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| McCain & the Gang of 14I had been willing to give McCain a partial pass on the Gang of 14 compromise, figuring it actually helped a few conservative judges through. So in net effect, it helped the cause. Andrew McCarthy (Pretty In Pink, St Elmo's Fire) argues persuasively that's not the case at all.Forcing our political representatives to tell us where they stand is a fundamental democratic principle. Even losing a “nuclear option” vote would have been valuable for conservatives: It would have identified which Senators believed — like Sen. McCain obviously believes — that preserving senatorial privilege took precedence over their constitutional duty to consent to, or withhold consent from, judicial nominees. Besides preserving their privilege (which allows a single senator, for absolutely no reason, to prevent a president from fulfilling his constitutional obligation to appoint officers of the United States, without whom the government cannot function), McCain and his confederates were most determined to avoid accountability. That was the essence of the Gang of 14 deal. The senators pretended, in a bluster of high-minded twaddle, to resolve the controversy without disturbing the chamber’s procedures. It was nonsense. At the time, the president had made ten nominations that Democrats (and some Republicans) blocked. Three of them had been so abused by the senatorial intransigence that they finally withdrew their names from consideration. Of the remaining seven, the Gang of 14 agreed there would be a vote on only three. It then went on to preserve the filibuster, purporting that it could only be invoked in “extraordinary circumstances.” That this was an utterly empty commitment was palpable from the agreement itself. The Whites assert:I've been emailing McCarthy to find out if he or Levin has written an article about McCain's actual commitment to supporting -- or appointing, if elected President -- conservative judges. I don't think they've addressed this point specifically. But I'll just note that we know when McCain is emotionally stirred by an issue. He gets angry. He called, for example, Senator Cornyn a "chickenshit" and screamed "Fuck you!" at him when he tried to alter McCain's comprehensive piece of shit to make it more palatable to sovereignty-minded conservatives. Can anyone recall McCain putting his political chips on the line for a single conservative judge? Can anyone remember him displaying his well-known temper when a very fine man, Miguel Estrada, was slandered and filibustered by the Democrats for no other reason than the fact that he was eminently qualified, young, and Hispanic, and therefore a likely Supreme Court pick one day? Because I don't. A lot of people give Giuliani grief over his commitment to nominate conservative justices. I don't, myself. Because I know law and order guys hate liberal judges just as much as pro-life folks. Whether he's pro-choice or not, he doesn't want judges on the bench who invent new rights. But I don't see much examination over McCain's commitment to judicial conservatism. And yet we know that in the filibuster fight, he sided with Democrats to, essentially, preserve and ratify their victories in blocking good, qualified conservative judges. And we also know that while he may expend political chits on a few issues of importance to him -- the war and pork, mostly -- we never seem to see him using that MSM-supplied halo in the service of helping conservative jurists get to the court. Many of us seem to be assuming McCain would fight for a conservative judge. Why? What evidence is there of this? All the evidence we have points in the exact opposite direction. If you like Justices Kennedy and Souter and Breyer, you're going to love President McCain. Because I see many such "consensus judges" with "solid bipartisan backing" being nominated by President McCain.While the agreement's "extraordinary circumstances" clause was vague and perhaps even unenforceable, the Gang never allowed it to be used successfully to allow a filibuster—most likely because the Gang of 14 also did not foreclose ultimate resort to the nuclear option in such situations.This is preposterous. The Gang of 14 deal itself continued four of the filibusters, two of them conclusively. As the Whites concede, the deal “cited two nominees (William Haynes and Henry Saad) whose fates would not be decided by the agreement, effectively killing those nominations.” Comments1
Because of his traitorous involvement in the Gang of 14, because of his Shamnesty Bill, because of his veto of Bush's Tax cuts, I refuse to support the asshole!
Posted by: Mr Minority at January 23, 2008 05:15 PM (rV8wK) Posted by: Slublog at January 23, 2008 05:16 PM (R8+nJ) 3
Rush Limbaugh was talking about McCain today near the end of his show.
He mentioned the Gang of 14, global warming, shutting down Gitmo and transferring the prisoners to the US, McCain-Feingold, opposition to the Bush tax cuts, and something else I can't remember, as issues that Republican voters need to ask him about. I'd like to hear the "Straight Talk Express" on these. Posted by: EC at January 23, 2008 05:17 PM (j2Tjh) 4
President McCain will work closely with his "very good friends" on the other side of the aisle to nominate candidates acceptable to the Democrat majority in the Senate. Its just good government, folks. Straight talk. Posted by: Fred at January 23, 2008 05:17 PM (ivbbD) 5
All the evidence we have points in the exact opposite direction.
As it does for Rudy. And he's not a "law and order guy." He just likes it when people who aren't in his gang get hurt. Sometimes that accidentally looks like the same thing. It's not. Posted by: Retired (Not Gay) at January 23, 2008 05:18 PM (k5JzA) 6
Who did McCain think would be a good Attorney General in 2000? Warren Rudman, who as Senator pushed the Souter nomination.
Appearing. on CNN's "Evans, Novak, Hunt and Shields" on January 15, McCain was asked what he would do as President to keep six-year-old Cuban Elian Gonzalez in the United States. He converted the question into an opportunity to float Rudman as his attorney general nominee. Said McCain: "If I had an attorney general, I'm sure that that attorney general would-maybe even Warren Rudman-would find away." Be afraid, be very afraid. Posted by: DrewM. at January 23, 2008 05:23 PM (hlYel) 7
John McCain will not appoint conservative judges. By definition, a conservative judge would strike down McCain-Feingold, so he cannot appoint a judge like that. He will appoint judges who are acceptable to Ted Kennedy.
Posted by: Gary at January 23, 2008 05:23 PM (ZZOa6) 8
"McCain and his confederates were most determined to avoid accountability." You mean all that stuff about "straight talk" was just a load of bullshit??? Get the fuck outta here!!! Posted by: thirteen28 at January 23, 2008 05:26 PM (s8N54) 9
Andrew McCarthy (Pretty In Pink, St Elmo's Fire) argues persuasively that's not the case at all. What about his Oscar winning performance in Weekend at Bernie's? Posted by: Gunslinger at January 23, 2008 05:28 PM (Zi+FQ) 10
It will be so terrible if McCain is nominated. Our choice then will be between two democrats. What a horrific thought. Posted by: t.ferg at January 23, 2008 05:31 PM (2YVh7) 11
McCain would likely nominate Arlen Specter (RINO-PA) to the SCOTUS. After all, Arlen has been carrying water for Kennedy and Leahy for years. That way, we could finally have Scottish Law helping us interpret our Constitution!
Posted by: MCPO Airdale at January 23, 2008 05:33 PM (p0Yi7) 12
#5, I don't think that's a fair statement about Rudy, either. I don't care for him myself--too much of a law-and-order guy for me--but he's not a gang member. At least not a "made" member. That I know of. Posted by: spongeworthy at January 23, 2008 05:35 PM (a00go) 13
Gang of 14?
Now, I'm not an expert on this sort of stuff, but isn't the Gang of 14 a group of old folks who like to play shuffleboard or whatever? Not saying that McCain is old or anything, just that he hangs out with old people and does old people stuff. Plus, the group might be affiliated with Satan. And they all wear special underwear. But you didn't hear it from me. Posted by: Mike Huckabee at January 23, 2008 05:39 PM (R8+nJ) 14
I'd request someone photoshop McCain's face on a Bill the Butcher's photo from Gangs of New York but Butcher Bill was a staunch supporter of immigration control so I guess it just wouldn't work.
Posted by: polynikes at January 23, 2008 05:41 PM (m2CN7) 15
Again, McCain would destroy conservatism as a viable political force in US politics. This is not an exaggeration. And this time I'm not sure it would recover. We could go the way of Old Europe.
There is no issue (with a few exceptions) he wouldn't "compromise" on in the spirit of the new age "unity" politics. Brave New World here we come. Posted by: JB at January 23, 2008 05:43 PM (y93Nb) 16
Here's an equation about Rudy: Ted Olson + Miguel Estrada = Bona fides on judges. Knock Rudy all you want on anything else, but he's sold me on judges. P.S. MCPO Airdale: Don't worry about Specter. He's about 10,000 years old in dog years. No way he's put on SCOTUS. (He's done enough damage already in the Senate.) Posted by: Attila (Pillage Idiot) at January 23, 2008 05:49 PM (ZaM5Y) 17
I wouldn't vote for McCain with your dick.
Posted by: allswell at January 23, 2008 05:50 PM (IdO5D) 18
If the Stupid Party manages to nominate McCain, I, along with many, many other true conservative voters, will sit it out. I'd rather have a Democrat give us the shaft. At least I am expecting it from them and we can blame them when things go to pot. I will NOT bend over and grab the ankles just to say I voted for a "republican." If the "republican" in question is more like a democrat in disguise, why should I have to compromise my principles. Posted by: Paradigm Shift at January 23, 2008 06:14 PM (/s5j6) 19
No I don't see any evidence that McCain will go for a good judicial nomination, rather the opposite. But then, I see the same thing with Giuliani and I'm not confident with Romney, either. Huckabee I don't trust in anything.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at January 23, 2008 06:22 PM (hfyfI) 20
Problem is- what makes anyone think that Romney would be any better at appointing conservative judges? Not so long ago he favored upholding Roe v Wade, is in favor of a federal assault weapon ban (anti-2nd amemdment), and lately has been proposing federal spending solutions every time someone sneezes too loud (anti-federalist). Besides the possibility of overturning Roe v Wade, one of the other things we'd expect of a constructionist judge would be to limit the scope of the federal government- and Romney seems so happy with the broad reach the feds now take that he seems to want to expand it even further. Posted by: Hollowpoint at January 23, 2008 06:26 PM (plsiE) 21
Here's an equation about Rudy: Ted Olson + Miguel Estrada = Bona fides on judges. Here's a more accurate equation: Ted Olson + Meguel Estrata = Campaign stunt. Where Rudy lost me on judges was when he refused to give an opinion on whether Roe v Wade- one of the most activist decisions of recent times- should be overturned. Abortion isn't that important an issue to me personally, but if doesn't think it was a bad decision that should be overturned, then he really can't claim to be a constructionist. Posted by: Hollowpoint at January 23, 2008 06:35 PM (plsiE) 22
Oh, and before I come off looking like a McCain shill- Ace is probably right in that he'd appoint a non-conservative, moderate, "consensus" judge. One that would fall under the spell of the Supreme Court chamber and shift left like many before him.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at January 23, 2008 06:38 PM (plsiE) 23
This is one of the big reasons I'm having trouble raising any
enthusiasm for McCain. I don't trust him on anything high-profile that
has the usual suspects lining up against the Republicans.
Posted by: ZombieReagan at January 23, 2008 06:38 PM (mX6h5) 24
John McCain will not appoint conservative judges. By definition, a
conservative judge would strike down McCain-Feingold, so he cannot
appoint a judge like that.
This is also very obvious. His baby's in play. Posted by: ZombieReagan at January 23, 2008 06:40 PM (mX6h5) 25
Oops.
Posted by: MlR at January 23, 2008 06:43 PM (mX6h5) 26
Problem is- what makes anyone think that Romney would be any better at appointing conservative judges? McCain has a track record - he almost certainly will not appoint any conservative judges. On the other hand Romney might appoint some conservatives. So that alone puts him ahead of McCain. Posted by: Maetenloch at January 23, 2008 06:46 PM (ZOH2r) 27
Many of us seem to be assuming McCain would fight for a conservative
judge. Why? What evidence is there of this? All the evidence we have
points in the exact opposite direction.
That was like the 3rd or 4th reason I've said from day one I'd never vote for McCain. I wouldn't vote for McCain with your dick. So, when I caught you copping a feel of my unit, and you said you were just going to the polls to vote for McCain and I pretended for both our sakes that made sense, you were lying? Posted by: krakatoa at January 23, 2008 06:53 PM (1nsAD) 28
Ace is probably right in that he'd appoint a non-conservative, moderate, "consensus" judge. One that would fall under the spell of the Supreme Court chamber and shift left like many before him.
This is the best and most concise statement of how I see it working out under Romney and Giuliani both. Not overtly leftist freaks but ... guys that will end up on the left most of the time when they are appointed. Guys the left praise as "centrist" which actually means "mostly leftist." Think Sandra Day O'Connor. Posted by: Christopher Taylor at January 23, 2008 06:59 PM (hfyfI) 29
McCain has a track record - he almost certainly will not appoint any conservative judges. On the other hand Romney might appoint some conservatives. So that alone puts him ahead of McCain. Somehow I'm less than comforted by that contention. Fact is, we don't know that either of them would appoint conservative judges- McCain did vote for Bork, and with regards to spending and growth of government is almost certainly more conservative than Romney- even if that's not exactly a high bar to clear. Bah, doesn't matter anyways- I ain't voting for either one of the douches anyhow. Posted by: Hollowpoint at January 23, 2008 07:00 PM (plsiE) 30
FWIW, I think that neither Rudy or Romney would let conservatives down - they would remember who elected them, and they'd also remember who attacked them. Or to put it another way, I think that, unlike McCain over the past several years, they'd stay loyal to their friends and not to their enemies. Posted by: maxxman at January 23, 2008 07:41 PM (OYeDg) 31
I will NEVER vote for that mutherfucker. If Johnny-boy had half the sense of honor that his dad and granddad had he'd go home, pour himself a stiff one, and do the honorable thing. The shit he's done to better people than himself is a disgrace. From his abandonment of fellow MIA/POWs in Viet-Nam to stabbing the Republican plan to get the courts under control(Gang of 14) in the back. This corrupt bastard(Keating 5) doesn't deserve to be walking free much less be a Senator. Anyone who votes for this dickbag should have their head examined. Go ahead and gasp at the language I've used but Johnny Mac has sold us out time and agian. From limiting free speech, to trying to take more of my meager paycheck, to trying to give amnesty to La Raza and their friends. Fuck him. The country would be better off without him. Posted by: Don Carne at January 23, 2008 07:48 PM (wSNS7) 32
Give the man some credit. Senator McKeating preserved the filibuster so that the GOP minority could use it to block President McKeating's left-wing judicial nominees.
Posted by: Raoul Ortega at January 23, 2008 08:10 PM (xuymE) 33
#31 Don Carne. You have summed up my sentiments for McShamnasty. Well done! RightwingSparkle probably has a case of the vapors about now....
Posted by: RWB at January 23, 2008 09:18 PM (MKxON) 34
Romney is a flop-flopper with his finger in the wind. That means he'll
appoint conservative judges if we ride his ass hard enough.
McCain is a man of principle who fearlessly stands up for what he believes, and what he believes is that CFR is the shit. That means he'll appoint O'Connor-like judges come hell or high water. The choice is clear. Posted by: schizoid at January 23, 2008 09:25 PM (KR4bJ) 35
Here's a more accurate equation: Ted Olson + Miguel Estrada = Campaign stunt. You know, Hollowpoint, we can all makes guesses. But I've followed the careers of Olson and Estrada -- have met both, for whatever that's worth -- and I consider that more than a campaign stunt. I'm not getting into any arguments about it. You've made up your mind. But I think I'm right. Posted by: Attila (Pillage Idiot) at January 23, 2008 10:28 PM (ZaM5Y) 36
If it's McCain vs a Democrat, I'll sit it out or maybe vote Democrat. As others have said, if the country's going to hell, it may as well be the Democrats who get the blame.
(I live in Massachusetts, so it doesn't really matter what I do.) Posted by: qrstuv at January 23, 2008 10:29 PM (ZzZmQ) 37
When a liberal D wins and and things go to shit, the R's say the D was too liberal and the people agree. When a liberal R wins and things go to shit, the D's say the R was *not liberal enough* and the people agree.
Posted by: schizoid at January 23, 2008 10:47 PM (KR4bJ) 38
The problem with all this "let the D's take the blame" bullshit is they don't. That's the beauty ugly of having the MSM "frame the conversation". Whenever there's blame it's either cast upon all politicians ("damn those Washington insiders") or the blame goes to Republicans alone. Haven't you been paying attention these last 40 years? Look, do you want two Sandra Day O'Conner type judges appointed in 2009 or do you want two more Ruth Bader Ginsberg type judges? When you don't even ask yourself questions like that, that's when I call you too emotional about politics. Bunch of little girls, you are. Politics is not a game. You are never going to "win" it. Posted by: klrtz1 at January 24, 2008 09:19 AM (Rym4e) 39
Look, do you want two Sandra Day O'Conner type judges appointed in 2009
or do you want two more Ruth Bader Ginsberg type judges? When you
don't even ask yourself questions like that, that's when I call you too
emotional about politics. Bunch of little girls, you are.
Right, so lets look at the good questions. Lets look at spending. Clinton, wanted to really hike up spending, f*** up medicare, and generally spend every penny he could make... and Republicans blocked him in Congress. Bush, wanted to really hike up spending, f*** up medicare, and generally spend every penny he could make... and Republicans supported him because of the (R) after his name. So if you're going to rely on Congress doing anything useful, and you elect a (R) you'd better damn well be sure he's fiscally Conservative, or else the real effect is a crapload more spending that would pass with a Democrat trying the same thing. 1) Elect a Conservative (R), get conservative action from (R) in Congress. 2) Elect a Dem, get conservative action from (R) in Congress. 3) Elect a Liberal (R), get liberal action from everyone in Congress. How exactly is option 3 the good one again? Seeing as all spending bills start in the House (not the President), bills are proposed and voted for in Congress (not the President)... why should we f*** up Congress for another 4 years, while also getting a President we're not happy with? Letting the Democrats have the Presidency damn sure isn't a "win", so its obvious someone knows we can't "win" the game of politics. So using that clever little bumper sticker slogan seems stupid. But some of us are looking at the best way to keep Conservative policies working, while others are just voting for a (R) without any damn worry whatsoever about what that (R) is promoting/supporting. Which is logical, and which is an emotional little girl? Well, the one ignoring facts and reality, not working for a goal, but just supporting the party name come what may... that doesn't really sound like logic, does it Barbie? Posted by: Gekkobear at January 24, 2008 01:22 PM (X0NX1) 40
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Democratic Forays into Erotica New Shows On Gore's DNC/MTV Network Nicknames for Potatoes, By People Who Really Hate Potatoes Star Wars Euphemisms for Self-Abuse Signs You're at an Iraqi "Wedding Party" Signs Your Clown Has Gone Bad Signs That You, Geroge Michael, Should Probably Just Give It Up Signs of Hip-Hop Influence on John Kerry NYT Headlines Spinning Bush's Jobs Boom Things People Are More Likely to Say Than "Did You Hear What Al Franken Said Yesterday?" Signs that Paul Krugman Has Lost His Frickin' Mind All-Time Best NBA Players, According to Senator Robert Byrd Other Bad Things About the Jews, According to the Koran Signs That David Letterman Just Doesn't Care Anymore Examples of Bob Kerrey's Insufferable Racial Jackassery Signs Andy Rooney Is Going Senile Other Judgments Dick Clarke Made About Condi Rice Based on Her Appearance Collective Names for Groups of People John Kerry's Other Vietnam Super-Pets Cool Things About the XM8 Assault Rifle Media-Approved Facts About the Democrat Spy Changes to Make Christianity More "Inclusive" Secret John Kerry Senatorial Accomplishments John Edwards Campaign Excuses John Kerry Pick-Up Lines Changes Liberal Senator George Michell Will Make at Disney Torments in Dog-Hell Greatest Hitjobs
The Ace of Spades HQ Sex-for-Money Skankathon A D&D Guide to the Democratic Candidates Margaret Cho: Just Not Funny More Margaret Cho Abuse Margaret Cho: Still Not Funny Iraqi Prisoner Claims He Was Raped... By Woman Wonkette Announces "Morning Zoo" Format John Kerry's "Plan" Causes Surrender of Moqtada al-Sadr's Militia World Muslim Leaders Apologize for Nick Berg's Beheading Michael Moore Goes on Lunchtime Manhattan Death-Spree Milestone: Oliver Willis Posts 400th "Fake News Article" Referencing Britney Spears Liberal Economists Rue a "New Decade of Greed" Artificial Insouciance: Maureen Dowd's Word Processor Revolts Against Her Numbing Imbecility Intelligence Officials Eye Blogs for Tips They Done Found Us Out, Cletus: Intrepid Internet Detective Figures Out Our Master Plan Shock: Josh Marshall Almost Mentions Sarin Discovery in Iraq Leather-Clad Biker Freaks Terrorize Australian Town When Clinton Was President, Torture Was Cool What Wonkette Means When She Explains What Tina Brown Means Wonkette's Stand-Up Act Wankette HQ Gay-Rumors Du Jour Here's What's Bugging Me: Goose and Slider My Own Micah Wright Style Confession of Dishonesty Outraged "Conservatives" React to the FMA An On-Line Impression of Dennis Miller Having Sex with a Kodiak Bear The Story the Rightwing Media Refuses to Report! Our Lunch with David "Glengarry Glen Ross" Mamet The House of Love: Paul Krugman A Michael Moore Mystery (TM) The Dowd-O-Matic! Liberal Consistency and Other Myths Kepler's Laws of Liberal Media Bias John Kerry-- The Splunge! Candidate "Divisive" Politics & "Attacks on Patriotism" (very long) The Donkey ("The Raven" parody) News/Chat
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