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| The Place Where Optimism Flourishes MostThe ronulans drew attention this weekend when they swarmed the town clerk of Sutton, New Hampshire. Her crime? On the night of the primary, her office reported that Ron Paul received no votes. He actually received 31, as the corrected numbers showed the next day. This is luck at its worst. Screw up Rudy Giuliani's vote total. Or John McCain's. Or John Edwards's. Or Bill Richardson's. But never, ever get anything wrong when it comes to Paul and his voting tally. If you do, fans who shouted from the rooftops through the primary season will track you down and chew you out. "Most of the these people are not rational," Call said.People have deeply invested themselves in candidates this year. Look how much trouble the Reason people have had at turning away from Ron Paul. Look at how vociferous the Fredheads are. I don't know if it is because of the extra-long election season or perhaps because we haven't had a chance to fight like this in a while, but followers of the Republican contest for president are every bit as given to excess as sports fanatics. Ron Paul's supporters are the worst probably because they were already prone to flights of fancy. But as any of the moron-cobloggers will tell you, it doesn't get you anywhere to get in an argument with any committed voter at this point. Politics is personal and an insult to a candidate is an insult to his supporters. We just need to remember that after we've actually selected a candidate, we're all on the same side when it comes to beating the Democrats. Except for the ronulans. They can crawl back under the rock they came from. Comments1
We just need to remember that after we've actually selected a
candidate, we're all on the same side when it comes to beating the
Democrats.
What makes you thing that? If we pick McCain or Huckabee I'm switching to the Democratic side. Posted by: Kasper Hauser at January 14, 2008 12:08 PM (KeOQp) 2
Oh,,,,,and if we pick Ron Paul, I'm buying some guns for self-protection.
Posted by: Kasper Hauser at January 14, 2008 12:09 PM (KeOQp) 3
Uhm Gabriel, I believe it's the Romney supporters who get the nastiest. We Fredheads might cheerlead a wee bit too much, but the ugliest personal attacks I've seen have come from Romneyites.
Posted by: funky chicken at January 14, 2008 12:10 PM (I+jPP) 4
Her crime? On the night of the primary, her office reported that Ron
Paul received no votes. He actually received 31, as the corrected
numbers showed the next day.
I'm hardly a fan of either Paul or his army of zombies. But reporting votes correctly seems like an important matter, not the frivolity that Gabriel and the reporter seem to think it is. Posted by: JSinger at January 14, 2008 12:18 PM (EqFh0) 5
Beg to differ - If Shmuckabee is nominated then I will sleep in the morning of the 4th.
Posted by: Amaryllis at January 14, 2008 12:21 PM (JhlFi) 6
I don't know, Gabe. I think it's reasonable to expect the political apparatus to reliably report the results of the voting apparatus.
And I thinnk its reasonable for ANY minority candidates followers to be upset when the machine marginalizes them behond their already marginal status and outside official policy. Nor do I think it's a great idea to laugh at only 31 votes out 960. That's a hell of a lot bigger percentage than Bush won Florida by. Calling the ronulans on the extreme behavior is fine. There is no need to add a bunch of lousy reasoning to the mix, and I won't blame them for thinking it looks like the machine working against them. Posted by: LiveFreeOrDie at January 14, 2008 12:22 PM (iPnad) 7
We just need to remember that after we've actually selected a
candidate, we're all on the same side when it comes to beating the
Democrats.
Speak for yourself. Not voting for: McCain. Huckabee. Paul. I'll pull the lever for a Dem first. Posted by: krakatoa at January 14, 2008 12:35 PM (NxQnV) 8
Guys, the results were corrected immediately, no harm was done to Paul's delegate count. Calling the town clerk a "traitor" and subjecting her to endless tirades and threats via phone is not a "reasonable" response, LiveFreeOrDie.
Posted by: Gabriel Malor at January 14, 2008 12:36 PM (9MMEG) 9
Time for the only real Conservative...Fred Thompson
Posted by: frode at January 14, 2008 12:36 PM (TdgA9) 10
Except for the ronulans. They can crawl back under the rock they came from.
Maybe there's some gold down there. Posted by: Sean M. at January 14, 2008 12:36 PM (0U2lo) 11
Yeah, the only supporters I see getting very defensive and testy are Ron Paul and Huck fans. The Paultards we all know, but the Huck fans really get me. How can a self described conservative support him? "Well, he's pro life." Of course he is, so is Fred, Mitt, John, and Ron freaking Paul. "He's a Christian" So? Are we electing the Minister General or the President?"He seems like nice guy" Jimmy Carter.
Ughh...you can't reason someone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into to begin with. As a Fred man, I just can't get why people who like Mitt for his fiscal policy, Rudy for his defense policy, and Huck for his social views can't support a candidate who shares all of our views. So, yeah, not understanding why so called conservatives won't support a real actual conservative might make me a little amazed at times. If that makes a vociferous raging fan then so be it. Posted by: Britt at January 14, 2008 12:37 PM (Ud0qa) 12
People have deeply invested themselves in candidates this year. Look how much trouble the Reason people have had at turning away from Ron Paul. Look at how vociferous the Fredheads are. Oh for fuck's sake- enough with the Rontard = Fredhead comparisons already. No candidate's supporters come anywhere remotely close to the cultish insanity exhibited by the Paultards. Posted by: Hollowpoint at January 14, 2008 12:44 PM (rf03a) 13
BUG-EYED LOOK AT RON PAUL!
Posted by: Joe Mama at January 14, 2008 12:44 PM (0rl7n) 14
So, yeah, not understanding why so called conservatives won't support a real actual conservative He's my second choice at this time but the aggravation with the Fredheads for me is because you keep calling him the only actual conservative or the only true conservative and his record does not supprt that coronation. Posted by: polydyslexia at January 14, 2008 12:47 PM (m2CN7) 15
Except for the ronulans. They can crawl back under the rock they came from. Seems pretty polite to me. How about they sod off, or whatever the brits say. Posted by: Mephitis at January 14, 2008 12:47 PM (H7yeS) 16
8 Guys, the results were corrected immediately, no harm was done to Paul's delegate count. Calling the town clerk a "traitor" and subjecting her to endless tirades and threats via phone is not a "reasonable" response, LiveFreeOrDie. I agree with Gabe here. I've seen a lot worse election malfeasance and both Paul and his supporters are so batshit crazy and malignant that it's hard to treat them with anything other than utter contempt, even on that rare occasion when they're right about something. Broken clock, etc. etc.... Posted by: genghis at January 14, 2008 12:47 PM (HwY1l) 17
A mistake was made and corrected. But the Ronulan bots go scary crazy anyway. Saying they were not rational is a huge understatement. Posted by: Vote for None of the Above at January 14, 2008 12:55 PM (DLGeX) 18
The paulbots are exactly what everyone thought they were:
http://revolusion2008.blogspot.com/2008/01/conscience-of-ron-paul-supporter.html Posted by: bleh at January 14, 2008 01:01 PM (/InkS) 19
Guys, the results were corrected immediately, no harm was done to Paul's delegate count.
Maybe I misunderstood the story, but weren't the results corrected as a result of the Paulestinians' pointing out the problem? I'm not excusing their behavior, but the "Hey, mistakes happen so don't get bent out of shape!" tone of the article doesn't appeal to me either. Posted by: JSinger at January 14, 2008 01:16 PM (EqFh0) 20
We just need to remember that after we've actually selected a
candidate, we're all on the same side when it comes to beating the
Democrats.
What do you mean 'we' kemosabe? I'm a conservative. If the Republicans nominate McAmnesty or Huckacarter, I'm just sending a big check to the NRA and jumping on the Jindal 2012 bandwagon. Posted by: V the K at January 14, 2008 01:29 PM (PLvLS) 21
"Except for the ronulans. They can crawl back under the rock they came from." Yes, thank you; fuck Ron Paul and his Paultry apPauling Guy Fawkes-worshipping dummy Paultard nutjobs. Fuck them in their fucking asses. All of them. No exceptions. Re Huckabee: Jimmy Carter has never seemed like a nice guy to me; he's always seemed like a smarmy little self-important cretin. And fuck Huckabee, too! Posted by: Kensington at January 14, 2008 01:39 PM (kFwRi) 22
From my favorite internet cartoonist XKCD, the perfect summary of Ron Paulism:
http://www.xkcd.com/367/ Posted by: Jeff B. at January 14, 2008 01:47 PM (oRT5o) 23
Mistakes involving the counting of votes is inexcusable.I'm no Ron Paul supporter but come on,they only had 900 votes to count.How incompetent can you be when you are doing the MOST IMPORTANT JOB that you have half ass. "but weren't the results corrected as a result of the Paulestinians' pointing out the problem?" JSinger.Exactly.Somebody should be held responsible for this,it is IMO inexcusable.Too many Americans already have no confidence in our elected officials to hold honest elections.This does'nt help. Posted by: Tim Oliver at January 14, 2008 01:53 PM (Z6ThE) 24
Nobody ever said schizophrenics can't be optimistic.
Posted by: funky chicken at January 14, 2008 01:59 PM (I+jPP) 25
Rare use of profanity by me: These people are fucking nuts. Seriously. Even when their relative sanity is mentioned in MSM blogs, they come out of the woodwork and assert their normalcy a little too strenuously... "I'm a small business owner, blah blah blah...." Tim Oliver, if this was a mistake that resulted in Paul's delegate count needing to be revised, it'd be one thing. But as mistakes go, this one was fairly benign and certainly doesn't justify the level of harassment this lady has received. I think the vitriol she's received is the result of pent-up frustrations from the Ronulans that the bought straw polls and internet poll spamming ended up being for naught. Posted by: John Tant at January 14, 2008 02:11 PM (tVWQB) 26
How incompetent can you be when you are doing the MOST IMPORTANT JOB that you have half ass. Really? I thought they did a pretty good job. I work for TSA, and most of the time, I forget to wear pants. Posted by: Typical Government Employee at January 14, 2008 02:14 PM (gQ+XA) 27
He's my second choice at this time but the aggravation with the
Fredheads for me is because you keep calling him the only actual
conservative or the only true conservative and his record does not
supprt that coronation. The most conservative then. He does have the most conservative record and his positions and statements are very clear. You cannot argue that anyone in the race is more conservative then Fred Thompson. If it is fanatical and inappropriate to back a candidate who's views so closely match my own, then I guess I'm an inappropriate fanatic. Posted by: Britt at January 14, 2008 02:15 PM (Ud0qa) 28
Also, I love some of the recounted statements in the article:
A man from Texas e-mailed that he was "contacting, by certified mail, the Attorney General of New Hampshire . . . and requesting a complete investigation and prosecution of any and all parties involved."
Oh no....CERTIFIED MAIL?!? The Attorney General's office probably NEVER gets certified mail! That such extravagant means were used to send a request will give it all kinds of gravitas!
Posted by: John Tant at January 14, 2008 02:22 PM (PFy0L) 29
Yeah, ok Gabe. Really, from the standpoin tthat it was corrected immeadiately.
But I didn't say their response was reasonable. Really, I didn't. Go look at it again. I said it's reasonable to be upset when if you candidate is short changed. More importantly, I think its reasonable to be upset when an article rips on the ronulans behavior - with legitimate points - but throws a bunch of lousy points into the mix. Like this: "Paul actually got a whopping 31 votes. Out of 920 cast." That's a lousy point. Its wrong on a bunch of levels. Do you agree? Posted by: LiveFreeOrDie at January 14, 2008 02:37 PM (iPnad) 30
If it is fanatical and inappropriate to back a candidate who's views so closely match my own, then I guess I'm an inappropriate fanatic. You are getting close to paultard rhetoric. No one said you were fanatical or inappropriate for supporting Thompson. Posted by: polydyslexia at January 14, 2008 02:43 PM (m2CN7) 31
damn sockpuppet again.
Posted by: polynikes at January 14, 2008 02:44 PM (m2CN7) 32
LFOD, without a doubt, the author of the piece overused the snark. That's only unusual because it is a legacy media outfit. Had that been published in the blogosphere were sarcasm is SOP, no one would have batted an eye.
Posted by: Gabriel Malor at January 14, 2008 02:44 PM (9MMEG) Posted by: LiveFreeOrDie at January 14, 2008 02:50 PM (iPnad) 34
You are getting close to paultard rhetoric. No one said you were fanatical or inappropriate for supporting Thompson. Umm..... People have deeply invested themselves in candidates this year. Look how much trouble the Reason people have had at turning away from Ron Paul. Look at how vociferous the Fredheads are. See how he compared Paultards and Fredheads?Look, I'm not saying people are wrong to support their candidate of choice. I'm just saying that every conservative I've talked to has certain things they care about. Be it abortion, taxes, or the GWOT, we have different focuses. Again, speaking from personal experience, people are backing certain candidates based on their own issues of importance. GWOT people are backing McCain or Rudy. The fiscal cons are with Mitt, as are the ones who think that a moderate is the best choice this year. People who consider abortion to be their issue are with the Huckster. All I'm saying is that I find it quite puzzling that a candidate who can unite all these people because he does feel the same as they do is relegated to fourth place. Why? Because people just don't think he can win. Well, if the GWOT people, the economy people, and the social cons all rallied to the guy who covers them all, then he would win. But hey, the electorate is not mine to command. Please stop saying I have paultard like rhetoric. Paultards say "Well, I guess you just hate freedom" in response to any criticism of their candidate. It is the rightwing equivalent of "for the children" and has no place in what I like to call the Adult Political Party. Can we go back to watching the Dems call each other racist/sexist now? Posted by: Britt at January 14, 2008 02:54 PM (Ud0qa) 35
We just need to remember that after we've actually selected a candidate, we're all on the same side when it comes to beating the Democrats. If we can agree that Huckabee is also a Democrat, then yes, I'm ready to unite against the Democrats come November. Posted by: Terry Notus at January 14, 2008 02:57 PM (l58Hv) 36
"We just need to remember that after we've actually selected a
candidate, we're all on the same side when it comes to beating the
Democrats".
I would ask those of us here who are gonna stay home or vote Dem, if their particular candidate doesn't get the nod at the convention this: What is it about Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi that you like so much? The '06 elections are an excellent example of how staying home works. I know I look forward to having the dem crew appointing new Justices to The Nine Nazguls The Supreme Court. I will hold my friggin' nose and vote for whichever one of those RINO bastards that get nominated for that reason alone. Posted by: GrumpyUnk at January 14, 2008 03:29 PM (G3y5q) 37
A buddy of mine actually sent me an email asking me what I thought of the candidates. My response: Fred! has been my top choice, followed by Hunter and then Romney.I have a Fred '08 sticker on the back window of my car. It is my sincere hope that Fred can take South Carolina, and thus, keep the fire burning. I honestly think nobody is going to come out of the primaries with a clear majority. I think we're going to have a brokered convention, in which case it's anybody's guess who is going to win. As for the Dem side? I can say that I could very possibly live with the idea of Obama, in the sense that he's so inexperienced, he couldn't possibly get anything accomplished. Hillary, on the other hand, would be the worst possible thing our country could do. Oh, and anyone who votes for Ron Paul is INSANE. My friend turned out to be a Ronulan, and I got a two page email basically saying he never wanted to talk to me again and that I was a fascist and that the only man who could save America would win despite all the polls. This from someone I've known for 20 years. Yes, Ron Paul is insane, and so are his "people." Posted by: otcconan at January 14, 2008 03:31 PM (a6UdQ) 38
Don't know why I couldn't change the font there...anyway... What do you mean 'we' kemosabe? I'm a conservative. If the Republicans nominate McAmnesty or Huckacarter, I'm just sending a big check to the NRA and jumping on the Jindal 2012 bandwagon. You, sir, are absolutely on my wavelength. Provided (and I have full faith he will) that Jindal cleans up the absolute shambles Louisana has been left in by Blanco, he will be the ultimate Anti-Obama. Posted by: otcconan at January 14, 2008 03:36 PM (a6UdQ) 39
I agree that supporters of Fred Thompson are vocal but I can't see any rational comparison between them and Ron Paul supporters. That's just irresponsible.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at January 14, 2008 04:02 PM (hfyfI) 40
Second Christopher Taylor's comment.
Also, who clearly benefits from miscounting Ron Paul's votes? Mitt Romney. Posted by: Hugh Hewitt at January 14, 2008 04:59 PM (z6drm) 41
You guys all hate Paul cause he has a blimp and you don't
Posted by: john Ryan at January 14, 2008 05:06 PM (TcoRJ) 42
Oh yeah.... Go postal over some elections worker because Ron Paul didn't get 31 (count 'em, 31) extra votes to send his state wide tally to....62, or something like that. Yeah, whatever, way to play like the plug-uglies for the Know Nothings, dudes. I would rather vote for John McLame than Ron Paul, and I hate McCain for his open borders & "campaign reform" stances too.
Posted by: exdem13 at January 14, 2008 07:31 PM (RXDLd) 43
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