Inevitability: It Just Isn’t What It Used To Be

When this campaign started 7 or 8 years ago, the conventional wisdom was Hillary’s organization and fund raising prowess would swamp the Democratic field.

Well something funny happened on the way to her coronation…Barrack Obama showed up. Now he’s flush with cash and she’s dropping her own money into the coffers.

"Late last month Sen. Clinton loaned her campaign $5 million," Clinton spokesman Howard Wolfson said late yesterday, after he was first questioned about possible Clinton-self-financing in a conference call with reporters.
"The loan illustrates Sen. Clinton's commitment to this effort and to ensuring that our campaign has the resources it needs to compete and win across this nation," he added.

Her senior campaign staff is now working on a volunteer basis.

Obama meanwhile has already raised over $2 million dollars in the first week of February as a follow up to his $30 million take in January. And the most amazing thing?

...according to the Obama campaign, only 3 percent of his donors have given the maximum $2,300 donation for the primary.
…In contrast, Clinton raised about half of her money from donors who gave the maximum.
More striking, the report found that nearly half of Obama’s individual contributors in the fourth quarter of 2007 gave donations of $200 or less — amounts so small that the Federal Election Commission doesn’t even demand the givers be named on disclosure reports.

That my friends is one big donor base with a lot more in the well.

Of course, it wouldn’t be a Hillary campaign finance story without the obligatory mention that some of the money she’s donating may come from sources that aren't quite kosher.

Meanwhile…John McCain is still going to be the Republican nominee.

Posted by: DrewM. at 08:21 PM

Comments

1 DrewM,

You tricky bastard! You knew if you threw in that last line people would be compelled to comment. The loathing is strong for McCain...must make negative comment...no will of my own.

McCain sucks...enter Larkin...5,4,3,2..

Posted by: Hongqi at February 06, 2008 08:32 PM (+WuMm)

2 The author of "Giving" just scam... um... "earned" 20 million and is rumored to have another 21 behind that, should he be inclined to contribute to the campaign.

Posted by: Spartan Fan at February 06, 2008 08:39 PM (NIs51)

3 I read elsewhere that Obama counts as "donors" people who pay online for T-shirts, hats, etc. Even discounting a bit for this, though, that's a hell of a donor base.

Posted by: buzz at February 06, 2008 08:41 PM (kwhut)

Fuck HIllary and fuck Obama

Not Hillabama gets my vote

Am I a complete idiot?

Most likely

Posted by: TMF at February 06, 2008 08:43 PM (NEJSN)

Am I a complete idiot?

We've always thought so.

Posted by: AoS Morons at February 06, 2008 08:45 PM (47+Ys)

6 Hongqi,

Not so much tricky as sad.

If we had just wrapped up nominating a great good sufficient conservative last night, I'd be making popcorn and washing it down with a nice tall glass of schadenfreude while watching the Dems destroy themselves.

Alas, it is not to be.

Posted by: DrewM. at February 06, 2008 08:45 PM (hlYel)

I sent the following to ace, so I'll put this here as my comment, thus saving myself the effort of looking up words in the dictionary again:

How in the bag is the media? If Hillary has so much policy experience being in "public life" as a "political leader" for the last 30 years, then where does she get $5 million so easily? http://news.yahoo.com/s/thenation/20080206/cm_thenation/45281227 Will there be any effort at all to cover this topic? I mean it's easy to see a guy like Romney doing this; not only because he has so much, but it's so obvious where he got it. But what "businesses" or "investments" has had such a return for Hillary? The obvious assumption is Bill and his speaking engagements. But you'd have to ask to be sure. And in the asking comes the idea that Bill is trying to buy his way back into the WH, etc. The point is, this is an obvious topic for political debate/discussion and/or journalistic investigation. Want proof? Wait for John McCain to do it and see how fast Anheuser Busch becomes a hot topic. I don't know. Myabe she made bags of cash off her fabulously successful book. I'm sure many copies of her book were purchased by individual organizations who were in no way attempting to circumnavigate McCain-Feingold.

Posted by: Penn State Marine at February 06, 2008 08:47 PM (DFVTW)

8 Call me stupid, an idiot, whatever you want...but I just made my first donation to Hillary. It's not huge, but I hope every little bit keeps her afloat. Why? She'd be the easiest to defeat come November.

Posted by: Benson at February 06, 2008 08:48 PM (qzcNU)

Sure but five million is a lot less to Hillary than it is to us normal people. Anybody who can make 100x her initial investment in cattle futures can't be too worried about the money. Ahem.

Not only that, one wonders how many of those maxed-out donors were Chinese busboys, hairdressers, and other minimum wage employees. Her actual donor base may be considerably smaller, even, than the numbers show.

Posted by: Eric at February 06, 2008 08:48 PM (eSqCK)

10 I think she and Bill both wrote books that earned them several million dollars...oh, and tons of illegal contributions. Can't believe I almost forgot that.

Posted by: Hongqi at February 06, 2008 08:50 PM (+WuMm)

11 It seems that the Philadelphia Daily News has already declared Obama the winner of the general election. Big portrait, big print "Our Next President". No question mark needed.

I'm gonna say no, you bite me. i don't use question marks either, see!

Posted by: Joanie at February 06, 2008 08:52 PM (Yyy1m)

12 Anyone a little curious about donations so small that the donors' names don't have to be disclosed? I know the FEC is currently defanged due to partisan bickering and lack of a quorom, but that seems like a pretty big campaign finance loophole.

Posted by: Shivv at February 06, 2008 08:53 PM (ZiA5L)

13 You know, I think that stuff about McCain selling out to the North Vietnamese during his "imprisonment" and spending the time in a Saigon appartment whoring and drinking Mai Tai's with Viet Cong officials is a big lie. Totally despicable lies.

But it does fit in with what we have since learned about his character given his betrayal of his wife, his party and, with his immigration bill, his country.

But I still condemn those lies which, despite having the whiff of truth, are horrible slanders.

Posted by: Kasper Hauser at February 06, 2008 08:57 PM (2k6eU)

14 Kasper,

Oh, I loved that post! First time I laughed tonight.

Posted by: Hongqi at February 06, 2008 08:58 PM (+WuMm)

...wrote books that earned them several million dollars...

...tons of illegal contributions...

In Clinton terms, that's six vs. half a dozen.

Posted by: Penn State Marine at February 06, 2008 08:58 PM (DFVTW)

16 Hillary fund raising problems are directly related to her Hsu being tied up (in jail actually)

Posted by: Marvin at February 06, 2008 09:02 PM (+RvAR)

17 I find your lack of faith disturbing.

Posted by: Darth Hilasmirk at February 06, 2008 09:03 PM (p0Yi7)

18 Where the heck did she get all this money from? Weren't the Clintons so strapped for cash with all their legal troubles they needed help from donors to pay for it all? Where the hell is this money coming from? You don't get millions of dollars from books unless you're JK Rowling, political books just don't sell enough. Nobody is gonna give you a multi-million dollar deal for your book even if you're Hillary Clinton.

Shouldn't someone at the IRS at least be asking questions?

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 06, 2008 09:08 PM (hfyfI)

Shouldn't someone at the IRS at least be asking questions?

Oh yeah, you can bet they are asking questions, like "How can we endure until your return, Majesty?!! The days drag by like centuries... made bearable only in that we are collecting the data that you will employ in furthering the Cause."

Questions like that.

Posted by: sherlock at February 06, 2008 09:25 PM (ojW85)

20 But, but, but. Holmes, that is simply diabolical!

Posted by: Dr. Watson at February 06, 2008 09:44 PM (p0Yi7)

21 New pipe dream: The senator from IL/AR/NY/infernal regions wins the Dem nomination, but only by winning the superdelegate vote AND seating the FL and MI delegations, and then her campaign is BROKE!!, funded only by surprisingly generous, non-English speaking minimum wage earners and the Billary fortune. Of course, as Sherlock notes, McCain is still the GOP nominee. . .

Posted by: Gnostic Surface at February 06, 2008 09:44 PM (r1lg/)

"Her senior campaign staff is now working on a volunteer basis."

BOO Fing HOO.

Posted by: Ronster at February 06, 2008 10:05 PM (8Fk4W)

Romney was the only remotely acceptable candidate left in the race as of Tuesday night. Now he's done.

McCain is an unstable pseudo-liberal opportunist.

Hillary is evil incarnate.

Obama is a vacuous, socialistic, empty suit.

America is on a slippery-slope to very VERY hard-times. Hang-on folks.

Posted by: deMontjoie at February 06, 2008 10:17 PM (D4bPm)

Obama is a vacuous, socialistic, empty suit.

Apparently you don’t understand the audacity of hoping that socialism will work for the first time in history.

Posted by: ntac at February 06, 2008 10:47 PM (X25Cb)

25 America is on a slippery-slope to very VERY hard-times. Hang-on folks.

Fuckin' A deMontjoie.

Fuckin'. A.

Posted by: Terry at February 06, 2008 10:48 PM (sy9fr)

26 oh and McCain still sucks

Posted by: ntac at February 06, 2008 10:50 PM (X25Cb)

27 "oh and McCain still sucks"

That, and he's still going to be the nominee.

I think I'm going to give up saying "McCain sucks" for Lent. Oops. Blew that one.

Posted by: notropis at February 06, 2008 11:06 PM (h0s/4)

28 Fuck this. Christianists are still waterboarding innocent people. Give me 5 minutes with 'em and they'd be begging to tell all.

Posted by: that Sullivan asshole at February 06, 2008 11:13 PM (NIs51)

Um, this is the same Clinton "family" that begged for donations to Billy's "defence fund" which was direly needed to stop the "vast right wing conspiracy"?

Oh right, the VRWC was about Jennifer Flowers, which was an issue during HIS campaign for Dem nomination.

I wonder where all that "donation" money went?

Posted by: 5Cats at February 06, 2008 11:46 PM (Knaf0)

30 I'm sorry, but y'all going on about Mitt being a conservative cracks me up.
Nice family guy who says all the right things at the right time does not equal conservative. Christ.

Posted by: Beth at February 06, 2008 11:47 PM (yqiXY)

31 Also, Benson--I was thinking of doing the same thing. Obamessiah gets a pass for all sorts of bullshit, and he's worse than Billary in almost every respect.

Posted by: Beth at February 06, 2008 11:49 PM (yqiXY)

32 audacity of hoping that socialism will work

You forgot the rainbows and unicorns. And kittens. Cute fluffy kittens for everyone! Yes we can!

Posted by: Beth at February 06, 2008 11:51 PM (yqiXY)

33 You know something? We're going to miss not having the Clintons to kick around anymore.

I hate to admit this but Hillary would probably make a good president. If she was only a Margaret Thatcher instead of a Jimmy Carter, she'd be a shoo-in.

But she's actually Stalin in drag and a serious danger to our way of life. Obama is no better.

Posted by: PrairieWind at February 07, 2008 12:19 AM (DM0G/)

Hell, they all suck -- time to get those kevlar platied undies and do your best to protect your own. My slogan:

Self-Interest 2008' -- Don't Drop the Soap.

Posted by: Hermit Dave at February 07, 2008 12:25 AM (Tk5HT)

Hillery! is a LOT like Stalin politically (same paranoia(s) even) or Hitler in drag, or Himmler, or Chairman Mao with a wider ass.

What? Socialists get free kittens? I'm there comrade Beth!

Posted by: 5Cats at February 07, 2008 12:31 AM (Knaf0)

The only thing better than Hillary losing to Obama?

The Clintons throwing as much of their money as possible into the flames, and then Hillary losing to Obama.

Posted by: Dogstar at February 07, 2008 12:32 AM (FgxdU)

37 It's a good point Dogstar -- this has become purely a tactical election, as the end result will invariably suck. Watching the implosion largest political machine of our current day would be a plus. Guess I'm reduced to rooting for the empty suit on the Dem side.

Posted by: Hermit Dave at February 07, 2008 12:39 AM (Tk5HT)

38 30 I'm sorry, but y'all going on about Mitt being a conservative

Apparently you've jumped the gun on that apology because no one has said that, twinkletoes.

Posted by: adamthemad at February 07, 2008 12:54 AM (F0odn)

39 Voting for McCain because Romney isn't conservative enough is like trying to cannonize Aleister Crowley because you found a vibrator in Mother Theresa's dresser.

Posted by: Entropy at February 07, 2008 01:47 AM (HgAV0)

40 Soemone asked up thread where are the Clintons getting their money from - I don't know but this is interesting

The scuttlebutt in so-cal (orange county) is - there is this one big parcel of ocean front undeveloped property in Dana Point headlands - south of the Ritz off PCH, over looking the harbor. It was finally bought from the Irvine Co I think (don't know the finer specifics) anyway it's being developed now and the lots are supposedly being sold - The Schwarzenegger's, Bill Gates have bought lots and now the big scuttle is the Clintons have bought a lot - 8 million dollar lots - let that sink in just a bit , 8 mill just for the lot.

Posted by: Topsecretk9 at February 07, 2008 03:15 AM (9bguR)

41 You have to give the Democrats props. They gave their people three solid liberal candidates to choose one, and one liberal superstar. They get a feast of filet mignon (or organic tofu sprouts, or whatever it is liberals consider a delicacy) and an endless dessert buffet. The Republicans gave us a shit sandwich.

And the worst part is, if we eat the shit sandwich, they're going to assume we like shit sandwiches... and it's all we're going to get from now on.

Posted by: V the K at February 07, 2008 06:28 AM (/0sRQ)

42 Oh for Christ's sake. How long are you pissy little pussies going to keep whinging? Remind me again how many "conservative" presidents Republicans have managed to get elected since Calvin Coolidge? I'll go ahead and tell you: one, Reagan. And he presided over huge Fed deficits, increases in social spending, immigraton amnesty, the list goes on.

So fucking man up and get over your tantrum. You didn't have a good candidate, the rest of the party disagrees with you. Romney spent a million dollars per delegate he won. He had early organization and huge money advantages, and he started fucking up right away in Iowa. This guy is supposed to be a great fiscal manager? Name one smart or successful thing he' done this campaign? Huckabilly has nearly the same delegate count and spent a fraction of Romney's money. Romney ran THIRD in almost every Southern primary. A distant 3rd. And he had talk radio and a host of conservative endorsers in the bag and he still got his ass kicked.

Jesus, you guy don't really have a complaint here, since your hero Romney has never shown in actuality (remember, he was governor of Mass and tried to get elected Senator there, you don't do that without taking lefty stands) that he is a conservative. He talks a good game sure, but there is zero proof he believes any of that shit.

Nextly, its apparent he can't get elected dogcatcher in the US. He runs consistandly 20 points behind Clinton and MORE against Obama. He has no base of power, because his Mountain States Mormon base has so few eletoral votes. He'd get killed in the general, and probably lose some Southern states for the first time since '00. There is zero evidence ANY Dems would crossover for him.

But it would make you fucking whiny ass titty babies happier to go over the cliff, lose the SCOTUS, lose the war in Iraq, get god know what heinous legislation passed with no veto power, just because you have a personal hard on for McCain. Well fuck you nancies, you aren't conservatives, you weren't backing a genuine conservative and you never have, none of you who weren't alive for Calvin Coolidge so for Jesus titty fucking Christ's sake, get over your fucking selves. Hillary ADA rating 96% McCain 23%, yeah, they're carbon copies of each other, no difference at all.

Fucking babies.
Just because you want to commit suicide over some fake "ideals" don't expect sentient beings to follow your lead. Sit your ass home in Nov. 2 independents and a Democrat will probably cross over to make up for it for every one of you who does.

That' if Hillary is the nominee. I honestly don't know if ANYONE can beat Obama with a full head of steam in November. Its going to be tough. I wish Rove was still doing the dirty deeds for us.

Posted by: docweasel at February 07, 2008 07:05 AM (aj6WF)

43 Judging from the knob-slobber in the above post, I would say docweasel is the one with the "personal hard on for McCain."

Posted by: V the K at February 07, 2008 08:31 AM (PLvLS)

McCain is the "why can't we all just get along" candidate. Fuck that. If I wanted to get along, I would. I want to crush the Dems and dance on their naked, rotting corpses.

I really need to switch to decaf.

Posted by: Steve L. at February 07, 2008 09:06 AM (hpZf2)

45 McCain '08 - "I'm not Burger King, you'll have it my way and like it"

Posted by: Purple Avenger at February 07, 2008 09:13 AM (ERV3B)

46 Docweasel: AMEN!

Winston Churchill was erratic, manic-depressive, borderline alcoholic, and betrayed BOTH of England's major political parties during his career. But in 1940 he was the only man who could save Western civilization.

McCain doesn't back some issues dear to conservatives, and he's got a big mouth. But right now he's the only thing standing between us and Armageddon. I'm not kidding. Four (more likely eight) years of Hillary or Obama appeasing Iran when not actually aiding them, and we're going to be faced with a nuclear-armed terrorist state in control of the Persian Gulf. We're going to see a new Holocaust in Israel. When the oilfields burn we're going to see economic chaos worse than anything since the Black Death.

You know what I think about illegal immigration? SCREW illegal immigration. Screw campaign finance reform. Screw whatever minute deviations from some imaginary Reaganite orthodoxy you guys are obsessing about. The ONLY issue is keeping America safe, which means the ONLY issue is keeping the Democrats out of the White House.

We can survive four or eight years of squishy-liberal Republican government. We literally will not survive a Democrat administration.

Posted by: Trimegistus at February 07, 2008 10:38 AM (Nw96V)

47 But right now he's the only thing standing between us and Armageddon.

And Ron Paul is the only man who can save America. Please.

We literally will not survive a Democrat administration.

And you guys are claiming *we're* the ones who are being hysterical.

America survived Carter, and America will survive Hillabama. America is not such a weak and pathetic panty-waist of a country that it requires "Maverick" (or Dr. Paul) to save it.

Posted by: Vice President Huckabee at February 07, 2008 10:49 AM (PLvLS)

Pssst - I've heard it on the downlow that Romney is a Mormom.....

A MORMON!!!!!!!!

docweasel - go fuck yourself you flaming, cocksucking bigot

Posted by: Barbula at February 07, 2008 10:53 AM (j1KbG)

49 Oh goodie! This opens Shrillary up to questions of where that moolah came from. Was it Billy-Jeff's shady deals? Cattle futures? Payoffs from Charlie Trie?

We have a right to know!

Posted by: mojo at February 07, 2008 11:12 AM (g1cNf)

Beth at February 06, 2008 11:47 PM (yqiXY)

Mitt is not a RINO because he said Houston's asthetics suck? I live in Houston and they do suck. And its precisely because of the zoning laws. The other points have be discussed ad nauseum.

Posted by: polynikes at February 07, 2008 11:50 AM (m2CN7)

51 Mitt is not a RINO = Mitt is a RINO....

Posted by: polynikes at February 07, 2008 11:51 AM (m2CN7)

We literally will not survive a Democrat administration.

That is perhaps the biggest load of shit I've ever heard in my life.

I'm really sick of hyperpartisan ninnies screaming that the sky will fall on my head if an EEEEVIL democrat manages to get elected to anything, ever.

Why don't you remind me how HORRIBLE, CATASTROPHIC!!!11!!1 a Dem majority in the house in '06 was suppose to be again?

Posted by: Entropy at February 07, 2008 12:29 PM (m6c4H)

53 Entropy:

So it's hyperpartisan and hysterical to worry about Ahmedinejad, but perfectly sensible to be hatin' on McCain?

Posted by: Trimegistus at February 07, 2008 12:58 PM (Nw96V)

54 McCainites are like Paulites, except Paulites go all fucked-in-the-head when they LOSE.

It sounds to me like the ones who want to split the party are the McCainites. The funny thing is, most anti-McCainites say they'll vote for him anyway. Less so each time a McCainite jumps up and screams insults, but still.

If you really fear Hillabama, McCainites, how about not dropping trou and pissing all over your prospective allies for a while?

Posted by: Merovign at February 07, 2008 01:49 PM (IaYDo)

what i like about this story is how hillary referred to this donation as an investment. investment for what?

sounds to me like hillary's a corrupt witch who will try to get as much of that money back under the table. remember, the annual salary of the president is less than what a ceo makes in a year. so how the hell is she going to get any returns on her money even if she makes a million dollars a year for four years?

Posted by: pawchikapawpaw at February 07, 2008 02:13 PM (pc1iN)

So it's hyperpartisan and hysterical to worry about Ahmedinejad, but perfectly sensible to be hatin' on McCain?

Fact: I've never once, ever, said 'America won't survive a McCain Presidency'.

Probably because it would be nearly as preposterously riduclous as claiming our country won't survive a democrat administration.

Posted by: I'm John Fucking McCain, Bitches at February 07, 2008 02:30 PM (m6c4H)

57 Guess who.

Posted by: Entropy at February 07, 2008 02:31 PM (m6c4H)

Oh, I'm sorry...

Not "we will not survive"

"We literally will not survive "

OK, gotcha.

I got $50,000.00. I'll give you 20-1 odds on that wager. Shall we exchange emails?

Posted by: Entropy at February 07, 2008 02:33 PM (m6c4H)

59 docweasel that was the most pointless and out of place rant I've ever seen. Like Dennis Leary going on and on for half an hour about someone who asks if the waiter could bring them some more water.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 07, 2008 05:06 PM (hfyfI)

60 you mcCain haters fancy yourselves political experts, but are too dumb to see the country is not a conservative as you would like it to be- you'll NEVER get a candidate you approve of elected. Hell, even the PARTY isn't as conservative as you guys calling McCain as bad as Hillary would like it to be, obviously, because the party just picked McCain.

Butch up and take reality into account or you're in for a lifetime of frustration, heartache and whiny ass titty baby comments like above because you'll NEVER get the candidate you want, and if you did he would never be elected. Even Reagan didn't actually govern like the conservative you guys style yourselves today. He signed a fucking AMNESTY for fuck's sake, yet you call Romney the Reaganite. That''s rich.

Sucks to be you guys right now. I mean, forever.

Posted by: docweasel at February 07, 2008 08:58 PM (aj6WF)

61 "I work in Washington and I know that money corrupts. And I and a lot of other people were trying to stop that corruption. Obviously, from what we've been seeing lately, we didn't complete the job. But I would rather have a clean government than one where quote First Amendment rights are being respected that has become corrupt. If I had my choice, I'd rather have the clean government."
-John McCain in 2006

What's not to love?

Posted by: DrewM. at February 07, 2008 11:05 PM (hlYel)

62 Apparently she got 8 million for her book deal. Eight. Million. That's known as "getting around campaign finance laws."

And doc: insulting and being patronizing to people doesn't make friends, or convince anyone. Enjoy the fruits of your labors this November.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 07, 2008 11:12 PM (hfyfI)

63 who says I'm trying to make friends? On the fucking internet, in a comments thread. I guess you suggest sucking up to political naifs, idiots and bitter fools who don't even know what they are pissed off about and have zero comprehension of history or politics. For the record, there has not been a doctrinaire conservative elected by the Republicans in very nearly a century. There have been damn few nominated, and the ones who were, were defeated soundly. In our lifetimes, which is really the most relevant thing, say we start with big government Nixon, amnesty signing and Dem Congress ham-strung Reagan, read my lips Bush I, and compassionate conservative Bush II who has, with the connivance of a Republican congress presided over the biggest expansion of government spending in the history of the world. Where was all this outrage then? The main thing everyone is pissed off about is ATTITUDE. The caller to rush thing above exemplifies it. The stupid ass "Suzanne" woman doesn't give one fucking REAL reason she doesn't like McCain except she feels he disrespected her. He fucking backs the WOT and the struggle in Iraq to the HILT. You saying there's no difference between him, Obama and Hillary on this? You think all 3 of them would name the same judges? Hillary ADA 96% John McCain 23%. I'm just sick of the fucking bandwagon whinging. And while I happen to AGREE wtih more liberal immigration policy, those of you basing all their outrage and refusal to back McCain on this main reason are fucked, running, because its coming, Democrat or Republican, and its the right thing to do, and its going to happen, whether you like it or not. You're on the wrong side of history here. As I like to say, you better pipe down about demanding people "assimilate" to your particular standards and opinions. Its you sorry fucks who are going to get assimilated in less than a generation. I have no problem with the culture changing, it always has with new influxes of immigrants. There is a major tone of racism and bigotry to the nativist cant about immigration. Its wrong and its not going to stand, wall or no wall, millions of Mexicans are going to become Americans, fairly, cheaply and in a timely fashion. Sit your asses home on election day, and IF McCain wins, and you lose that gamble, your far right dogmatic conservative theory that "you can't win without the 'base'" will finally have been shot to hell, where it belongs. You AREN'T the fucking base, obviously. Your man got his ass handed to him. You are as far outside the mainstream as John Edwards was on the left. But I encourage you to wallow in your stupidity and anger, because it keeps you ineffective. Why the fuck would I want any of those McCain haters and xenophobes are my friend? There's no convincing the worst of them anyway because they are rationally and politically retarded. I'm glad Slublog, for one, took my advice and moved on to the VP fight, which is the next important step. Let's just see how much McCain feels he has to placate those who will not be placated. I'm going to predict he says fuck it, and goes for his best interest, which doesn't include nativists.

Posted by: docweasel at February 08, 2008 06:17 AM (WzPzd)

64 Would this be a "sub-prime" loan all things considered?

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