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Cloverfield Review *No Spoilers*

It was good. It was very tense. I cared about the characters. The camera shook a lot. (Lots and lots and lots.) It was short.

Possible spoiler: a monster attacks Manhattan.

I'm not sure I'm up to writing a full review. Maybe tomorrow.

Later: Okay, I still can't sleep, which means it's time for a review. This will be spoiler-free, but I'm tucking it into the extended entry anyways. Also, be aware that there are already some spoilers in the comments and a great big honkin spoilery review from TheEJS. He colored it white so folks could have the option of not looking at it, but it still kinda shows.

Not Godzilla 2008:I'll start with some general observations of what this movie is not. It is not an action/adventure flick. The good guys don't all get knocked out of their daily lives by events, find their way together, hatch a plan, and take on the antagonist while developing meaningful (but superficial) relationships with each other. There are no amusing one-liners, no sweeping orchestral cues, and no heroes.

Instead, the movie is completely character-driven, an actual science-fiction drama in the first person. By first person, I mean what you've already heard about the "shakycam." The film is entirely shown through the lens of a hand-held camera that the characters keep with them. (More on this later.) Which means the audience's information is limited to that which is possessed by the characters...on the ground in the middle of a disaster. In other words, there are unanswered questions here.

What this means is that this movie is probably not a good choice for 10 to 14 year-old boys, like the ones sitting next to us in the theater. During the movie and especially at the end they were confused and upset. This wasn't the updated Godzilla that they wanted to see. In their eyes there was too much talky, not enough killy. And not enough explanation.

Characters & Setting: The first fifteen minutes are spent introducing the main characters in what I think is a pretty novel manner. I doesn't feel gimmicky at all that they're dragging this camera around and pushing it in everyone's face before the monster strikes. Without spoiling anything (although there's really not much to spoil here), I'll just say that they do a very good job of telling us who the important people are and their important character traits. Even here, the principle is "always leave them wanting more," something that this movie does over and over again by choosing to leave some things unsaid. No clunky exposition here.

I suspect that these first few minutes are also intended to acclimate the viewer to the shakycam. To some extent that works, but I have to admit that I never really got over the distraction even though we were sitting several rows back from where we normally would. There were parts where I wanted to yell at the guy holding the camera to straighten up and stop squirreling around; and that's when they're not running and screaming their way across the city. I can't imagine how difficult it would be to watch this film from the front row.

Speaking of the city, she is as beautiful as ever. She is also recognizable throughout. Unlike some films ostensibly set in NYC, folks familiar with Manhattan will never feel lost in this film (except when the characters do). As you've seen from the trailers, yes, the Statute of Liberty gets its head ripped off. As you've read here at AOSHQ and elsewhere, there are a few scenes that strongly recall 9/11. Of course, this is a monster movie in New York, which means it's knocking buildings down and people are running through the streets bleeding and confused. I will admit that these scenes are probably more terrible now than they would have been before. But that's just because we are (or at least I am) still a little messed up about that day.

The Antagonist: The monster looked and sounded great. I was pleased that, though they don't come right out and show you the whole thing immediately, they don't tease the viewer for too long. Very quickly after the attack begins, the characters get a good look at what they're facing.

Keeping in mind that nothing is explained about it...the monster itself may be the one big plot hole. It is simply unstoppable and invincible, as TheEJS describes in ALLCAPS rant below. You simply have to accept the fact that just shooting it with a tank isn't going to make it go away. If you can't get over that fact, you may be bothered throughout the movie.

And while I'm on the subject of plot holes and tanks, maybe one of the more knowledgeable morons will explain to me how an Abrams tank (probably more than one, but we see one clearly) finds itself on Manhattan in the middle of the night. Yes, the military has obviously been called in to take on the monster, but the bridges and tunnels were mostly out and blocked with fleeing people. It's my understanding that the M1A1 is too heavy to be lifted by helicopter and there are no runways on Manhattan. It did take me out of the movie for a minute when it shows up. Am I missing something obvious here?

The Atmosphere: This is a tense movie. There were a few points where my knees were shaking with combined shock and dread. And it's all done without a soundtrack to provide the normal emotional cues. The effect heightens the importance and significance of ambient noise and distant sounds. The fact that the point of view is so limited by the hand-held camera, especially in dark scenes, increases the creep-factor. (In the middle of the film, when some adjustments were being made by the characters to the camera, one person in my theater couldn't help but groan, "Oh, no.")

The one expository tool that helps it along is the use of TV news to get a bit of the bigger picture. There is almost a sense of relief (for the viewer and for the characters) when the characters get to stand, even for a few seconds, in front of a television and hear from the anchor what is going on elsewhere. It only happens twice (maybe three times?) in the film, but each time was well placed, I think, to keep the terror from getting too out of hand.

The Verdict: It was a good movie. I only felt knocked out of it a few times by the shakycam or possible plot difficulties (the tank), which is good for me. I usually can't help but get distracted by plot issues or problems with the setting or continuity errors in movies. None of that bothered me with this one, which means it's a rare gem. (Speaking of rare gems, go see Juno. Bring a teenager to translate for you.)

It gets an 8/10 from me.

Posted by: Gabriel Malor at 11:56 PM



Comments

1 I heard that the monster turns out to be Michael Moore going through sugar withdrawal.  *shudder*

Posted by: Kensington at January 19, 2008 12:03 AM (vhORJ)

2

I heard the monster did it.

Oopsies!

 

Posted by: The Little Heads at January 19, 2008 12:05 AM (FgxdU)

3

Err, that wuz me.

 

Posted by: Dogstar at January 19, 2008 12:06 AM (FgxdU)

4 Hey! Gabriel made a joke everybody!

Posted by: Kasper Hauser at January 19, 2008 12:09 AM (5s/dg)

5

Gabe,

Did you stay through the end of the credits? I've read a couple of reviews that say there's some kind of important sound clip that plays when they're done. One suggested people "go home and research it" another suggested it be recorded and played backwards. Hear anything like that?

Posted by: genghis at January 19, 2008 12:09 AM (HwY1l)

6

SPOILER: The monster is the Blair Witch

Oh, nevermind, the shitty camera work gave me motion sickness and flashbacks, carry on.

Posted by: TJ at January 19, 2008 12:10 AM (bbYGT)

7

4 Hey! Gabriel made a joke everybody!

He's from Oklahoma State University. Pokes aren't generally known for their wit.

Posted by: genghis at January 19, 2008 12:12 AM (HwY1l)

8 @genghis

Supposedly someone whispers "It's still alive" at the end of the credits.

Posted by: Serena at January 19, 2008 12:22 AM (tzX9X)

9

Uh...well I didn't want to know what was said (if that's what it really was), but just if it was true.

I'll forgive you....someday.

Posted by: genghis at January 19, 2008 12:38 AM (HwY1l)

10 If anyone has the urge to post spoilers, make your text for it in white, then people can highlight it if they want to know.

Posted by: genghis at January 19, 2008 12:44 AM (HwY1l)

11

Yeah there was something whispered right at the end (I stayed even though I've never heard about it) it might have been it's still alive, one theater worker (who apparently didn't like the movie) said that it said "this movie sux!" haha, very finny Mr Minimum Wage.

I loved it! Go see it!

Is it a spoiler to speculate that it's This Guy? From the HP Lovecraft stories?

Posted by: 5Cats at January 19, 2008 12:46 AM (Knaf0)

12 The movie was excellent. It will be the most copied genre movie since "The Matrix".

Anybody who like monster movies EVEN A LITTLE should see this.

And the less you know about the movie going in, the more fun it is.

Posted by: Arthur at January 19, 2008 12:46 AM (xefIo)

13 One word review:  nauseating.  I had to leave before the mayhem started.

(Not cause it sucked, but shakycamitis was terminal.)

They did show the Iron Man trailer, though, which would have been super-cool if I hadn't already seen the pirated copy on the internet months back.

Posted by: someone at January 19, 2008 12:52 AM (eCH82)

14 Monster stories are gay.

Posted by: Vampire: The Requiem at January 19, 2008 12:58 AM (NPxPp)

15

13 One word review:  nauseating.  I had to leave before the mayhem started.

I've read that more than once from reviews. Some people have even thrown up from the shakiness.

Others have said they showed the Star Trek 9 trailer.

Posted by: genghis at January 19, 2008 01:07 AM (HwY1l)

16 Crap, I really want to see this but I have a feeling that I'll be either leaving or utilizing the popcorn bag for other reasons if I watch it. 

Posted by: alexthechick at January 19, 2008 01:13 AM (ZG2QS)

17

There was a Star Trek trailer, but it was very short, more of a teaser.

The movie was amazing. I sat a little farther away than normal, which helped me get over the shakycam.  

Posted by: adolfo_velasquez at January 19, 2008 01:15 AM (S4c59)

18 I freakin' hate shakycam. Hate it.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at January 19, 2008 01:22 AM (hfyfI)

19

By the way, the shakycam doesn't seem like the fake shakycam that cop dramas like to do. It's just shot entirely on handheld video, much like the footage of any natural disaster. To me, it made the movie more real - less Hollywood.

It wasn't until I got home that I started to pick out the few scenes that felt staged.

Posted by: adolfo_velasquez at January 19, 2008 01:25 AM (S4c59)

20 For the sequel: More monster, less 20somethings

Posted by: Ted K. at January 19, 2008 01:26 AM (5BNAB)

21 "Others have said they showed the Star Trek 9 trailer."

They did, though it doesn't show any actors.  And Lost commercials too (though this may have been theater-specific).

I'm sorta surprised they didn't throw in Alias DVD set ads as well...

"Crap, I really want to see this but I have a feeling that I'll be either leaving or utilizing the popcorn bag for other reasons if I watch it."

Let's just say if you have any problem with FPS games, this isn't the movie for you...

This is the first time I've had to bail early since Blair Witch.  It's too bad, I'm sure to be spoilerized before I can see it on Blu-Ray or whatever.

Posted by: someone at January 19, 2008 01:27 AM (eCH82)

22 "It's just shot entirely on handheld video, much like the footage of any natural disaster."

More to the point -- 9/11.

From the trailer, the real cinematic antecedent of this movie looked to be the Naudet brothers' movie.

Am I wrong?

Posted by: someone at January 19, 2008 01:32 AM (eCH82)

23

My understanding is that you're not going for the plot, you're going for the ride.

And it's really designed to appeal to a YouTube-based culture.

Posted by: genghis at January 19, 2008 01:39 AM (HwY1l)

24

More to the point -- 9/11.

The asshole reviewer from Time had to inject politics into it about 9/11. Look for more of that from the more leftish reviews/comments.

Posted by: genghis at January 19, 2008 01:44 AM (HwY1l)

25

Well, I definitely see the parallel to 9/11, but that wasn't a bad thing.

Sci-fi/Horror fiction always captures the fear of the time. Since Hollywood refuses to actually make a film about Muslim terrorists, we get analogies like Cloverfield, instead.

 

Posted by: adolfo_velasquez at January 19, 2008 01:55 AM (S4c59)

26

The Time guy made it out to be a bad thing (at least it seemed to me). We're supposed to forget such things you know...can't have those types of memories evoked. He took a gratuitous swipe at "Flight 93" in the process.

(at least I think it was the Time reviewer...I'll need to doublecheck...he gave it a bad review regardless)

Posted by: genghis at January 19, 2008 02:19 AM (HwY1l)

27

Yeah there was one scene in particular (and another 2-3 more indirectly) that simply screamed 9/11, but in that good way! Of course if the MSM wags start ragging on it that's " in that bad way".

Really, super good monster film, excellent human intrest film, zero politics (unless you count heroic soldiers as being political, which is just stuopid).

It turns out the monsters were these guys! (is funny, not spoiler)

Posted by: 5Cats at January 19, 2008 02:22 AM (Knaf0)

28 I think I'll believe the [url="http://www.libertyfilmfestival.com/libertas/?p=8266"]Libertas review[/url].  Short version:  Burn your money instead.

Posted by: jrl at January 19, 2008 02:28 AM (h37S5)

29

Shaking camera has been a deal breaker for at least 10 years. It indicates extreme directorial hatred of me.

OT: I just started up one of those internet t-shirt stores. It's supposed to be better quality than cafepress, but I haven't seen any of the actual shirts yet (I just put this up less than a minute ago actually) Anyway, it's shirts with a picture of Ron Paul, Nader, a big pot leaf, and it says "Pot makes you vote wrong".

http://www.printfection.com/peculiarshirts

Posted by: Dave M at January 19, 2008 02:54 AM (qSryx)

30

I'll write a review for you Malor:

Spoiler Alert:

B- to B. The beginning of the movie started with a nauseating fulfillment of a bunch of 20-30 year olds getting ready for the party. As the party is dying down, the "monster" attacks. I will be referring to this "monster" as "Godzilla", in reference to the 1998 movie (and I'll tell you why later on). Allusions to 9/11, though that's a Hollywood Chic (think Spielberg’s War of the Worlds).

Anyway, the plot moves along with a futile attempt at escape, only saved cause the main guy's girlfriend/not girlfriend/cocktease stops him. They go back into the city and immediately run into the US Military (looked like 82nd Airborne, not the expected 10th Mountain based in NY) with M270 Multiple Launcher Rocket System and M1 Abrams.

Now please excuse me while I rant: OK I GET THE FRAKKING CREATURE CAN'T HAVE IT'S SKIN PIERCED BY 120MM DEPLETED URANIUM OR ROCKETS, BUT IT'S GOT FREAKEN LUNGS AT THE TOP OF IT'S HEAD AND EYES! YOU'RE TELLING ME THAT HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF TONS OF HIGH EXPLOSIVES CAN'T RUPTURE THESE SOFT SPOTS THROUGH PRESSURE OR SHRAPNEL?!

Ok, back to the story, well it turns out this beasts has little parasites on it being referred to online as "lice" (though I think of them more of STD crabs). The group of friends has dwindled down to 4 people- Rob (main character), Lilly (Robb's now-dead brother's girlfriend), Hud (the video camera guy), and AngryDickSuck (who Hud has a crush on). Well unfortunately for ADS, Crabs carry some kind of explosive anti-hemoglobin parasites in their saliva, so when she get's bit she first bleeds from all orifices... and then explode.

In other words, she's defin my kind of girl. As Mr. Garrison said "I don't trust anything that bleeds for more than 5 days and doesn't die", she is the exception to the rule.

Back to the story, again. Rob get's to his love's/non-love's/whore-to-NYC's apartment and rescues her. When the attack happened, she got impaled on a metal barb sticking out. And apparently stayed conscious enough to make a phone call asking Rob to save her, yet did nothing to remedy her situation. Now I'm not saying she's weak, but when I was 10 I impaled my leg on a wooden board, yet pulled by leg out (the nerve endings were cut so I didn't feel anything and didn't realize the thing had gone in so deep).

Anyhoo, they all get to the military evac zone, trying to beat the inevitable "Hammerdown" protocol. Along the way we see a M109 Paladin get stomped by the beast. Excuse me for another rant: HOW THE FRAK CAN GODZILLA FREAKEN SQUISH A PALADIN YET STILL WALK ON THE STREETS OF NYC WITHOUT FALLING INTO SOME GODDAMN SUBWAY? OR BETTER YET- WHY THE FRAKKING GAY MILITARY OP NAME? AT LEAST 28 WEEKS LATER WITH "CODE RED" HAD HISTORY TO BACK ITSELF UP (FALL ROT WITH THE GERMANS IN WWII).

Ok so after they are being evacuated, the best scene happens where a B2 drops 40,000 tonnes of kickass on the beast. After "thinking" the beast is dead, it jumps out and ATTACKS THE LONE HUEY! Out of all the actions, it decides why not be Rob's next cockblock. After the Huey crashes, Rob/Hud/Cocktease all get off the helo (surprise, pilots never made it!).

Hud looks up and *surprise* Godzilla is there, looking at him. The lungs are flaring on top, the eyes are big, and the skin looks as greasy as ever. Yeah, we then loose the only character we like- Hud, the 200 pound slightly retarded bitch of Rob.

Well, the first thing after seeing Hud's body on the ground for Rob is to take the video camera. After all, it's his. Rob and the stripper go underneath a bridge in Central Park and record their last words right before "Hammerdown", or what I'm calling, "Operation Hammertime". You know- starts off by screaming a lot, with a look of promise for something good, only to end up impregnating your girlfriend and becoming a heroin addict. THEY DIDN'T EVEN NUKE IT! What's the point of watching a movie about Godzilla if you don't nuke it.

And now the ending, just as disappointing as the beginning. Just like Godzilla starring Matthew Broderick, I felt I had just been bent over and raped with a white feather. Apparently all the military had to do was get Matthew Broderick and a Frenchman to drive a taxi to a bridge around NYC so that Godzilla could get tangled up, and then call in massive airstrike using F-18sE/F.

So, in other words, FREAKING DEPLETED URANIUM SHELLS WON'T WORK, BUT DROPPING BOMB AFTER BOMB WILL KILL THE CREATURE? I know that apparently if you stay through the credits you hear "it's not dead", but a) the govt went through the wreckage and found the recorder, so the creature must be dead and b) they didn't use thermonuclear weapons cause the camera wasn't killed too.

Which leads me to my last rant: THE CAMERA MADE IT THROUGH?! JESUS FREAKING CHRIST AND LACTATING SAINTS, HOLY MARY, WHY DIDN'T THE MILITARY TAKE THIS CAMERA AND FIRE IT AT THE "INVINCIBLE" GODZILLA? AND BECAUSE IT'S JJ ABRAMS, THE CAMERA WOULD'VE SURVIVED!

But I did give this a B- to B. The visuals were great, the story (mostly about NYC getting trashed) was ok if not already used, and it was short.

Moral of the story: DON'T GO WITH FREAKEN NYers IF THERE IS AN ATTACK BY GODZILLA! They don't even have guns!! Screw them all and drop the nuke!*

*Legal tells me I must make an exception for Ace, or at least say I'll try to send in a SAR bird

Posted by: TheEJS at January 19, 2008 03:19 AM (JyC8j)

31

Woah... that really is longer and not as invisible as I thought. Last point to my review: be as wasted as I am now when going to see the freaking Godzilla '08!

and don't run with scissors.

Posted by: TheEJS at January 19, 2008 03:20 AM (JyC8j)

32

EJS,

It's invisible...at least on my screen.

Posted by: genghis at January 19, 2008 03:40 AM (HwY1l)

33 Well, I'm pretty wasted (about a half bottle of Jack), but I liked the movie. I especially liked the perspective of the average schmuck rather than the renegade scientist or renegade operator, or renegade whatever. What then must we do? (Bonus points if you can name the movie that's from).

Posted by: gebrauchshund at January 19, 2008 03:55 AM (sqota)

34

I thought about going out to catch the midnight showing but I'm pretty heavy into the the grog myself. Plus, since it's the first night I didn't feel like freezing my ass off in a line that goes around the block. I want to see it on the biggest screen possible so I'm lucky we have one of the only remaining Cineramas left (I think there's only 2 or 3). Paul Allen bought it a few years ago and totally restored it. Cloverfield's not a Cinerama movie (they haven't made those in years), but they've still got a really big screen that drops in front of it.

Check this out: www.cinerama.com

Very sweet theater.

Posted by: genghis at January 19, 2008 04:06 AM (HwY1l)

35 Besides, there's a fascinating documentary about corn and corn products on The History Channel. And by fascinating I mean "I have no fucking life."

Posted by: genghis at January 19, 2008 04:12 AM (HwY1l)

36

As I'm frakking following genghis into beyondness, though with Jim (if you can't afford Jack, Jim), I'm just going to tweak a couple of Malor's remarks, which were correct in generalized terms for the most part (besides I can't sleep for more than 2 hours right now):

Spoilers in White...ish.

Not Godzilla 2008

It is Godzilla 2008.

The good guys don't all get knocked out of their daily lives by events, find their way together, hatch a plan, and take on the antagonist while developing meaningful (but superficial) relationships with each other. There are no amusing one-liners, no sweeping orchestral cues, and no heroes.

The entire movie is that. It's about Rob finding his passion for Beth, and going to any extreme to save her. They do get knocked out of their daily lifestyle (parties and doing blow), they do hatch a plan to get to Beth, and they do take on the antagonist (at least the Crabs). They act "heroic" on the path to her.

Instead, the movie is completely character-driven, an actual science-fiction drama in the first person.

It's event driven. The characters in a lot of cases were thrown in as almost an afterthought, then the writers turned around and thought up creative ways to kill them.

In other words, there are unanswered questions here.

Yeah, like when is Hollywood going to do a movie with actual physics.

The first fifteen minutes are spent introducing the main characters in what I think is a pretty novel manner.

I felt I should vomit more than than right now. Though they got the names of the characters down fast, it was incredibly nausating to go through those scenees.

Speaking of the city, she is as beautiful as ever. She is also recognizable throughout. Unlike some films ostensibly set in NYC, folks familiar with Manhattan will never feel lost in this film (except when the characters do).

See I don't know Manhattan. I'm guessing that most people outside the belt from Boston-DC and LA area know of it. But, at least the timeframe seems plausible in relation to the civilian character movements.

Keeping in mind that nothing is explained about it...the monster itself may be the one big plot hole. It is simply unstoppable and invincible, as TheEJS describes in ALLCAPS rant below. You simply have to accept the fact that just shooting it with a tank isn't going to make it go away. If you can't get over that fact, you may be bothered throughout the movie.

Well Malor, jump to my exit question and you have a peek at your answer. All we know is that the government did move back into Central Park with search-and-rescue/recovery of the creature, and they found the videotape. Based on that, I'm going to say that the thing was eventually killed (though not by nuclear weapons). What I had a problem with is that the creature, like so many before it, have obvious weakpoint like the eyes or the lungs on top, yet the fire/pressure/shrapnel of the munitions spent didn't kill it.

Especially how if a Depleted Uranium SABOT round can't give me bleeding as opposed to non-penetrating JDAMS.

It's my understanding that the M1A1 is too heavy to be lifted by helicopter and there are no runways on Manhattan. It did take me out of the movie for a minute when it shows up. Am I missing something obvious here?

Malor as I pointed out, the units I saw were from 82nd Airborne. Correct me if you saw differently. Don't worry, not spoiling anything saying that. 82nd, as great as it is (yes, I am biased coming from a family of paratroopers), does not have M1A12s, MLRS (rockets), or M109 Paladins. And seeing how this movie takes place over 7 hours, only the 10th Mountain would've been able to respond (and I'm guessing nothing more than a brigade, or maybe 2 battalions). Basically this is for you what an "invincible" beast is for me- an insult to the viewer expecting to be naive.

The one expository tool that helps it along is the use of TV news to get a bit of the bigger picture.

One of the better uses of it. My favorite prop to use in any story (novel, game, movie) is the "outside" information, often delievered by the news (or as in Red Dawn, by the LtCol).

It gets an 8/10 from me.

So a "B" from you, too. Not a bad movie once you get around the improbabilities, but for 2008, an insult to an audience getting dynamically more involved in the details of the movie. That is why it is Godzilla 2008. I don't mean to sound incredibly pissed about the movie (I enjoy watching Godzilla with Broderick), but I could have waited for the DVD.

BTW Malor, did you see the splash in the ocean at the end of the movie, when Rob/Beth are at Coney Island?

Posted by: TheEJS at January 19, 2008 05:58 AM (JyC8j)

37

I never understood why people hate the '98 Godzilla so much. It wasn't cream-in-my-pants great by any stretch, but it wasn't horrible either. I don't know what everyone was expecting...maybe too much?

But in my world, the whispering sound clip at the end of Cloverfield will be the monster saying "Godzilla, you are my bitch." 

In the sequel, the lice can fight Godzilla's offspring while the behemoths go at it.

Posted by: genghis at January 19, 2008 09:32 AM (HwY1l)

38

How could you get tanks over to Manhattan?  Hovercraft.

http://en.wikivisual.com/images/7/7d/USN_hovercraft.jpg

 

 

Posted by: Brass at January 19, 2008 09:48 AM (v/Ofr)

39 You don't need hovercraft -- there's a National Guard armory actually on the island. It's somewhere on the Lower West Side -- I'll try to find the citation around here somewhere. But an NG Armory would have Hummvees and trucks and probably Bradleys and Abrams as well. Not TOO many tanks, probably, but still.

Was it the older M1 Abrams with the 105mm gun? The Guard got handed down those when the regular Army went to the M1A1. If so, way cool detail catch.

Posted by: Steve Johnson at January 19, 2008 09:58 AM (GnTZH)

40 you're right though, an M1A1 is too heavy to airlift with anything except a C5 or a C17 (C5 can carry 2, C17 just one I think)

Posted by: Dave in Texas at January 19, 2008 10:18 AM (pzen5)

41

How could you get tanks over to Manhattan?  Hovercraft.

Or catapults.

Good morning, Dave. And also...good night.

Posted by: genghis at January 19, 2008 11:02 AM (HwY1l)

42 42nd Infantry Division (NYARNG) used to have a Cav squadron right there in the city, before they were reorganized (FYI, my unit fell under the 42nd in OIF-III and I doubt they could even hit a monster), but that isn't the question.  The question is where would they get the live rounds?  The closest place would probably be Ft. Dix and it would take a prety good while to get someone out there to open the vaults, and then you would have to get the rounds to the city (though you could probably fly them up in an hour or so).  I'm thinking they couldn't get the tanks in action in under 4 hours even if everything went perfectly. 

Posted by: CavMedic at January 19, 2008 11:24 AM (rYFmu)

43

I havent seen Cloverfield yet- i'll catch it on dvd this spring, probably. But the 'shaky camera' complaints dont bother me. Everyone said "Bourne Ultimatum" shaky camera would give me the heebie-jeebies, and that wasn't the case.

And I think if viewers get too bogged down in a movie's logic (tanks in Manhattan, etc) it takes away from the entertainment. It's a movie. Have fun. There were tanks nearby and the Army did what they could.

Posted by: Barry in CO at January 19, 2008 12:00 PM (KOkrW)

44 explain to me how an Abrams tank (probably more than one, but we see one clearly) finds itself on Manhattan in the middle of the night.

Air drop it into Central Park from a C17?

Posted by: The Rat King at January 19, 2008 12:15 PM (gQ8qc)

45

How did they get the tanks & live ammo into Manhattan in time to fight the monster, if the movie takes place in seven hours of "real time"?

 

Simple.  The Jews knew the monster was coming a full week before it showed up, so they ordered Bloomberg & Spitzer to mobilize the Army to protect all their commercial interests in Manhattan.  I haven't seen it yet (maybe tonight), but I'd be willing to bet that you don't see a single diamond exchange or bagel store destroyed by the monster or it's "lice", right?

 

Plus, all the soldiers in the movie?  If you look closely, you'll see that they're all wearing yarmulkes.

Posted by: Russ from Winterset at January 19, 2008 12:23 PM (dyz/7)

46 Russ, that are so wrong I don't ever want you to be right again.

Posted by: Vercingetorix at January 19, 2008 12:42 PM (znBG2)

47 Godzilla sucked because they changed the monster so much without cause. And because it dodged missiles moving several times the speed of sound.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at January 19, 2008 12:50 PM (hfyfI)

48 The studio must be aware of Cloverfield's weaknesses as a potential blockbuster/franchise.

After the movie, they were handing out critique sheets from the studio. The questions about Cloverfield (some were about the trailers/upcoming movies!) showed that they are acutely aware of the "problems": ie, "shaky cam", lack of concrete information and traditional storyline, ratio of talk to action, lack of clear monster reveal.

Also the people filling out the forms were the people most pissed off about the movie. Mostly, they were teens/20s and mostly they were fat chicks with sullen, skinny boyfriends. Sociological study anyone?

Expect "Cloverfield 2" to hit the sweetspot for that underserved demographic, the fat chick.

My own review?

Great concept, great story, great moments, truly awesome special effects. "Shaky" execution. By the end of the movie I was feeling nauseous.

Also, there were "not quite behaving like human beings" problems generated by the use of a video cam as our sole viewpoint. Especially, during moments directly relating to the monster.


****CAUTION- VERY, VERY MINOR SPOILERS****
Like when they were on top of the building and the camera swings out to reveal the monster a few blocks away. Who wouldn't watch that for at least a few seconds? Since they were in no direct danger? Or when we clearly see the monster's face. Who wouldn't be running away like hell? There are other "should be running away like hell" moments where the camera was used to show us things a guy concerned with saving his skin wouldn't be looking at.
However, the subway scene and following sequence was excellent. Maybe the best part of the movie.
*******VERY VERY MINOR SPOILERS OFF*******


Using a steadycam for character POV throughout the movie would've given us almost the same effect and not been so unpleasant to watch. Even though I enjoyed the movie, I'm not sure I would recommend it unconditionally as a big screen experience. It might work better as a DVD rental. Especially if you get sea sick.

Given the number of pissed off teens/20s after the movie, I expect word of mouth to kill the box office and maybe the franchise.

Posted by: rinseandspit at January 19, 2008 01:16 PM (5ksba)

49 EJS - who says the camera survived? The govt. got the SD Memory chip from the camera. Note that after the 2005 tsunami there was a recovered recording showing the inbound wave that killed the camera holder. Camera trashed - chip found (weeks? months?) later and worked just fine.

Posted by: Arthur at January 19, 2008 01:21 PM (5i7dR)

50

I think the movie will break the 100 mil box office requirement and there will definitely be a sequel. Also, all you 'kids' that couldn't handle the shaky-cam system probably don't even have the stomach for a roller coaster. The cam setup didn't bother me or my friends in the slightest. It added definite realism and gave me a sick to my stomach feeling only watching the buildings crash as it felt like 9/11.

I give the movie an 8-9 out of 10 and definitely will look forward to the sequel.

Posted by: NJRob at January 19, 2008 01:40 PM (XWJh5)

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Nah, I loves me some rollercoasters. Don't get seasick, etc. But in our group 3of4 were feeling slightly nauseous after the movie. And we loved the movie.

I hope you're right about the box office/sequel. But, man, this is one of the few movies where I've walked out and practically everyone around me is talking loudly about how much it sucked and filling out forms then bragging about how they wrote down how much it sucked.

Posted by: rinseandspit at January 19, 2008 01:53 PM (5ksba)

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rinseandspit,

This is one of those movies that will divide crowds right down the line between love and hate, kind of like politics. I also believe that many of the teenagers that go to see the movie will not like it because it doesn't give away the answers. They want everything handed to them so they don't have to think. That's why kids love the Saw movies; it gives away the answers at the end so the viewer doesn't have to piece it togther for themselves.

This movie leaves alot to speculation and debate, which is JJ Abrams policy. Either way, this movie will leave alot of people arguing about what happened, whether it was good, and what worked/didn't work. All of which will lead to people seeing it... box office success.

 

Posted by: NJRob at January 19, 2008 02:22 PM (XWJh5)

53

This movie leaves alot to speculation and debate, which is JJ Abrams policy. Either way, this movie will leave alot of people arguing about what happened, whether it was good, and what worked/didn't work. All of which will lead to people seeing it... box office success.


I agree that it will be successful, but when this movie was over there was silence in he theater. The people watching didn't know what to say about it. And as people were filing out there was hardly no talking except for the 10-14 year-old boys who were in actual mental distress.

Posted by: Gabriel Malor at January 19, 2008 02:53 PM (1Ug6U)

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Was it the older M1 Abrams with the 105mm gun? The Guard got handed down those when the regular Army went to the M1A1. If so, way cool detail catch.

Original M1 Abrams had 105mm, before 1985 when M1A1 came out with 120mm. Even if the ANG had M1A1s on Manhattan, I doubt though they would get MLRS and M109s in factory-perfect condition.

EJS - who says the camera survived?

Cause the camera was still rolling, even after it was buried and Rob/Beth were turned to Rice Cripsy Treats.

FYI, my unit fell under the 42nd in OIF-III and I doubt they could even hit a monster

Thanks for the timeline CavMedic. More I think about it, the less I find NYANG or 10th Mountain being able to deploy in force like that (going back to original drunken statement, maybe a composite battalion or two in 7 hours). But unless I was mistaken, the unit in the movie was 82nd ABN (as it seems to be every movie).

 

Posted by: TheEJS at January 19, 2008 03:01 PM (JyC8j)

55 Shaky cam assaults people stomachs for the same reason reading in a car does. Motion without corresponding visual cues, or in reverse, visual cues without motion. Your brain gets confused and can develop vertigo.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at January 19, 2008 03:35 PM (hfyfI)

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Got the same claustrophobic dread as in the first Alien, another dementedly sweet movie.

This one met expectations for sure, just a cool all around effort.

I don't see how they make a logical sequel...it's now just the military trying to blow that fuckin thing up, unless there are MORE of them...

SPOILER in white below...

the B2 coming in to drop some steel...one of the most awe inspiring scenes in the history of cinema IMO, incredible.


Posted by: E Buzz Miller at January 19, 2008 06:31 PM (v/XJX)

57 I remember what brought me out of the suspension of objective reality in the movie...

Being a physics geek and musician, I know that there is no way in the hell of Hillary that you can get the booms and heavy bassy thuds through the mic of a fucking camcorder.

Thankfully, the head of the SOL smashing into the ground brought me back to forgetting about that.

Posted by: E Buzz Miller at January 19, 2008 06:45 PM (v/XJX)

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Posted by: E Buzz Miller at January 19, 2008 06:50 PM (v/XJX)

59 I liked it!  But, boy, the crowd was certainly stunned into silence.  It was broken by one guy loudly saying "What the fuck did we just watch?!"  The whole audience laughed a "me too" laugh.

Saw the splash at the end and figured it was important.

You do have to leave your frontal lobes at home to accept the uselessness of the tanks, etc.  But, dude, it's a monster flick; real physics and biology are optional.

I give it 9 hobos out of ten.

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Posted by: eman at January 19, 2008 09:37 PM (8iSfZ)

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For me, the most unrealistic thing in the movie was not the big giant gila monster/crab/octopus thing smashing the city.  It wasn't the littler monster cooties biting people and making them explode.

It was that Rob had that hottie bagged and then never called her again.  My disbelief just don't get suspended that high.

Posted by: The Chief at January 20, 2008 08:18 AM (ljcCH)

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I saw a 69th Infantry Shoulder Sleeve Insignia on the arm of the Staff Sergeant who helps them out. On the 1-18-08 site they had a pic with Navy ships and Air Force A-10's attacking it. I'd assume the Army was already mobilized and just waiting for the monster to hit land.

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