1 Good answer.

2 It isn't that the logic is twisted, it that the idea that political expression can cause harm is absurd.
Was it not Lord Blackwood himself who said "Stick and stones may break your bones, but names will never hurt you"? Plato?

3

Dear Ottowa:

Phuh Que, eh?

4

Well BRAVO!  I didn't know that there are any Canadians left with that much backbone.  Perhaps the Peoples Republic of Canuckistan has a small glimmer of hope left.

I am constantly in search of evidence of the existence of "The Remnant".  It is said that we will never know who makes up The Remnant but, I try anyhow.  It would give me a lot of hope to find someone like that.

If you liked this article/video, I recommend that you read an essay by Albert Jay Nock entitled "The Remnant".  Then you will also understand my point in this post.

5 The Candian InquisitionSomeone's mad about candy? What, See's or Whitmans?

6 Thanks Oregon. I bought a vowel.

7

OregonMuse:  You hit it exactly!

Coming soon to a bureaucracy near you.

8 The gentlemen is claiming an "inalienable right" to be offensive to Muslims.  Down here, we can base such claims on the First Amendment of our Constitution.  What does Canada have? Is there a body of case law that has been successfully argued in Canadian courts upon which The Western Standard and other publishers can stand?

9 My god.

Ezra Levant, Publisher of The Western Standard, has just become my Hero.

He has officially achieved Hero Status forever.

10

Fellow morons , lend me your keypads .

Ezra needs an Acealanche , Kate as well . This shit is out the fuck of control . If you are reading this young Gabriel M. , I'd like your thoughts on this , moron (me) to not so moron .

11 There is a Canadian woman (I forgot her name) who wrote a book objecting to gay parenting based on her own experiences. She also has a website or she posted her views on an American website and the Canadian Hate Speech Nazis are after, too.            

This is why the european international law models suck.  All these "human rights" courts/commissions who do nothing but promote leftard causes have the ultimate power to order retrials and huge fines against an individual or the government.

12 OregonMuse,

The Canadian Charter of Rights:

2. Everyone has the following fundamental freedoms:
a) freedom of conscience and religion;
b) freedom of thought, belief, opinion and expression, including freedom of the press and other media of communication;
c) freedom of peaceful assembly; and
d) freedom of association.That seems pretty clear.

13 OregonMuse,

From Levant's opening statement, printed over at David Frum's blog on National Review:

"The 1960 Canadian Bill of Rights guaranteed, quote

1. " human rights and fundamental freedoms, namely,

(c) freedom of religion; (d) freedom of speech; (e) freedom of assembly and association; and (f) freedom of the press.

In 1982, the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms guaranteed, quote:

2. Everyone has the following fundamental freedoms:

a) freedom of conscience and religion;

b) freedom of thought, belief, opinion and expression, including freedom of the press and other media of communication" "

and he cites other Canadian sources of his freedom as well.

14 That was the finest response I could have imagined. That made my week.

For anyone starting a Top Ten list for political commentary for 2008, that right there is number one. I bet it remains number one until the next list in '09.

15 1960? 1986?

That's the problem. Civil rights have not had enough time to take root in Canada.

16

. . . the Canadian Hate Speech Nazis are after her, too.   [Don't eat nachos when you type.]   

17

I heard Canada has it's own system of government, and currency.

 

That's cute.

18 It's even better the second time around... like an extra beer after a double pepperoni, thick crust pizza.

19

. If you are reading this young Gabriel M. , I'd like your thoughts on this , moron (me) to not so moron .

 

What , with your experience with international law , and all . With regards to Human Right Tribunals , and other masturbatory endeavours ....

 

20 Thanks to notropis and Drew.  Well, it seems pretty clear that Levant's publishing of the Evil Cartoons of Doom is covered by some pretty basic legal protections that are explicitly spelled out.

Clear to everyone, I guess, except the Canadian Human Rights Commission.

21 This made my day, my week, my month, my year.This fellow deserves special recognition. Great job. I can not tell you how happy this makes me.

22 Ezra lost his magazine The Western Standard  over this bullshit .

23 Intent = thought crime

How come not every newpaper in Canada is calling bullshit?

A lot of analysis, huh? Even if there is finding in his favor the damage is done in that it chills speech and causes people who don't kiss mohammed's butt $$$$ of legal costs.  Frankly, the commission/government should be fined and the money go to the Weekly Standard.

Oh, and how come people aren't in canada demonstrating with placards of the cartoons? That's what I would do.

24

Fighting over cartoons . . . did you ever think we'd see the day that something this stupid was undertaken by a religious group or by a government? 

Scary.

Great answers, Levant.  Thank you for defending the basic rights of freedom of speech and expression. 

p.s.  Courageous men are very sexy.

25

I'm sure she walked in there thinking that she'd just slip that question in there and he'd start trembling and begging for forgiveness, or at least put up the most meak of attempts at a defense.

What a shocker it must have been!

26 I dunno ... do you think we can haul in Grary Trudeau and question him over why he's been painfully UNFUNNY for thirty years?

I mean, we might as well try to find the positive in the coming inquisition.

But, that video was beautiful. What could Canada POSSIBLY say in response to his arguments?

27 Oh , and hey , for those of you who aren't paying attention to this bullshit , Mark Steyn is next in line .

28 Goddamn that was awesome.  I want to give that guy a high five and buy him drinks for the rest of the night.

Did you see the look on that fascist little twat's face?  That's the stuff, right there, baby. 

I love how he cut right through her bureaucratic mumbo-jumbo about the oh-so-complicated "process" of analyzing and weighing various factors ....blabetty blah blah.  That's the thing I hate most about those fucking people.  They try cast some legitimacy about their actions with all their double speak and bogus, ever-shifting rules when all they're really about is trying to control you.

29 C'mon Gabe ......

30 [big L] Liberal governments, Drew, not Labour. But spot-on otherwise, including our Left's condescension towards the "evil" U.S. (Just like your own Leftists'!)

31 I was going to support him, but then I found out he was a Joo!  He's obviously guilty, now.

32 andycanuck,

Thanks. I got so excited about being able to spell Labor with a 'u', I got the whole damn thing wrong.

33 That woman is strikingly similar to the character Dolores Umbridge from the Harry Potter series.

Did anybody else get that feeling.

34 You colour us with the wrong pen Dreow .

35 I have several Canadian friends and I've taken to laughing in their faces when they talk about how much better their country is.  That and asking them to pay me back for the whole providing the entirety of their military protection thing.

That was a thing of glory and needs to be broadcast far and wide. 

36 "The gentlemen is claiming an "inalienable right" to be offensive to Muslims.  Down here, we can base such claims on the First Amendment of our Constitution.  What does Canada have?"

See again the definition of "inalienable."  What that word should mean is that we have that right whether or not some government document grants it to us.

37 Or I should say, purports to grant us what we already have.

38

35

You have the wrong Canadian friends .

39

Heh. On a lighter note...

Hare Hare Yukai (Sunny Sunny Happiness)

And...

Some festival, in the middle of the fucking street in Tokyo.

I really need to go to Japan. Besides having a much larger quotient of grade A, LARP caliber NERDS, it's like the whole crazy ass country's on prozac and opiates. I can't imagine it ever rains.

40 Oh , and hey , for those of you who aren't paying attention to this bullshit , Mark Steyn is next in line .

Steyn ought to consult with Levant about what kind of questions were asked, etc., and then figure out the best way to get in some of his trademark zingers.

Oh, and insist on videotaping any interviews interrogations or hearings kangaroo-court proceedings and put 'em all up on youtube.

41 Bill D. Cat,

How would one contribute to help Ezra's or the Standard's cause? I tried to subscribe or find a link to make a donation (small as it might be) but found anything that would take money offline.

A) Is there a legal fund, and B) would they take dirty American money?

42

"a) freedom of conscience"

I could use some of that, mine has been killing me for years. 

43 Just found my write-in candidate if McCain gets the Republican nod.

44

By God, if I have any chance to do anything about it that man should never be able to pay for a drink anywhere in North America again.  We really should take up a collection towards that purpose.

He should be able to walk into any bar or club on the continenent and say, "I'm "Ezra Levant, Publisher of The Western Standard. Send my bar bill for the night the readers of the Ace of Spaces Blog."

Really. It's been a long, long time, but I think I'm in love.

 

 

 

 

45

How would one contribute to help Ezra's or the Standard's cause?

This is why I want Gabriels input . I do not understand these Human Rights Tribunals in Canada  .........as far as I can tell , all you need is a gripe...... the party making the gripe doesn't have to spend a dime . The party forewarding the gripe spends nothing . For the record , to the best of my knoweledge , no defendant has won one of these cases , ever .

46 I really really think Ezra should make out with me.

47

Joanie ,

 

When I don't post as Bill D. Cat ...... I'm Ezra ..... but only to my fiends .

48 This "freedom of thought, belief, opinion and expression" in Canada (and Europe) doesn't mean what Americans think it means.

49 FUCKING. AWESOME.

50
I’m not sure if going in front of these commissions and fighting these types of charges is such a good idea in that it recognizes their power.  Again, the threat of these commissions and the fact that defending yourself could bankrupt you even if you win is bullshit. And I don't think these laws are against the canadian charter. While we have the first amendment, it obviously doesn't allow some speech. The canadians have decided that speech such as "muslims suck" is akin to "Kill  Mohammend  Akbar who lives on 3rd and Alberta."

A quick check around the internet demonstrates that the canadian left  is against free speech. Lord, I hate leftards.

51 It's been a long, long time, but I think I'm in love.

Yeah. To paraphrase Harold Ramis in Stripes: I'm not gay, but I'm willing to learn.

Also, I love the look on the dumpy-looking government woman when he starts his opening statement. She just knows she's in for a mouthful and can't do anything about it.

52 Where's all the hippies having free concerts to support this cat? No marching, burning and looing in the streets to protest? Oh, he's a joooooo. I guess that legalized weed thing  can't get them out of mommies basement anymore. So free speech rights don't go for jooo non pot heads eh, hosers?

53

Chop Suey,

"And is one answer contrary to law?"

When she said,"No", He should have said," Then we are done here." and left.

Short of that: He kicked ass.

54

The Left everywhere is against free speech -- and Canadian government, from the pinnacle in Ottawa to the lowest apparatchiks, is entirely dominated by the Left. Even their notions of conservatism are tainted by it.

Ezra Levant is a very brave man. He's put himself in the path of a humorless, remorseless, punitive machine. We could use more of his sort here in America. Perhaps he and Mark Steyn can be persuaded to join us full-time, here in the Land of the Kinda-Sorta Free.

 

55
It's hard for me to believe that the validity of these tribunals has never been challenged in front of canada's highest court. It's clear that a good percentage of canadians support them so long as it is used against their political enemies. Start filing frivolous complaints against the moonbats and watch them go nuts. Then again, it is clear which side of the political spectrum these commissions are on, so I doubt they would allow a complaint to be filed against a leftard.

56
Steyn is already in the US and Levant will never abandon Alberta.

57 Thanks, Bill D. Cat.

I found a PayPal donation link at Ezra Levant's Saturday Night Smackdown the Fascist page.

I understand I may by pi**ing the money away considering the HRC's continuing precedents of guilty of all trumped charges no matter how asinine, but in this case, I don't care. Those lefty fascists need to know there will be blowback when they pull this stuff. If a few bucks will help keep the videos public and accessible, you know, in the spirit of free speech (a concept apparently foreign to the HRC), then maybe we can stop this hare kare of Dhimmtude getting forced upon us. If the HRC is concerned about feelings, let 'em feel the embarrassment and public flogging of their idiocy for a while.

I'm spittin' mad and I'm not even canuck.

58 Coming soon to an America near you - thought control! - by way of Hillary Clinton et all, the Democrat Party, and Muslims the world over.

It's not just an overt act that's chargable - but the mere thought!

What is happening to my America? Who ever conceived it could possibly come to this?

You must watch all three videos to get the true grasp of the evilness of these thought Nazi's.

59

I really want Gabe's advice . If these assholes can file a HRC complaint , why can't I ...... and why can't I name one of these HRC's as a defendant . To be honest , I'm truly offended .

 

60 Fucking A!! That is one of the coolest things I've ever seen. I want to have his baby.

61 So, if Mr. Levant heads south, he will get:

a) free drinks
b) a make-out session with Joanie
c) a baby

sounds cool

62

I'm spittin' mad and I'm not even canuck.

You should see it through my eyes ....... this country is all hawk , and no spit .

Help us though , hit the links , and for fucks sake..... comment ..... comment with extreme prejudice

63

64
We should start a "Cool Facts About Ezra Levant" thread.


For example:

When Ezra Levant gets cold, he doesn't turn on the heat, he just throws a couple of hippies on the fire.

The video was cut short after the Stalinist douchbag's face caught on fire from laser beams shooting out from Ezra Levant's eyes.

65 That apparatchik's face is the face of our future—nondescript, banal, schoolmarmishly deadly

66

Looks like when the end comes, it will be a fine and not a bullet that murders freedom.

 

67 When Ezra Levant points his index finger at you, three other fingers don't point back at him... they point at you too.

68

Ezra, put the tongue to her, medium style.

69 I haven't watched the other videos yet, but I'm guessing that, at the end of the final installment, he leaps across the table, gouges out one of her eyes, and skullfucks her.

70 Ezra's tongue-lashings leave welts.

71

Norm MacDonald put it best ...... I'm Canadian .... but I love America better .

Ideals trump borders everytime.... you people have ideals ....me , I got's a border ..... eh .

72

I thought everyone was hobo hunting wtf with all these posts? 

Two questions.  How the hell do you  get the volume up on this shit, i know all my computer stuff is at 100%.  When you link it do you reduce the sound?

Second, Get rid of Youtube, you lazy val u rite assholes, write!!

Kemp

PS fuck the frogs

73

I followed a couple of links from Steyn's page regarding this whole affair-from Steyn to the idiotic wiselaw blog and from there to the wretched bigcitylib blog. 

Wise is an attorney (or so he says-though I hold out the hope that he is actually something more useful to society, like a doorstop) who occasionally makes illogical and incoherent posts about the Steyn case.  Bigcitylib is the embodiment of the modern lefty who believes in nothing save their own will to power who currently has a couple of posts up attacking Levant for being a "drama queen" (cause apparantly no lefty has ever taken himself seriously in recorded history).  They are being fought in the comments on both blogs by defenders of free speech and neither seems inclined to argue the merits of the case (not that there position has any merit)-the best bigcitylib can do is the infrequent snark. 

That people like these represent the views of many who are in power both here and in Canada gives me the uncontrollable urge to go and clean my rifles.

74 Fix that link to the Steyn article!  The Joos put an extra "http" in there.  RACISTS!

75 "1960? 1986?

That's the problem. Civil rights have not had enough time to take root in Canada.

Posted by: Britt at January 12, 2008 07:20 PM (FK2zk)"

Balderdash.  Canadians are supposed to enjoy the historic liberties of Englishman - those liberties which englishmen thought that any free man should claim for himself.  And mostly they did.  This travesty of justice that Mr. Levant  was subjected to would never would have happened in the old Canada, the pre multi-cultural Canada.

Our rights are not so very different.  Yes, we have a constitution which is intended to guarantee our liberties, but it does not grant them to us.  God grants us our liberties.  You may believe in God or not (I don't), but that's what the founding fathers took pains to establish in the Consitituion.

Good for you Mr. Levant for fighting the good fight.  I wish that more men had your guts.

And to think: that loathesome woman - that apparat-chick - goes home every night thinking that she's a good person who's earned her pay, when actually she's just a KGB woman's auxilliary.  To paraphrase Orwell: if you want an image of the future of humanity, it's a human face being smashed over and over again by the sensible shoes of a government-employee soccer-mom.

76

Um, Drew,

I'm not saying that you're <em>wrong,</em>   but having having a fucking clue what you're talking about might be helpful in presenting your case.

I can't tell you how entertaining it is to hear American bloggers screaming about "foreign" bloggers commenting on US politics, but you do have to grant us that we at least know that the political parties are Republicans and Democrats.

While you happen to be right about the Steyn / Levant cases, that's only by accident. Levant happens to be a big fan of squelching free speech, he just does it through <a href="http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2001/05/17/alliancequebec_010517.html">threatening useless lawsuits</a> That dumb prck is a lawsuit machine!

And I'd be careful about getting anyting from Little Green Footballs. They're not only stupid, they're psychotic.

77 And I'd be careful about getting anyting from Little Green Footballs. They're not only stupid, they're psychotic.

You're serious, aren't you?

Heh. Heheh...hhehehehehehehehehehehee....

78 skippy stalin, LGF is not psychotic.  They are pretty balanced, though they often criticize the misconception that Islam is unproblematic.  You've made a heavy accusation, but I'm pretty sure you won't come back to give some evidence that the bloggers (not some Moby sockpuppet commenter) said something psychotic.

IS what you said about Ezra true?  That he sued someone in the legal system is not proof that he's a bad guy.  Unless he does this often enough to show a pattern, it means nothing, and I also don't have time to determine if he was right or wrong.  All I know is that he was very brave and gave an eloquent explanation of why we must have free speech.  His government is oppressing his rights.  Everyone who chuckles over the whines of white conservatives who note oppresion should take a second and realize,m yeah, it's true, there is unacceptable bullshit going on in societies that should be too good to stand it.  This man has had to spend a lot of time and money defending himself from a government that demands to know his intent when making normal political speech.

You need a sense of perspective.  Also, LGF posted a damn video.  How can you pretend that they aren't to be trusted in this context?  That's absurd; its a video!

79 That guy kicked some ass.

80

Additional Blond Agent ,

I consider it something of virtue when commenting on another countries laws and politics to learn something of them. I frequently go to the trouble of learning the names of the political parties concerned. I'm a real pain the ass that way, but it also means that you'll never hear me accusing the Republicans of being in favor of slavery.

As a Canadian, I can tell you chapter and fucking verse about how Human Rights Commisions and what Setctions 318-319 of the Criminal Code of Canada actually mean. Are they idiotic, yes. But the case against them presented here is equallly stupid.

What should piss people off is that Levant isn't being charged with a crime and accordingly, has no right to cute things like counsel or a passive defense. Holocaust deniers are routinely cited under HRC  laws and I don't see a great outcry here or anywhere alse over that.

What LGF, and by extension, AOSHQ is doing is putting up a fucking lawsuit junkie up as a hero because he holds a similiar opinion that Muslims are evil.  Ezra Levant really isn't a hero to anybody. The Western Standard folded because nobody bought it.

The information is actually out there. It just seems as though Charles Johnson and Drew M. are too lazy to look for it.

81

The more well mannered, the more permeatingly stifling the thought police become.

Whatever else he may have done, Levant's stand here is refreshingly bold.

82 I consider it something of virtue when commenting on another countries laws and politics to learn something of them.

A crushingly ironic statement, considering the rest of your text. Have a good one, Sparky.

83

skippystalin? you are not wrong. you sir are merely a misinformed retarded fucking idiot.

good day!

84

Here's a link that should work to one of the Steyn pieces:

http://tinyurl.com/34yswv

 

85 skippystalin,
That Mr. Levant has sued other people does not negate the fact that it is your speech, sir or madam, that is being stifled by the HRC when Mr. Levant is harangued by these political functionaries.

If you are Canadian it is your fundamental right that is suppressed by these complaints. The fact that you are unable to see that your rights are at stake does not make it any less true. I am happy that the KKK was affirmed to have the right to march in Stokie, Illinois in spite of their repugnant views. To view the world otherwise is distinctly anti-liberal (in the classical sense) and distinctly offensive to Americans, writ large.

86 Levant may in fact be a dick. You're right, I don't know, nor do I know Canadian law. What I do know is that in this particular case, he's dead right, and bravo to him for showing what "truth to power" really means. 

One question: if Levant isn't being charged with a crime, what is the penalty if he loses?

 

 

87

Okay, I'll try this again in ways that don't involve your idiot hero - who by the way, the Conservative Party of Canada jettisoned long ago.

At the time that the Western Standard published the Muhammad cartoons, they were already widely viewed. The fact that they were wee being censored already made them widely seen pretty much  everywhere.

Because of Canada's laws regarding hate speech and various human rights tibunials, Candian papers dodn't run them. But them, most American media outlets, uninhinited by such laws, didn't either. Why is that?

I actually agree that the cartoons should be published, but I also know the risks that Ezra Levant was taking in publishing them. I, and Levant, know that there is no First Amendment in Canada. As the publisher of a magazine, I also presume thast he was aware of the existience of Human Rights Tribuanals.

Ezra was looking for trouble and he found it. Indeed, if he hadn't, he wouldn't be a topic of discussion here, would he?

Ezra Levant saw what worked for Ernst Zundel and ran with it. Sure, his magazine failed and everything, but it'll get him on TV and a bunc of blogs.

88 Hey Skippy, click the link that andycanuck provided and read what you fellow Canadian said  about  the  HRC.   And quit taking the name of commie thugs, it's just pathetic.

89 I may hate what you say, but I will defend your right to say it.

Remember that, leftists? Or are you so in the thrall now of thoughtcrime non-law that you can't think straight anymore?

Please master, I am most reasonable, please let me off the hook....

90 One question: if Levant isn't being charged with a crime, what is the penalty if he loses?

Dr. Remulak,

According to this article that Levant wrote:

And the punishments that these commissions can order are bizarre. Besides fines to the government and payments to complainants, defendants can be forced to "apologize" for having unacceptable political or religious opinions.

An apology might not sound onerous, yet it is far more troubling than a fine. Ordering a person -- or a magazine -- to say or publish words that they don't believe is an Orwellian act of thought control. The editor of Maclean's, Ken Whyte, maintains his magazine is fair. But human rights commissions have the power to order him to publish a confession that he's a bigot -- or, as in one Ontario case, even order someone to study Islam. Even convicted murderers cannot be "ordered" to apologize.

You know, reeducation light type stuff.

91

skippy- you sound like you have some personal animosity towards ezra levant.

 

put that aside and look hard at the issue.

it's all about free speech. you either support the concept or not.

me? i could give a fuck either way whether you backbacon eating hoser losers are hassled by your authorities.

it's your country and i's glad i dont live there.

 

92

Mark,

Okay, so I read it. I'm already familiar with Canadian law, and I think that I've made it pretty clear that I disagree with it. What's your point?

As much as I much as I may disagree with it, I do understand that it has been upheld by votes of  the people over and over again. Keep in mind that this is the Alberta Human Rights Code  that's going after Levant, not Canada's. And Alberta is far and away Canada's most conservative province. In fact, between the Social Credit Part and the Conservatives, I don't think that Alberta has has had a liberal government since before he Depression.

I may not like the law, but the people of Alberta have had endless opportunities to overturn it. They didn't.

But there's a lot of oil there and Canada does have WMD technology, maybe you can invade and fix things for us.

93 Forest for the trees, Skippuh, forest for the trees...

94 Drew, thank you.

We have a case similar to this here in Philly. You may have heard of Joe Vento, the cheesesteak guy who has a sign at his business requesting  that customers order in English. The Philadelphia Human Relations Commission dragged him into a hearing because they think the sign is discriminatory. They can fine him, or order him into sensitivity training. Maybe we shouldn't be so hard on Canada.

95 Maybe we shouldn't be so hard on Canada.

No, we should be harder on the Orwellian assholes in this country.

96

Hoppy,

I really couldn't give a shit about Ezra, and remember, I SUPPORT his right to publish the stupid cartoons.

What you don't seem to underatand is that there isn't an absolute right to free speech in Canada. It just doesn't exist. Google the Charter of Rights and Freedoms, if you're really that interested. I have to watch what I say on my stupid blog every day. Christ, it's illegal for me to even talk about jury deliberations in Canada.And I have a really cool jury duty story that I'd love to tell. But I'd go jail for two years if I did.

Trust me, son, I know all about free speech limitations in my home and native land. So does Ezra Levant.

But just because I think the law is stupid doesn't give you an excuse to break it. Let's say you think drug laws are dumb. Do you get away with selling a pound of heroin to an undercover cop?

I don't think that Ezra should get any more lenient treatment than anybody else in Canada. Laws are laws and I remember a time when that acrually meant something to conservatives.

97 Well then skippy,  I hope you will enjoy your future in canukeistan.  I will live in the land of the free and the home of the brave. I won't be visiting.

98

skippy,

that sucks. maybe....

dont blog under your real name?

use a proxy server?

stick it to the MAN man!!

 

99 Something tells me that if Levant was a lefty, he would be hailed and defended for his "civil disobedience".

100

Mark,

Again, you miss my point in the most spectacular way. I'm not defending the law, I'm just telling you what it is. If it were up to me, I'd destroy the Charter of Rights and Freedoms and adopt your Bill of Rights.

I disagree with any number of American laws. That doesn't stop me from visiting and liking the American people. If you can't do the same, okay. Your dollar has kind of fallen to shit anyway. Besides, why do you think that your oil is coming from these days? Silly things like human rights never mattered when it came to the energy market before, why should it now?

Furhtermore, I find "canukeistan" insulting. Firstly, it's spelled wrong, and secondly, I'm not spelling "America" with three k's, am I?

101

Hoppy,

Actually, I'm not using a proxy server. I'm way to dumb for that. My ISP should show Rogers in Toronto.

Secondly, being criticized for writing under a pseudonym at a site whose author is paranoid about anonymity only proves that you're a fucking idiot.

102 I'm not defending the law, I'm just telling you what it is.

So skippy, what are you doing about it? At least Levant is fighting a legal regime you admit is flawed (to say the least).  Your point seems to be 'well the law sucks but it's the law so what can we do about it?" 

That's whats got people so riled up after watching Levant, he's actually fighting back. He saying, 'this is wrong and I will not submit to it'. That's what free people do when confronted with unjust laws until they can build support to change them, they fight. They raise a stink. They build an argument and enlist support.

In America we have a long list of heroes like the Founding Fathers, the abolitionists and civil rights leaders who we honor because they said, 'no, this is wrong and must change'.

Instead of complaining that Levant knows the limitations on freedom in your country yet dares to flaunt them, why don't you get off your ass and support him (or some one you find more politically palatable) in trying to change those limits? 

Who knows, maybe the world won't be forever deprived of hearing your jury story.

103 Joanie, I'm with you; if I were single, we would be fighting over him.

Warden we are always of like mind. Buy this man a drink-for life!

Captkidney, I was thinking the same thing; once the answer does not matter the interview should be over.

Question: Are the Canadians who watched this video embarrassed about this sham?

104 It was supposed to in insulting.  You are at the aoshq. We do insults.

105 Furhtermore, I find "canukeistan" insulting. Firstly, it's spelled wrong, and secondly, I'm not spelling "America" with three k's, am I?

No, but swallowing the (long disproved) canard that "IT'S ALL ABOUT THE OOOOOOOOOOOIL!" is doing nothing to help your case against Levant.

Not that I am convinced, anyway.  As far as I could tell looking at the 1960 Bill of Rights and the 1986 Charter, yes, Canada does have freedom of speech.  And I think that, when basic human rights such as freedom of speech are violated, civil disobedience is indeed called for.  If it was good enough for Martin Luther King, Jr. for similar injustices, I'm pretty sure it's appropriate here.

106 Hey, skippy, do you think Rosa Parks "went looking for trouble"?

You sound like you're pissed that you obey the dictates of the apparat, and Ezra doesn't. Don't hate him just because he's not as pusillanimous as you.

But just because I think the law is stupid doesn't give you an excuse to break it. Let's say you think drug laws are dumb. Do you get away with selling a pound of heroin to an undercover cop.

Did you just compare publishing a dozen cartoons to selling heroin to a cop? Can't you see the difference?

Ezra: Canada should protect my free speech. Skippystalin: Canada should, but then again it shouldn't because it currently doesn't and Ezra's a jerk.

Ezra has the better argument.

107 "I may hate what you say, but I will defend your right to say it.  Remember that, leftists?

Posted by: lauraw at January 13, 2008 01:05 AM (DbybK)"

The political left has never, ever, believed that.  Regardless what they say, they believe that only they have a right to free speech.

108 Instead of complaining that Levant knows the limitations on freedom in your country yet dares to flaunt them, why don't you get off your ass and support him (or some one you find more politically palatable) in trying to change those limits?

The money quote right there.  "Free speech for me but none for thee" is one of the commandments of the Far Left.  Even moderately left-leaning Canadians I've read on all the sites featuring this story have come together to denounce this stupidity.  You have to be a special kind of despot or useful idiot to support this mockery of free society.

109

Drew,

That's what I love most about America. For real.

What I can't seem to get you to understand is that the province under whose Human Rights Code Ezra is being persecuted is, far and way, the most conservative in Canada. Where I'm from, Albertans are called "Americans by proxy."

Honest to god, I wish that we were more like you in that regard. i've voted against them every chance I've had, but expaining how that works would involve a fourteen hour tutorial on Candian history that I'm sure no one here has the patience for.

Look, I'm a foreigner who doesn't especially like America's drug laws. But if I break them, I don't expect a fucking parade of Americans demanding that I be allowed to sell smack on your streets.

From time to time, a Canadian citizen does somethinhing incredibly stupid and gets senttenced to death there. Americans, when they know that we're doing it, get really pissed off when the Candian government demands clemency for him.

I detest the law here, but the people have had numerous oppotunities to vote on it. Just as yours have.

Asa citizen of Ontario, I don't get a vote on Albeta's Human Rights Commission. I also don't get a vote on your drug laws or death penalty.

Precisely what gives you, me, or anyone here the right to undermine the rights of the people of Alberta to execute their laws as they see fit?

110 skippy, are you saying the Alberta Human Rights, Citizenship and Multicultural Act overrides Section 2 of the Canadian Charter of Rights? Really?

Your provisional argument was exactly the same kind of argument made here in the states during the 50's and 60's.  But you know what? People from all over this country went to places in Alabama and Mississippi and say, 'we don't care if this is how you want to do things in your state. It's not how we do things in our country, so change.'

But okay, you don't want to get involved in Alberta's issues. What about the Steyn case? That was filed with the B.C. commission and the national commission.  Are you doing something about that?

And forget about Levant, what are you doing about the fact you can not publish certain things? Are you standing up and fighting to change that ridiculous law?

Aren't you embarrassed that a blog in Minnesota (Captain's Quarters) was ahead of any Canadian news outlet in covering the 'sponsorship scandal' because of your country's idiotic laws?  What did you do about that?

More importantly, if you don't see the difference between enforcing drug laws and the exercise of fundamental rights dating back hundreds of years, you're really not worth engaging. If you continue to make that ridiculous comparison, I am going to have to ask you to learn the difference between apples and oranges before continuing to respond to you.

111 Skippy, when in the Declaration of Independence T.J. said "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."  Now this is a problem if you don't believe one.  I do not know what you believe but that is where is comes from. 

112 A puzzling guy, this Levant.  One the one hand, clearly a man.  On the other, obviously Canadian.  I can only assume he'll be heading south one day.

113

Not that I am convinced, anyway.  As far as I could tell looking at the 1960 Bill of Rights and the 1986 Charter, yes, Canada does have freedom of speech.  And I think that, when basic human rights such as freedom of speech are violated, civil disobedience is indeed called for.  If it was good enough for Martin Luther King, Jr. for similar injustices, I'm pretty sure it's appropriate here.

Actually, the Charter was ratified im 1982, not 1986. And I think publishing cartoons, which were already widely widely available is rather different than the right to vote or equal protection under the law. It also demostrates that you haven't read Section 1 of the Charter, which reads "The Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms guarantees the rights and freedoms set out in it subject only to such reasonable limits prescribed by law as can be demonstrably justified in a free and democratic society."

Loosely translated, that means "You have these rights until we decide that you don't." The United States never had the War Powers Act or the National Emergency Act either, so I really don't exzpect you to understand.

Hey, skippy, do you think Rosa Parks "went looking for trouble"?

Actually, yes. I think she did go looking for trouble. And she was willing to suffer the consequences of it. Her conviction was such that she didn't run to the arms of foreigners for cormfort when things didn't - as she knew they wouldn't - go her way.

Did you just compare publishing a dozen cartoons to selling heroin to a cop? Can't you see the difference?

As a matter of fact, I do. Heroin and cartoons are both a personal choice as to what you consume. Criminalizing eithter is what makes them scary or dangerous.

And I think that, when basic human rights such as freedom of speech are violated, civil disobedience is indeed called for.  If it was good enough for Martin Luther King, Jr. for similar injustices, I'm pretty sure it's appropriate here.

And that's why the GOP was so up on springing MLK from the joint? As I remember my history, it was Bobby Kennedy who made that phone call. And that, as I know my rules of the bar, was cause for his disbarment.

Free speech for me but none for thee" is one of the commandments of the Far Left.  Even moderately left-leaning Canadians I've read on all the sites featuring this story have come together to denounce this stupidity.  You have to be a special kind of despot or useful idiot to support this mockery of free society.

I actually think that Human Rights Commissions and hate crimes laws are a special kind of stupid myself.  However, the citizens of that jurisdiction thought enough of them to repeatedly reelect the most conservatve government in Canadian history to uphold and strengthen them.

What you're protesting is the equivalent of "states rights," which don't actually exist in Canada at all. We actually have a federal Criminal Code. What makes HRCs especially osidious is that they exist outside of the criminal law. Changing that involves changes over 700 years of British common law.

Ezra: Canada should protect my free speech. Skippystalin: Canada should, but then again it shouldn't because it currently doesn't and Ezra's a jerk.

 Whether I agree with Ezra or not is immaterial. The question is "did he knowingly place himself in legal jeoprardy?" The fact is that he put up the cartoons practically INVITING prosecution.

Frankly, I'm amazed that conservatives can suddenly get to question the laws decided upon by a democratic society.

114 The political left has never, ever, believed that. Regardless what they say, they believe that only they have a right to free speech.

Complaining endlessly at broadcast microphones about the elusive chill wind.

115 Precisely what gives you, me, or anyone here the right to undermine the rights of the people of Alberta to execute their laws as they see fit?

Stone the raped Iranian women to death ---> it's not my place to protest*** the draconian, abusive treatment of humans as it's not my place to undermine the rights of a people to execute their draconian, abusive laws as they see fit!

Tell that to the Canadian Iman's please.

***protest, being the operative word

116 Frankly, I'm amazed that conservatives can suddenly get to question the laws decided upon by a democratic society.

Skippy,

That means that you are either very easily amazed or know very little about what it means to be a modern conservative.  My guess is they are not mutually exclusive in your case.

117 If there comes a day that a majority of Americans no longer believe in freedom of speech and allow laws to circumvent it, fuck 'it. The right precedes and post-dates government, majority, process or otherwise.

118 You seem to be missing the bigger issue here skipy. It's not just that these laws exists but how they are enforced.

According to Section 22(1)(a) of the Alberta Human Rights, Citizenship and Multicultural Act, the Commission Director may, "dismiss a complaint if the director considers that the complaint is without merit".

The fact that this complaint is considered in the least bit meritorious shows that the people enforcing this law do not have even a passing familiarity with western political heritage. Or is there some mysterious part of Canadian culture that grants people the right not to be insulted by the news of the day?  Or in this particular case is there an anti-blasphemy statute that was passed while no one was looking?

Are you as a citizen of another province some how forbidden or duty bound not to take notice of this gross miscarriage of justice?

I guess that's one of the differences between being a subject of your sovereign and living in a republic. You poor bastards.

119

Drew,

What I'm saying that is that pretty much EVERYTHING in the Charter is overridden by the language in Section 1. Remember, "as can be demonstrably justified in a free and democratic society" is pretty goddamn broad language.

If that isn't good enough for you, I invite you to peruse secrion 15.2." Subsection (1) does not preclude any law, program or activity that has as its object the amelioration of conditions of disadvantaged individuals or groups including those that are disadvantaged because of race, national or ethnic origin, colour, religion, sex, age or mental or physical disability." That negates your Fourteenth Amendment rather nicely.

Failing that, we have the infamous Notwithstanding Clause, 33. (1) Parliament or the legislature of a province may expressly declare in an Act of Parliament or of the legislature, as the case may be, that the Act or a provision thereof shall operate notwithstanding a provision included in section 2 or sections 7 to 15 of this Charter. Operation of exception    (2) An Act or a provision of an Act in respect of which a declaration made under this section is in effect shall have such operation as it would have but for the provision of this Charter referred to in the declaration. Five year limitation    (3) A declaration made under subsection (1) shall cease to have effect five years after it comes into force or on such earlier date as may be specified in the declaration. Re-enactment    (4) Parliament or the legislature of a province may re-enact a declaration made under subsection (1). Five year limitation    (5) Subsection (3) applies in respect of a re-enactment made under subsection (4).

Let's say that the Charter applied when Brown v. Board of Education was decided. The state of Kansas would have been been well within their legal rights rights to say "So the fuck what, Supreme Court?" And that would, under the Charter, have been the law ... "So the fuck what" 

 Segregation wouldn't have ended under the Charter. How's that for "liberal?"

In fact that's happening now. It's actuallty illegal to have a commericial sign in English outside of an establishment in Quebec.

So, PLEASE don't pretend that Thomas Paine's Rights of Man apply here. They don't. And Ezra Levant knows that, too. That's what got him kicked out of the Conservative Party of Canada.

120 Frankly, I'm amazed that conservatives can suddenly get to question the laws decided upon by a democratic society.

You don't have a Second Amendment either, eh?  Too bad.  Questioning the law is a bit of a conservative tradition in these parts.

121 So, PLEASE don't pretend that Thomas Paine's Rights of Man apply here. They don't. And Ezra Levant knows that, too. That's what got him kicked out of the Conservative Party of Canada.

And this is why you will be living in Canunkistan soon. We will be keeping Western Civilization going without you. 

122 skippy,

A couple of points and then I am off to bed

-Canada is even more fucked than I thought.

-I really don't ever want to hear from another Canadian how morally superior your country and culture is, especially compared to horrible and brutish US.

And

-I still admire Levant for trying to change a sick culture. It's better to stand up and fight for what you know is right than to sit on the sidelines and sulk about it.  Maybe if more of you did that you'd find your own Thomas Paine (of course we imported the original ourselves from England but you know what I mean).

123

You don't have a Second Amendment either, eh?  Too bad.  Questioning the law is a bit of a conservative tradition in these parts.

Actually it really isn't. If somebody like President Bush sauntered into the Constitutional Convention with something like the USA PATRIOT ACT, the Founding Fathers  probably would have stomped him to death in their pointy shoes.

And didn't the Supreme Court start limiting the Second Amendment in the 1930's?

I haven't spent 25 years studying a Consititution that isn't mine for no reason,  I'm actually scared that your country, which I really do have a deep love for, is heading in same direction as mine. But there are nasty counter-forces fighting back that are taking away ftrom Constitutional principles in the opposite direction.

If you want to get really scared, I invite you to read the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms and the amended USA PATRIOT ACT side by side.

124 Frankly, it's a miracle that I'm ever in relationships at all. I'm ugly, stupid, broke, and have a truly shitty personality.

And that is why you do not understand America.

By the way, I pulled it of his blog.

125 If somebody like President Bush sauntered into the Constitutional Convention with something like the USA PATRIOT ACT, the Founding Fathers  probably would have stomped him to death in their pointy shoes.

Which provisions would have offended them and what makes you think so?

And didn't the Supreme Court start limiting the Second Amendment in the 1930's?

As for Second Amendment jurisprudence, I invite you to look for yourself.  Relax, there is very little reading involved.  The "big" case was from the 30's and IIRC only held that, given what "the Militia" was, covered weapons should have some rational connection with legitimate military applications.

I haven't spent 25 years studying a Consititution that isn't mine for no reason

You may have a year or two to go, but I appreciate the effort.  The left wing politics that have sapped and neutered your country do not flourish quite so aggressively here, but they are a common enemy and if they ever do manage to prevail here it will be a dark day for mankind.

126

-Canada is even more fucked than I thought

I couldn't agree more. I'm just trying to play Joe Friday here. Just the facts regarding how things works here. Feel free to check the constitutional text and case law if you get bored.

The only reason I can't support the death penalty in Canada is the right of the Crown to appeal endlessly. Bitch as much as you do about O.J, I'd prefer to think of him walking the streets than the people we would have killed after three trials, only to be proven innnocent by DNA.

And that brings me to a particularly important point. While I support the American death penaty, an overwhelming majority of Canadian don't. And you people get awfully fucking uppity when we meddle in your laws, so I think it's the better part of neighborliness that you don't meddle in ours.

Yes, Canadians DO act morally superior to Americans, and I've been fighting against that all of my life. You can imagine how popular this makes me with my countrymen. And I don't think that I've conducted myself that way here

You don't like us getting involved in the way you adminster justice. Guess what? We're not thrilled when you get involved in ours. I don't have to like my countries laws, but I do reserve the right to get pissed when you tell me how it should be done. Especially when I know that you're you're already right.

But the rest of the world doesn't work off of a neat flag, a cool theme song and the notion that you know best.

 

127 Precisely what gives you, me, or anyone here the right to undermine the rights of the people of Alberta to execute their laws as they see fit?''

Commenting on current events is now undermining the rights of the people of Alberta? Then I suggest you remove all the crap you have on your own shitty blog about American laws.  Besides exposing you as a hypocrite, it demonstrates how little you know.

128

Mark,

I wasn't going to point this out, but you have certain inalienable rights, not unalienable ones, you putz. I wasn't going to correct you on your own Declaration of Independence, but since you decided that my blog was fair game, so is your idiocy.

And being lectured on freedom by someone from Spokane is particularly pricesless. I'd have to check with Maria Cantrell, but I'm pretty sure that Washington is Canada's 13th province and/or territory.

 By the way, my exes in California and Michigan seemed to enjoy my company. Granted, they didn't enjoy it for very long, because I'm a scumbag.

VRWC,

Probably the part that demands that the states conform to federal standards on local pharmacies selling fucking cold medicine. That was included in the 2005v re-authorization bill.

Oh, and how a bill that that was suppoased to be only "used to fight terrorism" is now being used in tax cases against titty-bar owners could be seen as objectionable, too. Christ, I can't wait fot it to be used in a gun case. That'll make me smile.

129
He's a synopsis of some of the attacks on speech and thought in canuckistan.

130

Chop Suey Palace (R),

I might be wrong, but I think you have a crush on me. Your lips may say no, but your cold, hard kung-fu eyes say yes.

131
I'm not a faggot. Now go file a complaint, asshole.

132 Skippy: 

So it would be a fairly trivial part of the statute which is more relevant to the FDA than security that has your knickers in a knot?  If so, out founders would have been rioting over Commerce Clause jurisprudence rather than anything integral to the PATRIOT Act.  I'm a small government guy myself, but your idea that the Framers would be rioting over a tweak to the FDA - rather than the FDA itself - strikes me as ill considered..

I didn't think you had anything thoughtful on that point but I wanted to give you a chance to show off those 25 years of study.  Thanks for playing.

133

Frankly, I'm pissed that Mark in Spokane quoted me in saying that I'm "ugly, stupid, broke, and have a truly shitty personality." but neglected to mention my fourteen inch cock.

Since Spokane is too far away to punch him in the pussy, I might have to change teams on the War in Terror.

That's right, I might just join the "skins"

134 I wasn't going to point this out, but you have certain inalienable rights, not unalienable ones, you putz.

Actually, it's unalienable. Here's the text:

http://www.ushistory.org/declaration/document/index.htm

Here's a high resolution image:

http://www.archives.gov/national-archives-experience/charters/charters_downloads.html

Third word, fourth line.

Think before you speak.

135 BTW "Think before you speak" is just a piece of good advice.

skippystalin might want to construe it as a legislative recommendation.

136

But the rest of the world doesn't work off of a neat flag, a cool theme song and the notion that you know best.

It's a bit more than a theme song, Beaver-Boy.  And I think you'll find that our "notions" carry a bit more weight globally than the latest word from Thunder Bay.

We won't even mention just to whom the phrase "we stand on guard for thee" in your little national ditty actually refers, and pretty much has for the last sixty years.

Please, resume eating your poutine in your customary passive-aggressive manner, have a good swig of maple syrup to top it off, and leave the serious discussion to the grown-ups, eh?

 

137 Actually, it's unalienable.

Yes, no American can be turned into an alien without his consent.

Let's look at Skippy's arguments:

1) Levant threatened a libel lawsuit against a fellow who may have libeled someone.
Is that relevant to the merits of his statements in the post? No.
Does a libel lawsuit imply hypocrisy on issues of free speech? No.

2) Canada doesn't have free speech.
That's too bad, but it still doesn't weaken Levant's stand on a moral basis. Naturally we as Americans applaud him standing up for what we believe is his natural right. Where exactly is the issue here?

3) "Holocaust deniers are routinely cited under HRC  laws"
I remember that one guy, but only that one guy (Ernst Zundel), who was cited. And there were many posts decrying his position but supporting his right to express his lame opinions.

4) Levant is a "lawsuit machine."
Levant threatened a single lawsuit back in 2001, but apparently didn't follow through. Are there other lawsuits that haven't been brought to our attention? As a "lawsuit machine" he seems to have a poor record.

5) "Silly things like human rights never mattered when it came to the energy market before, why should it now?"
What an asshole.

138 Precisely what gives you, me, or anyone here the right to undermine the rights of the people of Alberta to execute their laws as they see fit?

Sure thing. I guess that lack of free speech in Canada is more insidious than I thought - now simply stating our opinion is "undermining rights." Yet Caneukiastanianitianiums are free to criticize the US, without fear of affecting our rights. Let me go one step further and undermine Skippy's rights in particular - that is an abysmally stupid argument.

139

Since Spokane is too far away to punch him in the pussy, I might have to change teams on the War in Terror.

That's right, I might just join the "skins" 

You have already  joined the skins  you  just  don't  know it. Hope you like dhimmitude.

140 14 inch cock?

141

You know, for all the complaining people do around here about "poor quality trolls", here we have a guy that is informed, engaging, and even witty -- and he's not even a troll -- and he gets moron rolled for, what, not "taking to the streets" to protest Canada's idiotic Orwellian thought crimes?

Weren't we just saying the other day that such gestures were pointless acts of self-gratification?  Are we really expecting every Joe Citizen under the soft bootheel of dhimmi Canada to join the Wolverines or forever be mocked as a poseur?  Didn't skippy already express his opposition to the pseudo-laws in question in a way to suggest that he's used his role in the democratic process to oppose them?

It would be one thing if the guy came here bitching and moaning about what a horrible, horrible place Canada is or, worse yet, what a morally superior utopia it was.  Then I could see the need for a takedown.  But from what I can tell, his primary intent is to inform us of just how messed up the concepts of Canadian law and rights are and in the context of the thread topic.  It's a service, is it not?  One that we've asked for in the past?

Yeah, his "blood for oil" and "energy markets" bullshit was idiotic, and his heroin dealing = publishing cartoons argument is absurd.  But a bunch of posters here are trashing his home country for reasons with which he agrees and then rebutting his agreement with "Yeah, your shithole country blows, douchebag.  Grab a sign and start picketing like a member of DUAC ya pussy."

142 Steyn , who for those of you didn't know , used to work for Ezra .

143 Meh , any one who lives in Moronto needs a good rolling now and then . Bunch of fucking commies , the lot of them .

144
Vjay: Puleez! He shows up and the first thing out of his mouth is an insult to the poster, and insult to LGF, and a very hypocritical comment that people should not blog about other countries and their laws unless they, according to his opinion, know what they are talking about. Fuck canada! 

145 Naaah actually I found Skippy to be marginally alright. A little off, but he's Canadian, eh?

Stripping away the useless and absurd parts, it looks to me like he was saying that Ezra's commentary wasn't applicable, or was out of proportion, to the case at hand. Not saying I agree you understand.

The test might be this: Does Ezra have the right to apply a counter-claim to the same HRC? And should he?

One could grant, in fairness, that he can. He shouldn't because doing so confirms the HRC as the responsible adjudicating party.

I'd like to read Skippy's thoughts on that. If he shouldn't do so, as a point of basic freedom, then Ezra's complaints become far more legit, do they not?

146

The test might be this: Does Ezra have the right to apply a counter-claim to the same HRC? And should he?

As far as I know , yes . These HRC's have the right to dismiss complaints without merit ( at their discression of course ) . The shitty part of this whole farce is that the complaintant doesn't have to spend a dime , the defendant  though has to spend plenty on his/her defense . The really , realy shitty part is (to the best of my knowledge )  that once these things get this far , no defendant has won ................yet .

147
I don't think he can file a complaint or counter complaint unless he argues that he is a member of a protected minority recognize by these phony tribunals and that his feelings were hurt. 

148  
. . . member of a protected minority recognized by these phony tribunals . . .

149 Weren't we just saying the other day that such gestures were pointless acts of self-gratification?  Are we really expecting every Joe Citizen under the soft bootheel of dhimmi Canada to join the Wolverines or forever be mocked as a poseur?

VJay,

Yes, skippy admits the problems with Canada and on several occasions admits he'd prefer an American style bill of rights.

My problem with him is that he keeps saying Levant knew this would have been the outcome of publishing the cartoons and shouldn't take this opportunity to rail against the Canadian system. Skippy may not want to join the Wolverines but don't bad mouth or diminish those that have.

Sometimes someone has to rail to change things and I don't think people around here think protests are always futile or idiotic. I submit the Harriet Meyers' nomination and last summers' craptastic immigration fight for your consideration. And in the greater scheme of things those two issues aren't nearly as important as the right of a magazine publisher to not have to answer to the government for "offending" someone.

If Canada is going to reclaim it's heritage, it's going to need people like skippy to stand up for it. If people like him are not only willing to quietly accept what's happening but join in the pile on on those who are fighting back, they are well and truly screwed.

Besides, skippy doesn't strike me as the type to object to a good knock about. In fact, I am pretty sure he rather enjoys it. Now, if he'd focus more on the people in his own country who he admits are wrong instead of people who would most likely be his allies in that fight it would be better for everyone.

150 I'm actually scared that your country, which I really do have a deep love for, is heading in same direction as mine.

You mean, toward becoming another smelly little socialist shithole?

I can't disagree with that.

151 If Canada is going to reclaim it's heritage, it's going to need people like skippy to stand up for it. If people like him are not only willing to quietly accept what's happening but join in the pile on on those who are fighting back, they are well and truly screwed. Yep. "First they came for the loudmouthed cretins, but I didn't say anything because I didn't want to associate myself with loudmouthed cretins - Are you kidding? what would the neighbors think? - I thought...."

152

See, the problem here is this Skippy fellow thinks he has a point. He does not.

It's like listening to some whiney kid bitch and moan about how horrible it is 'he has to go to work'.

You don't like us getting involved in the way you adminster justice. Guess what? We're not thrilled when you get involved in ours. I don't have to like my countries laws, but I do reserve the right to get pissed when you tell me how it should be done.

Well, then, definetly don't become an American. That's our gig, man. Europe, Canada, even ass backward Saudi fuckin Arabia, everyone not only knows how to run our country better then us, they also frequently demand the right to vote in our elections so they can actually do so.

But the rest of the world doesn't work off of a neat flag, a cool theme song and the notion that you know best.

No, they work off a neat flag, a cool theme song, and the notion that they know what's best. 

You're upset because Americans are criticizing Canada's legal system and laws?

Suck. It. Up.

Jesus fuckin christ...a Canadian complaining about foreign criticisms....talk about audacity...and irony...

153

BTW, being a government bureaucrat myself, this set of vids really stuck in my craw.

There certainly is a banality to evil. I'm very sure the civil servant here believes in what she is doing, believes that she does good in the world. And I'm likewise sure that Ezra's arguments are being dismissed even as he makes them to her - they're simply not regarded as germane to her task.

As they say, the wheels of bureaucracy grind exceedingly fine. I can see fairly well how this is going to fall out for Ezra, because its fairly easy for me to put on my bureaucrat cap: Watch the vids again, see when she scribbles upon her pad and when she doesn't - his arguments are only so much folderol to her - but she writes down that he means to offend, that he's defiant, etc. She's only scribbling out what's useful to her and her report, which she is duty-bound to provide regardless.

His only choice will be to fight out in a higher court.

154 "I'm just trying to play Joe Friday here. Just the facts regarding how things works here." -- skippystaling above @ 126

And I'm here to explain the facts of subject/verb agreement.

155 damned extra g

156 So, PLEASE don't pretend that Thomas Paine's Rights of Man apply here. They don't.

Then you completely miss the point of Thomas Paine's Rights of Man:
“It is a perversion of terms to say that a charter gives rights. It operates by a contrary effect - that of taking rights away. "Rights are inherently in all the inhabitants; but charters, by annulling those rights, in the majority, leave the right, by exclusion, in the hands of a few.

Now, it's one thing if you disagree with his argument. But it contradicts your other statement that "I haven't spent 25 years studying a Consititution that isn't mine for no reason,  I'm actually scared that your country, which I really do have a deep love for, is heading in same direction as mine."

This isn't some minor aspect of American culture, it's the core of the American system. And it's a shame that in 25 years you still haven't learned that.

Had the people of the original colonies shared your outlook, we would have never have had the Constitution in the first place. That's some "deep love" you've got there.

157 urthshu: I was looking at when she scribbled, too. As to appeals,  I found on the internet where someone appealed the verdict of one of these tribunals and lost. I can't find the link now. I'm not sure if the party then had the option to appeal it to the next higher court. Even if they could, after a while, there are costs to consider and they may have opted out.  Here in the states, there would be numerous amicus briefs and people/organizations pitching in. I think canada has achieved total dhimmitude. As others have pointed out, it means nothing if you object to a law but do nothing about it  -- especially, when it involves something so basic as freedom of speech.  

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Posted by: caspera at January 13, 2008 02:18 AM (kuj/I)"

As a matter of fact, she did.  The episode on the bus was planned by the NAACP as a means of challenging the policy of segregation on city buses.  Rosa Parks herself had been trained at the communist affiliated Highlander Folk school in Tennessee.

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Entropy....thank you.

Skippy,

The irony of your criticizing of our complaining about your country's laws, and then subsequently slamming the Patriot Act, is dripping.

Whether or not Levant is an asshole is beside the point.  He's right.  Every human being has a moral obligation to oppose immoral law.  You may cite our country's lack of opposition to immoral law by bringing up the Patriot Act, or the war on drugs (obviously a favorite of yours...I personally support the legalization of marijuana for the record, though I don't smoke grass myself), but we have a far better record of rolling back immoral laws than your country apparently has.  In fact, we have amended our constitution several times for just that reason.  The 14th Amendment abolished slavery as an institution (and thus, the people, and not Lincoln, freed the slaves).  Prior to 1920, women could not vote.  The 19th Amendment fixed that.  The 18th Amendment had outlawed alcohol...the people openly and actively opposed it, and so the 21st Amendment repealed it.

These are instances of direct, active influence by the people, to change the constitution and laws of the nation, often in the face of open opposition by the government.

And that leaves aside one thing as well.  The right to free speech is not conferred by any government, neither yours nor mine.  It exists because we are human beings.  If I were an athiest, I'd say it belongs to every sentient being.  As I'm not, it comes from God.  But make no mistake.  It doesn't matter where the fuck you live.  If you live in Communist China, you have the right to free speech.  The fact you cannot exercise it is an abomination.  And if you live in Canada, you have it as well.  If you choose to let some low-level governmental bureaucrat cut out your tongue, then you're not a free man.  Ezra is a free man and he refuses to go quietly.  If more of you up there had the guts to say what he says, it would not be so.  Your vocal opposition to him is a tacit acceptance of one fact only:  you have abdicated your own right to free speech.  You might as well not have a blog or comment here.  In short, shut up unless you're going to support this guy.

161 Another video  , you are entitled to your opinions  ........ hilarious .

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Does anyone know when they intend to drag Steyn in front of The People's Court?

163 Ezra best exercised his individual freedom when he stated he did not recognize the commission's authority over him. A-men. It is the right of us all as human beings to accept or reject an individual or organization's presumed authority. A truly brilliant series of defenses, regardless of what Canada's law states. Strength of conviction and appropriate defiance on display here.

164 Dead thread comment: Yeah, I know Rosa Parks technically went looking for trouble. But merely saying she went "looking for trouble" is nonetheless a mischaracterization of what she was trying to accomplish. By this definition anyone who takes a principled stand against tyranny is "looking for trouble," i.e. from the tyrant. The trouble comes from the tyrant, though, not from the individual seeking to be free.

165 Skippy,

Most of the relevant topics have been covered in detail here concerning constitutionality (or lack thereof) of free speech restrictions in the U.S. and Canada.  I believe most parties involved could have done so in a more civil manner, but hey, this is the internets.

Though I feel I have something to add in regards to citizens from one country commenting on the laws and practices of another country's system.  It annoys me as an American to have everyone else in the world telling us we suck, we're stupid, and we would be much better off accepting their brand of socialism or totalitarianism.  However, they have the right to do so, just as I have the right to rail about any government I wish.  The citizens of that country can go ahead and be annoyed.

As an American, given our Supreme Court's growing trend of using foreign and international case law in their decisions on constitutionality of internal matters, I feel particularly strongly about having this right to criticize your government and people for their support of, or lack of resistance to, the creeping Sovietism in your country.  If it stands in your country, one day a panel of judges in mine may decide it stands here as well and I may lose that right for fear of 'offending' some dick thousands of miles away in Eastbufuistan.

166 Luther vs. Eck, round 2.

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Ranba Ral...

While your last point is a good one, I believe it is only one Supreme Court justice who has cited international law in a case, and was rightly ridiculed for it.  But I do not know, and it would take quite a study to find out, how many lower court rulings were based on it.

So...while your last point is good, it's not as bad as you portray, I think...but it could be.  Nice way for me to agree without disagreeing, do you not agree? 

...WTF am I saying?  I agree with your whole post.

168 I'm a conservative in Canada and unfortunately for this cause, none of us really want anything to do with Ezra.  He's viewed here in his homeland by fellow conservatives as a self-promotional lunatic.  He did what he did originally for publicity, and admitted as much.  Now he's paying the piper.  Live/die by the sword.

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