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N.H. Debate Thread Part Deux

The Democrats get their turn to tear each other up.

Have at it and enjoy.

NFL Playoff update: Bryan at Hot Air pointed out that you can follow the Steelers-Jags game online here. Right now it's 7-7, the 2nd quarter is about to get underway.

UPDATE (Jack M.) Oh man...Silky and Obama's alliance against Hillary has just cost her this debate.

She lost her cool on this Health Care/Agent of Change stuff. She made it all about her. "I did this...I did that". And she basically said "NH you owe me..I put your kids on SCHIP."

Bad Hillary came out of the bottle. Someone get Allah to put the clip up. It's probably the most important moment of either debate.

UPDATE 2 (Jack M.) Hillary's "reality break" is her second big mistake tonight. Insinuating that John Edwards killed that 17 year old liver patient by failing to get the Patients Bill of Rights through the House? L.O.L.

Man, she's exposing herself as a lamp-throwing harpy tonight. She's really melting down.

UPDATE 3 (Jack M.) HAHAHAH. Good for Obama. In response to Hillary's taking credit for Clinton-era "accomplishments", his saying "I respect BILL Clinton for getting those things done" is fan-freaking-tastic.

Posted by: DrewM. at 09:52 PM



Comments

1 Whoo-hoo! Cage match!

Posted by: Timothy S. Carlson at January 05, 2008 09:52 PM (uBBUD)

2 Yay! A blank thread! Time to mess it up...

Posted by: lizardbrain at January 05, 2008 09:53 PM (dtrNR)

3 Thanks, Drew.

Posted by: Beth at January 05, 2008 09:53 PM (yqiXY)

4 I sure could use some Zofran for this debate.

Posted by: Beth at January 05, 2008 09:54 PM (yqiXY)

5 McCain's campaign is saying that the debate illustrated that "McCain was the adult in the room"? Yeah, riiiiiiggghhtt.

He's an old man with liberal ideas that needs to be sent to a nursing home.
Come back to Arizona and change your diaper, gramps.

What an ass.

Posted by: Timothy S. Carlson at January 05, 2008 09:55 PM (uBBUD)

6 How bad is it that I'm DVR'ing the rest of this?.  I need a new hobby.

Dinner awaits -- new restaurant, supposed to be good.

Bye all.

Posted by: mesablue at January 05, 2008 09:56 PM (KCOdQ)

7 Thanks for the new thread, Drew.

What's the drinking game for this portion of the debate?

Posted by: Timothy S. Carlson at January 05, 2008 09:57 PM (uBBUD)

Posted by: The Scandis are Coming at January 05, 2008 09:59 PM (moZGt)

9 I'm bummed.  We west-coasters won't get the debates for another hour or so.  I feel so, so, alone.

Posted by: Paulitics at January 05, 2008 10:00 PM (47+Ys)

10 What's the drinking game for this portion of the debate?

That's a good question. I think the 'Change Game' is still valid but to spice it up, I'd suggest every time one of the candidates says, 'Bush' or some formulation in referring to W. drink. 

A bonus game...every time Edwards says 'the rich' or 'the powerful' drink.

Posted by: DrewM. at January 05, 2008 10:00 PM (hlYel)

Posted by: Timothy S. Carlson at January 05, 2008 10:00 PM (uBBUD)

12 Paulitics...

It's being streamed on the web here.

Posted by: DrewM. at January 05, 2008 10:01 PM (hlYel)

13 I think I've finally found a candidate we can all rally around

He's a socialist, you know.  Damn scandis.

Posted by: Beth at January 05, 2008 10:02 PM (yqiXY)

14

Christ, I can't stand George Snuffleupagus.

tmi3rd

Posted by: tmi3rd at January 05, 2008 10:02 PM (RQ7+a)

15 Double-shots for the Shhhhillary cackle.
Put the shot glasses in your ears if her voice pitches above 3Khz.

Posted by: Timothy S. Carlson at January 05, 2008 10:03 PM (uBBUD)

16 Me either, tmi3rd.

OMG, Silky Pony didn't wear lipstick!  Eeeek, fix that!

Posted by: Beth at January 05, 2008 10:03 PM (yqiXY)

17 Damn - they didn't put Shhhhillary between Edwards and Obama.

Damn damn damn.

Posted by: Timothy S. Carlson at January 05, 2008 10:04 PM (uBBUD)

18 Oh, fer Chrissakes, he's asking the Dhimmicrats this question?
Like they take nuclear terrorism seriously?  LOL!

Posted by: Beth at January 05, 2008 10:05 PM (yqiXY)

19 Edwards is trying to figure out how to work in a reference to outsourcing to a question about nuclear terrorism.

Posted by: DrewM. at January 05, 2008 10:07 PM (hlYel)

20 OMG - Obama gets an ''AQ in PAK" question.

"Actionable intelligence" - isn't that what the dhimmi's complain got us in Iraq?
Hypocrites...

Posted by: Timothy S. Carlson at January 05, 2008 10:07 PM (uBBUD)

21 Barack Obama:  The Symphony of Vacuous Platitudes™.

I think every time Obamessiah speaks, I'm going to blast Pantera or something.

Posted by: Beth at January 05, 2008 10:07 PM (yqiXY)

22 I just watch these in case the ghosts of our founding fathers desend and smite the whole damn pannel! Heres hoping!!

Posted by: Hongqi at January 05, 2008 10:07 PM (+WuMm)

23

Obama is certainly trying to sound credible on AQ...

tmi3rd

Posted by: tmi3rd at January 05, 2008 10:08 PM (RQ7+a)

24 Look at how Silky blinks.
Is he flirting with Charlie Gibson?

God, I hate that stupid bimbo.

Posted by: Beth at January 05, 2008 10:09 PM (yqiXY)

25 I just watch these in case the ghosts of our founding fathers desend and smite the whole damn pannel!

Hongqi,

Washington and Franklin are on board but God damn Jefferson is complaining about it. He's such a fucking whiner.

Posted by: John Adams. at January 05, 2008 10:09 PM (hlYel)

26

Ooooookay... Edwards wants to do away with all nukes.

tmi3rd

Posted by: tmi3rd at January 05, 2008 10:10 PM (RQ7+a)

27 So, Iraq's an unwinnable quagmire, but you're going to invade a country with six times its population, numerous hiding place, a much more radical populace, and nuclear weapons. Fantastic

Posted by: AD at January 05, 2008 10:10 PM (4gDkY)

28 Hypocrites...

Timothy, that's their whole schtick.  It is funny how he was talking pre-emptive foreign policy...I'll love it if the nutroots is cheering for him on that one.  Heh.

Posted by: Beth at January 05, 2008 10:10 PM (yqiXY)

29 Thanks, Drew, but for some reason it's not working -- no live feed.  Maybe I'm more retarded than usual tonight.

Posted by: Paulitics at January 05, 2008 10:11 PM (47+Ys)

30 Hey Richardson wants to use diplomacy!

Does that include call Musharraf a dictator and a terrorist? Apparently it does.

This dimwit thinks the Pakistani Constitution is worth the paper it's written on. What a joke.

Posted by: DrewM. at January 05, 2008 10:11 PM (hlYel)

31 Bill Richardson:  "Hi, I get my foreign policy ideas from Al Qaeda!"

Posted by: Beth at January 05, 2008 10:11 PM (yqiXY)

32

Richardson says he'd "ask Musharraf to step aside".

Suuuuuurrre...

tmi3rd

Posted by: tmi3rd at January 05, 2008 10:11 PM (RQ7+a)

33 Jefferson and pony would have shacked up in France.

Posted by: Hongqi at January 05, 2008 10:12 PM (+WuMm)

34 Edwards is such a dolt. This guy was a successful lawyer at one time? Doesn't say much for lawyers.

What the hell is he babbling about?
Yup - skirted the question.

Nice hairpiece, Richardson. Too bad there's nothing under it.

Posted by: Timothy S. Carlson at January 05, 2008 10:12 PM (uBBUD)

35

Billy boy, when people realize they're in a hole, they quit digging. Evidently, you didn't get the memo.

tmi3rd

Posted by: tmi3rd at January 05, 2008 10:13 PM (RQ7+a)

36 "If we have actionable intelligence that is real"

Subtext:

"If we have actionable intelligence and a war would be popular!"

Posted by: Beth at January 05, 2008 10:13 PM (yqiXY)

37

So now Hillary tries to take credit for Bill's Tomahawk strike...

tmi3rd

Posted by: tmi3rd at January 05, 2008 10:13 PM (RQ7+a)

38

I sure could use some Zofran for this debate.

You are in luck, I have some right here!  I wouldn't weather a pregnancy or a Democratic debate without it.

Posted by: misplaced Texan at January 05, 2008 10:13 PM (unRcj)

39 More NATO Troops?

What a joke Hillary. They won't send them and the few they send they won't let fight.  But hey, they are allies so that's all that counts.

Posted by: DrewM. at January 05, 2008 10:14 PM (hlYel)

40 Thanks, Drew, but for some reason it's not working -- no live feed.  Maybe I'm more retarded than usual tonight.

It's not you - it's the content

Posted by: Timothy S. Carlson at January 05, 2008 10:14 PM (uBBUD)

41 Argh.  No Zofran here for teh Hitlery.

Posted by: Beth at January 05, 2008 10:14 PM (yqiXY)

42 I love how Hillary just slipped in that Musharraf was elected and the upcoming elections are for parliment.  Like she knew that all along. Yeah right, bitch.

Posted by: DrewM. at January 05, 2008 10:15 PM (hlYel)

43 I love how they ALL talk about what they would do under ideal circumstances that they somehow control. 
They're so full of SHIT.

We're paying for our support of the Shah?  STFU, dick.  God, he really is taking his cues from Al Qaeda/Hizb'allah/the mullahs.

Posted by: Beth at January 05, 2008 10:16 PM (yqiXY)

44 The Bush administration has walked away?

So I guess that mean that the Clinton adminstration ran away, screaming like little girls.

Posted by: Timothy S. Carlson at January 05, 2008 10:16 PM (uBBUD)

45

OMFG... Richardson is trying to say that backing the Shah is the reason we've had the problems we do in the Middle East.

tmi3rd

Posted by: tmi3rd at January 05, 2008 10:17 PM (RQ7+a)

46

Not one of these fuckers has talked for a second about how to contain nuclear terrorism.

tmi3rd

Posted by: tmi3rd at January 05, 2008 10:18 PM (RQ7+a)

47 I am so fucking tired of "we abandoned the hunt for bin Laden because of Iraq" because we were "distracted."  Like Iraq diverted all attention and money from everything else, and they just rewrote the historical record.

Posted by: Beth at January 05, 2008 10:18 PM (yqiXY)

48 Holy crap - where were these questions for the Reps?

C'mon Shhhhillary - what can we do to prevent it? You learned from Bill, didn't you?

Posted by: Timothy S. Carlson at January 05, 2008 10:19 PM (uBBUD)

49 The Dems have to be hating that Gibson is saying a nuclear attack is a high possibility in the next President's term.  If the electorate buys into that, none of these fools will be elected.

Ooooh, Silky sounds tough.

Who goes to first responders first, Obama or Hillary?

Posted by: DrewM. at January 05, 2008 10:19 PM (hlYel)

50 Silky:  "Blah blah blah I don't know how to contain nukular terrorism, but I'm going to talk so it looks like I have an answer!"

Posted by: Beth at January 05, 2008 10:20 PM (yqiXY)

51

What the fuck was Edwards just talking about?

tmi3rd

Posted by: tmi3rd at January 05, 2008 10:20 PM (RQ7+a)

52 No more nukes!  Yeah, Bin Laden will sign that NPT!

Posted by: Beth at January 05, 2008 10:20 PM (yqiXY)

53 The NNP regime has fallen apart under Bush, Sen. Obama?  Seems the Pakis got the bomb and AQ Khan put them for sale on e-bay during the Clinton Administration.

Posted by: DrewM. at January 05, 2008 10:21 PM (hlYel)

54 Thanx, guys. I don't have a television, and for some reason, I can't get the live feed to work. So I'm seeing this through your eyes.

From what I'm seeing, I'm guessing that some of you have been drinking.

Posted by: lizardbrain at January 05, 2008 10:21 PM (dtrNR)

55 I cannot believe they're talking about a nuclear nonproliferation treaty and shit.  Are they that fucking obtuse?

Posted by: Beth at January 05, 2008 10:22 PM (yqiXY)

56

Okay, so Hillary just restated the Bush doctrine...

tmi3rd

Posted by: tmi3rd at January 05, 2008 10:23 PM (RQ7+a)

57 Oh shit! Tighten port security, but open the borders? These asses are frickin' insane.

HY-PO-CRITES

Posted by: Timothy S. Carlson at January 05, 2008 10:23 PM (uBBUD)

58 From what I'm seeing, I'm guessing that some of you have been drinking.

That's a dirty fucking lie. I have not been having sex with a giraffe. I'll kick you ass for saying that.

Oh, you said drinking. Yeah, a little. Sorry about that.

Posted by: DrewM. at January 05, 2008 10:23 PM (hlYel)

59 Okay, Hillary--everyone believes bin Laden is in Pakistan.  So if AQ hits us, we nuke Pakistan?

I don't think these people take this question seriously AT ALL.  Not that I thought they would.

Posted by: Beth at January 05, 2008 10:23 PM (yqiXY)

60 Richardson wants to negotiate with the Soviet Union?

He might find that conversation a tad bit one sided.

Posted by: DrewM. at January 05, 2008 10:24 PM (hlYel)

61

The other thing I just loooooove is that they're still trying to run against Bush...

tmi3rd

Posted by: tmi3rd at January 05, 2008 10:25 PM (RQ7+a)

62 Of any of them, Hillary is actually the least scary w/r/t foreign policy.  The other shit, though...God help us.

Posted by: Beth at January 05, 2008 10:25 PM (yqiXY)

63 OMFG... Richardson is trying to say that backing the Shah is the reason we've had the problems we do in the Middle East.

Didn't you hear?  The U.S. backing the Shah 50 negates every single American policy in the Middle East, ever.

"Al Qaeda is planning . . ."

"Shah"

"Saddam Hussein is plotting . . ."

"Shah"

"You know, the large bulk of actions we've taken overseas lately have involved coming to the aid of Muslims . . ."

"Shah"

This also marks the 2,358,732,459,623,489th the Shah was mentioned with no reference to the Cold War.

Posted by: AD at January 05, 2008 10:25 PM (4gDkY)

64 Gibson: So, what programs would you propose, and what would it cost?
Shhhhillary: How much ya got, big boy?

Posted by: Timothy S. Carlson at January 05, 2008 10:25 PM (uBBUD)

65 "Of any of them" = Dhimmicrats, obviously.

Posted by: Beth at January 05, 2008 10:26 PM (yqiXY)

66 A segment on CHANGE!!!111!!

Get you bottles out.

Posted by: DrewM. at January 05, 2008 10:27 PM (hlYel)

67 Speaking of the terrifying "other shit" - Hillarycare. 

Posted by: Beth at January 05, 2008 10:27 PM (yqiXY)

68 Wait, we dominate Washington now?  Wtf?

Posted by: AD at January 05, 2008 10:27 PM (4gDkY)

69 Change ... change ... change ... change ...

Holy crap - I'm getting hammered.

Posted by: Timothy S. Carlson at January 05, 2008 10:27 PM (uBBUD)

70 HAHAH Clinton just stated the Bush doctrine has the way to go.

From what I'm hearing here, Bush has won in foreign policy wise. You have to leave military force out there on the table now. So the question is to the America people want to blow up terrorists, or do they want to blow up terrorists and destroy the healthcare system in this country?

Posted by: Britt at January 05, 2008 10:27 PM (FK2zk)

71

Hillary just said that she's for change, as long as that change doesn't change anything....

tmi3rd

Posted by: tmi3rd at January 05, 2008 10:29 PM (RQ7+a)

72 Wait, we dominate Washington now?  Wtf?

Of course. Pelosi and Reid are complete powerless/useless.

Posted by: Timothy S. Carlson at January 05, 2008 10:29 PM (uBBUD)

73

Hillary is actually the least scary w/r/t foreign policy

Look, even though I can't get the debate yet, I'm damn tired of this meme.  Are you a fucking moron?  Who the fuck do you think gave away the nuclear shop to the ChiComs during the '90s?????  Hillary is a card-carrying Marxist intent on reordering government and society to fit her vision of a good communist state reporting to the UN and ICC.  I trust her with our defense and foreign policy as far as I can throw the Washington Monument.

And fuck you, JackM, for not writing my epic poem to Julie Banderas.

Maybe one more Old Buzzard Balls will help take the edge of my bitterness.

Posted by: Paulitics at January 05, 2008 10:30 PM (47+Ys)

74 So the question is to the America people want to blow up terrorists, or do they want to blow up terrorists and destroy the healthcare system in this country?

I wish I could believe Hillary was for the Bush doctrine, but I don't believe her AT ALL, although she is closer to it than the others.

Also, you could say "blow up terrorists and destroy the healthcare system" about some of the Republicans (Romney probably, Huckabee for sure).

Posted by: Beth at January 05, 2008 10:30 PM (yqiXY)

75 Alright, here we go.

Hillary and Obama.  Let's get it on!

Posted by: DrewM. at January 05, 2008 10:31 PM (hlYel)

76 "Sex with a giraffe"?

A standing giraffe?

Stilts?  Ladder?  Trapeze?

Posted by: eman at January 05, 2008 10:31 PM (8iSfZ)

77

Hillary's throwing everything she's got at Obama, and it sure seems like he's parrying quite a bit of it.

tmi3rd

Posted by: tmi3rd at January 05, 2008 10:32 PM (RQ7+a)

78 I'm not sure if this is a good or a bad thing, but so far this seems remarkably more dull than the Republican version.

Posted by: AD at January 05, 2008 10:32 PM (4gDkY)

79 Paulitics, I'll repeat:

"I wish I could believe Hillary was for the Bush doctrine, but I don't believe her AT ALL, although she is closer to it than the others."

Posted by: Beth at January 05, 2008 10:32 PM (yqiXY)

80 tmi3rd

Yeah but she's got a tough job. She's got to kill him but can't be seen to be doing it.

Bill could pull that off but not many others can. She's just not that good or experienced as a politician.

Oh and...Change.

Posted by: DrewM. at January 05, 2008 10:33 PM (hlYel)

81 Who the fuck do you think gave away the nuclear shop to the ChiComs during the '90s?????

That would be Bill Clinton.  Hillary was just the First Lady, despite what she keeps trying to have you believe.

Posted by: Beth at January 05, 2008 10:33 PM (yqiXY)

82 ooo - it's getting testy.

It's for the children! <retch>

As long as the child isn't in the womb, that is. Then we'll just rip them limb-from-limb.

Silky!

Posted by: Timothy S. Carlson at January 05, 2008 10:34 PM (uBBUD)

83

These guys sure are talking a lot of change without proposing to change much...

tmi3rd

Posted by: tmi3rd at January 05, 2008 10:34 PM (RQ7+a)

84 I wish the Democrats would stop invoking my name.

I have not endorsed a candidate yet.

Posted by: Change at January 05, 2008 10:35 PM (hlYel)

85 Fuck you, Silky Pony.  He's such a coward--he's calling Hitlery "the status quo."  JUST SAY IT, you candyass.  "Hillary is negative."  It's easy.

Posted by: Beth at January 05, 2008 10:35 PM (yqiXY)

86

And even Edwards is getting in on the anti-Hillary rush... and she's getting pissed... and shrill.

This is getting funny. I-me-I! Me me me me meeeeee!

tmi3rd

Posted by: tmi3rd at January 05, 2008 10:35 PM (RQ7+a)

87 Holy shit is Hillary pissed. This is fantastic.

Posted by: Robbie at January 05, 2008 10:35 PM (LSkoK)

88 Change ... change ... <hic> ... change <gurgle> ... cahegn...

AHHHHHHH!

Oh, there goes the voice.

Posted by: Timothy S. Carlson at January 05, 2008 10:35 PM (uBBUD)

89

Change? Inevitable (except from vending machines and dhimmies)

Posted by: buzzsaw at January 05, 2008 10:36 PM (oCMdU)

90 First time I mixed my Methadone with Vicodin. I need the double whammy to get through this nonsense.

Posted by: Capitalist Infidel at January 05, 2008 10:36 PM (Lgw9b)

91 When they say they want to make change are they talking about two 5's for a 10? 4 quarters for a dollar.

What do they mean?

Never mind...change.

Posted by: DrewM. at January 05, 2008 10:36 PM (hlYel)

92 ARGH.  "Change."  Sick of it.

Posted by: Beth at January 05, 2008 10:37 PM (yqiXY)

93 BR is a whiner... What is wrong with me? Don't you love me?

Posted by: buzzsaw at January 05, 2008 10:37 PM (oCMdU)

94

Edwards is trying not to laugh, and Richardson just lost his train of thought.

tmi3rd

Posted by: tmi3rd at January 05, 2008 10:38 PM (RQ7+a)

95 Bill Richardson - the 'Mellow' candidate.
Unless you are the president of PAK.

CHANGE! Change ... <hehehehe>

Holy merciful crap.

Posted by: Timothy S. Carlson at January 05, 2008 10:38 PM (uBBUD)

96 "I love change"
-Bill Richardson

There are going to be some great mash ups about all the repeating mentions of change.

Change!

Posted by: DrewM. at January 05, 2008 10:38 PM (hlYel)

97 I can do change!  I can do change!

What?  You wanna know WHAT I'm going to change?  Ummm...I'm not Bush!  That's what I'm gonna change!

Posted by: Beth at January 05, 2008 10:38 PM (yqiXY)

98

Beth, Beth, Beth, poor alcohol-deprived Beth...

Although you know I love and you're invited over anytime to spend time with me and Julie Banderas, I respectfully disagree.  You wrote Hillary is actually the least scary w/r/t foreign policy.

Or did I miss something?

Another thing... my anger isn't directed solely at you; it's directed at all conservatives who actually believe H! will be tough in terms of foreign policy.  Yes, she's vicious, cold, calculating, blood-thirsty, and always is a state of anger-induced rage bordering on psychotic violence, but it's never directed beyond the water's edge.  It's always at the US.

Posted by: Paulitics at January 05, 2008 10:39 PM (47+Ys)

99 I can't be objective, but is Hillary looking like such a witch here?

Posted by: Rightwingsparkle at January 05, 2008 10:40 PM (dh4Tv)

100

Silky evidently doesn't think that trial lawyers are an entrenched special interest.

Posted by: buzzsaw at January 05, 2008 10:40 PM (oCMdU)

101

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8nU-q5YPRQ

Watch this at the commercial, in honor of making change.

tmi3rd

Posted by: tmi3rd at January 05, 2008 10:40 PM (RQ7+a)

102 "Accountable government."

Like that's something new to talk about.  Just like "cutting waste in government."  Yawn.

Posted by: Beth at January 05, 2008 10:41 PM (yqiXY)

103 New drinking game for this section..every time a Democrat says "political progress" drink. If you have any left after the change segment.

Oh...Change.

Posted by: DrewM. at January 05, 2008 10:42 PM (hlYel)

104

First time I mixed my Methadone with Vicodin. I need the double whammy to get through this nonsense.

I mixed Versed with Dilaudid after my operation two weeks ago.  I think I saw Elivs.  And not the dead-fat-bloated-momma-lovin' version, either.

Posted by: Paulitics at January 05, 2008 10:42 PM (47+Ys)

105

Hillary is working overtime to keep her cool... and the smile is getting smaller and smaller every time.

tmi3rd

Posted by: tmi3rd at January 05, 2008 10:42 PM (RQ7+a)

106 Paulitics, to me, she IS the least scary of the dems, because she's a self-preservationist above all.  "Least scary" does not equal "reassuring," it means the others are completely out to lunch.

Posted by: Beth at January 05, 2008 10:43 PM (yqiXY)

107 dhimmies still living a lie about the surge and victory in Iraq. Hitlery moves the goal posts.

Posted by: buzzsaw at January 05, 2008 10:43 PM (oCMdU)

108 Change = bigger goverment
Change = more taxes
Change = jobs for my cronies
Change = nothing to compare my performance to
Change = because we can

It's like a mid-level manager coming in to a company and completely fucking up productivity because of their 'changes for the better'.

If it's not broke, don't fix it assholes.
Even if it is not working well, but working, don't introduce sweeping change unless you want it all to go completely bugshit.

Posted by: Timothy S. Carlson at January 05, 2008 10:44 PM (uBBUD)

109

Charlie just hosed down Richardson and Clinton. Wow!

tmi3rd

Posted by: tmi3rd at January 05, 2008 10:45 PM (RQ7+a)

110 Good job by Gibson to stand up for progress in Iraq.

Oh and the fact that there's no reconciliation is just bull shit. Here's one random bit of evidence.

Posted by: DrewM. at January 05, 2008 10:45 PM (hlYel)

111 (And again, I'm only talking foreign policy--God knows I'm not talking domestic policy.)

Also, what makes Hitlery truly dangerous w/r/t FP is who she'd put at State, DCI, DHS, NSA, DOD, etc.  That's got long-term implications (i.e. Joe & Valerie, etc.).

Posted by: Beth at January 05, 2008 10:45 PM (yqiXY)

112 Bitch. She's defending herself for calling Petraeus a liar.

She was looking relatively sensible on foreign stuff (compared to the other idiots, a low bar) until now.

Posted by: stace at January 05, 2008 10:46 PM (4x6iT)

113

This is the first time I've heard Obama sound like he's on the defensive. Thin and stuttering.

tmi3rd

Posted by: tmi3rd at January 05, 2008 10:47 PM (RQ7+a)

114 The Democrats victory in '06 was responsible for the Anbar Awakening?

That's such a big lie Obama's ears just grew.

Posted by: DrewM. at January 05, 2008 10:47 PM (hlYel)

115 If it's not broke, don't fix it assholes.

Exactly.  Problem is, America is perpetually broken to the Left--at least until we're like Sweden.

Posted by: Beth at January 05, 2008 10:47 PM (yqiXY)

116 Oh dear f'ng god, now Obama wants to give the Democrats credit for Anbar.

Posted by: AD at January 05, 2008 10:47 PM (4gDkY)

117 That's such a big lie Obama's ears just grew.

Did he just say that?  I missed it!  What chutzpah!

Posted by: Beth at January 05, 2008 10:48 PM (yqiXY)

118 That was a jaw-droppingly bad assessment by Obama. That's hysterical. Madness.  Wow. I'm still in shock.

Posted by: Greg at January 05, 2008 10:48 PM (IwobE)

119 THE SURGE ISN'T WORKING!!! I DON'T CARE WHAT THE FACTS ON THE GROUND ARE1111! IT'S NOT WORKING!!1

Posted by: stace at January 05, 2008 10:48 PM (4x6iT)

120

Wow. Edwards just flat out bullshitted on the withdrawal of the Brits from Basra.

tmi3rd

Posted by: tmi3rd at January 05, 2008 10:48 PM (RQ7+a)

121 "When the Brits started to pull their troops out, in their region, there was a significant reduction in violence" -John Edwards

What universe are these people living in?

Posted by: AD at January 05, 2008 10:49 PM (4gDkY)

122 Beth, I wish you were right, but I'm certain that whatever she would say or do publicly would cover the fact that she was giving away the nuclear shop on the QT.  I also see her elevating CSR to a government-mandated diktat that, along with tax increases and green initiatives et al., would destroy our economy.

Posted by: Paulitics at January 05, 2008 10:50 PM (47+Ys)

123 Did he just say that?  I missed it!  What chutzpah!

Yes he did.

When they say change they mean change. History, reality, everything is subject to change. It's just that powerful.

Posted by: DrewM. at January 05, 2008 10:50 PM (hlYel)

124 Silky and the others are so completely full of shit on Iraq it's not even funny.  They are astoundingly stupid, and if they think withdrawal right now will "solve" the problems, they're liars and fools.

Posted by: Beth at January 05, 2008 10:50 PM (yqiXY)

125 Wow.  Gibson just hit Silky with a good Iraq question. 

Posted by: eman at January 05, 2008 10:50 PM (8iSfZ)

126

Richardson just cannot get away from the domestic stuff.

tmi3rd

Posted by: tmi3rd at January 05, 2008 10:50 PM (RQ7+a)

127 I can't believe it. Gibson is more realistic about the current state of Iraq than any of the Dems. The Dems are like holocaust deniers.

Posted by: stace at January 05, 2008 10:52 PM (4x6iT)

128 They are only trying to justify their own existance.

Uh oh - Silky is hedging - "If my military commanders require more time..."

Dhimmis - like a UN peace keeping force can do the job. Like they want to do the job. Like they wouldn't be ideologically opposed to doing the job.

Just look at Africa. Look at southern Lebanon.

The dhimmis always say we are screwing Iraq - let's send in the UN and finish the job!

Posted by: Timothy S. Carlson at January 05, 2008 10:53 PM (uBBUD)

129 God Damn Richardson had to play peacemaker. Just when they started to fight he calmed them down. Fucking Gibson let them get away with it.

The problem is these Democrats have no differences between them. At least the Republicans fight over ideas, these guys? Nothing.

Posted by: DrewM. at January 05, 2008 10:53 PM (hlYel)

130 Hello, folks.  The Surge already happened and it's working!

Holy flying fuckwhales!  Have these pinheads been in a coma the past year?


Posted by: eman at January 05, 2008 10:54 PM (8iSfZ)

131 This (Iraq) is why I think Hillary is the least scary--I think she actually does understand it's not as easy as immediate clean withdrawal, like that bonehead Richardson does (or the other two, for that matter).  I also think she does understand the terrorist threat better than the others.  I do not trust her to handle it properly, though.

Posted by: Beth at January 05, 2008 10:55 PM (yqiXY)

132

So here we are at the break, and I have to say (and bear in mind, I only worked for NBC and CBS), Charlie is absolutely rocking as the moderator. I don't have a whole lot of love for ABC News, but this has been excellent.

You can see where guys like Brit Hume got their start. Good job, Charlie.

tmi3rd

Posted by: tmi3rd at January 05, 2008 10:56 PM (RQ7+a)

133 I hope during the break Obama's people tell him to keep goading Hillary into attacking him. She comes off terribly doing that.

Richardson really saved her ass by changing the tone. Fucker.

Posted by: DrewM. at January 05, 2008 10:56 PM (hlYel)

134 Have these pinheads been in a coma the past year?

Yes.

Actually, I think they may know, but how can they get nominated if they infuriate the nutroots?

Posted by: Beth at January 05, 2008 10:57 PM (yqiXY)

135 I think all of the Dem candidates realize they're talking out of their asses when it comes to Iraq; they're saying what they are for the sake of the moonbats.  I think they all know we're going to be in Iraq for some time to come.

Posted by: Paulitics at January 05, 2008 10:57 PM (47+Ys)

136 Richardson really saved her ass by changing the tone. Fucker.

He must still be running for VP.

Posted by: Beth at January 05, 2008 10:58 PM (yqiXY)

137 Oooh, quality Hillary cackle there. Drink.

Posted by: DrewM. at January 05, 2008 10:58 PM (hlYel)

138 Whoops!  She almost let out a cackle!

Posted by: Beth at January 05, 2008 10:58 PM (yqiXY)

139 Just wait - if things start going well enough in Iraq, they will start taking credit for it.

CACKLE ALERT!!! Double-cackle, quadruple shots!!!

ChNge!!111!1!1!

Posted by: Timothy S. Carlson at January 05, 2008 10:58 PM (uBBUD)

140 So here we are at the break, and I have to say (and bear in mind, I only worked for NBC and CBS), Charlie is absolutely rocking as the moderator.

No kidding. He can't spend the evening calling them out on everything, but he's been doing enough to probably piss off some people watching this.

Posted by: AD at January 05, 2008 10:59 PM (4gDkY)

141 That Iraq discussion made me want to start donating to the RNC again.

Posted by: stace at January 05, 2008 10:59 PM (4x6iT)

142 Eh, sorry Drew, that was only a half-cackle.  ;-P

Posted by: Beth at January 05, 2008 10:59 PM (yqiXY)

143 Of course they all know the surge is working and we are winning in Iraq, but they also know their audience.  Dem voters are, with few exceptions, bubble-brained nitwits, so Dem pols have to sound as much like them as they can.

Am I being too nice?

Posted by: eman at January 05, 2008 10:59 PM (8iSfZ)

144 "Voters don't like you".

Hillary says that hurt and Obama says 'you're likable enough'?

That's was an odd exchange but when Hillary gets to play the victim it works for her.

Posted by: DrewM. at January 05, 2008 11:00 PM (hlYel)

145 Did Shhhhillary just insinuate that Bush is still drinking?

CHANGE!

Posted by: Timothy S. Carlson at January 05, 2008 11:00 PM (uBBUD)

146 That Iraq discussion made me want to start donating to the RNC again.

Yay!  I hope you aren't the only one.

Posted by: Beth at January 05, 2008 11:00 PM (yqiXY)

147 OMG, she's the agent of change because she's a woman???

WEAK.  That's so fucking weak I want to cackle myself.

Posted by: Beth at January 05, 2008 11:01 PM (yqiXY)

148 Yeah, because electing a black guy would just be business as usual for the US.

Posted by: DrewM. at January 05, 2008 11:02 PM (hlYel)

149 I think after these debates Gibson is going to donate to the RNC.

Posted by: eman at January 05, 2008 11:03 PM (8iSfZ)

150 For real, Drew.

Posted by: Beth at January 05, 2008 11:03 PM (yqiXY)

151

That's so fucking weak I want to cackle myself.

I'm willing to bet most AoS morons would pay to see that.

Posted by: Paulitics at January 05, 2008 11:03 PM (47+Ys)

152 Tax Cuts to working families?

The problem is - their definition of a 'working family'.

Yeah, Barack - you dhimmis don't listen.

Posted by: Timothy S. Carlson at January 05, 2008 11:04 PM (uBBUD)

153 Another symphony of vacuous platitudes.

Posted by: Beth at January 05, 2008 11:04 PM (yqiXY)

154 eh, this is slipping into BS talking points.

The Republicans were at least lively.

I want to see Silky start mixing it up again.

Posted by: DrewM. at January 05, 2008 11:06 PM (hlYel)

155 How many kids under 12 are in New Mexico?
I think the city of Philidelphia has more than them.

NM program - not so expensive.
NATIONWIDE program - :O

Posted by: Timothy S. Carlson at January 05, 2008 11:06 PM (uBBUD)

156 Hey Bill, how are you gonna pay for mandated 50mpg?

Oh...sorry.  That wasn't asked.

Posted by: Beth at January 05, 2008 11:08 PM (yqiXY)

157 "We need a bi-partisan approach" = the Reps need to STFU and agree to everything

Posted by: Timothy S. Carlson at January 05, 2008 11:08 PM (uBBUD)

158 And Richardson just put his bid into be Obama's running mate. Comparing him to Kennedy? Before I believe that I want to know what Kennedy's position on change was.

Posted by: DrewM. at January 05, 2008 11:09 PM (hlYel)

159 Gawd - this is getting boring now.

Posted by: Timothy S. Carlson at January 05, 2008 11:10 PM (uBBUD)

160 Hey Hillary:  NO FOREIGN LOBBYISTS.  (That includes China, yo.)

Also, I'm really tired of the "bad lobbyist" and "special interests" cliche.  We *all* have "special interests."  The military, lower taxes, social security reform, etc.

Posted by: Beth at January 05, 2008 11:11 PM (yqiXY)

161 I was fixing to chug one for every "corporate greed". Good thing, he's not coming through on that.

Posted by: stace at January 05, 2008 11:11 PM (4x6iT)

162 Wow! John Edwards has been fighting special interests for 54 years!

Posted by: Greg at January 05, 2008 11:11 PM (IwobE)

163 Silky:  Vote for me!  If you're injured, I can help you win!

Posted by: Beth at January 05, 2008 11:12 PM (yqiXY)

164 Here comes Silky and his class warfare pander.

I love how he hates lobbyists, hates them to the core of his soul.  Thank God trial lawyers never lobby the federal government.

Posted by: DrewM. at January 05, 2008 11:13 PM (hlYel)

165 edwards gets his $$$ from attorneys - not technically a "special interest" - but in real terms they are one of the biggest lobbying blocks out there

Posted by: jason at January 05, 2008 11:13 PM (v3Bwa)

166 "Working class yada-yada-yada"

Uh-oh. Stumbling on gifts from lobbyists.

Posted by: Timothy S. Carlson at January 05, 2008 11:13 PM (uBBUD)

167 Right on "special interests". Universities, enviro groups, unions, NGOs of all kinds--all lobby.

Posted by: stace at January 05, 2008 11:14 PM (4x6iT)

168 oops ... yeah what you said Drew !

Posted by: jason at January 05, 2008 11:14 PM (v3Bwa)

169 larded !!

Posted by: jason at January 05, 2008 11:15 PM (v3Bwa)

170 Did Hillary just say Edwards' inability to pass a Patient's Bill of Rights killed a kid?

Wow.

Posted by: DrewM. at January 05, 2008 11:15 PM (hlYel)

171 Vote for me!  Silky killed a kid!

Posted by: Beth at January 05, 2008 11:16 PM (yqiXY)

172 if you need change for a dollar, hillary's the agent of change

Posted by: jason at January 05, 2008 11:16 PM (v3Bwa)

173 They just blamed Bush for the death of the girl who needed a liver transplant.

And Shhhhillary is claiming martyrdom. And an agent of change. Next she will walk on water.

Posted by: Timothy S. Carlson at January 05, 2008 11:17 PM (uBBUD)

174 Vote for me!  I lived in the White House when Bill was President!

Ugh.

Posted by: Beth at January 05, 2008 11:18 PM (yqiXY)

175 Taxes on the wealthy - there it is!

Change! Hard! Possible! Change!

Posted by: Timothy S. Carlson at January 05, 2008 11:18 PM (uBBUD)

176 Here we go...round two.

If Richardson jumps in again, he should be kicked off the stage.

Silky, "Special interests are literally stealing our children's futures"

Do they then sell them on e-bay? What do they do with all those futures?

Posted by: DrewM. at January 05, 2008 11:19 PM (hlYel)

177 Hillary only makes change for a dollar with Yen.

Posted by: Jack M. at January 05, 2008 11:19 PM (Rt2uy)

178 Silky is a fucking moron.  Does he actually think excoriating lobbyists will increase the middle class' standard of living?  WTF?!

Posted by: Beth at January 05, 2008 11:19 PM (yqiXY)

179 Ooops, now Silky is intimating Hillary killed the kid.

Come on, it was Karl Rove, right?

Posted by: DrewM. at January 05, 2008 11:20 PM (hlYel)

180 obama slams hillary b/c her husband lost congress !!!! now THAT is funny

Posted by: jason at January 05, 2008 11:21 PM (v3Bwa)

181 Obama is now defending being an empty, talking suit.

These four are fundamentally unserious.

And here comes peacemaker Bill.

Shut up Bill! Shut up!!!!!!

Posted by: DrewM. at January 05, 2008 11:21 PM (hlYel)

182 Richardson is cooling everyone off again. Damn.

Posted by: Timothy S. Carlson at January 05, 2008 11:22 PM (uBBUD)

183 These fuckers are so boring it hurts.

Posted by: Beth at January 05, 2008 11:22 PM (yqiXY)

184 Heh, they're all yelling at each other over who was the biggest changist! ?Quien es mas cambiando?

Yeah, Silky has never been to one of those cocktail parties that LOBBYISTS go to. My left buttcheek.

Posted by: stace at January 05, 2008 11:22 PM (4x6iT)

185 OMG, he won't stfu about special interests!  Good God.

Posted by: Beth at January 05, 2008 11:23 PM (yqiXY)

186

they make fun of giuliani for being a one-trick pony ... but they all just repreat the same damn thing every time.

edwards is the worst

Posted by: jason at January 05, 2008 11:24 PM (v3Bwa)

187

This is interesting. It's like watching Barack play big-stack poker. Hillary's pushing a lot of chips to the table with iffy hands, and he's just calling all her bluffs. Curious indeed.

tmi3rd

Posted by: tmi3rd at January 05, 2008 11:25 PM (RQ7+a)

188 BR:  We need mandates because the gubmint knows what's best!

Posted by: Beth at January 05, 2008 11:25 PM (yqiXY)

189 You know, it would almost be fun to watch silky become president.
He is so adamant against lobbyists and special interests, the first scandal
would be almost worth it. Almost.

Me thinks he doth protest too much.

"No lobbyists and special interests" = "see me on election day"

Posted by: Timothy S. Carlson at January 05, 2008 11:25 PM (uBBUD)

190 somebody should re-distribute richardson's extra chin into hillary's wrinkles

Posted by: jason at January 05, 2008 11:25 PM (v3Bwa)

191 Who's gonna pay for everyone to insulate their homes and get the expensive light bulbs, Barack?

Posted by: Beth at January 05, 2008 11:27 PM (yqiXY)

192 there you go ... hillary's trashing the hot economy

Posted by: jason at January 05, 2008 11:27 PM (v3Bwa)

193 tmi3rd

Good analogy.

The fact is aside from the bad policies, the history, the unlikability and all the rest, Hillary just isn't a good politician. She walks into traps and she can't modulate her performance. She has no timing, no ear for the moment. She's just not good at the basic skills of being a politician.

Posted by: DrewM. at January 05, 2008 11:27 PM (hlYel)

194 light bulbs and weatherization = small-minded

Posted by: jason at January 05, 2008 11:28 PM (v3Bwa)

195 WTF?  Charlie Gibson was the first one to say "jobs." 
I really expected there'd be about 1000 "jobs" said by now.

Oh here we go..."tax cuts for teh rich."  Yawn. 

Posted by: Beth at January 05, 2008 11:29 PM (yqiXY)

196

drew,

you're right. obama can give a good speech - if he's practiced it for two days. none of them are particularly light on their feet. they just spew their talking point.

example ... edwards crap right now

Posted by: jason at January 05, 2008 11:29 PM (v3Bwa)

197 Truer words never spoken, Drew.

Posted by: Beth at January 05, 2008 11:30 PM (yqiXY)

198 The nanny-state expansion - you are seeing it on that stage, folks.

Posted by: Timothy S. Carlson at January 05, 2008 11:30 PM (uBBUD)

199 Awww, poor college kids.
This is YET ANOTHER tired cliche.  :vomiting:

(where's that zofran?)

Posted by: Beth at January 05, 2008 11:31 PM (yqiXY)

200 Oh noes, companies are making money.

How's Hillary and the gang going to explain to people when their mutal funds crater because they are taxing the companies these people are investing in?

The US may lose 30 million jobs in the next decade, Silky? Yeah and I may wind up having sex with Diane Kruger but....

Posted by: DrewM. at January 05, 2008 11:33 PM (hlYel)

201 hey richardson: that line "I'm the only one who's run something" is getting you 4%. give it up - and try something else

Posted by: jason at January 05, 2008 11:34 PM (v3Bwa)

202 Um, the Democratic Party was the party of jobs and economic growth?
What the fuck is he smoking?

Posted by: Beth at January 05, 2008 11:34 PM (yqiXY)

203 stalling

Posted by: jason at January 05, 2008 11:35 PM (v3Bwa)

204 Dear Beth. Your life called, it wants you back.

:-P

Posted by: Vinnie at January 05, 2008 11:35 PM (Nez/x)

205

answer the damn question

a clinton can never admit a mistake

Posted by: jason at January 05, 2008 11:35 PM (v3Bwa)

206 Hillary wishes she could take back The Cackle and the drivers' license for illegals thing.

Also, Chelsea is still fugly.

Posted by: Beth at January 05, 2008 11:36 PM (yqiXY)

207 that was richardson's best answer tonight

Posted by: jason at January 05, 2008 11:37 PM (v3Bwa)

208 It just occurred to me what this debate's missing - more cut shots to Chelsea Clinton.

Posted by: AD at January 05, 2008 11:37 PM (4gDkY)

209 Quit following me, Vinnie.  BRAT.

Posted by: Beth at January 05, 2008 11:37 PM (yqiXY)

210 Richardson named Byron White as his favorite justice but did know anything about him or his philosophy?

That's out fucking standing.

Posted by: DrewM. at January 05, 2008 11:38 PM (hlYel)

211

politics of fear !!

if you dont vote for us, you won't have health care, welfare ...

Posted by: jason at January 05, 2008 11:38 PM (v3Bwa)

212 Yeah it was, Jason.


Posted by: Beth at January 05, 2008 11:38 PM (yqiXY)

213

Did I just hear Hillary say that we're clearly headed into a recession due to unemployment being at 5%?

Dear, GOD.  That's f'ing hilarious.  By that standard, all 8 years of the Clinton presidency were an economic disaster.

Qwinn

Posted by: Qwinn at January 05, 2008 11:38 PM (/FDfc)

214 SECOND LOOK AT WHIZZER WHITE!

Posted by: Jack M. at January 05, 2008 11:38 PM (Rt2uy)

215

Thanks for the kind words, Drew.

I think she may have sunk herself this evening. I mean, none of this was terribly inspiring, but Barack (for better or for worse) kept his cool and it now looks like it could very well be Barack and Edwards for the faux-brass ring, with Clinton being the yappy little dog that won't go away.

tmi3rd

Posted by: tmi3rd at January 05, 2008 11:39 PM (RQ7+a)

216 Oh thank god. It's over.

Goodnight all.

Posted by: Timothy S. Carlson at January 05, 2008 11:39 PM (uBBUD)

217

Wait, let me recap here:

Edwards says when the Brits pulled out of Basra, violence dropped there.

Obama says the Dem victory in '06 created the Anbar Awakening.

And Hillary says 5% unemployment heralds a recession.

I truly wish all of these people to become Presidents of their own little alternate universes, even if they are contained within four padded walls.

Qwinn

Posted by: Qwinn at January 05, 2008 11:40 PM (/FDfc)

218 I'M CAROL!

Posted by: Cuffy Meigs at January 05, 2008 11:40 PM (uOvAE)

219 Shit, I can't find my remote!  I don't wanna watch George Stephanopolous post-debate chatter!

Posted by: Beth at January 05, 2008 11:40 PM (yqiXY)

220 Alright, everybody back here for The Republicans Round II tomorrow.

No Ron Paul!!!11!!!!

Posted by: DrewM. at January 05, 2008 11:40 PM (hlYel)

221 Imagine being a Democrat and not knowing which one to support because they are all so good.


Posted by: eman at January 05, 2008 11:41 PM (8iSfZ)

222 Amen to that, Qwinn.

Posted by: Beth at January 05, 2008 11:42 PM (yqiXY)

223

See you then- and guys, keep the faith. Fred showed up hard tonight, and for all the inspiration talk, what did you see out of the Ds that would fire anyone up?

tmi3rd

Posted by: tmi3rd at January 05, 2008 11:42 PM (RQ7+a)

224 I want to see Frank Luntz' people-meter charts.

Obama may not have done much, but Hillary cratered.

Posted by: Jack M. at January 05, 2008 11:43 PM (Rt2uy)

225 No Ron Paul!!!11!!!!

THAT will be the best debate of all.

Posted by: Beth at January 05, 2008 11:43 PM (yqiXY)

226 Fred was good tonight.

Posted by: Beth at January 05, 2008 11:44 PM (yqiXY)

227 Obama may not have done much, but Hillary cratered.

She really did. I mean she ran out of feet to shoot herself in, so she moved on to legs, arms, whatever was handy.

Hillary was a school yard bully. She looked invincible right up until the moment someone actually punched back. Like all bullies, she folded in a heartbeat.

She's done.


Posted by: DrewM. at January 05, 2008 11:50 PM (hlYel)

228 She's done.

I really hope so.

Posted by: Beth at January 05, 2008 11:52 PM (yqiXY)

229 My impressions:

1) I never thought I'd feel real sympathy for Bill Clinton.  She's worse than I could ever have imagine.  What a harpy.

2) Richardson and his hair piece are both buffoons.  Good Lord, what a freaking blowhard.

3) First official action for President Silky Point: A wilding spree on K Street.  He's gonna bust a cap in some lobbyist ass. 

4) Senator Tay Zonday wants to be our President.  Chocolate Rain for everybody!

Posted by: DelD at January 05, 2008 11:54 PM (SXTZQ)

230

Now, we've all seen- it's time to get some Fred-mentum going.

tmi3rd

Posted by: tmi3rd at January 05, 2008 11:58 PM (RQ7+a)

231 From NRO:

Apropos Mark's earlier post on Hillary's covert work as an agent of C*H*A*N*G*E, Mark and Jonah just figured out what the acronym stands for: Corporate Hatred And New Government Expenditures.

Posted by: V the K at January 05, 2008 11:58 PM (/0sRQ)

232 Hey, I want Hillary in the general. Just like the left wants Huck.

Posted by: Hongqi at January 06, 2008 12:00 AM (+WuMm)

233

Why do I have the feeling that if Hillary doesn't get the Dem nomination, the one who does will have a Vince Foster/Ron Brown episode, followed by lawsuit filings to move the election back to give H! more time?

Just saying.

Posted by: Paulitics at January 06, 2008 12:07 AM (47+Ys)

234 Are all of you who are amusing yourselves at the perceived Hillary train-wreck going to be still laughing when that empty suit Obama wins in November ?

I think not. Better order those crying towels now.
You're going to need them. It's not like the Republicans have ANYONE you can all agree on to support and who actually has a chance of winning the nomination. A complete neophyte potentially in charge of the only super-power in a time of International Crisis.

This is just sad.

Posted by: dougf at January 06, 2008 12:09 AM (16GPT)

235

Ah, and here comes the depressed troll to try to bring us back to Earth. That's okay, troll, we'll be here to give you your My Little Pony hanky when your equally unelectable candidate craters.

tmi3rd

Posted by: tmi3rd at January 06, 2008 12:13 AM (RQ7+a)

236 Instead of ordering crying towels, dougf, can I just have yours?

The tears of Hillary's! supporters are just so, so, sweet.

Posted by: Jack M. at January 06, 2008 12:26 AM (Rt2uy)

237

I need to start betting on the election futures.  I'll make a bundle taking any Repub to win.

The only thing that would suck is I would have to hold the ticket ten frigging months to collect.

 

Posted by: Dogstar at January 06, 2008 12:32 AM (FgxdU)

238 Richardson and his hair piece are both buffoons.

That is completely and totally unfair. The hairpiece has some vague idea what it's doing.

Posted by: The Black Republican at January 06, 2008 02:14 AM (TJwIL)

239

Gonna make a change, for once in my life.  Gonna feel real good, gonna make a difference, gonna make it right.

 

 

Posted by: Michael Jackson at January 06, 2008 02:46 AM (sWFa+)

240

HAHAHAHAHA! PWNED!

 

Over on fred08.com:

...

Mike Huckabee’s answer to border security: Chuck Norris
Chuck Norris’s answer to border security: FRED THOMPSON.

 

I wish I had thought of that one. Someone got sk00ld!

Posted by: Lickerish at January 06, 2008 04:44 AM (mpF65)

241 "Instead of ordering crying towels, dougf, can I just have yours?
The tears of Hillary's! supporters are just so, so, sweet."---Jack M.

It always amuses me to see that the 'conservatives' are every bit as clueless and blinkered as the 'progressives'. Just clueless 'differently'. Not 'better', just 'differently.

Why do you assume that simply because I state that your glee at a Hillary deconstruction is misplaced and actually contra-indicated, that I am a Hillary supporter ? Because it makes your world ever so much easier ?

I can't abide her. Never could. She is a pandering amoral Power Seeker and the sooner she and her unprincipled band of clowns are gone from History the better. If I never heard of her or Bubba again, that would be aces with me. The fact that in the BIG Issue of the WOT she is 'better' than the rest of the Democrats, is really not saying much. But she is in fact, BETTER for whatever motivation she might have.

She is also, by far, the WEAKEST Candidate and the EASIEST to beat in 2008. She almost defeats herself as we are now seeing. And in the current dysfunctional state of the Republican Party, it really needs an opponent that can be counted on to defeat her/him self.

So your silly glee in her premature destruction is likely to be entirely self-defeating. When you should want her to implode is AFTER not BEFORE securing the nomination. Now that would be something to celebrate.

Instead you run the very large risk of getting as an opponent a different type of unprincipled clown with NO EXPERIENCE but one who appeals to that 'guilty thingy', and who does not have a track record you can beat like a drum during a campaign.

Like I said --- left, right, what's the difference ? Short sighted and insular in either direction. Can't or won't see the forest for all the trees. And worse not even interested in looking for it.

Laugh now --- cry later. Let's see how that works out for you.

Posted by: dougf at January 06, 2008 11:10 AM (16GPT)

242 Why do you assume that simply because I state that your glee at a Hillary deconstruction is misplaced and actually contra-indicated, that I am a Hillary supporter ? Because it makes your world ever so much easier ?

No, Trolly McTroll. I made the assumption because you referred to Hillary's performance as a "perceived train-wreck" as if I should believe that somehow, someway, Hillary came out looking good last night.

It was an "actual train-wreck". Only someone spinning for Hillary would call it anything different.

You say you aren't a Hillary supporter. More power to you. Thanks for the lecture on seeing forests and trees though. Your grasp of political strategy is amazing, Did you come up with that all by yourself?

But since you are new here, let me clue you in on something. I think the GOP nominee beats either Hillary or Obama. Hence, my delight in watching her go down in flames.

Man up Nancy-boy. Save your worrying and tut-tutting for when it's warranted.

Posted by: Jack M. at January 06, 2008 11:51 AM (Rt2uy)

243

Heh- you guys actually watched the Dems debate.  Fags.  Hope your IQ didn't drop more than a few points as a result.

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