably someone who isn't in Congress.
tmi3rd

Posted by: tmi3rd at February 07, 2008 01:49 PM (j0gzJ)

53 And you know who this benefits most? That's right.

Posted by: One last time? at February 07, 2008 01:49 PM (5ohC5)

54 The only person who has a higher negative rating than Hillary
LOL- the guys name is "Newt" for fucks sake
/loves newt

Posted by: TMF at February 07, 2008 01:49 PM (KTgUG)

55 preferably someone who isn't in Congress.
When was the last time we had that?

Posted by: TMF at February 07, 2008 01:50 PM (KTgUG)

56 RWS - I do love yez dear, and that "satan" comeback, heh ...but the reality here is that the 'pubs are at a Whig juncture with the nomination of McCain. Regardless of anyone's interpretation of what "support for the GWOT" actually means (I tend to agree that it's the "issue of our times" btw): the devils in the details (and I very, very much think you in particular have misjudged that, although I support your tenacity and principles ...however short-sighted they are).
Politics is a blood-sport. And the shot-size is the turnout. I don't care who "gets on board" (yeah, I won't), it ain't gonna be enough ...not for the GOP ...those turnout numbers are the political reality. Apply the lotion ....

Posted by: davis,br at February 07, 2008 01:50 PM (q4usA)

57 I remain baffled by the "I can eat a poop sandwich for president but not for vice president" dichotomy.

Posted by: V the K at February 07, 2008 01:50 PM (PLvLS)

58 RR,
McCain/Kemp
I would laugh for the next six months. That would be beautiful.

Posted by: skinbad at February 07, 2008 01:51 PM (fm4z+)

59 I think I am going to be sick.

Posted by: SimplyKimberly at February 07, 2008 01:52 PM (NFqnU)

60 those turnout numbers are the political reality. Apply the lotion ...
Anyone seen numbers from past primaries where a Repub won the general election?
Are Dem numbers always that much higher? If so, by that high of a margin?
If the answer is no, then might as well start singing hail to the pantsuit

Posted by: TMF at February 07, 2008 01:53 PM (KTgUG)

61 Mynew Republican theme song:
"Hurts So GOOD."

Posted by: kevlarchick at February 07, 2008 01:53 PM (TNuqz)

62 NTAC-
Agreed, but I'm not convinced that the situation goingon with Democrats mean that all of them will show up. Yes, they've got a colossal advantage of turnout right now, but again, how much is the racial/gender divide going to come back and bite them?
tmi3rd

Posted by: tmi3rd at February 07, 2008 01:54 PM (j0gzJ)

63 I put Florida and all the Hispanic voters into play.

Posted by: Vice President Mel Martinez at February 07, 2008 01:54 PM (PLvLS)

64 Kemp would also be
'Cause, he's not a bigot like the rest of us.
GORE: I think Mr. Lehrer, that throughout most of his career, Jack Kemp has been a powerful and needed voice against the kind of coarseness and incivility that you refer to in the question. I think it's an extremely valuable service to have a voice within the Republican party who says we ought to be one nation. We ought to cross all of the racial and ethnic and cultural barriers. [] I compliment Mr. Kemp for the leadership he has shown in moving us away from that kind of attitude.
KEMP: Well, I thank you, Al

Posted by: Officer Paddy O'Irony at February 07, 2008 01:55 PM (evdj2)

65 dammit

Posted by: toby928 at February 07, 2008 01:55 PM (evdj2)

66
I remain baffled by the "I can eat a poop sandwich for president but not for vice president" dichotomy.
I can only guess that they're saying they'll vote for McCain begrudgingly, but if a liberal successor like Huckabee is also part of the deal, it's over the line. A solid conservative successor might be seen as a concession to the base.

Posted by: The Band at February 07, 2008 01:55 PM (/94xL)

67 Seriously, somebody explain why you can vote for McCain as President but not Huckabee for VP? I really don't get that.
Because Mike Huckabee makes McCain look like some combo of Reagan and George Washington. Huckabee, not McCain is the real left-winger in this primary. And if McCain picks Huckabee as Veep, and then proceeds to bow out after one term - which I think is not very unlikley - that makes Huckabee the clear leader for the nomination in 2012, and I don't want Huckabee representing this party.
I might still vote for a McCain/Huckabee ticket, but I really hope McCain picks someone - just about anyone - else.

Posted by: paul zummo at February 07, 2008 01:56 PM (Nxezv)

68 I thought the majority of Dems were moderate/left of center?
- and here they are running the two hardest left Senators in congress.
The typical (presumably moderate, patriotic, slightly left of center) Dem doesnt seem to have any problems with nominating a hardcore socialist to run the country.

Posted by: TMF at February 07, 2008 01:56 PM (KTgUG)

69
If list
Hope against hope, if McCain blows his enemies out of his wayto gainthe White House, maybe he will get so bogged down with international affairs and our rebuilding our military that domesticissues won't get first billing. Beyond Bush's termination of Sadam Hussein and the first subsequent un-coerced democratic vote in Iraq, if McCain can get an achievement directly benefitting the USfrom our continued involvement in Iraq, namely a strong US military installation base treatyfor the US to be able to conduct defensive and offensive warfare from our base in Iraq, that would be good. If McCain can rebuild our military and our border security forces with all of theeffectiveorganizational defense mechanisms and numbers, that would be good.
If pigs could fly to Iran, that would be good.

Posted by: maverick muse at February 07, 2008 01:57 PM (gXSl2)

70 Laura Ingraham just said "calm down" three times and then she said Romney is the only Conservative Candidate at CPAC: Mitt Romney was:
Pro Stem Cell, Pro Abortion, STILL believes Humans are causing Global Warming (it's on youtube, take a listen) took Global Warming iniatives in MA, signed first State Wide Universal Healthcare, said McCain/Kennedy was "reasonable" ON TAPE in 2005, was lauded by Pro Gay Advocacy Groups in MA, raised fees in MA by 700Million Dollars etc. etc. etc. He flipped on almost all of these things when he began running for President in late 2005.
LauraIngraham is either a liar or aKool Aid Drinker. Don't be like her. Romney's a good guy and should be the VP or head of the RNC but don't fucking tell me he's a "Conservative" as defined by TALK SHOW HOSTS.

Posted by: Aaron at February 07, 2008 01:58 PM (BTdlV)

71 64 - The Dem turnout is in record numbers ...at which point I stopped googling for any historical comparisons. Here's the link to a PDF by Rasmussen though. (Hat tip to the All Spin Zone.) 'nuff said.
...more than enough.

Posted by: davis,br at February 07, 2008 01:59 PM (q4usA)

72 "Romney Exits Race due to Heart-ache and Low Delegate Count. But Mostly Low Delegate Count."

Posted by: Eric J at February 07, 2008 01:59 PM (n2IsG)

73 I said it first yesterday, Lieberman will be Big Mac's pick for VP. Just another thumb in the eye of the conservatives. I hate Big Mac by the way and will not vote for him.

Posted by: UncleZeb at February 07, 2008 02:00 PM (l4QX/)

74 Mitt is giving a TERRIFIC speech btw!
davis,br,
It's true the numbers turning out for the Dems don't bode well, but keep in mind that the shining light oftruth has not shined on the socialism of Hillary/Obama yet.

Posted by: Rightwingsparkle at February 07, 2008 02:00 PM (kuMY6)

75 Also, it is my opinion that the south will never gofor Hillary or Obama.

Posted by: Rightwingsparkle at February 07, 2008 02:00 PM (kuMY6)

76 What about Bill Bennett as McCain's VP?
He has certainly been carrying Maverick's water on his radio show since Florida and he might be conservative enough to appease the base.
Damn this is depressing though.

Posted by: CavMedic at February 07, 2008 02:01 PM (tc3dx)

77 I don't think we ought to be sweating the turnout. Hillary gets people to the polls, one way or the other.

Posted by: spongeworthy at February 07, 2008 02:01 PM (a00go)

78 Romney out.

Hugh Hewitt hardest hit.

Posted by: EC at February 07, 2008 02:01 PM (mAhn3)

79 keep in mind that the shining light oftruth has not shined on the socialism of Hillary/Obama yet.
Heh.

Posted by: The Deciders at February 07, 2008 02:01 PM (evdj2)

80 so what can I do next week when I can finally vote for someone? I guess I can just vote Thompson because my romney efforts here in Md no longer matter.

Posted by: joeindc44 at February 07, 2008 02:02 PM (NXelq)

81 He's giving an energetic, tough speech now at CPAC.

Posted by: IreneFingIrene at February 07, 2008 02:03 PM (7nV1N)

82 McCain/Huckabee wins another coveted endorsement:

"MEXICO CITY President Felipe Calderon said Wednesday that a shifting
political climate in the U.S. could improve the chances that a new
administration in Washington will help bring a comprehensive reform law
that would legalize the status of Mexican immigrants."

Posted by: Vice President Huckabee at February 07, 2008 02:03 PM (PLvLS)

83 The Band beat me to it.
One of the things that really is hurting the situation right now is a lack of a successor to Bush- it's created a power vacuum. McCain (for me) would be more acceptable with someone who spoke to the concerns that conservatives have- namely, McCain's shortcomings on immigration and 1st Amendment issues.
V-K, I can only speak for myself, but I'm not willing to throw the towel in yet. McCain vs Obama is a guaranteed loss, but McCain-Clinton is not so clear. The other thing to bear in mind is that even with Obama, nobody has really parsed his record or his stances on contemporary issues. This is something that my former media colleagues look awfully nervous about when it's brought up.
Do things look grim? Absolutely. But the only way I can look at it is, hey, we've been scored upon, and we're way behind in a lot of ways. Still, what is accomplished by giving up, other than handing the keys to the country to someone we know will abuse it?
We know what we're dealing with now- it is incumbent upon us now to promote someone for Vice-President that we can get behind, in the hopes that we can move a successor closer to our point of view into position to either succeed McCain or to run as our champion in 2012.
tmi3rd

Posted by: tmi3rd at February 07, 2008 02:05 PM (j0gzJ)

84 Mitt is feeling thelove right now.

Posted by: Rightwingsparkle at February 07, 2008 02:05 PM (kuMY6)

85 One more thing to think about. During the election year, if one big thing happens with terror, especially here, then McCain walks away with the Presidency.
This country will do the right thing in the face of terror. They have taken our saftey for granted, but that would change with an attack of any kind.
It is the last thing I would want to happen, even if it would mean Hillary defeated, but my gut tells me that the terrorists are not done with us and they are frustrated.

Posted by: Rightwingsparkle at February 07, 2008 02:08 PM (kuMY6)

86 Ah, a good point, Aaron- I didn't labor under the delusion that Romney was the Great White Hope of conservatism, but I hear you.
Do you really think he should be VP? Personally, I was kind of hoping for Michael Steele in either of the seats you mentioned...
tmi3rd

Posted by: tmi3rd at February 07, 2008 02:09 PM (j0gzJ)

87 Because Mike Huckabee makes McCain look like some combo of Reagan and George Washington. Huckabee, not McCain is the real left-winger in this primary. And if McCain picks Huckabee as Veep, and then proceeds to bow out after one term - which I think is not very unlikley - that makes Huckabee the clear leader for the nomination in 2012, and I don't want Huckabee representing this party.
I might still vote for a McCain/Huckabee ticket, but I really hope McCain picks someone - just about anyone - else.
I agree with everything you said except that you might still vote for McCain/Huckabee - how
if McCain picks a conservative, anyone, I might be able to vote for him but if he picks Huckabee for vp thusensuring a liberal Republican party for the next two or three elections I'm out .

Posted by: ntac at February 07, 2008 02:09 PM (jYyFD)

88
Suspending a campaign has a different meaning depending on the party.
On the Republican side, decisions on how to allocate delegates is left to the state parties.

On the Democratic side, a candidate who "suspends" is technically still
a candidate, so he or she keeps both district and statewide delegates
won through primaries and caucuses. Superdelegates are always free to
support any candidate at any time, whether the candidate drops out,
suspends or stays in.

Posted by: IreneFingIrene at February 07, 2008 02:09 PM (7nV1N)

89 I just don't honestly see anybody who's decided they can live with McCain bailing on him because they don't like his VP. I expect if McCain picks Huckabee or some other non-super conservative choice, the McCainiacs will say, "Well, the VP doesn't have to be the successor. We'll just support someone else in the primaries when the time comes."

As I see it, voting for McCain is in itself saying principles are less important than keeping the other guy out of office. And once you make that choice, it's hard to stop making it. That's pretty much the choice the Republican party has been making since 2000, and even though it worked... I can't say as too many people are happy with the result.

Posted by: V the K at February 07, 2008 02:12 PM (PLvLS)

90 His next move should be a speech full of conservative ideas and promises. Which I hope he will make at CPAC.
Dear CPAC: Shut the fuck up, I'm a Conservative. I've been a conservative while you were still in diapers. I lectured the NVA about free market principles and the Freedom to Choose while they were shoving bamboo up my ass. Chickenshits.
Then a super conservative for VP. Should even announce it soon.
Tom Daschle.

Posted by: I'm John Fucking McCain, Bitches at February 07, 2008 02:12 PM (m6c4H)

91 Look, infant talk show listeners, it's pretty simple. We will happily eat the shit sandwich, but we aren't eating it if there's spicy mustard on it.

We hate spicy mustard.

Posted by: McCainiacs against Huckabee at February 07, 2008 02:13 PM (rZ5uY)

92 RWS-
You're absolutely right on all fronts, but AQ sure seems like they're struggling.
This kind of echoes 1992, where we were the victims of our own success- the media decided the economy was in the crapper and we were coming off of a successfully-prosecuted campaign in the Middle East.
The difference is that this time, Obama does not bring a formidable machine to bear, and Clinton is sort of the successor to Ted Kennedy in that right.
Nonetheless, Karl Rove just put it very well- it is up to McCain to deliver the message now, and also to draw people to him; not to point out the obvious about Clinton.
tmi3rd

Posted by: tmi3rd at February 07, 2008 02:15 PM (j0gzJ)

93 RWS - I have no faith at all in the "shining light of truth" this year, in this circumstance. As a blade, it cuts both ways. Sayin' it cuts for McCain don't make it so.
The real issue isn't one in which state or region gets all their members in line; the issue is how many members turn out. The Republican activists aren't indicative of overall enthusiasm: numbers are. And ours aren't good. Not nearly good enough. You like 'im, thats fine.
But he's crapped on too many people with his little-Napolean act of the last decade, and the MSM isn't going to go Demo-Liteagainst the real deal. I've said before, but it bears repeating: demonization ain't going to work (Dem's don't buy it, and preachin' to the choir isn't effective politics).
The Democrats are energized ...and - god or satan - the general is toast.
Look to the ramparts!
(By which I mean, the down ticket is all that matters now ...time to clean house there...but the sad part there is that's going to take a decade or two, and not an election cycle or two, to be effective. Thank you John McCain and George Bush and Karl Rove and dyspeptic party leaders: you have rejected the three legs of conservatism, andyou will reap the whirlwind you've sown. Bastards.)
Just - sadly enough - sayin'.
Sign me "Cassandra" ...and we all know how happy that turned out.

Posted by: davis,br at February 07, 2008 02:15 PM (q4usA)

94 http://www.fairvote.org/turnout/primaryturnout2004.htm

http://www.centerforpolitics.org/crystalball/article.php?id=FRC2008011701

In short, Democrat turnout in primaries has swamped Republicans in every election cycle since 1972 except '96 (Clinton re-election) and '00 (early Gore coronation).

Posted by: PCHH - the hurtful one at February 07, 2008 02:16 PM (8aPVo)

95 From a governing (not just getting elected) standpoint, McCain's VP choice doesn't matter. He's too arrogant and egotistic to let the VP have any real voice in how things are done. Plus, assuming he somehow manages to win in the general, his Presidency is likely to piss off everyone so much that his VP will never have a shot at the top of any ticket.
Mitt's choice might have mattered(it would have to me), but I won't vote for McCain regardless of who he picks for VP.

Posted by: Hermit Dave at February 07, 2008 02:16 PM (Tk5HT)

96 We will happily eat the shit sandwich, but we aren't eating it if there's spicy mustard on it.

I tend to think of myself as mayonnaise. Spicy mustard is Satan's condiment.

Posted by: Vice President Huckabee at February 07, 2008 02:17 PM (PLvLS)

97 >>It was a very gracious speech, and shows that if nothing else, Romney is a classy guy who has no intention of leaving the national stage. It should be interesting to see what he does next.

Indeed. Equally interesting will be the speech that McCain gives and the comparison between the two.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 07, 2008 02:17 PM (t+mja)

98 Nominate me! I'll keep him in line.

Posted by: Codename: "The Goiter" at February 07, 2008 02:17 PM (zdMgK)

99 davis,br,
But the one thing you are forgetting is that we conservatives (or moderates)haven't had a chance to turn out AGAINST Hillary.
You don't think those numbers will be high as well?

Posted by: Rightwingsparkle at February 07, 2008 02:17 PM (kuMY6)

100 In a word. No. In several words "in your dreams".
"Anti" never works so well as "pro".

Posted by: davis,br at February 07, 2008 02:19 PM (q4usA)

101
Indeed. Equally interesting will be the speech that McCain gives and the comparison between the two.

Oh, McCain would not have been as gracious. Of that I have no doubt whatsoever. Fish gotta swim, bird's gotta fly, McCain's gotta be a sore loser.

It's nature's way.

Posted by: Slublog at February 07, 2008 02:20 PM (R8+nJ)

102 What does everyone think of Condi for Veep? She's not perfect, and the secstate stuff has been really bad for her brand, but I kinda like the idea anyway.

Huckabee got used. He might be appointed to something, but there is no way in hell Mccain is nominating a evangelical murderers go free jackass liar like Huck.

He gets nothing from the hardcore conservatives who will only vote mccain to prevent surrender in Iraq. He gets nothing from moderates who have heard the GOP associated with the religious right crazies for ages. He gets nothing but paying back Huck for spoiling Romney's bid. Huck truly was awful to Romney the entire campaign season. He really has shown what "asshole" is all about.

What if Mccain chooses Fred? Fred is a great friend of Mccain's. He's funny, he's not too abrasive on the social stuff, and he's a supporting actor. Mccain is allthe moderate he needs, so why pick a lefty? Lieberman? Perhaps, but Mccain really needs conservative support. Moderates might vote for Mccain, but they will not work for his campaign. Mccain needs to pick a solid conservative, and I think Fred's the best choice.


Posted by: Gohuckyourself at February 07, 2008 02:21 PM (8dfqL)

103 We will happily eat the shit sandwich
Leave my mother out of this, assholes.

Posted by: Johnny Coldcuts at February 07, 2008 02:21 PM (OgeWo)

104 Hence the problem- if McCain does not figure out a way to lead, we're sunk anyway. Obama is trying to lead, and it's working for him.
tmi3rd

Posted by: tmi3rd at February 07, 2008 02:21 PM (j0gzJ)

105 LOL ...and recognizably true, even to partisans. Point Slublog!

Posted by: davis,br at February 07, 2008 02:21 PM (q4usA)

106 What an absolute barn-burning stemwinder of a speech. This is how Reagan got his start. Like it or not, Mitt is the new face of GOP conservatism, and may be for a generation to come.
So, have the F-18's now left their orbit pattern above the Salt Lake tabernacle?

Posted by: comatus at February 07, 2008 02:23 PM (VjNM6)

107 Gohuckyourself-
Philosophically, I agree, but I worry about Fred evoking a response similar to Cheney from moderates. Any other ideas?
Hakim- thanks for the links, bro.
tmi3rd

Posted by: tmi3rd at February 07, 2008 02:23 PM (j0gzJ)

108 From a governing (not just getting elected) standpoint, McCain's VP choice doesn't matter. He's too arrogant and egotistic to let the VP have any real voice in how things are done. Plus, assuming he somehow manages to win in the general, his Presidency is likely to piss off everyone so much that his VP will never have a shot at the top of any ticket.
I agree but given his age and health the vp has a good shot at becoming president in 4 years.

Posted by: ntac at February 07, 2008 02:25 PM (jYyFD)

109 Slu-

I agree but I am more focused on the speech he is going to give now. He is the nominee now. Will he be arrogant, conciliatory, angry? More importantly, what is the contrast between him and Romney after today?

My guess is that people are going to regret overlooking or hammering Romney for flip flops or other stupid talking points very soon.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 07, 2008 02:25 PM (t+mja)

110 Huck truly was awful to Romney the entire campaign season. He really has shown what "asshole" is all about.

Plus, if McCain picks Huck, he loses the southwest. Mormons aren't turning out for that guy.

Posted by: Slublog at February 07, 2008 02:25 PM (R8+nJ)

111 I genuinely hate my party, right about now.
Screw this. I'm checking to see if WA allows for the option of registering as "Independent."
Mitt In 2012.

Posted by: Kent at February 07, 2008 02:26 PM (yhL2J)

112 Good point, Slu- just to underscore, that whole "brothers with Satan" thing really pissed off the Mormons (and didn't exactly amuse us Catholics either).
tmi3rd

Posted by: tmi3rd at February 07, 2008 02:27 PM (j0gzJ)

113 Conservatives in this country have just been ass raped and according to RWS and the rest of the McCainiacs we should say, "Thank you sir. May I have another?"

My money, my time and my vote will look beyond the Republican party. It is no longer the party I supported for 35 years.

Posted by: Dr. Watson at February 07, 2008 02:27 PM (p0Yi7)

114 if one big thing happens with terror, especially here, then McCain walks away with the Presidency.
So it's a question of how badly the terrorists want McCain to win.

Posted by: Bob Munck at February 07, 2008 02:27 PM (n0BzT)

115 ...in various comments on blogs, I've been reading that no Mormon mistakes the diss of the Evangelicals ...and that vote is no longer Republican regardless of whether McCain is stupid/smart (its a POV thing)enough to choose/not-choose Huckles.
Hilary isn't the only one with built-in negatives.

Posted by: davis,br at February 07, 2008 02:27 PM (q4usA)

116 What if Mccain chooses Fred? Fred is a great friend of Mccain's. He's
funny, he's not too abrasive on the social stuff, and he's a supporting
actor.

So, a slice of ham to go on the sh1t sandwich?


Posted by: V the K at February 07, 2008 02:29 PM (PLvLS)

117 Huck truly was awful to Romney the entire campaign season. He really has shown what "asshole" is all about.

And McCain happily exploited that bigotry as long as it benefited him. I won't forget that.

Posted by: V the K at February 07, 2008 02:31 PM (PLvLS)

118 And. I just head the reaction of the CPAC crowd to Romney bowing out. There was nothin' but boos and angry shouts.
...that don't bode well for McCain this afternoon. He's not going to be facing a friendly crowd.
You reap what you sow. True then. True now.

Posted by: davis,br at February 07, 2008 02:33 PM (q4usA)

119 Fred as McCain's Veep?
Might as well just nominate Waldorf Statler.
McCain will be crushed in November. I predict a solid 38% of the popular vote.
Romney is too good for today's Republican party. Fuck 'em. And fuck you, too, Aaron, you lying piece of shit troll.

Posted by: Bart at February 07, 2008 02:37 PM (YTGcy)

120 >>Huck truly was awful to Romney the entire campaign season. He really has shown what "asshole" is all about.

>>And McCain happily exploited that bigotry as long as it benefited him. I won't forget that.

Many of us won't, even those of us who aren't Mormons.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 07, 2008 02:37 PM (t+mja)

121 Of course Fred! would be a good choice for veep. Why? Because he was the best choice for POTUS, but it didn't happen. Neither will McCain picking him happen. Why? Because this is the season of the anti-Panglos, the worst of all possible worlds. None of the good things happen, all of the bad things do.
Huck still breathes. Fred! and Mitt don't. 'Nuff said.
The time is ripe for creative destruction. I hope McCain does choose Huck and I want to see them go down in flames with such carnage that Michael Dukakis looks like a winner in comparison.The coalition is dead, long live the coalition.
And Michelle Obama really is hot. That's some consolation.

Posted by: Prufrock at February 07, 2008 02:37 PM (omLLi)

122 Compare
I disagree with Senator McCain on a number of issues, as you know. But I agree with him on doing whatever it takes to be successful in Iraq, on finding and executing Osama bin Laden, and on eliminating Al Qaeda and terror. If I fight on in my campaign, all the way to the convention, I would forestall the launch of a national campaign and make it more likely that Senator Clinton or Obama would win. And in this time of war, I simply cannot let my campaign, be a part of aiding a surrender to terror.
and contrast
* And McCain happily exploited that bigotry as long as it benefited him. I won't forget that.
* Conservatives in this country have just been ass raped and according to RWS and the rest of the McCainiacs we should say, "Thank you sir. May I have another?" My money, my time and my vote will look beyond the Republican party. It is no longer the party I supported for 35 years.
I genuinely hate my party, right about now.

I agree with everything you said except that you might still vote for McCain/Huckabee - how. if McCain picks a conservative, anyone, I might be able to vote for him but if he picks Huckabee for vp thusensuring a liberal Republican party for the next two or three elections I'm out .

Lets try to limit the damage in congress and reload with an actual Republican next time out

Posted by: Jeff Larkin at February 07, 2008 02:38 PM (5HveT)

123
Many of us won't, even those of us who aren't Mormons.

In the end, I think given the tenor of their respective campaigns, Romney will come out of this with a much better political future than Huckabee, who has irritated basically everyone in the coalition but his base.

Posted by: Slublog at February 07, 2008 02:39 PM (R8+nJ)

124 Mitt In 2012.
Fuck yeah!

Posted by: Bart at February 07, 2008 02:39 PM (YTGcy)

125
Posted by: Jeff Larkin at February 07, 2008 02:38 PM (5HveT)

Oh, good point.

Words written by a speechwriter hours before and emotional off-the-cuff reactions to breaking news on a blog?

Totally equivalent.

Posted by: Slublog at February 07, 2008 02:40 PM (R8+nJ)

126 It's the sentiment, dummy.

Posted by: Jeff Larkin at February 07, 2008 02:41 PM (5HveT)

127 Mitt Romney was:
Pro Stem Cell, Pro Abortion, STILL believes Humans are causing Global Warming
McCain still is pro ESC research and not only believes humans are causing global warming and hurricanes, he co-sponsored McCain-Lieberman* to put a cap trade system in place in America.
*Note: all, every single piece of, McCain's signature legislation has been co-sponsored by Democrats.

Posted by: Jay at February 07, 2008 02:41 PM (BNlV7)

128 Although it would be worth the price of admission to hear Mitt begin with "I have just been ass raped . . . "

Posted by: Jeff Larkin at February 07, 2008 02:41 PM (5HveT)

129 We welcome our new witty, relevant, deep (whoa, waaay deep)Jeff Larkins overlords.
Sheesh. (sorry RWS: meet you in a future thread) /thread

Posted by: davis,br at February 07, 2008 02:42 PM (q4usA)

130 It's the sentiment, dummy.

It's the venue, doo-doo head.

Posted by: Slublog at February 07, 2008 02:42 PM (R8+nJ)

131 Jeff Larkin is such a shill for McCain, it really doesn't matter what he posts.

Posted by: V the K at February 07, 2008 02:42 PM (PLvLS)

132 A silver lining: How this effects Huckabee.
In the last day or two, Huckabee's been sticking his chest out, vowing to go on to the end. He's compared himself to a boxer, and said he won't leave the ring voluntarily, that he'll have to be carried out unconscious.
But now Romney, with an extraordinary amount of class, has stepped aside for what is, in his view, the benefit of the party. He's refused to drag the process along when he knows he has no realistic chance to win.
What does Huck do now? If he stays in, he looks even more like a self-important, arrogant and stubburn ass. If he drops out, he looks like a disingenuous bigot whose primary justification for running was to prevent a Mormon from winning.
This should be fun to watch.

Posted by: angler at February 07, 2008 02:43 PM (kSuu1)

133 Wow, people actually still read Larkin's posts? I can tell his posts just from the length and formatting, allowing me to skip them entirely. I've thus managed to eliminate 12% of the tedious drivel in my life.

Posted by: Hermit Dave at February 07, 2008 02:43 PM (Tk5HT)

134 If I am a shill for McCain, so too Mitt Romney.
Not everyone can rise to the level of the "I'll never vote for that awful man" patriots who reside here.

Posted by: Jeff Larkin at February 07, 2008 02:43 PM (5HveT)

135
The Fourth Estate has just had their Christmas Goose served on a Silver Platter.

Posted by: franksalterego at February 07, 2008 02:45 PM (0TDig)

136 Conservatives in this country have just been ass raped and according to RWS and the rest of the McCainiacs we should say, "Thank you sir. May I have another?"
Totally nottrue. I have said here and at my blog that if you can't supportMcCain, you can't. Fine.
I'm starting to think that McCainmay ask Romney for VP. It may not help regionally, but he is youthful looking and unforch, Fred looks too old, he looks older than McCain. Hillary/Obama will look youthful. I don't know who is doing what to Hillary's skin, but they know what they are doing. (Hollywood stuff, I'm sure)
I disagree with my sweetie Bart, I think McCain will win. Or at the very least it will be 2000 all over again.

Posted by: Rightwingsparkle at February 07, 2008 02:45 PM (kuMY6)

137 And Romney's bow to McCain just shows that he has more class than the Maverick ever did. If McCain apologizes for lying about Romney wanting to wave the white flag in Iraq, if he apologizes for saying nothing while his ally leveraged religious bigotry to take out Romney, then that would be something.

But he won't. Because one thing McCain is incapable of is admitting he was wrong. He simply lacks the character.

Posted by: V the K at February 07, 2008 02:46 PM (PLvLS)

138 I have had enough of Jeff Larkin, too.

McCain has two more chances to thumb his nose at us between now and November. Believe me, he'll take advantage of both of those opportunities.
1) To pick an asshole, like himself, as Veep.
2) And tack even further to the Left by insulting the core Conservative principles in order to pander to Independents and moderates.
McCain's speech today at CPAC won't even resemble anything close reaching out, but will be more of the same "take it or leave it, my friends" shit we've been getting for the last 8 years from that old turd.
The spin by his supporters and the media will be amusing, though. They'll spin McCain's speech as "concilliatory" and "humble."
Yeah, righhhhhhhhhhhhhhht.

Posted by: Bart at February 07, 2008 02:47 PM (jXJS6)

139 McCain is indeed a very, very, very bad man.

Posted by: Jeff Larkin at February 07, 2008 02:47 PM (5HveT)

140 Are you kidding me my friend? I'm relocating to Australia where a person can kick the shit out of muslims on the beach and nobody cares, encouraged in fact. The US is so fucked.

Posted by: Newt G at February 07, 2008 02:48 PM (X7Ey1)

141 I'm with Bart; Romney 2012. Sure, he once held some overly liberal views, but you know, so did I.

Might as well throw in Fred as VP, too.

Posted by: sandy burger at February 07, 2008 02:49 PM (Uuy++)

142 Some indistinguishable NRO drone says:



I bet a lot of
people are wishing that [Mitt] displayed more of that inspirational quality
and verve in the campaign.



This people is wishing one motherfucker ever would say something other
than that after any drop-out speech by any candidate, ever. Hack-ass
fuck.



Goldberg's pissing me off, too. There's a fine illustration of one of
the theses in his new book running for President right now, and rather
than make his own fucking point, Goldie's on the shut-up-and-vote train for him.



Pussies all.



(Except Steyn and Derb.)

Posted by: Retired (Not Gay) at February 07, 2008 02:50 PM (k5JzA)

143 "If he drops out, he looks like a disingenuous bigot whose primary justification for running was to prevent a Mormon from winning."

Huck will look like a disingenuous bigot if he stays in, too...

Anyone besides me think McCain may very well make Joe Leiberman his VP?

Posted by: H2U at February 07, 2008 02:50 PM (TZKUw)

144 Mr. Larkin - I have spent my life in defense of this nation and the Constitution. I maintain the right to speak my mind, freely, in political discourse. I will continue to do so past the point when you moderates allow the 1st Amendment be suborned. Until then, will a hearty, "Fuck off!" suit you?

Posted by: Dr. Watson at February 07, 2008 02:51 PM (p0Yi7)

145 McCain should pick AL governor Sarah Palin. Conservative.Hot. And a pick I'd happily get behind.

Posted by: Rocketeer at February 07, 2008 02:52 PM (GFaLW)

146 I'll vote in local and state races, but if McCain thinks this conservative is going to get in line for him, then he can suck it down where the sun don't shine. Here's a nice good bowlful of "Go F*%# Yourself" McCain.

Posted by: Lincoln at February 07, 2008 02:52 PM (gLNLT)

147 "This is not an easy decision for me. I hate to lose. My family, my friends and our supporters many of you right here in this room have given a great deal to get me where I have a shot at becoming President. If this were only about me, I would go on. But I entered this race because I love America, and because I love America, I feel I must now stand aside, for our party and for our country.

I will continue to stand for conservative principles; I will fight alongside you for all the things we believe in. And one of those things is that we cannot allow the next President of the United States to retreat in the face evil extremism."

Class Act.

Link

Posted by: dead illegal alien felon at February 07, 2008 02:52 PM (4eHWq)

148 Not everyone can rise to the level of the "I'll never vote for that awful man" patriots who reside here.

Although I plan on voting for McCain, you still sound like a troll to me, so make of that what you will.

Posted by: sandy burger at February 07, 2008 02:54 PM (Cpse7)

149 Sure, he once held some overly liberal views, but you know, so did I?

I know the feeling. When I started in college, I was more or less pro-choice, or, more to the point, just didn't care. Then, one day, I was looking for something in the Yellow Pages and I chanced on the page for "Abortion Services." There were three or four pages of half and quarter-page ads. And the kicker was every one of them advertised "We take Visa and Mastercard." And then it hit me. Abortion was an industry. There were people making profits from killing babies. It instantly changed my whole view. So, I can completely understand how the Embryonic Stem Cell issue could change Romney's.

Posted by: V the K at February 07, 2008 02:54 PM (PLvLS)

150 McCain should pick AL governor Sarah Palin. Conservative.Hot. And a pick I'd happily get behind.

That would be an outstanding choice. If you haven't heard of her, I encourage you to check out her bio page.

Posted by: Slublog at February 07, 2008 02:54 PM (R8+nJ)

151 Is Huckabee a good VP pick, or does he need to mend fences with the anti-McCain conservatives?

Hell no, and it won't be him. Maybe Tom Coburn?

But remember, he certainly doesn't owe us (conservatives) anything; not especially since the MDS jihad has been going on.

Hey RWS--you are officially allowed to say "I told you so." You said a loooong time ago McCain would be the nominee.

Posted by: Beth at February 07, 2008 02:55 PM (yqiXY)

152 Ihave spent my life in defense of this nation and the Constitution. I maintain the right to speak my mind, freely, in political discourse. I will continue to do so past the point when you moderates allow the 1st Amendment be suborned. Until then, will a hearty, "Fuck off!" suit you?
What's more offensive? The ignorant filling or the self-important, Nathan Halecoating?
Tough call.

Posted by: Jeff Larkin at February 07, 2008 02:56 PM (5HveT)

153 Lieberman has ruled himself out. I wonder Feingold or Kennedy are interested.

Posted by: V the K at February 07, 2008 02:56 PM (PLvLS)

154 I am amazed that CPAC is begging attendees to not boo our own nominee for
President. How did we get ourselves into this mess? I won't boo the man. And I won't vote for him either.

Posted by: Gary at February 07, 2008 02:57 PM (ZZOa6)

155 Chip Saltzman -- "Mike Huckabee is the one man who can unite the Republican party."

We're doomed.

Posted by: mesablue at February 07, 2008 02:57 PM (KCOdQ)

156 McCain should pick AK governor Sarah Palin.

Fixed. The AL governor is Bob Riley.

Posted by: Beth at February 07, 2008 02:57 PM (yqiXY)

157 If conservatives liked Romney so much, why was he self-financing? Why didn't they turn out to vote for him? This year's primary was rub-a-dub-dub, three RINOs in a tub. Mitt gets to be the martyr, but you didn't like him any better than the rest of us until he was the only non-asshole left.

True Conservatives have been responsible for their share of turkey candidates (as a Californian, I'm probably more aware of this than people who live in places where the party hasn't been trashed), so it rings a little hollow, now, for them to get pissy about a turkey who isn't their favorite turkey. If Fred were in the Mitt role, and Mitt were in the McCain role, we'd be having this same rolling horseshit festival; McCain may be RINOier than Romney (I'm not convinced that's true; I'm quite sure that Huckabee was much RINOier), but you guys never had a candidate you really liked. You never bankrolled any of them, and this I'm staying home shtick would be more impressive if you hadn't already done it in the primary.

I like McCain. I agree with him on immigration. I like him on the war, and love his porkbusting. The WSJ called him the most pro-Free Trade candidate of any running, and, to the extent that's true, I'm thrilled by it. I hate McCain's campaign finance reform, am deeply suspicious of his global warming routine, and could not be more irritated by his Drug Companies are the devil oneliners. But I like McCain. If conservatives had somebody they liked, and had supported him, and voted for him, I'd have put up with all the bible thumping and immigration stuff that I deeply oppose because I'm a Republican.

Posted by: Trouble Maker at February 07, 2008 02:58 PM (xbnkn)

158 Mr. Larkin - I spent over 30 years in the U.S. Navy - at sea, around the globe and standing the watch. It isn't posturing when you have walked the walk, asshole.

Posted by: Dr. Watson at February 07, 2008 02:58 PM (p0Yi7)

159 OOPS. Sorry, Alaskans.
Alabamans should thank me, since I was giving them a promotion.
(Just kidding Alabamans. Sorta.)

Posted by: Rocketeer at February 07, 2008 02:59 PM (GFaLW)

160 McCain is still a arrogant, spoiled brat.
Huck is a douchenozzle...oh wait...a BIGOTED douchenozzle.
Mitt has and will always have more class than all of 'em.
I'm writing in my vote for Batman.

Posted by: Hello my name is Fidel & I'll c=be your server this evening at February 07, 2008 02:59 PM (iYbLN)

161 Bennett's suggestion that Romney could be next RNC chairman was a good one - he wouldn't be the first beautiful loser to lick his wounds in that position. Keep him in the public eye, allow him to deepen connections throughout the party, including esp. his kind of people ($$$ people), prove he's the party man he claims to be. Doesn't have to be a lifetime appointment - in case he needs some other position to sharpen his foreign policy creds. In the meantime he doesn't add anything electorally to a McCain ticket either as a regional force or as an electric campaigner, no one believes the two would work well together, VP would be a waste of Romney's skills even in the best of circumstances, and there are a long line of future cabinet secretaries who've been on the STE, and in the good graces of conservatives, for a lot longer.

If the moderators and other posters at AOSHQ are nicer to me - excuse me, forgive me for all the horrible hurtful things I've said to them - I may tell John next time we talk to nix the Huck 4 VP stuff. I'm warming up to the Coburn option. If it's him or someone like him, I sure hope the super-cons give John credit for the losses he'll absorb on arguably preferable electorate expansion strategies.

Posted by: PCHH - the hurtful one at February 07, 2008 03:00 PM (8aPVo)

162 I am amazed that CPAC is begging attendees to not boo our own nominee forPresident. How did we get ourselves into this mess? I won't boo the man. And I won't vote for him either.

The effects of the echo chamber, Gary. Booing is for yahoos like troofers and Paultards. They'd better not embarrass conservatives by acting like them.

Posted by: Beth at February 07, 2008 03:00 PM (yqiXY)

163 Mr. Larkin - I spent over 30 years in the U.S. Navy - at sea, around the globe and standing the watch. It isn't posturing when you have walked the walk, asshole.
Thank you for your service. But I will take this opportunity to point out that using chickenhawkery to try and shut down an opponent, even Jeff Larkin,is no more attractive coming from a conservative veteran.

Posted by: Rocketeer at February 07, 2008 03:01 PM (GFaLW)

164 Hmmm, if there were a close election and a bunch of us wrote in "douchnozzle," would those be counted as votes for McCain, or votes for Obama/Hillary?

Posted by: V the K at February 07, 2008 03:01 PM (PLvLS)

165 Dr. Watson
Your service is commendable. Your prose and posture, however, remain laughable.

Posted by: Jeff Larkin at February 07, 2008 03:02 PM (5HveT)

166 I'm willing to vote for McCain. But I will vote for Satan, Hitler, Zod, or Cthlulu before I sign on to Huckabee and his anti-papist mafia.

Posted by: Vercingetorix at February 07, 2008 03:02 PM (JvmRx)

167 Mitt Romney has suspended his campaign. You know who benefits? Mitt Romney.
.
sorry, i couldn't resist
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Posted by: Hollowpoint at February 07, 2008 03:02 PM (rf03a)

168 Hey RWS--you are officially allowed to say "I told you so." You said a loooong time ago McCain would be the nominee.
I never said it because it was what I wanted (although I did) I said it because Republicans have always had a history of nominating those whose "turn" it is. That is the way of politics.
V the K,
You just demonstrated to me why you are one stand up guy.
We may disagree here with McCain, but I have enormous respect for you.

Posted by: Rightwingsparkle at February 07, 2008 03:03 PM (kuMY6)

169 Add Mark Levin to the list of non-pussies, Retired (Not Gay).

Posted by: Matt at February 07, 2008 03:05 PM (ecpMe)

170 Hollowpoint! Where is my champagne??
At the very least you owe me a drink.

Posted by: Rightwingsparkle at February 07, 2008 03:05 PM (kuMY6)

171 It's difficult to believe I'm still amused by that joke.

Posted by: Fortitudine at February 07, 2008 03:05 PM (1Tx14)

172 We may disagree here with McCain, but I have enormous respect for you.

Likewise. (I'm assuming she means the abortion comment and not the douchenozzle comment.) We may name the next kitten after you after all.

Posted by: V the K at February 07, 2008 03:05 PM (PLvLS)

173 V the K
Maybe we should mark the ballot R-Douchenozzle or D-Douchenozzle?
Wait, they still couldn't determine who we are voting for...they are the same person. Oh my God! McCain/Hillary is a hermaphrodite!!!

Posted by: Hello my name is Fidel & I'll be your server this evening at February 07, 2008 03:05 PM (iYbLN)

174 What's more offensive? The ignorant filling or the self-important, Nathan Halecoating?
Tough call.heh.


Posted by: Officer Paddy O'Irony at February 07, 2008 03:05 PM (NPzE8)

175 Second Look at Ron Paul?

Posted by: Kasper Hauser at February 07, 2008 03:06 PM (KeOQp)

176 Hmmm, if there were a close election and a bunch of us wrote in "douchnozzle," would those be counted as votes for McCain, or votes for Obama/Hillary?
A vote for "douchenozzle" is a vote for Rocketeer!
Rocketeer/Palin '08

Posted by: Rocketeer at February 07, 2008 03:07 PM (GFaLW)

177 Kasper! have you been drinking in the middle of the day again?

Posted by: Rightwingsparkle at February 07, 2008 03:07 PM (kuMY6)

178 How do you like me now?

Posted by: Vice President Douchenozzle at February 07, 2008 03:07 PM (PLvLS)

179 Rocketeer - I only mentioned it when he spewed the, "What's more offensive? The ignorant filling or the self-important, Nathan Halecoating?" crapola.

Sorry if that is out of line. . .

Posted by: Dr. Watson at February 07, 2008 03:08 PM (p0Yi7)

180 Mitt has never been one of my favorite candidates, but he has class - quite unlike Mr. Straight Talk Express who has distorted Mitt's comments on time tables and the like.

I've lost a lot of respect for all those evangelical douchebags who only care about abortion, the ever-pivotal gay marriage debate, and stopping a Mormon from becoming prez.

The only chance McCain has of getting my vote is to sign a loophole-proof pledge saying he will not sign any amnesty or support any guest worker program either in his first term in office or in a possible second term and promising that he will seal the border - all 2,000 miles of it. I'm not holding my breath.

I wonder who I should write in.

Posted by: Mike Z. at February 07, 2008 03:09 PM (GLMrI)

181 Jeff Larkin, I can't imagine why Ace ever sent you packing. You are such an exquisite mixture of arrogance, self-importance, condescension and overall douchie goodness people just line up to verbally kick you in the balls. I should add your obvious unawareness of what an insufferable asshole you sound like is also particularly repelling.

If I didn't know that McCain was at CPAC, I would swear you are him.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 07, 2008 03:10 PM (t+mja)

182 Your prose and posture, however, remain laughable.
Move along skel, move along

Posted by: Officer Paddy O'Irony at February 07, 2008 03:11 PM (evdj2)

183 McCain shouldn't be booed. We aren't Democrats, after all.

Posted by: Mike Z. at February 07, 2008 03:12 PM (GLMrI)

184 From the Office of the Vice President of the United States.
Vice President Huckdouchenozzle begins with:
Good evening my fellow Americans (You know non-mormons, non-jews.)
Dear God I am physically ill, I need a Maalox.

Posted by: Hello my name is Fidel & I'll be your server this evening at February 07, 2008 03:12 PM (iYbLN)

185 Hey JackStraw...how's come you're about the only moron without a blog? You got the sweet, soothing vitriol a weasel appreciates just now...

Posted by: S. Weasel at February 07, 2008 03:12 PM (rasT+)

186 Rocketeer - I only mentioned it when he spewed the, "What's more offensive? The ignorant filling or the self-important, Nathan Halecoating?" crapola.Sorry if that is out of line. . .
Look, he's pushing my buttons too, I really do appreciate your service. But in your first post it kind of came off like your status as a veteran made your position more valuable. I guess I obviously misread your intention.

Posted by: Rocketeer at February 07, 2008 03:13 PM (GFaLW)

187 Jeff Larkin, I can't imagine why Ace ever sent you packing. You are
such an exquisite mixture of arrogance, self-importance, condescension
and overall douchie goodness people just line up to verbally kick you
in the balls. I should add your obvious unawareness of what an
insufferable asshole you sound like is also particularly repelling.

Matthew 7:3

Posted by: PCHH - the hurtful one at February 07, 2008 03:13 PM (8aPVo)

188
Posted by: Trouble Maker at February 07, 2008 02:58 PM (xbnkn)

Megadittos, Troublemaker.

/runs

Posted by: Beth at February 07, 2008 03:13 PM (yqiXY)

189 Plus, if McCain picks Huck, he loses the southwest. Mormons aren't turning out for that guy.
Uh- isn't McCain from the Southwest? Even if Mormons were ticked that McCain picked up Huckabee as his veep, McCain would at the very least still carry Arizona, Texas, Oklahoma and probably Nevada. Who knows whether Hispanic votes help him in New Mexico.
There are a lot of reasons not to pick Huckabee as veep. Losing the Southwest is not in the top 50.

Posted by: Matt at February 07, 2008 03:14 PM (ecpMe)

190 I'm willing to vote for McCain. But I will vote for Satan, Hitler, Zod, or Cthlulu before I sign on to Huckabee and his anti-papist mafia.

Likewise.

By the way, V the K, the reason it's so different for me is that with McCain I'm voting for somebody who's better than the opposition (although not by much, maybe), whereas with Huckabee I'd be voting for somebody I consider to be a bigot.

If we tar the GOP with bigotry it will hurt right-wing causes for decades. McCain we can recover from. Huckabee, I'm not so sure.

Posted by: sandy burger at February 07, 2008 03:14 PM (K2rlS)

191 If you live in a state that has not yet had its primary, it is time to seriously consider voting for Hillary on primary day. I know that is an unpardonable sin, but hear out my logic.
1. McCain is going to be the nominee and he doesn't need our votes for that. He's proven that. None of us want to vote for him anyway. A vote for one of the guys who has already dropped out is a waste. A symbolic waste at best.
2. If Hillary gets the nomination, McCain can beat her.
3. If Obama gets the nomination McCain will lose. Obama has too much momentum. People are jumping on his bandwagon in droves for no apparant reason. He's the candidate with sex appeal and McCain can not compete with that. It won't be about the issues. It will be about the millions of irrational Americans who will vote for Obama because he smiles and says lots of nice Hallmark worthy phrases.
To there you have it. Let's get Hillary the nomination so we can stop Obama.
That is all. Carry on.

Posted by: t.ferg at February 07, 2008 03:14 PM (2YVh7)

192 And to clarify, no I do not equate evangelical Christianity with bigotry. I equate Mike F'n Huckabee with bigotry. The guy is slimy.

Posted by: sandy burger at February 07, 2008 03:15 PM (K2rlS)

193 The only chance McCain has of getting my vote is to sign a
loophole-proof pledge saying he will not sign any amnesty or support
any guest worker program either in his first term in office or in a
possible second term and promising that he will seal the border - all
2,000 miles of it. I'm not holding my breath.

There's a border security bill in the House right now, the Secure America with Verification and Enforcement Act (SAVE Act). I doubt McCain will sponsor it in the Senate. (What would Juan "Mexico First" Hernandez say?), but I will apologize and admit my error if he does so.

Posted by: V the K at February 07, 2008 03:16 PM (PLvLS)

194 Jeff Larkin, I can't imagine why Ace ever sent you packing. You are such an exquisite mixture of arrogance, self-importance, condescension and overall douchie goodness people just line up to verbally kick you in the balls. I should add your obvious unawareness of what an insufferable asshole you sound like is also particularly repelling.
Mr. Straw
I served my country for 30 years on its golf courses as a caddy, in its suburbs as a newspaper boy, and in its eateries as a busman,dishwasher and sometime greeter. So I believe I have the authority to tell you and the rest of your coterie that this is a very pleasant, log-rolling club, and you, sir, are a very good log-roller and a very good club leader.

Posted by: Jeff Larkin at February 07, 2008 03:16 PM (5HveT)

195 Matthew 7:3
Ah, yes. One of my favorites. Isn't that the one about complaining about the stick up your opponent's butt, when you've got an 8X10 sticking out yer ass?

Posted by: Rocketeer at February 07, 2008 03:17 PM (GFaLW)

196 McCain shouldn't be booed. We aren't Democrats, after all.
Fuck off. Do what you want, you moderate Democratturd, and I'll do what I want.

Posted by: Bart at February 07, 2008 03:17 PM (kdvL0)

197 Jeffy - Ever had mucus running out of your ear?

Posted by: Dr. Watson at February 07, 2008 03:18 PM (p0Yi7)

198 Dr. Watson
No, but I hear its hard to . . . catch!
Da-dum.

Posted by: Jeff Larkin at February 07, 2008 03:19 PM (5HveT)

199 Howdy, Bart. Calm down, brother. Have a smoke.

Posted by: Rocketeer at February 07, 2008 03:19 PM (GFaLW)

200
Posted by: t.ferg at February 07, 2008 03:14 PM (2YVh7)

I can't believe it, but I actually like that idea.

Posted by: Beth at February 07, 2008 03:20 PM (yqiXY)

201 Bart, I'm assuming you aren't at CPAC. Go ahead and boo, then. Have a nut.

Posted by: Beth at February 07, 2008 03:21 PM (yqiXY)

202 The VP will go to McCain's bitch, Graham, of SC. Not married either?? I am not saying that there is something going on there, but it did get mightly lonesome in prison, right John?

Posted by: Kempermanx at February 07, 2008 03:21 PM (qvT/A)

203 Although I wasn't a Romney fan, he showed inordinate class in his goodbye, definitely (imho) worth another look at a later date. That said, I wonder if Huckabee will show a fraction of that class in his farewell?

Posted by: irongrampa at February 07, 2008 03:22 PM (N4pK7)

204 I can't believe it, but I actually like that idea.

I can't believe it, either. But I do also. An Obama presidency would probably be worse than a Hillary or McCain one.

Posted by: Mike Z. at February 07, 2008 03:22 PM (GLMrI)

205 Hey, lay off Lindsey Graham.

Posted by: Larry Craig at February 07, 2008 03:22 PM (GFaLW)

206 >>Hey JackStraw...how's come you're about the only moron without a blog? You got the sweet, soothing vitriol a weasel appreciates just now...

It's part of my long term plan. Eventually, everyone in the world will have a blog except me. I shall be the lone commenter and I will sell my comments to the highest bidder(s) and use the funds to purchase a large sailboat crewed entirely by naked supermodels and equipped with a satellite dish so I may comment from exotic locals around the globe.

It's only a theory, there may be some problems I haven't considered yet.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 07, 2008 03:23 PM (t+mja)

207 Fuck off. Do what you want, you moderate Democratturd, and I'll do what I want.

Please. I may be a turd but I'm not a moderate Democrat.

Posted by: Mike Z. at February 07, 2008 03:24 PM (GLMrI)

208 Although I wasn't a Romney fan, he showed inordinate class in his
goodbye, definitely (imho) worth another look at a later date. That
said, I wonder if Huckabee will show a fraction of that class in his
farewell?

I imagine he will. His supporters, though...not so much. Because God is on their side!!!!
/eyeroll

Posted by: Beth at February 07, 2008 03:25 PM (yqiXY)

209 No...Obama's beliefs are worse than McCain or Hillary. But he's new and green and doesn't have the organization or the skills. There is no Obama mafia. Who cares what he believes if he can't get anything done?

Posted by: S. Weasel at February 07, 2008 03:25 PM (rasT+)

210 Conservatives in this country have just been ass raped and according to RWS and the rest of the McCainiacs we should say, "Thank you sir. May I have another?"
McCain '08 - No Lube
During the election year, if one big thing happens with terror, especially here, then McCain walks away with the Presidency.
It won't. The koranimals will be nice and quiet until the dems take back the White House. After that, game on.

Posted by: TiredWench at February 07, 2008 03:25 PM (Kx1hM)

211 This song's for you McShame! :-)


Posted by: Lincoln at February 07, 2008 03:28 PM (gLNLT)

212 I'm not AT ALL convinced terror or even defense are all that strong for McCain. The troops themselves he'd take care of. But shutting Gitmo? Forbidding torture?
And I believe the only reason he supported a surge is that it was the exact opposite of what Rumsfeld was doing.
Who knows what the next step is in the War on Terror? Anyone? If they don't strike us again, I don't see the electorate having the will to preemptively up the ante anywhere in the world. Under any president.

Posted by: S. Weasel at February 07, 2008 03:29 PM (rasT+)

213 Well, I gotta admit seeing everyone else eat their shit sandwich and fall in line behind McCain between now and november, and have to boost the guy, is going to be hillarious. Especially when he ends uplosing anyway.

Posted by: Entropy at February 07, 2008 03:29 PM (m6c4H)

214 Hey, quite you're whinning, everyone. How many of you have to vote for BOTH John McCain AND Lindsey Graham in the same year.
Oh, wait, I should stick to my "principals" and NOT vote for either. That way the Democrats will have both the Presidency AND a possible fillibuster proof number in the Senate, right?!

Posted by: JFH at February 07, 2008 03:29 PM (AwkNH)

215 Another rationale for voting against McCain. Every president wants "accomplishments" his first term in office. McCain would be working with a Democrat congress. What common ground could a McCain presidency make an accomplishment on?

I think Amnesty 3.0 is the most obvious answer to that.

Kyoto-type Global Warming Regulation is another obvious answer.

Any others?

The second part is, in order to continue the war in Iraq, what will McCain be willing to compromise on to the Democrat Congress because winning the war is the only thing that matters? Will it be judges? Tax cuts? Maybe a better question is, what would he not compromise on?

Posted by: V the K at February 07, 2008 03:29 PM (PLvLS)

216 Jeffy - I would say it was a shame your parents never knocked the snot out of you.

Posted by: Dr. Watson at February 07, 2008 03:30 PM (p0Yi7)

217 McCain shouldn't be booed. We aren't Democrats, after all.
Fuck off. Do what you want, you moderate Democratturd, and I'll do what I want. --Bart
Classy and petty as always. Classy and petty as always.
How tedious.

Posted by: dougf at February 07, 2008 03:32 PM (16GPT)

218 Doc Wat
That was funny, save for the awkward and forced set up. And the fact that my parents served 30 years in the Navy - at sea, around the globe and standing the watch - so I was neglected.

Posted by: Jeff Larkin at February 07, 2008 03:32 PM (5HveT)

219 I think Amnesty 3.0 is the most obvious answer to that.

Yeah.

Kyoto-type Global Warming Regulation is another obvious answer.

I doubt it. Clinton tried, and if I remember right, Congress was almost 100% opposed to it. It's a great issue to grandstand on, but when representatives are actually looking at a concrete proposal to make their constituents poorer, they'll balk (and with MSM help, blame its failure on the Republicans).

Posted by: sandy burger at February 07, 2008 03:34 PM (PQyeQ)

220 I like my new name.
I am a died in the wool republican. But I have a maverick streak when it comes to McCain. Hope you like that Jonny.

Posted by: Mephitis, The Maverick Republican at February 07, 2008 03:35 PM (bWB5j)

221 There are a higher percentage of "I'll take-my-ball, McCain is an evildoer, let's take to the catacombs" types here today.
This may bode well for McCain at CPAC, where there may be a higher percentage of toilet-trained conservatives.

Posted by: Jeff Larkin at February 07, 2008 03:35 PM (5HveT)

222 Hollowpoint! Where is my champagne??
At the very least you owe me a drink.
It's on the way; I told the delivery guy to open it and pour it on your head when he gets there.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at February 07, 2008 03:35 PM (rf03a)

223 I think Amnesty 3.0 is the most obvious answer to that.

Or you can have drivers' licenses for illegals with Obamessiah.

I'll stick with the guy who has said repeatedly on the record that he'll secure the border first, thanks. It's funny nobody here believes him, but believed Romney's amazing acrobatic flips.

Posted by: Beth at February 07, 2008 03:35 PM (yqiXY)

224 It's funny nobody here believes him

Yeah, you'd almost think he tried to ramrod an Amnesty bill through the senate that was cooked up in a back room and written by Ted Kennedy and told those who wanted enforcement provisions to "F--- off!" or something

Posted by: V the K at February 07, 2008 03:39 PM (PLvLS)

225 >>I'll stick with the guy who has said repeatedly on the record that he'll secure the border first, thanks. It's funny nobody here believes him, but believed Romney's amazing acrobatic flips.

You have got to be kidding me. Did you read this blog? There were about 3 of us supporting Romney before Fred resumed his nap. Nobody believed Romney, ask Hollowpoint.

Oh, and Romney didn't actually write legislation or vote for anything he is accused of flip flopping on. That's right, not a single vote or piece of legislation. We are now about to watch the spectacle of McCain flipping on legislation he wrote with some of the most liberal members of Congress and called us bigots when we didn't like it. This is going to be Cirque de Soleil type flipping.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 07, 2008 03:41 PM (t+mja)

226 Jeffy - Isn't your presence required at CPAC to rally the McCainiacs to cheer for Kyoto-like energy caps, suppression of political speech, and open borders?

Don't be surprised if the "un-washed" don't join you, you elitist prig.

Posted by: Dr. Watson at February 07, 2008 03:41 PM (p0Yi7)

227 I'll stick with the guy who has said repeatedly on the record that
he'll secure the border first, thanks. It's funny nobody here believes
him, but believed Romney's amazing acrobatic flips.

I never felt entirely comfortable with Romney, but he was only governor of a very blue state. McCain is a senator and has a proven track-record of opposing border control, supporting guest worker programs, gushing over the Spanish language, and relying upon Mexico Firsters in his presidential campaign.

Posted by: Mike Z. at February 07, 2008 03:41 PM (GLMrI)

228 Or you can have drivers' licenses for illegals with Obamessiah.

Which is a bigger deal than some people realize, since you can cross the Mexican border into America using just a driver's license, no passport or visa needed. I know this firsthand; I've done it.

They're gonna start requiring a birth certificate as well, but, have you looked at your birth certificate lately? Many of them are trivial to forge.

Posted by: sandy burger at February 07, 2008 03:42 PM (ePQxy)

229 McCain is socially bipolar. We all know of his temper tantrums, but we have also heard that he can be charming on social occasions. Hisbest friends in office are from across the aisle. His well known and established friendship with Fred Thompson is unusual in that Thompson is a firm conservative. It's probably Thompson's personality that allows that friendship to exist. What other Republican is truly a loyal friend of John McCain?
McCain would be fortunate indeed to get Thompson to agree to share the ticket as VP. Unlike any other conservative Republican available, Thompson not only gets along well with McCain, but also with everyone. With Thompson, neither Mormons nor Baptists would get preferential pickin's on the VP ticket, yet neither would be insulted by the choice as Thompson has never expressed anything but respect for religious freedom.
The McCain/Thompson GOP ticket would represent the "best" of two worlds, liberal and conservative, in an established friendship condusive to productive efforts. McCain could rely on Thompson's loyalty to whatever platform is finally chosen at the Convention. If the compromised platform doesn't suit Thompson, he simply wouldn't agree to the VP. That McCain NEEDS Thompson in order to get Republican support on Capitol Hill is a fact. Thompson is an adept negotiator and has established good relations with Congressional colleagues.
If Thompson agreed to be McCain's VP, that would be better for the GOP than most other choices would be. With their age factor, that would also enable Romney to prepare himself more effectively forhis next campaign.

Posted by: maverick muse at February 07, 2008 03:43 PM (gXSl2)

230 Obama is more conservative then McCain on immigration. He did not support McCain's Comprehensive Piece of Shit.
Obama: The time to fix our broken immigration system is now We need stronger enforcement on the border and at the workplace
Barack Obama's Plan
Create Secure Borders
Obama wants to preserve the integrity of our borders. He supports additional personnel, infrastructure and technology on the border and at our ports of entry.
Improve Our Immigration System
Obama believes we must fix the dysfunctional immigration bureaucracy and increase the number of legal immigrants to keep families together and meet the demand for jobs that employers cannot fill.
Remove Incentives to Enter Illegally
Obama will remove incentives to enter the country illegally by cracking down on employers who hire undocumented immigrants.
Bring People Out of the Shadows
Obama supports a system that allows undocumented immigrants who are in good standing to pay a fine, learn English, and go to the back of the line for the opportunity to become citizens.
Work with Mexico
Obama believes we need to do more to promote economic development in Mexico to decrease illegal immigration.
Barack Obama's Record

Crack Down on Employers: Obama championed a proposal to create a system so employers can verify that their employees are legally eligible to work in the U.S.

Posted by: Entropy at February 07, 2008 03:44 PM (m6c4H)

231 Kasper Hauser
Join the rEVOLutiiiiiiiioooooooooooooooon, Kasper.

Posted by: MlR at February 07, 2008 03:44 PM (xrGK0)

232 I had a similar reaction to Phil Gramm's comments in the Washington Post
today. He suggested that McCain's critics are in it as much for their
"ego and power" as their "principles." They're "going to hurt the party
for a long time." Well, look, senator, your team has been saying for
weeks that the critics are big nothings with no followings. You can't
then turn around and appeal for their help on the theory that the fate
of the republic hangs in the balance. Especially when your appeal for
help is couched in insults. I'd like to see McCain in the White House,
and Gramm in his administration, but these comments aren't helping.

Posted by: Laff Jerkin at February 07, 2008 03:45 PM (PLvLS)

233 124 - Word.

137 - Same. When he graduates junior high and learns how to think for himself instead of throwing his head back and drinking the McCain campaign Kool-Aid, then I might be interested. Until then, I'll pass.

Posted by: Basilisk at February 07, 2008 03:45 PM (rwr5K)

234 It's funny nobody here believes him

I believed him when he threatened to leave the party.

OT: the space shuttle is about to launch. Purty.

Posted by: mesablue at February 07, 2008 03:45 PM (KCOdQ)

235 I know what was then, V the K. The fact is, though, that McCain has said that he will now secure the border FIRST. He flipped, if you will.

I'd say that's a good flip, and you can't say with a straight face that McCain is the kind of man who's going to take it back. He's said it over and over and over again, and if he weren't serious about it, he'd not have said it. The dude is obviously not a panderer.

Posted by: Beth at February 07, 2008 03:45 PM (yqiXY)

236 Sorry but if I were at CPAC I would definately boo and heckle McCain.
McAmnesty has no fucking business coming to address conservatives. He is not a conservative by any stretch of the imagination. He's barely a Republican and would abandon the party at the drop of a hat to run with a donk. Fuck him!
Mark Stein said it best this morning Laura's show. McCain is basically a symptom of our country no longer having 2 parties. At best we have 1 and a half parties.

Posted by: burnitup at February 07, 2008 03:46 PM (gyNYk)

237 Great commentaryJeff. Please educate us some more.

Posted by: The Goiter at February 07, 2008 03:46 PM (zdMgK)

238 McCain / Cheney '08. Eight more years of great leadership from the bunker.

Posted by: John McCain at February 07, 2008 03:46 PM (kZT4X)

239 If we tar the GOP with bigotry it will hurt right-wing causes for decades. McCain we can recover from. Huckabee, I'm not so sure.
That said, when CPOS comes around, it'll be McCain doing the tarring, again.

Posted by: MlR at February 07, 2008 03:46 PM (xrGK0)

240 That's right, not a single vote or piece of legislation.

No, but he gave Massachusetts gay marriage! Yay!

Posted by: Beth at February 07, 2008 03:48 PM (yqiXY)

241 Obama is more conservative then McCain on immigration. He did not support McCain's Comprehensive Piece of Shit.

My understanding is that Obama only opposed the CPOS because it actually had some minimal skills-based requirements and relied less on family reunification than the current system. I wasn't aware that he had sponsored the employer verification legislation, however. Thanks.

Maybe there really is no one to the left of McCain on immigration. Except Ted Kennedy. Maybe....

Posted by: Mike Z. at February 07, 2008 03:48 PM (GLMrI)

242 # 242 Beth --- So, why has he indicated he would still sign McCain-Kennedy today if he were president?

Posted by: Laff Jerkin at February 07, 2008 03:49 PM (PLvLS)

243 In fact, if you look at his positions, Barack Obama on the WHOLE seems to be about as conservative as McCain.

I believe that America's free market has been the engine of America's great progress. It's created a prosperity that is the envy of the world. It's led to a standard of living unmatched in history. And it has provided great rewards to the innovators and risk-takers who have made America a beacon for science, and technology, and discoveryWe are all in this together. From CEOs to shareholders, from financiers to factory workers, we all have a stake in each other's success because the more Americans prosper, the more America prospers.
Barack Obama, New York, NY, September 17, 2007
Barack Obama's Plan
Provide Middle Class Americans Tax Relief
Obama will cut income taxes by $1,000 for working families to offset the payroll tax they pay.

Provide a Tax Cut for Working Families: Obama will restore fairness to the tax code and provide 150 million workers the tax relief they need. Obama will create a new "Making Work Pay" tax credit of up to $500 per person, or $1,000 per working family. The "Making Work Pay" tax credit will completely eliminate income taxes for 10 million Americans.
Simplify Tax Filings for Middle Class Americans: Obama will dramatically simplify tax filings so that millions of Americans will be able to do their taxes in less than five minutes. Obama will ensure that the IRS uses the information it already gets from banks and employers to give taxpayers the option of pre-filled tax forms to verify, sign and return. Experts estimate that the Obama proposal will save Americans up to 200 million total hours of work and aggravation and up to $2 billion in tax preparer fees.

Posted by: Entropy at February 07, 2008 03:49 PM (m6c4H)

244 No, but he gave Massachusetts gay marriage! Yay!

McCain: Sure, he'll open the immigration floodgates, but you can trust him on gay marriage! Isn't that what really counts?

Posted by: Mike Z. at February 07, 2008 03:50 PM (GLMrI)

245 About McCain's new found zeal for enforcing the border... Hey John boy what the fuck have you done other than pay lip service? How's the funding for the fence coming ?

He'sattempting getting away with same shit that barry and hill are... You have all of these lofty fucking ideas for fixing the country ... why aren't there bills being sponsered by you being submitted NOW?

Posted by: burnitup at February 07, 2008 03:50 PM (gyNYk)

246 It's on the way; I told the delivery guy to open it and pour it on your head when he gets there.
Sore loser!!! Heh.
I wish I had copied all those comments you wrote to me about how McCain would NEVER get the nomination. But I am NOTabout rubbing those kinds of things in your face. Nope. Not me.
No, I think I'll just take a bath in that champagne if you don't mind.
;-)

Posted by: Rightwingsparkle at February 07, 2008 03:50 PM (kuMY6)

247 And why is Juan "Mexico First" Hernandez still one of McCain's top campaign operatives?

He lied about Mitt's position on the surge, why should we believe him about his own flip-flop?

Posted by: V the K at February 07, 2008 03:51 PM (PLvLS)

248 The dude is obviously not a panderer.


Not to Republicans. The MSM and Democrats on the other hand...

Posted by: a at February 07, 2008 03:51 PM (LHwbh)

249 Obama is more conservative then McCain on immigration. He did not support McCain's Comprehensive Piece of Shit.

Don't make me laugh. And he didn't support the CPOS because he thought it was too hard on the poor widdle illegals.

Go ahead, though. Cast a suicidal vote for Obamessiah, Most Liberal Senator.

Posted by: Beth at February 07, 2008 03:52 PM (yqiXY)

250 Entropy at February 07, 2008 03:44 PM
Thompson's immigrationpolicyretainsconservative steam from leaking to Obama.

Posted by: maverick muse at February 07, 2008 03:53 PM (gXSl2)

251 Not to Republicans. The MSM and Democrats on the other hand...

Okay, so if he's pandering to the MSM and Democrats, wouldn't he NOT go with "secure the border first?"

Posted by: Beth at February 07, 2008 03:54 PM (yqiXY)

252 Ok, if we are gonna start saying that Obama is just like McCain then we have officially jumped theshark in a way only Fonzi could be proud of.

Posted by: Rightwingsparkle at February 07, 2008 03:54 PM (kuMY6)

253 >>No, but he gave Massachusetts gay marriage! Yay!

Absolute bullshit. You really ought to look into the facts before you make a comment like that. You are completely and factually as wrong as you could be. There is probably no elected official in the country who fought harder against gay marriage than Romney. Why do you think excitable Andi hates him so much?

Posted by: JackStraw at February 07, 2008 03:55 PM (t+mja)

254 From reading Ace, there is a regular theme that mocks The Daily Kos for its extremity and childishness (i.e., "More troop-supportin' from those red-white-and-true-blue star-spangled super-patriots of the Daily Kos, the preferred Hate Site of Jet Blue Airlines"), but really, with McCain being tied to anything from ass-rape toabandoning the party to being bipolarto having Graham as a bitch, and commenst such as "I will vote for Satan, Hitler, Zod, or Cthlulu before I sign on to Huckabee,"you could literally excerpt from this thread and make a carbon-copy of an old Ace standard.
Worse, there isa dangerous clubbishness in this echo chamber, where the back-slapping greets every new insanity.
And upon this Kos-like tenor, a new, more emboldened conservatism will emerge?
No. You'll devour each other in a matter of days.

Posted by: Jeff Larkin at February 07, 2008 03:56 PM (5HveT)

255 Okay, so if he's pandering to the MSM and Democrats, wouldn't he NOT go with "secure the border first?"

Because it's a no-cost position. Even Hillary claims she'll secure the border. I suppose you have to believe her because she's a politician and it's an election year promise... just like McCain.

Posted by: V the K at February 07, 2008 03:57 PM (PLvLS)

256 All right, V the K, you win. You don't believe him, fine.

Whatever.

Posted by: Beth at February 07, 2008 03:59 PM (yqiXY)

257 I'll stick with the guy who has said repeatedly on the record that he'll secure the border first, thanks.
Keith Olberman and Helen Thomas will orally service Dick Cheney on a live episode of the O'Reilly Report before McCain secures the border.

Posted by: TiredWench at February 07, 2008 03:59 PM (Kx1hM)

258 Obama and Hillary are to the left of McCain on Amnesty... but not by much. But there are two things that make it less possible for them to get Amnesty 3.0 than McCain.

1. Amnesty is not their signature issue. Given a choice, they'll take socialized health care. That's a better fight for them. Amnesty is, on the other hand, an issue McCain has always been passionate about.

2. Republicans in Congress have more incentive to fight a Clinton/Obama Amnesty proposal than a McCain proposal.

Posted by: V the K at February 07, 2008 03:59 PM (PLvLS)

259 For the record, "you win" doesn't mean you're right.

Posted by: Beth at February 07, 2008 04:00 PM (yqiXY)

260 #126 --
Compare
and contrast

I could hold you up to my ear, and actually hear the fucking ocean roar.
"Contrast" that.

Posted by: Kent at February 07, 2008 04:01 PM (yhL2J)

261 Cast a suicidal vote for Obamessiah, Most Liberal Senator.
When exactly did John Kerry come to the right? Wasn't he the most liberal senator 4 years ago? Funny how the GOP fear machine pushes the buttons and folks start spouting off abou the current opponent being the "most liberal".
Why just vote for the half assed liberal like McCain when one can go whole hog?

Posted by: burnitup at February 07, 2008 04:02 PM (gyNYk)

262 No. You'll devour each other in a matter of days.

Funny, I've been hear for a few years and the only thing I've seen devoured are a few idiotic trolls.

Most people get along here fairly well. No bannings, no disappearing comments -- a daily occurrence at DKos.

If everyone here agreed one hundred per cent -- there'd be no point in even coming here. How boring.


Posted by: mesablue at February 07, 2008 04:03 PM (KCOdQ)

263 Beth isa blog goddess.
Show some respect.

Posted by: Rightwingsparkle at February 07, 2008 04:03 PM (kuMY6)

264 If McCain sponsors the SAVE Act in the Senate and fights for it as passionately as he fought for McCain-Kennedy, he will demonstrate to me that he has come around on border security.

Posted by: V the K at February 07, 2008 04:04 PM (PLvLS)

265 Mesa
I'm pleased that this is a nice place. I was speaking a little beyond the cocktail party politics.

Posted by: Jeff Larkin at February 07, 2008 04:04 PM (5HveT)

266 McCain is going to speak at CPAC soon.
Can't wait to see what he says and what you guys think about it.

Posted by: Rightwingsparkle at February 07, 2008 04:04 PM (kuMY6)

267 *hear*=here.

Stupid fingers. Actually, stupid laptop and fingers. Had to go back to using my old laptop and my fingers can't find the keys.

Posted by: mesablue at February 07, 2008 04:04 PM (KCOdQ)

268 JackStraw, you bastard, you stole my plan! Although my age (not to mention a vicious wife) would probably preclude the supermodels.

Posted by: Mikeylaw at February 07, 2008 04:05 PM (yrptY)

269 Here you go Beth. I hate to say but you really are annoying.

I don't hate to say that I really don't give a shit if you think I'm annoying. It still doesn't mean you're right. The MA supreme court ENABLED gay marriage but didn't enact it, and Romney put it into place. All by himself.
Why do you think the Huckabots hate him so much? That's a big reason for it. Or do you just not read anything besides that with which you agree?

Posted by: Beth at February 07, 2008 04:06 PM (yqiXY)

270 When exactly did John Kerry come to the right? Wasn't he the most liberal senator 4 years ago? Funny how the GOP fear machine pushes the buttons and folks start spouting off abou the current opponent being the "most liberal".
But, but, burnitup ..... the country literally won't survive a democrat electoral victory!
Nancy Pelosi took the house and look how horrible she's fucked our country up! We have...a slightly higher minimum wage, and uh....uh...yeah...minimum wage...
This astronomical minimum wage is wrecking our economy!

Posted by: Entropy at February 07, 2008 04:06 PM (m6c4H)

271 burnitup,
Fear machine? Obama was voted the most liberal Senator by National Journal magazine based on 99 key votes.He ranked 10th his first year.

Posted by: Rightwingsparkle at February 07, 2008 04:07 PM (kuMY6)

272 Setting asidehe merely claimed he'd have the governors (some footdragging Democrats) certify they were secure, and then implied he'd sign the same CPOS that did no such thingtoday, 1/4th of illegals arrive here by airplane. The core of the problem is the fucking employers, benefits, and birthright citizenship - something regarding which Mr. "I know more about immigration than everyone else, so fuck you" is still clueless.
Besides, everyone knows that he's a Compassionate Conservative clone when it comes to the issue. He's demagogued just about every single serious proposal. There's no way this guy's going to turn on a dime and do everything that all the bigots want. Krikorian's right, he's a multiculturalist do-gooderto the core.
You can't even get him to straightfoward promise shit even when he's running for the Republican nomination.

Posted by: MlR at February 07, 2008 04:07 PM (xrGK0)

273 When exactly did John Kerry come to the right? Wasn't he the most liberal senator 4 years ago?

Yeah, and the National Journal just last week listed Obama as the most liberal in their ratings. Obama wasn't in the picture then, remember?

Posted by: Beth at February 07, 2008 04:08 PM (yqiXY)

274 But, but, burnitup ..... the country literally won't survive a democrat electoral victory!

It is kind of funny how McCainiac "America is doomed" rhetoric echoes RuPaulian "America is doomed" rhetoric.

Posted by: V the K at February 07, 2008 04:09 PM (PLvLS)

275 Heh, problems on C-SPAN just as McCain is being introduced.

Coincidence?

Posted by: mesablue at February 07, 2008 04:11 PM (KCOdQ)

276 Coincidence?

I question the timing. :-P

Posted by: Beth at February 07, 2008 04:11 PM (yqiXY)

277 >>I don't hate to say that I really don't give a shit if you think I'm annoying. It still doesn't mean you're right. The MA supreme court ENABLED gay marriage but didn't enact it, and Romney put it into place. All by himself.

Buzz! Thanks for playing, Johnny what lovely consolation prizes do we have for Beth?

>>Why do you think the Huckabots hate him so much? That's a big reason for it. Or do you just not read anything besides that with which you agree?

Because a good number of them are ignorant of the facts and believe bullshit told to them by Jesus' own man in the pulpit. Some seem to be resistant to facts and evidence if you can imagine that.

Well I was there and I don't need to read about it. You can keep saying, as you have over and over, that Romney implemented gay marriage on his own but you are only demonstrating ignorance of the facts or law. Either way, you are flat wrong.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 07, 2008 04:11 PM (t+mja)

278 Yeah, and the National Journal just last week listed Obama as the most liberal in their ratings.
Not because, you know, he was running or anything. No. That most absolutely does certainly NOT illustrate burnitup's point for him.
Nothing to see here, move along...continue lying about Romney's support of gay marriage.

Posted by: Entropy at February 07, 2008 04:13 PM (m6c4H)

279 McCainiac "America is doomed" rhetoric

Sorry? Where did you hear that?

All I've heard is "America is doomed" because McCain was the presumptive nominee.

Posted by: Beth at February 07, 2008 04:13 PM (yqiXY)

280
Do you think McDouchenozzle will support gay marriage between illegal aliens in MA to get their vote? I want to see that acrobatic flip. His old balls will hit the floor attempting that maneuver.

Posted by: Hello my name is Fidel & I'll be your server this evening at February 07, 2008 04:15 PM (iYbLN)

281 "...we all have a stake in each other's success..."
When Barack Obama says "we all have a stake in each other's success," I do not think it means what you think it means. When that tripe falls out of his mouth, I hear "I'm coming for more of your money."

Posted by: Larry Craig at February 07, 2008 04:17 PM (GFaLW)

282 Tom Coburn is introducing McCain and doing a good job of it.

Posted by: Rightwingsparkle at February 07, 2008 04:18 PM (kuMY6)

283 Some people just crack me up. I'm supposed to believe campaign promises that directly contradict prior actions? Sorry, I'm not that stupid. Anyone with half a brain knows campaign promises are utterly worthless. Sure, some of them are going to translate into policy, but those will be the ones that mesh with prior actions and the practical politics of working with Congress. McCain promising border security is a much bigger joke than Bush I's no new taxes pledge, simply because it's so completely unbelievable.
And using the other side as a boogeyman is just as bad. Hillary is so politically toxic that it would surprise me if she managed to accomplish anything should she be elected. Obama would take four years just to figure out what the hell he's supposed to do next. McCain on the other hand, is much more likely to 'reach across the aisle' and do some real damage. So please, spare me the boogeyman talk as well.

Posted by: Hermit Dave at February 07, 2008 04:18 PM (Tk5HT)

284 Why do you think the Huckabots hate him so much?

Antipathy of Southerners toward Mormon Folk has a long and storied history. They did, after all, go all genocide on us back in 1838.

Posted by: V the K at February 07, 2008 04:19 PM (PLvLS)

285 Coburn's a fellow-traveling, bipolar lib looking for an ass-raping from McCain.

Posted by: Jeff Larkin at February 07, 2008 04:19 PM (5HveT)

286 continue lying about Romney's support of gay marriage.

Entropy, fuck you. I do not lie, and lying on the internets? What's the fucking point?

I didn't say Romney supports gay marriage now. He certainly did so before he decided to run for President, though. Just two years ago, Human Events called him #8 RINO because of that and other reasons. Then he decided to run for President, and changed his mind on all sorts of things.

Posted by: Beth at February 07, 2008 04:22 PM (yqiXY)

287 Here he comes! Let's listen!

Posted by: Rightwingsparkle at February 07, 2008 04:22 PM (kuMY6)

288 Response to Beth #287:

===================================================
McCain doesn't back some issues dear to conservatives, and he's got a big mouth. But right now he's the only thing standing between us and Armageddon. I'm not kidding. Four (more likely eight) years of Hillary or Obama appeasing Iran when not actually aiding them, and we're going to be faced with a nuclear-armed terrorist state in control of the Persian Gulf. We're going to see a new Holocaust in Israel. When the oilfields burn we're going to see economic chaos worse than anything since the Black Death.

You know what I think about illegal immigration? SCREW illegal immigration. Screw campaign finance reform. Screw whatever minute deviations from some imaginary Reaganite orthodoxy you guys are obsessing about. The ONLY issue is keeping America safe, which means the ONLY issue is keeping the Democrats out of the White House.

We can survive four or eight years of squishy-liberal Republican government. We literally will not survive a Democrat administration.

Posted by: Trimegistus at February 07, 2008 10:38 AM (Nw96V)
==================================================

Posted by: V the K at February 07, 2008 04:22 PM (PLvLS)

289 Hey, check it out - she lied again.
Even her own link doesn't say Romney supported gay marriage.
No wonder she loves McCain. Straight Talk.

Posted by: Entropy at February 07, 2008 04:23 PM (m6c4H)

290 Lots of cheers for McCain at CPAC.

Hard to tell if there are a few jeers mixed in.

Hmm, a few, but not many.

Posted by: mesablue at February 07, 2008 04:24 PM (KCOdQ)

291 Antipathy of Southerners toward Mormon Folk has a long and storied history.

O RLY? That's funny, I'm a Southerner and I haven't seen or heard any Southerners in real life have anti-Mormon antipathy.
You sound like Hewitt, attributing Romney's losses to bigotry. It's crap. Romney is just NOT believable.

Posted by: Beth at February 07, 2008 04:25 PM (yqiXY)

292 For that matter, describe votes against McAmnesty as "suicidal" is also very Paulian and doomy.

Posted by: V the K at February 07, 2008 04:25 PM (PLvLS)

293 McCain -- "Huckabee is a funny guy."

Posted by: mesablue at February 07, 2008 04:26 PM (KCOdQ)

294 Um, beth, my next door neighbor is a southern baptist minister... and every so often he leaves tracts on my porch telling me I belong to a cult and I'm going to hell. Wasn't Huckabee also a Baptist Minister?

Posted by: V the K at February 07, 2008 04:27 PM (PLvLS)

295
Posted by: V the K at February 07, 2008 04:22 PM (PLvLS)

Okay, I missed that. I can't account for everyone, but you cannot deny that quite a few people are screaming here and at other blogs about the end of the world with McCain as the nominee.

Posted by: Beth at February 07, 2008 04:27 PM (yqiXY)

296 I'm not kidding. Four (more likely eight) years of Hillary or Obama appeasing Iran when not actually aiding them, and we're going to be faced with a nuclear-armed terrorist state in control of the Persian Gulf. We're going to see a new Holocaust in Israel. When the oilfields burn we're going to see economic chaos worse than anything since the Black Death.
Hewould have fit right in during the Black Death.Just needsa sandwich board and a bell.
The hour of judgement is upon us! Repent! Repent! The end is nigh!

Posted by: Entropy at February 07, 2008 04:27 PM (m6c4H)

297 197 - Unfortunately, Huckabee justifies many non-believers' stereotypes about evangelicals. I've known for a long time that Huckabee's been committing the sin of leading people away from God, and there's a special punishment for people like him.

Unfortunately, too, the McCain/Huckabee ticket is not only possible, it's very much likely, no matter how much the McCainiacs pray it isn't so. Let's face it: for every blogger who says Huckabee on the ticket would be the deal-breaker, there's at least several church-basement-dwellers who otherwise wouldn't emerge to vote for McCain, if for no other reason than Huckabee is a social conservative.

225 - Key difference here is that Republicans had no problem fighting a POTUS from the other side of the aisle. With a Republican, they'll be hearing the same thing people who refuse to vote for McCain are hearing now: "Shut up and toe the party line, bitches!" That's why I believe a Democrat in office would, ironically, be better at this point. 'Pubs won't have a problem fighting Hillary. They'll be cowed into bending over and taking it from McCain. Whig juncture, indeed.

235 - A McCain/Thompson ticket would be the only way I'd ever hold my nose and vote for him. However, I put my odds of wining the Virginia lottery as slightly better.

Posted by: Basilisk at February 07, 2008 04:27 PM (rwr5K)

298 polynikes
From the crafter of "is a douche covered douche with douche filling served on a pile of douche" . . . well, I'll just have to learnto live with your harsh judgment of my comedic skill.

Posted by: Jeff Larkin at February 07, 2008 04:29 PM (5HveT)

299 V the K, I didn't say NO Southerners are anti-Mormon. Quit reading what you want to see into my comments. Sure, some are, but it's not a Southern thing--it's a Baptist thing. Some also consider Catholics pagans. And guess what? We have Catholics in the South, too.

I've seen far more anti-Mormon bigotry from stupid liberal elitists than I've seen from anyone, anyway, and I've DEFENDED Romney on that point, even though I didn't support his candidacy. Repeatedly.

Posted by: Beth at February 07, 2008 04:30 PM (yqiXY)

300 McCain -- "I'm a mainstream conservative."

Whatever that means.

Posted by: mesablue at February 07, 2008 04:31 PM (KCOdQ)

301 You are all babies who are just trying to soothe your egos. Pragmatists know that sometimes you have to take both the cock AND balls in your mouth.
So what are you sissies afraid of? A few strech marks around your pretty mouths?

Posted by: Internet Tuffguy for McCain at February 07, 2008 04:32 PM (QoR4a)

302 And V the K, I suppose next you'll say Southerners are all racists, too. I mean, what's the difference? Bigots are bigots.

Posted by: Beth at February 07, 2008 04:33 PM (yqiXY)

303 Huckabee's robo-calls weren't about race.

Posted by: V the K at February 07, 2008 04:34 PM (PLvLS)

304 oh, they booed him on his line "you won't let me forget it"

Posted by: Rightwingsparkle at February 07, 2008 04:34 PM (kuMY6)

305 Loud jeers as McCain starts to bring up illegal immigration.


Posted by: mesablue at February 07, 2008 04:35 PM (KCOdQ)

306 To his credit, he handled it well.

Posted by: Slublog at February 07, 2008 04:37 PM (R8+nJ)

307 He's making Joe Lieberman so happy.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 07, 2008 04:37 PM (t+mja)

308 Look, you know that wasn't Huckabee--that was his supporters. I don't deny that there was anti-Mormon sentiment in his supporters, not at all. But that isn't ALL of the reason why they don't like Romney at all. Furthermore, I resent the implication that "Southerners" are anti-Mormon just as much as I resent accusations (from other people in other situations) that we're all racists. It simply isn't the truth.

Posted by: Beth at February 07, 2008 04:37 PM (yqiXY)

309 No, he made a good case about illegal immigration. He said "secure the boreders first" twice and they cheered.

Posted by: Rightwingsparkle at February 07, 2008 04:37 PM (kuMY6)

310 Look, all you piss-pants. It's not about YOU and your precious feelings. It's about my one opportunity to take center stage in the comment section of a blog.

Posted by: Internet Tuffguy for McCain at February 07, 2008 04:38 PM (QoR4a)

311 And V the K, I suppose next you'll say Southerners are all racists, too. I mean, what's the difference? Bigots are bigots.

You've taken your swipes accusing immigration opponents of bigotry before.

Posted by: Mike Z. at February 07, 2008 04:38 PM (GLMrI)

312 303 - I knew there was a reason I left the Southern Baptist convention! Well, another reason, anyway. There are just so many to choose from.

Yeah, bring people to Jesus by telling them if they don't they'll go to Hell! Real effective. Works much better than, you know, inviting them in for coffee, asking them about their beliefs, reading the Bible together, praying for them, being an actual friend...none of that works nearly as well than hitting them over the head with a (closed) Bible. *sigh*


Posted by: Basilisk at February 07, 2008 04:39 PM (rwr5K)

313 McCain -- "I won't sign a bill with ANY earmarks in it."


Posted by: mesablue at February 07, 2008 04:40 PM (KCOdQ)

314 Make the tax cuts permanent.
Music to my ears.

Posted by: Rightwingsparkle at February 07, 2008 04:41 PM (kuMY6)

315 I resent accusations (from other people in other situations) that we're all racists.
You resent them so much, you'll vote for them.
Voting is the highest display of resentment - Stuff Thomas Jefferson Said, Vol. 6

Posted by: Entropy at February 07, 2008 04:41 PM (m6c4H)

316 We can all stop arguing about Romney now. He's not running anymore.

Posted by: Fred at February 07, 2008 04:41 PM (KoYTi)

317 You've taken your swipes accusing immigration opponents of bigotry before.

Damn right I have, on SOME immigration opponents. I'll always take swipes at bigots, and make no apologies for it.
Some of the opponents ARE bigots, and to deny it either means you aren't reading anything except this blog, or you don't recognize it when it's there (it's not here).

Posted by: Beth at February 07, 2008 04:41 PM (yqiXY)

318 Those Bush tax cuts that he voted against and said only benefited the rich?

Posted by: Fred at February 07, 2008 04:42 PM (KoYTi)

319 Fred,
He VOTED FOR the tax cuts in 2006.

Posted by: Rightwingsparkle at February 07, 2008 04:44 PM (kuMY6)

320 He promised to secure the borders, but he wouldn't elaborate on what that is supposed to mean and he wouldn't tell us whether or not he'll support an amnesty or guest worker program. He offered nothing substantive on the issue. I want some details.

Posted by: Mike Z. at February 07, 2008 04:44 PM (GLMrI)

321 You resent them so much, you'll vote for them.

Nobody called me a racist, sorry. Guilty conscience? Strange. I didn't take you for a racist. Nor, I believe, did McCain. But keep on denying that racist element is mixed into the debate and thinking he meant all anti-illegal activists.

Posted by: Beth at February 07, 2008 04:44 PM (yqiXY)

322 Crowd yelling "John McCain John McCain"

I love it.

Posted by: Beth at February 07, 2008 04:45 PM (yqiXY)

323 after he voted against them?
Whatever.

Posted by: Fred at February 07, 2008 04:46 PM (KoYTi)

324 They did a good job of stacking the room with McCainiacs.

Posted by: mesablue at February 07, 2008 04:47 PM (KCOdQ)

325 He did, Fred.

Posted by: Beth at February 07, 2008 04:47 PM (yqiXY)

326 if He is convinced he is in error he will change his position.
Now, that is an interesting thing to say.

Posted by: Rightwingsparkle at February 07, 2008 04:47 PM (kuMY6)

327 if He is convinced he is in error he will change his position.

Heh. Better late than never, right?

(sorry, couldn't resist that one)

Posted by: Slublog at February 07, 2008 04:48 PM (R8+nJ)

328 Beth-

I don't have anything as weighty as Human Events magazine to contradict you with so I'll have to settle for ruling from the Massachusetts Supreme Court on the issue of gay marriage. You can run this by any constitutional lawyer you want but the fact is the court legislated from the bench. They interpreted the state constitution to mean that marriage was between two people, any two people, and order that Superior Court rulings be vacated. Romney did the only thing he could, he fought like hell to get the legislature to vote on this and/or put it to a public vote. The overwhelmingly liberal Democratic legislature refused.

Now you can continue to say that Romney brought gay marriage to the country. You will never be correct and you are sliming a good man much as McCain did when he flat out lied about Romney and the timetable bullshit. If you have any hope of recruiting people to McCain you would do well to stop lying about the record of the man who demonstrated so much class today.

Decision of the MA Supreme Court:

>>>We construe civil marriage to mean the voluntary union of two persons as spouses, to the exclusion of all others. This reformulation redresses the plaintiffs' constitutional injury and furthers the aim of marriage to promote stable, exclusive relationships. It advances the two legitimate State interests the department has identified: providing a stable setting for child rearing and conserving State resources. It leaves intact the Legislature's broad discretion to regulate marriage.

>>>In their complaint the plaintiffs request only a declaration that their exclusion and the exclusion of other qualified same-sex couples from access to civil marriage violates Massachusetts law. We declare that barring an individual from the protections, benefits, and obligations of civil marriage solely because that person would marry a person of the same sex violates the Massachusetts Constitution. We vacate the summary judgment for the department. We remand this case to the Superior Court for entry of judgment consistent with this opinion. Entry of judgment shall be stayed for 180 days to permit the Legislature to take such action as it may deem appropriate in light of this opinion.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 07, 2008 04:48 PM (t+mja)

329 They did a good job of stacking the room with McCainiacs.
Of course, that's how it goes. Behold the new face of 'Conservatism'.
Have fun with that.

Posted by: Entropy at February 07, 2008 04:49 PM (m6c4H)

330 Excellent speech.

Posted by: Beth at February 07, 2008 04:49 PM (yqiXY)

331 McCain ended that well. You have to admit guys.

Posted by: Rightwingsparkle at February 07, 2008 04:49 PM (kuMY6)

332 Damn right I have, on SOME immigration opponents. I'll always take swipes at bigots, and make no apologies for it. Some
of the opponents ARE bigots, and to deny it either means you aren't
reading anything except this blog, or you don't recognize it when it's
there (it's not here).

If you missed the anti-Mormon bigotry of many evangelical Christians, I don't know where you've been. I lived in Texas and about the nicest thing I ever heard a born-again type say about Mormons was that they were "weird."

Posted by: Mike Z. at February 07, 2008 04:50 PM (GLMrI)

333 It was an "OK" speech. Nothing great.

If there was a moment to hit a home run, this was it. It didn't happen.

I'll vote for the guy, but I think it's going to take a lot more to convince the large chunk of conservative voters who feel McCain has betrayed the cause too many times.


Posted by: mesablue at February 07, 2008 04:53 PM (KCOdQ)

334 JackStraw, if you actually believe I'm only relying on a Top 10 list from Human Events, I laugh.

I stg, you guys are acting like this is a Morons vs. Moonbats argument. Nevermind we were all on the same side two weeks ago. We were all well-informed, until those of us who support McCain suddenly got stupid. LOL.

Posted by: Beth at February 07, 2008 04:53 PM (yqiXY)

335 If you missed the anti-Mormon bigotry of many evangelical Christians,

I didn't miss it. In fact, I said I defended Romney when I saw it. My complaint was about VtheK saying it's a Southern thing, and the implication that Hucksters didn't support Romney ONLY because he's a Mormon. It simply isn't factual.

Posted by: Beth at February 07, 2008 04:56 PM (yqiXY)

336 343 - damn straight.

Posted by: davis,br at February 07, 2008 05:00 PM (q4usA)

337 And for the record? I don't even agree with the Hucksters on gay marriage. I just don't give a damn about it one way or another. It's not why I didn't support Romney.

Posted by: Beth at February 07, 2008 05:01 PM (yqiXY)

338 Beth, you have repeatedly used the same tired talking points about Romney supporting gay marriage on this thread and others. You either seem compelled to do it because you don't know the facts or don't think others of us do on top of the fact Romeny had the class to leave the race today giving your boy an open path to the nomination. I have a loit of respect for Romney and just because he left the race I'm not going to stop setting his record straight.
One of the biggest complaints many have of McCain is that he is dishonest and petulant and would rather slam his "friends" than his opponents and just refuses to admit he was wrong. You are demonstrating the same traits at a time when you need to build some bridges. I gave you the court decision proving that what you have been saying is wrong. If you continue to insist against the facts that Romney supported something he demonstrably didn't well then I feel like I am arguing with a moonbat.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 07, 2008 05:03 PM (t+mja)

339 Hey, I'm a Southern Baptist, and I have never hit anyone with a Bible. Well, maybe the small New Testament version, but never a whole Bible. I actually had made up my mind to vote for Romney, after Fred! quit.
But one thing is for sure, all of you are going to Hell, except for Entropy (doesn't believe there is one?), or Ace, or maybe JackStraw, or RWS (who, like me, already lives in the hell that is Texas in August) or... Crap, I have no idea who is or isn't going to Hell. But I ain't voting for McCain. Maybe.

Posted by: Mikeylaw at February 07, 2008 05:05 PM (yrptY)

340 V the K, you promise I'll get all four Horsemen riding at once if the Dems win?
Tempting for a guy like me. Pleased to meet you, won't you guess my name?

Posted by: SGT Dan at February 07, 2008 05:09 PM (jCQ+I)

341 RWS, I've got a question for you, since you've followed McCain and seem to have your finger on the pulse of what's going on with him: why are you so convinced he'll select a hard-core conservative as his running mate? I kind of thought that McCain in the primaries is as conservative as he'll ever get and that's it's a hard tack left from the nomination on out.

I'm asking because Lord knows I have no idea what to expect when it comes to McCain. I said - emphatically - last fall that he was dead in the water due to Shamnesty (and then proceeded to ignore him from there), back when I thought immigration would be one of the Top Three issues in the '08 election. Obviously I didn't know what the hell I was talking about.

Posted by: Redhead Infidel at February 07, 2008 05:09 PM (9pUdX)

342 I think it's going to take a lot more to convince thelarge chunk of conservative voters who feel McCain has betrayed the cause too many times.
He won't. He's not at all interested.

Posted by: Dave in Texas at February 07, 2008 05:12 PM (pzen5)

343 I, for one, welcome our newPresident Obama. Down with the rich. Death to America!

Posted by: adolfo_velasquez at February 07, 2008 05:15 PM (bGKtN)

344 351 - I'd like to know as well.

Seriously, McCain supporters*. I'm asking in earnest, no sarcasm or derision here. I really would like to know what reasons you have for supporting McCain. How do you square what he says now in spite of his past record and deliberate efforts to groom himself to be 'the Maverick'?

*- Not a question for those of you who are holding your nose to vote for him. This is for the people who are enthusiastically voting for him.

Posted by: Basilisk at February 07, 2008 05:19 PM (rwr5K)

345
RWS, I've got a question for you, since you've followed McCain and seem
to have your finger on the pulse of what's going on with him . . .

More like up his ass and massaging his prostate.

Posted by: dlm at February 07, 2008 05:25 PM (CrtPW)

346 Even though I despise the man and won't be voting for him, all the 'McCain gets creamed in the general' stuff sounds like sour grapes. It's still very unclear what's going to happen in the Dem primary (I'm seeing about an equal number of definitely Obama and definitely Hillary posts), and they have their own alienation issues to deal with.
The biggest point in the Dem's favor is the MSM doing a 180 on McCain, which is very likely to happen. However, I still think it's much too early topredict thatMcCain is simply going to get obliterated in the general.

Posted by: Hermit Dave at February 07, 2008 05:26 PM (Tk5HT)

347 It's still very unclear what's going to happen in the Dem primary (I'm
seeing about an equal number of definitely Obama and definitely Hillary
posts), and they have their own alienation issues to deal with.

I think what's going to happen in the Democratic primary is that Obama will be slightly ahead in delegates, but Hillary will crush him and capture the nomination with superdelegates. It's her style.

Posted by: Slublog at February 07, 2008 05:27 PM (R8+nJ)

348 Hey Beth,
As a jew who has to visit Arkansas on occasion to visit my in-laws who retired there from California (God knows why) I can tell you I have been continually hit over the head with bibles down South. I admit some are open minded but most are closed minded bores who like to say to me "Are you one of those cheap Joooooss?" That actually happened, no lie.Most of these people have told me to my face that I'm going to hell for not accepting ole JC as my lord and savior. Go figure. Ya gotta love the south. Mint Jooooooooolip anyone? So what faith are you Beth? Bet you aren't a jew, or mormon or any of those offensive religions. Don't speak about something you know nothing about unless you've experienced the bigotry first hand. I have from the time I was a child even through this so called enlighted time of ours.

Posted by: Hello my name is Fidel & I'll be your server this evening at February 07, 2008 05:29 PM (iYbLN)

349 For the record, "you win" doesn't mean you're right.
Indeed.

Posted by: toby928 at February 07, 2008 05:31 PM (evdj2)

350 For the record, "you win" doesn't mean you're right.
Indeed.

ZING!

Posted by: Fred at February 07, 2008 05:38 PM (KoYTi)

351 Nevermind we were all on the same side two weeks
ago. We were all well-informed, until those of us who support McCain
suddenly got stupid. LOL.

Posted by: Beth at February 07, 2008 04:53 PM (yqiXY)

That goes both ways, too, Beth. Those of us that don't support McCain shouldn't all of a sudden be idiots, insane, or betrayers of the troops - when we were all on the same side a few weeks ago.

Posted by: Redhead Infidel at February 07, 2008 05:41 PM (9pUdX)

352 Ever looking for silver linings, maybe if McCain wins in the general he'll surprise us.
As many have pointed out, most of McCain's "maverick" and non-conservative positions have come recently, and began about 7 or 8 years ago - when he first began his pursuit of the presidency. Maybe he took those positions because he thought they were generically most popular and would better position himself to run for president.
Winning the presidency, and there being no higher office available,would relieve him of adhering to these political calculations. Maybe he would be more conservative as a president than as a candidate.
Or that's what I'll mumble to myself after draining my bottle of Wild Turkey.

Posted by: angler at February 07, 2008 05:41 PM (kSuu1)

353 I think what's going to happen in the Democratic primary is that Obama will be slightly ahead in delegates, but Hillary will crush him and capture the nomination with superdelegates. It's her style.
While I agree that this is most likely, it's not a given.No matter how it plays outit'salso going to piss a lot of people off. The standard answer there is that they'll mostly fall in line anyway, but that's also largely going to happen for McCain.
So for the general, Magic 8 Ball says "Ask again later".

Posted by: Hermit Dave at February 07, 2008 05:41 PM (Tk5HT)

354 Jeff Larkin:
Worse, there is a dangerous clubbishness in this echo chamber, where the back-slapping greets every new insanity.

Then go somewhere else. Jeez, your "you suck, I'm better than you all" posts are getting old.

Posted by: sandy burger at February 07, 2008 05:57 PM (Cpse7)

355 Hmm. I bet ace isn't even trying to hook up at CPAC. He's probably in the corner somewhere talking about Firefly with some other nerd.

Posted by: runninrebel at February 07, 2008 06:02 PM (0n9wc)

356 Even though I despise the man and won't be voting for him

Ha. I despise the man and I will be voting for him.

all the 'McCain gets creamed in the general' stuff sounds like sour grapes.

Yeah, there's probably plenty of that. But on the other hand, it's also just the same tea leaf reading that any election prediction is. Personally, I believe that unless the Democrats defeat themselves (which they just might do), then they're taking the whitehouse. And I think that would be true with pretty much any of the other Republican nominees, too (even my favorite, Fred). We will see.

Whatever. We can weather it. I just hope they don't set back health care too far...

Posted by: sandy burger at February 07, 2008 06:07 PM (K2rlS)

357 Running for Vice President, he is.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 07, 2008 06:18 PM (hfyfI)

358 "is a douche covered douche with douche filling served on a pile of douche"

polynikes, that's one of yours?

I've always loved that one. If I were a poet like Jack M, I'd work it into one of my odes or sonnets or whatnot.
*******
is a douche covered
douche with douche filling served on
a pile of douche
*******
just one syllable shy of a(n) Haiku.

I know:
*******
is a douche covered
douche with douche filling serv-ed
on a pile of douche
*******
like they do in hymns to make the meter fit.

Nothing like it over at the kos.

Posted by: notropis at February 07, 2008 06:24 PM (ef0n9)

359 Beth, I know you've already conceded that some southerneres are bigoted against Mormons, but I really doubt you have more than a vague feeling for it. I encourage you to go on a field experiment. Look up The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints in the white pages. The local Bishop will be in there and the Missionaries may be as well. Arrange to spend an afternoon tracting with the sister missionaries. Failing that, take a male friend and visit with the male Missionaries as they go door-to-door (Elders aren't allowed to be alone with a lone female). I think you'll be very surprised at theway those fine young women or men are treated.

Posted by: bonhomme at February 07, 2008 06:24 PM (pKBEW)

360 Slightly off topic, but has anyone read Hewitt's latest purple prose rim-job for Mitt? My.Sweet.Lord.
Honestly. I mean...words fail.

Posted by: Fred at February 07, 2008 06:26 PM (KoYTi)

361 Beth: Clearly Huckabee did bring out the Mormon hate. You can't deny it.

Posted by: Sam at February 07, 2008 06:34 PM (ESiy4)

362
V the K, you promise I'll get all four Horsemen riding at once if the Dems win?
I do know of people who are hoping that Hillary will win and bring on the end times.


I head the speech. A campaign speech doesn't erase 12 years of betrayals and screw-overs in my mind, but apparently it fooled some of the people, some of the time.

Posted by: V the K at February 07, 2008 06:38 PM (/0sRQ)

363 Slightly off topic, but has anyone read Hewitt's latest purple prose rim-job for Mitt?
I stopped reading Hewitt ages ago, once I realized he was a completeestablishment hack.
I do know of people who are hoping that Hillary will win and bring on the end times.
Hillary is so divisive I seriously doubt she'd be able to get much of anything accomplished during her administration. In some respects she's preferable to McCain for that reason, as others have pointed out. Not that I'm going to vote for her lying ass either.

Posted by: Hermit Dave at February 07, 2008 06:59 PM (Tk5HT)

364 The irony of GOPs supposedly being the better educated is beyond the Republican unwillingness to broker. The irony is that despite their expensive educations, the Republican are unskilled and unable to effectively broker even considering that brokering is the only way to unite, following differentiations and re-evaluations of all involved. As is, the only GOP in good party standing is a subserviant numb-brain yes-man. Bush sold out the GOP to the media for his ultimate goal to divide and conquer, divide his citizens in order to conquer this hemisphere.
As the GOP was initiated on the basis to destroy subserviance coerced by slavery and polygamy, it has completed its life cycle running its course by returning to its point of origin, though now coercing submission, no longer the liberator with ideals. So the official GOP premise would have it be. The GOP heirarchy as is will lose because it has sold itself to be the Democrat Party. With reins in the media hands, dont believe that conservatives are obsolete! Do not give up the ghost because the media said you died.
The only way to win is to be true to yourself; therein lies your strength. Time for regeneration because Ideals do remain popular. Presentation influences success, no doubt, but conservative ideals do remain popular as evidenced by radio audiences, top ten book sales, and blog participation.
Liberation from oppression is a universally popular ideal.No one wants to pay higher taxes.No one wants an inefficent government.Everyone wants to pay lower taxes and to be protected.
Lower taxes. Higher security.
The GOP can coerce McCain into utilizing very effective means to achieving successful conservative accomplishments.
VP conservative Fred Thompson will balance liberal McCain. There is no way that McCain could FORCE the GOP to put Independent Lieberman on the GOP ticket. The GOP ticket remains the possession of the Republican Party, not the Maverick usurper. Fred Thompson will provide conservative leadership in Congress as the VP through his successful leadership negotiating with liberals while protecting conservative core interests. Furthermore, Fred Thompson is probably the only Republican friend that McCain has, invaluable in keeping McCain sane under the pressures to come. Not only would McCain benefit immensely with Thompson at his side, conservatives would benefit with Thompsons voice of reason.
McCain would do well to hire Mitt Romney to pave the media blitz for a GOP victory. Mitt Romney as GOP Chairman would work miracles for the conservative movement. Not only would Romney benefit the GOP through his professionalism in fundraising and successful advertising propaganda techniques, but Romneys political strength would benefit in turn for each accomplishment he institutes. Given the mature ages of McCain/Thompson, Romneys prominence and successful direction of the GOP would insure his nomination subsequent to this election. If indeed McCain proves himself a great president, then he has nothing to fear in healthy competition for re-election. Start with this years victory, though.
Huckabees original dream was to be a broadcasting spokesman. With his national campaign this year, his career opportunities are broad and fertile amongst Evangelicals. They will want him to be their spokesman in Washington, and would likely pay him to lobby. He could easily negotiate a radio deal around D.C. to remain a mover and a shaker for his Evangelicals. Perhaps he can get an appointment to chaplain Congress or serve a contingency at the National Cathedral. His persistence is not to be dismissed off hand. He would broaden his base if he were to effectively direct FEMA and national charity efforts abroad.
Ron Paul will do best for his cause at his current position. That so many supported his determination to cut government spending and involvement is NOTHING to insult.
I pity the joint chiefs and secretary of defense with McCain who will insist on ignoring any advice. But time will tell soon enough.

Posted by: maverick muse at February 07, 2008 07:13 PM (gXSl2)

365 MavMuse-
Lengthy, but good. Thanks for your insights on that. I need to digest that andform my own opinions on it, butit looks pretty good.
tmi3rd

Posted by: tmi3rd at February 07, 2008 07:17 PM (j0gzJ)

366 tmi3rd, thank you.
Republicans Unite.

Posted by: maverick muse at February 07, 2008 07:21 PM (gXSl2)

367 I think at this point my electoral preferences in descending order are...

Norm McDonald
Hillary Clinton
An inanimate carbon rod
Barack Obama
A clump of Peat Moss
A swift kick in the nuts
Cthulu
John McCain
A brutal genocidal alien overlord
Mahmoud Ahmedinejad
Ron Paul
The Torture Dude from Saw
Jimmy Carter back for a second term.

Posted by: V the K at February 07, 2008 07:27 PM (/0sRQ)

368 Frankly, I don't see getting excited over McAmnesty's VP pick. All he's going to do is sit in his office waiting for somebody to die.

Posted by: V the K at February 07, 2008 07:28 PM (/0sRQ)

369 MavMuse-

Lengthy, but good. Thanks for your insights on that. I need to
digest that andform my own opinions on it, butit looks pretty good.

tmi3rdYeah, I'll second that. Good read, mav muse.

In the meantime, looks like comments are going wonky again.

Posted by: Redhead Infidel at February 07, 2008 07:59 PM (9pUdX)

370 Thank you, Redhead Infidel.
Apologies for the length whilecompleting my thought process Fredesque.
Thread has gone to new entry on VP.

Posted by: maverick muse at February 07, 2008 08:22 PM (gXSl2)

371 The GOP can coerce McCain into utilizing very effective means to achieving successful conservative accomplishments.

That would be great, but I'm sceptical the GOP could pull that off. Their first loyalty is to the party, not conservatism, and more than a few simply pay lip service to it while in practise voting themselves an annual pay-raise along with every old-fashioned Democratic tax-and-spender. If McCain were to use the same strong-arm, shut-up-and-toe-the-party-line tactics that have served to take him all the way to the presidential nomination, they'll cave, especially when McCain starts 'reaching across the aisle' again.

Posted by: Basilisk at February 07, 2008 08:47 PM (rwr5K)

372 378 - V the K: Really? Jimmy Carter ranks that high than, for you?
Interesting.

Posted by: davis,br at February 07, 2008 09:44 PM (q4usA)

373 Alas, Basilisk, as things are at present, you are probably correct.
However, IF the conservative elements amalgamate behind our radio talk show hosts, we can maneuver for our best interests rather than giving up.
Fred supporters took the bullet a few weeks ago, which seem an eternity at present. Mitt supporters are understandably in shock tonight. That we can unite is not impossible. That we can prove our case within our GOP is not impossible. We can make the mostimpact withour combined energies.
McCain won't get elected without our votes. He needs us more than we want him. It's the 'principle of least interest' working in conservative's favor at present. Strike while the iron is hot.

Posted by: maverick muse at February 07, 2008 10:23 PM (gXSl2)

374 I hate the Huck fuck. He's a total douche. He epitomizes all the self-righteous christian religious pukes I've known in my life: prideful, self-important, condescending, etc., etc. Shit, I hope McCain lets him slink off into the slimy night where he is most comfortable.

Posted by: too many steves at February 07, 2008 10:44 PM (EFQfG)

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