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| John Gibson Goes Shock Jock After Ledger Death: "Well, I Guess He Knew How To Quit You"I'm not big on good taste, but I really have no idea why Gibson would go so hard after Heath Ledger. I could see a radio host failing to show adequate sensitivity if, say, Michael Moore keeled over from choking on Ding Dong. But Heath Ledger? It's not as if the entire rightwing were in a froth from all those horrible slanders he'd thrown at conservatives. As far as I know, his big political statements were appearing as a gay cowboy eating pudding in a greatly overrated vanity project and doing drugs. Though on the latter, he kept it discreet. Until he died. I'm not even sure we know yet if the death was drug-induced. Anyway, far be it from me to scold John Gibson over some ill-advised remarks. But I don't get the shock jock chuckling thing when a fairly anodyne guy dies. A joke in poor taste should be funny enough to justify itself -- you can't fight the funny -- but just tossing out a somewhat-gloating ha-ha over a guy's death doesn't seem to rise to that level. Eh, not the biggest deal. These guys have hours to fill and they don't work off of scripts, mostly. We all say crap like this all the time, but we're usually not miked up and broadcasting to hundreds of thousands of people when we do.Comments1
Michael Moore keeled over from choking on Ding Dong.
The man has probably had a bolus made up of half a turkey go down, I doubt a Ding Dong would cause problems. Posted by: tachyonshuggy at January 24, 2008 04:35 PM (Lz6uE) 2
I can see making an issue of the coverage of Ledger's death, which has been a bit excessive. But making fun of the death itself? Seems kind of a jerky thing to do.
Posted by: Slublog at January 24, 2008 04:36 PM (R8+nJ) 3
Slublog, a Faux News personality making fun of excessive coverage of a celebrity death? Anna Nicole Smith ring a bell? I've never liked Gibson. He's about as attractive as cream of wheat, and about as interesting too. I don't think I ever saw a movie this guy was in, and am sick to death of the celebrity obsession in our culture, but making fun of a suicide or OD just isn't cool. All the headlines about Ledger and the Winehouse woman indicate that their friends and loved ones were/are super concerned about them, etc. It's sad that family members can't get somebody committed any more, IMHO. Posted by: funky chicken at January 24, 2008 04:42 PM (L+7nW) 4
I'm feel indifferent towards Ledger's death. No reason to be insensitive about the matter. But it has turned into such a cartoon with the involvement of the Olsen twins. Typical Holloywood twits with more money than sense in yet another jam. It's hard to pity someone you cannot relate to. Posted by: Bart at January 24, 2008 04:42 PM (HuOVU) 5
Slublog, a Faux News personality making fun of excessive coverage of a celebrity death? Anna Nicole Smith ring a bell?
Oh, you had to remind me. Egad, that was beyond excessive. Posted by: Slublog at January 24, 2008 04:43 PM (R8+nJ) 6
This seems like the kind of joking that you'd do with your friends, not on the radio. But, still, I don't feel outraged or upset about his jokes. I'd like to, because it seems like I should. Maybe I'm a jerk? John Gibson is the only conservative radio guy that makes me laugh real laughs, not just chuckles. And I still don't understand why that is.
Posted by: Joanie at January 24, 2008 04:46 PM (Z9tCp) Posted by: Bart at January 24, 2008 04:50 PM (HuOVU) 8
Personally, I don't care. And the left is now going to try to blow this up into much more than it really is. To be fair, both sides play this gotcha' crap. I do resent having to hear about these Hollywood idiots who throw away their lives. Am I to feel sorry for them for being narcissistic idiots?
Posted by: dlm at January 24, 2008 05:03 PM (8YScM) 9
Am I the only one who thinks two straight guys playing two gay gays and simulating sex with each other is not silly?
Posted by: dlm at January 24, 2008 05:04 PM (8YScM) 10
Eh, not the biggest deal. These guys have hours to fill and they don't work off of scripts, mostly. We all say crap like this all the time Pretty much. I don't even know why we're still talking about Heath Ledger. msnbc still has his death in the headlines...maybe they're investigating something or other, I have no idea, I didn't click. But...huh? OK, Day 1 "Heath Ledger Dead". OK, read the headline. Now I know all I need to know, but there's a whole column there somewhere for the gossipy sorts. Day 2 - woh stop. Day 2? There is no day. STFU. He ain't Elvis. Man has starred in a gay cowboy movie eatting pudding that no one liked, a TV series called Roar no one saw, and a his only noteworthy cool appearance being the villian in a movie that hasn't come out yet. Who? Posted by: Entropy at January 24, 2008 05:04 PM (HgAV0) Posted by: Kasper Hauser at January 24, 2008 05:05 PM (KeOQp) 12
Please leave me out of this. I'm tired of being associated with this crap. Where's Bill Cosby when you need him?
Posted by: Pudding at January 24, 2008 05:07 PM (Tk5HT) 13
I liked him in The Patriot.
Someone reported that there was a 15 minute time gap from the time his body was discovered to the time 911 was called? Is that true? Posted by: dlm at January 24, 2008 05:07 PM (8YScM) 14
So, how exactly does this benefit me?
Posted by: Mitt Romney at January 24, 2008 05:08 PM (PLvLS) 15
Seriously, while he may have had a good career if he didn't go and die, at this point I think it's fair to say Heath Ledger is famous for being famous. You know his name? I see you're familiar with his primary works. Posted by: Entropy at January 24, 2008 05:08 PM (HgAV0) 16
I'm not outraged either. And I could easily see making that joke myself among friends.
I wouldn't have said it on-air, though. But this is more a question of prudence and manners than conscience and morality. Posted by: ace at January 24, 2008 05:16 PM (SXBHu) 17
If he hadn't died, I wouldn't know who he is. Now I know what his head looked like.
"Punch line of a Sean Rouse joke that still made sense if you didn't know who he was talking about, dead. Bitches bitchy about it." So who the fuck is John Gibson, and does he have any coke? Posted by: Retired (Not Gay) at January 24, 2008 05:17 PM (k5JzA) 18
and I'm not joining the left -- or Joe Scarborough, for that matter -- in calling for his firing.
Still, maybe a brief but not begging apology. It's really not a big deal, but still out of bounds. And not really funny, either. If it had been really funny I would defend him completely. But as it is it's just cheap snark. Posted by: ace at January 24, 2008 05:18 PM (SXBHu) Posted by: ace at January 24, 2008 05:19 PM (SXBHu) Posted by: Weekend Update at January 24, 2008 05:27 PM (QA8jC) 21
You ace, you're gonna be my worst person in the world tonight. Because I was secretly a Fred-head and you single-handedly killed his candidacy. Asshole.
Posted by: Keith Olbermann at January 24, 2008 05:29 PM (Tk5HT) 22
I'm sick of when ever someone does something someone else disapproves of, they call for their firing. I think the people who demand the firing should be the ones fired.
Posted by: dlm at January 24, 2008 05:43 PM (8YScM) 23
"Still, maybe a brief but not begging apology. It's really not a big deal, but still out of bounds. And not really funny, either. If it had been really funny I would defend him completely. But as it is it's just cheap snark." Is there really a need for any apology? Maybe he could say "I was out of line, maybe. I'll try to make it funnier next time". I agree it wasn't that funny, unlike his Randi Rhodes riffing that sent me into a teary laugh fit. But, if this causes him to tone down completely for fear of offending, who will make me laugh? Sean Hannity? I don't think so. I really don't think it's even brief apology worthy. Posted by: Joanie at January 24, 2008 05:50 PM (Z9tCp) 24
Someone reported that there was a 15 minute time gap from the time his
body was discovered to the time 911 was called? Is that true?
In the future, everyone famous will be dead for 15 minutes. Posted by: Andy Warhol at January 24, 2008 06:07 PM (HucaB) 25
Ace and others, if I may, I think I know why you aren't outraged. You aren't outraged because you are a right wing partisan.
Let's do the old switcheroo on this one and pretend that, instead of Heath Ledger, it was, say, actor Jim Caveizel who died suddenly and tragically under some possibly suicidy type circumstances leaving behind his wife and adopted son. Now imagine Air America radio personality Randi Rhodes goes on her show that very day and tells (unfunny) jokes and laughs about the death because he was in Passion of the Christ, with Randi joking about him being resurrected and playing sound clips from the film for supposed comedic effect. Hardy har har. Is that something you might get worked up over? If so, one of two things has occurred: either your partisanship has created false outrage in the alternate reality (doubtful), or your partisanship has dulled your sense of decency here. Posted by: Seattle Slough at January 24, 2008 06:10 PM (H5l9d) 26
Mitt Romney LOL now that's funny.
Posted by: funky chicken at January 24, 2008 06:25 PM (L+7nW) 27
Seattle, I disagree that it's about partisanship. For me it's about the circumstances. If Heath Ledger had been killed during a car jacking, I think we'd all be more outraged at Gibson. But Ledger basically killed himself through stupidity and carelessness. And let's face facts here - anyone who was that cavalier with medications must have had a death wish (or at least an indifference to death) at some subconcious level. Posted by: Maetenloch at January 24, 2008 06:31 PM (ZOH2r) 28
seattle,
I'm about as outraged as when Chevy Chase announced children's entertainer Professor Backwards had died, and his last words were "Pleh! Pleh!" I tell jokes like this all the time. Gallows humor. Most of the time it's not political at all. It's just being an asshole. You probably do too, though I'm not sure you actually have a sense of humor so maybe you don't. So while I agree the remarks are insensitive and not fit for broadcast, I'm afraid I can't join your torch and pitchfork mob at the moment. Incidentally, if Jim Caveziel dies, every single fucking lefty radio host will say, "Give him three days, he's coming back, I hear." They will all tell the same lame joke. Making sport of his death as Gibson did with Ledger's. YOU will not show any outrage for that, either. Making you a hypocrite. And me ? I'd say basically the same thing about the hypothetical Caveziel joke. Insensitve, etc. But I wouldn't issue an Important Action Alert or Pretty Viscous Rant over it. Posted by: ace at January 24, 2008 06:34 PM (SXBHu) 29
I think Maetenloch pretty well covers it. Unless it comes out that he died due to completely natural and unforeseen health problems, I'm neutral about the death at best; if it's an overdose, he's a dumb-ass. Partisanship has nothing to do with it.
Posted by: Kerry at January 24, 2008 06:38 PM (VMgIc) 30
Blah blah blah blah. I don't give a shit enough to bother to actually know what the fuck I'm talking about. (seriously. Really. No sarcasm.) Now imagine Air America radio personality Randi Rhodes goes on her show that very day and tells (unfunny) jokes and laughs about the death because he was in Passion of the Christ, with Randi joking about him being resurrected and playing sound clips from the film for supposed comedic effect. But here's what happened here so far as I know which is not much beyond skimming Ace's headline because, like I said, I don't give a shit: "Well, I Guess He Knew How To Quit You" Those 2 descriptions are not equitable. Would I give a fuck if Rhandi Rhodes said "Contrary to his role in the movies, his agent says this time he won't be coming back"? That's equitable. No, I wouldn't give a shit. Did Gibson say MORE then I know about (just that quote)? I don't know, and don't tell me, because I won't be listening, because I'm not really even paying attention to what I'm typing here. I've pretty much been watching a rerun of Stargate Atlantis and tapping my foot randomly on the keyboard for the last 2 paragraphs. Don't believe me? Check this shit - here's something else that's equitable to what I actually know John Gibson did: I LIKED Steve Irwin. When Steve Irwin showed up on the Halloween South Park with a stingray piercing his chest, I laughed. Not alot, because that too was not actually that funny, or funny enough to justify much of anything. Some people were OUTRAGED! Some people seem to exist in a constant state of OUTRAGE though. Bleh. Yawn. Get a life. (I hear Heath had one he's not using...*badump ching*) Posted by: Entropy at January 24, 2008 06:40 PM (HgAV0) 31
Speaking of which.... your partisanship has created false outrage in the alternate reality Please watch this short video. What was your initial reaction to that Seattle???? Do tell. You can lie to me but don't lie to yourself. Posted by: Entropy at January 24, 2008 06:48 PM (HgAV0) 32
"I've pretty much been watching a rerun of Stargate Atlantis and tapping my foot randomly on the keyboard for the last 2 paragraphs. . . . Get a life." Hmmm. Posted by: Fred at January 24, 2008 06:50 PM (ywDRa) 33
John Gibson is apologizing on Fox news right now.
Posted by: Rightwingsparkle at January 24, 2008 06:59 PM (y/XQ4) Posted by: The Public at January 24, 2008 07:18 PM (ERV3B) 35
i'll say it. fuck heath ledger with a big black dog! i's sick of hearing about him.
Posted by: pudenda at January 24, 2008 07:22 PM (y6Uk9) 36
I've never listened to John Gibson before. This is his routine? How un-fucking funny can you be? Jesus. Jeff and Bill INDC's webcast was funnier, and anyone who remembers that shit knows just what the hell I'm sayin' here.
Posted by: Warden at January 24, 2008 07:23 PM (QoR4a) 37
Jeff and Bill INDC's webcast was funnier, and anyone who remembers that shit knows just what the hell I'm sayin' here. The Citizen Journalists Report was one of the best internet radio shows ever...so long as it was limited to Jeff G.'s segments. Posted by: Jack M. at January 24, 2008 07:29 PM (b96e6) 38
I've never read Warden before. This is his routine? How un-fucking funny can you be? Jesus. FrankJ and IMAO's podcast was funnier, and anyone who remembers that shit knows just what the hell I'm sayin' here.
Posted by: TheEJS at January 24, 2008 07:38 PM (hBYdH) 39
Gibson can be funny. Go to Johnny Dollar's place and search for his bitchslaps of Keith Olberman.
It's good stuff. His use of soundbites from Olbermann, especially pompous, dramatic shit like "BUSH'S WAR OF LIES," gets funnier and funnier the more he pushes the button. Posted by: ace at January 24, 2008 07:39 PM (SXBHu) 40
"This is his routine? "
This is a bad example, not a good example. I've been listening to him for awhile. I think he and Mike Church are by far the funniest. Posted by: Joanie at January 24, 2008 07:42 PM (Yyy1m) 41
Entropy:
My initial reaction was the same as my current reaction. It was unfunny and lazy humor. I don't find Southpark to be all that funny in general. The Chevy Chase line that Ace quoted has the benefit of being legitimately funny. But the thing that bothers the left about the Gibson joke isn't that it is gallow's humor. It is that Ledger was singled out because he made a movie about gay people. That is the basis for the "jokes" and that is the apparent reason why he and his family are apparently fair game for a lame attempt at humor before we even know the cause of f-ing death. The "jokes" were so lame that it is obvious Gibson wanted to trash the guy and these were the best he could come up with. "Pleh, pleh" is a whole different ball of wax. The reasons for shit matter. So what a Marine got his car keyed. Big f-ing deal. It matters because the guy did it, not despite the fact that he was a marine, but because of it. In my example, hypothetical Randi Rhodes thinks Caveizel is fair game because he made a movie about Jesus. That is a shitty motive to do something that by all accounts should only be done if you have a pretty good reason to do so (e.g. you have a really funny joke to tell not because you have a political or cultural axe to grind) Posted by: Seattle Slough at January 24, 2008 09:59 PM (H5l9d) 42
Now imagine Air America radio personality Randi Rhodes goes on her show that very day and tells (unfunny) jokes
And that would make it...what..Thursday? It's not like I need to "imagine" all that hard Posted by: Ted K. at January 24, 2008 10:05 PM (5BNAB) Posted by: Warden at January 24, 2008 10:33 PM (QoR4a) 44
Pudding:
Please leave me out of this. I'm tired of being associated with this crap. Where's Bill Cosby when you need him? Having a Coke and a Smile. Posted by: cheshirecat at January 24, 2008 11:40 PM (hxj48) 45
You guys keep saying that the insane extremists in your party are just a tiny lunatic fringe, but they we get these obvious equivalences between a mainstream rightwing pundit like Gibson and Fred Phelps.
Posted by: Bob Munck at January 24, 2008 11:43 PM (n0BzT) 46
Ace and others, if I may, I think I know why you aren't outraged. You aren't outraged because you are a right wing partisan.
I'm not outraged because 1) I didn't even know who Heger (whatever) was, and 2) I don't care what John Gibson thinks. Let's do the old switcheroo on this one and pretend that, instead of Heath Ledger, it was, say, actor Jim Caveizel who died suddenly and tragically under some possibly suicidy type circumstances leaving behind his wife and adopted son. This again brings up 1)Who? 2)Why do I care? Now imagine Air America radio personality Randi Rhodes goes on her show that very day and tells (unfunny) jokes and laughs about the death because he was in Passion of the Christ, with Randi joking about him being resurrected and playing sound clips from the film for supposed comedic effect. Which isn't a big stretch of the imagination. But then again, 90% of the country would say 1) Who? and 2) Who cares? Hardy har har. Is that something you might get worked up over? If so, one of two things has occurred: either your partisanship has created false outrage in the alternate reality (doubtful), or your partisanship has dulled your sense of decency here. Garbled, confusing, and quite frankly duller than an in-flight magazine produced by Air Belgium. Posted by: cheshirecat at January 24, 2008 11:45 PM (hxj48) 47
obvious equivalences between a mainstream rightwing pundit like Gibson and Fred Phelps.
Fred Phelps? Right-wing? I don't think so... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Phelps Democratic Party Phelps has run in various Kansas Democratic Party primaries five times, but has never won. These included races for governor in 1990, 1994, and 1998, receiving about 15% of the vote in 1998.[35] In the 1992 Democratic Party primary for U.S. Senate, Phelps received 31% of the vote [36] Phelps ran for mayor of Topeka in 1993 [37] and 1997. [38] Support for Al Gore Phelps supported Al Gore in the 1988 Democratic Party primary election.[39] In his 1984 Senate race, Gore opposed a "gay bill of rights" and stated that homosexuality was not something that "society should affirm".[40] Phelps has stated that he supported Gore because of these earlier comments.[41] According to Phelps, members of the Westboro Baptist Church helped run Gore's 1988 campaign in Kansas. Phelps' son, Fred Phelps Jr., hosted a Gore fundraiser, which Al and Tipper Gore attended, at his home in Topeka.[10][41] Fred Phelps, Jr. served as a Gore delegate to the 1988 Democratic National Convention.[41][42] Gore spokesman Dag Vega declined to comment; "We are not dignifying those stories with a response." Ahem. Posted by: cheshirecat at January 24, 2008 11:56 PM (hxj48) 48
Fred Phelps? Right-wing?
Well, I could claim that I didn't actually say that he is, which I didn't, but in truth I didn't know any of that stuff you quoted. Sigh. First the Dixiecrats, now Phelps. Still, do you want one of your guys acting like him? Posted by: Bob Munck at January 25, 2008 12:06 AM (n0BzT) 49
Well, John Gibson isn't "one of my guys", and get back to me when he starts protesting outside of funerals.
Posted by: cheshirecat at January 25, 2008 12:14 AM (hxj48) 50
get back to me when he starts protesting outside of funerals.
Isn't that what he's doing? Or do you mean "immediately outside?" Gibson is pretty widely recognized as a right-wing pundit; he's on Fox. Posted by: Bob Munck at January 25, 2008 12:29 AM (n0BzT) 51
fuck bob munk and his brother chip and the stupid fucking donkey they rode in on. Posted by: pudenda at January 25, 2008 01:17 AM (y6Uk9) 52
They saddled Gibson to those nitwits Heather something and Doug Kennedy
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