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NH Debate Open Thread

Since Ace is passed out somewhere on Bowery Row, I'm gonna put up a New Hampshire Debate thread for all you homos (and you know who you are) who would rather watch and discuss this than the NFL playoffs.

The GOP goes first. I think it starts at 7:00 EST.

I'm gonna go ahead and summarize it for you here though, so you can watch football if you prefer:

Huckabee is funny.
McCain is barely suppressing his inner rage.
Thompson sounds pretty "phlegmmy".
Romney is standing behind two different podiums trying to figure out what side he should be on.
Giuliani is talking about how he was Mayor of New York.

Just expand on that for 90 or so minutes and I'll think you'll be good.

More (DrewM.)

CNN/WMUR NH Poll:

GOP: McCain 33, Romney 27, Giuliani 14, Huckabee 11, Paul 9.

Dems: Clinton 33, Obama 33, Edwards 20, Richardson 4, Kucinich 2.

The Poll was taken yesterday and today, so it reflects the post Iowa landscape. It does have a margin of error of +/- 5%, which if I recall my political polling class from college is fairly large.

Streaming video [Gabe]: At WMUR in New Hampshire. Thanks to moron Knemon.

Posted by: Jack M. at 07:48 PM



Comments

1 You might want to change funny to looney.

Posted by: Kaitian at January 05, 2008 07:54 PM (S5mm4)

2
I thought Ace maybe . . . perhaps . . .  not out of the realm of possibility . . . had a date.

Posted by: Chop Suey Palace at January 05, 2008 07:54 PM (aKlZk)

3

Since it’s Saturday night, I propose a debate drinking game…every time a candidate says ‘change’, drink. 


On the upside we will all be to trashed to care by the time the Democrats show up. On the downside, the Republicans will say it enough to put everyone in an alcohol coma.

Posted by: DrewM. at January 05, 2008 07:54 PM (hlYel)

4

I just wish they'd timed it at a time when people might actually watch...

tmi3rd

Posted by: tmi3rd at January 05, 2008 07:57 PM (RQ7+a)

5 Ron Paul is in the hallway stamping his feet and screaming like a little kid who didn't get an ice cream cone. 

Wait.  He looks like that all of the time.

Posted by: mesablue at January 05, 2008 07:58 PM (KCOdQ)

6 Drew, drew drinks for any Strong, Stronger, strongest. At the end, if Huck hasn't mentioned his relationship with Christ and Rudy hasn't mentioned 9-11 you have to pound a beer.

Posted by: bleh at January 05, 2008 08:01 PM (/InkS)

7 You forgot "Ron Paul is a barking moonbat, shrieking about the New World Order."

Posted by: Beth at January 05, 2008 08:03 PM (yqiXY)

8 Why does every debate now how to have a website co-sponsor?

Facebook? What the hell?

Posted by: DrewM. at January 05, 2008 08:04 PM (hlYel)

9 Since it’s Saturday night, I propose a debate drinking game…every time a candidate says ‘change’, drink.


No fair.  I don't have any alcohol at home. 

Posted by: Beth at January 05, 2008 08:04 PM (yqiXY)

10 Beth, you are henceforth BANNED from AOSHQ until such time as you correct your lifestyle choices.

Posted by: Gabriel Malor at January 05, 2008 08:05 PM (1Ug6U)

11 Y'all don't even know how much it annoys me that I have to watch this on ABC.  Blechhhh.  I've been so happy not ever having to see George Stephanopolous, Charlie Gibson, or Diane Sawyer for all this time (at least a year or so?).

Posted by: Beth at January 05, 2008 08:06 PM (yqiXY)

12 Heh, Diane Sawyer just played down the facebook tie in.  Too late. Fucking cheesy.

Posted by: mesablue at January 05, 2008 08:07 PM (KCOdQ)

13  We get to watch the game and the debates out here. ABC is showing it at 7 local. I'm still going to miss it.

Posted by: Gabriel Malor at January 05, 2008 08:07 PM (1Ug6U)

14 BANNED from AOSHQ until such time as you correct your lifestyle choices.

I know, I'm ashamed.  I could say I don't have any because I drank all of it yesterday, but I'd be lying.  I'll just smoke another cigarette or something instead.  (And dedicate it to Mesablue the Quitter.)

Posted by: Beth at January 05, 2008 08:08 PM (yqiXY)

15

Thompson sounds pretty "phlegmmy".

Phlegmmy ....... good title for an epic .....

Posted by: Bill D. Cat at January 05, 2008 08:08 PM (Bivii)

16 And dedicate it to Mesablue the Quitter.

B***!

I'm chomping on cinnamon nicotine gum.

But, at least I have beer.

Posted by: mesablue at January 05, 2008 08:10 PM (KCOdQ)

17 Why does every debate now how to have a website co-sponsor?

Because that gets the idiot 18-20-something demographic, and favors the Obamessiah.  MTV is over.

Posted by: Beth at January 05, 2008 08:10 PM (yqiXY)

18 God, that clip of Bush 8 years ago...damn, he's aged about 20 years, and just in the first term.

Posted by: Beth at January 05, 2008 08:11 PM (yqiXY)

19 I hope to see a gang up on Dickabee and a Mitt-McCain fight, ending with Fred being the last one standing. 

Posted by: eman at January 05, 2008 08:12 PM (8iSfZ)

20 Fuck Huck.

He looks blinky-tired and unready tonight.  Yay!

Oh, listen to him pre-empt McCain jumping down his throat by bashing Rummy.  He's so phony.

Please please please McCain, don't take his bait.

Posted by: Beth at January 05, 2008 08:13 PM (yqiXY)

21 Let me be the first to say it tonight...Huckabee is an ass.

Posted by: DrewM. at January 05, 2008 08:13 PM (hlYel)

22 Rudy to self:  (Yay!  Fred said 9/11!)

Posted by: Beth at January 05, 2008 08:14 PM (yqiXY)

23 So that's what Fred Thompson looks like.

In Michigan, we've pretty much forgotten since he doesn't campaign here.

Posted by: mesablue at January 05, 2008 08:14 PM (KCOdQ)

24 Why does McCain look annoyed?

Why is Mitt smiling?

Why isn't McCain answering this question yet?

Posted by: Beth at January 05, 2008 08:16 PM (yqiXY)

25 Et tu Fred?

There's a lot of reasons to have issue with Rummy but of course you go to war with the Army you have, not some mythical perfect one.

Posted by: DrewM. at January 05, 2008 08:16 PM (hlYel)

26 Grrr. Damn ABC for not streaming video.

Posted by: Gabriel Malor at January 05, 2008 08:16 PM (1Ug6U)

27 Why is Beth so mean?

Posted by: mesablue at January 05, 2008 08:17 PM (KCOdQ)

28

missed the field goal.

 

 

submitted respectfully to Jack M's topic.

Posted by: Dave in Texas at January 05, 2008 08:17 PM (FXakj)

29 Wow.  Hasselbeck's pretty good under pressure.

So...what are the rest of you watching?

Posted by: Slublog at January 05, 2008 08:17 PM (BaTx1)

30 Oh, scratch that...interception.

Posted by: Slublog at January 05, 2008 08:18 PM (BaTx1)

31 Why is Beth so mean?

Because she has no alcohol on hand.  She's a mean sober person. 

Posted by: DrewM. at January 05, 2008 08:18 PM (hlYel)

32 In Michigan, we've pretty much forgotten since he doesn't campaign here.

Where does Fred! campaign???  He's polling around 2% in NH, so not there.

I know I'm gonna get rotten tomatoes thrown at me, but McCain without a doubt owns the war issue.

Oh, fuckity fuck, Ron Paul agree with pre-emptive foreign policy?  LOL!  What a softball!

Posted by: Beth at January 05, 2008 08:18 PM (yqiXY)

33 Where does Fred! campaign???

If he's smart, South Carolina.

Posted by: Slublog at January 05, 2008 08:20 PM (BaTx1)

34 I'm mean because I have no alcohol, just like you're crabby because of no cigarettes, mesa.  ;-P


I HATE YOU RON PAUL, GO DIE IN A FIRE.

Posted by: Beth at January 05, 2008 08:20 PM (yqiXY)

35 Dear Ron Paul...

Which element of radical Christians, Jews, Mormons, Hindus, etc resort to violence to create political change?

Oh and FUCK Off and Die.

Posted by: DrewM. at January 05, 2008 08:21 PM (hlYel)

36 If he's smart, South Carolina.

That's what I've heard, that he's focused on SC--but it doesn't sound like he's doing enough yet.  I could be wrong, though.

Posted by: Beth at January 05, 2008 08:21 PM (yqiXY)

37 So...what are the rest of you watching?

What Women Want is on TNT.




Posted by: mesablue at January 05, 2008 08:21 PM (KCOdQ)

38 What Women Want is on TNT.

Heh.  I refuse to watch the debate.  I was thisclose to actually being there tonight, but they ran out of press passes just before my friend and I tried to get some.

Dang it.

Posted by: Slublog at January 05, 2008 08:23 PM (BaTx1)

39 Some press passes I mean.  You know what I meant.

Perverts.

Posted by: Slublog at January 05, 2008 08:24 PM (BaTx1)

40 Thank you Fred, for defending pre-emptive foreign policy.

Go get him, Rudy. 

HAHA, Rudy gave back $10M to a Saudi prince, but Ron Paul kept money from Don Black the neo-Nazi. 

Die in a lake of fire, L. Ron Paul Hubbard.  You fucking lunatic.

Posted by: Beth at January 05, 2008 08:24 PM (yqiXY)

41 Streaming:

http://www.wmur.com/video/14986153/index.html

Posted by: Knemon at January 05, 2008 08:24 PM (qA5Oz)

42 What Women Want is on TNT.

Mel Gibson in pantyhose? I'd rather watch Ron Paul.

Just kidding
The Gibster has got good legs, doesn't he?




Posted by: Timothy S. Carlson at January 05, 2008 08:24 PM (uBBUD)

43

I'm gonna put up a New Hampshire Debate thread for all you homos (and you know who you are)

I don't think it's nice to say that about our fellow Marine Morons. I mean, they can out themselves if they want (aka "What Women Want is on TNT."), but still- bad Jack!

Posted by: TheEJS at January 05, 2008 08:24 PM (JyC8j)

44 McCain without a doubt owns the war issue.

Did you hear what McCain said the other day?  If he were more like that all of the time -- he'd be a no brainer.

Posted by: mesablue at January 05, 2008 08:25 PM (KCOdQ)

45 I want to see everyone beat up Ron Paul.  Get him, guys.

Posted by: Beth at January 05, 2008 08:25 PM (yqiXY)

46 These guys just need to ignore Ron Paul.

I don't get Fox's decision to dump him tomorrow (based on his support) but I am glad they did.

Posted by: DrewM. at January 05, 2008 08:26 PM (hlYel)

47 oh, sorry, I was out smoking.

Posted by: Dave in Texas at January 05, 2008 08:26 PM (FXakj)

48 Mesa, he talks like that a lot. 
You should call in for the blogger calls some time--I think you might find it not so hard to like him if you did.  Dude knows his shit, and he's dead right about foreign policy.

Posted by: Beth at January 05, 2008 08:27 PM (yqiXY)

49 Thanks, Knemon, I think. It just came in with Huckabee lecturing Romney. Jerk.

Posted by: Gabriel Malor at January 05, 2008 08:27 PM (1Ug6U)

50 I don't get Fox's decision to dump him tomorrow (based on his support)

National polls, Drew.  He's a bottom-feeder (in more ways than one?).

Ooooh, fight!  Fight!  Fight!  Backhand him, Mitt!

Posted by: Beth at January 05, 2008 08:28 PM (yqiXY)

51 What an asshole.

Posted by: Gabriel Malor at January 05, 2008 08:28 PM (1Ug6U)

52 Beth, I advise you to take a 10min break, run to 7/11, and buy a case of Thunderbird. Make sure you guzzle a bottle or two on the way home.

Save the bottles so you can throw them at Ron when you get back.

Posted by: Timothy S. Carlson at January 05, 2008 08:29 PM (uBBUD)

53 Die!  Die!  Die!  Die!  Die!

Posted by: Beth at January 05, 2008 08:29 PM (yqiXY)

54 This isn't the Lincoln-Douglass Debates but it's better than the joint press conference format.

Posted by: DrewM. at January 05, 2008 08:30 PM (hlYel)

55 The best part of this so far is that Gibson has no control.

Posted by: Gabriel Malor at January 05, 2008 08:30 PM (1Ug6U)

56 Yay Rudy!

HAHA, RP is a fucking idiot.  "You paint all them the same."  YEAH, douchebag, we DO paint Islamic terrorists all the same.  DIE.

Posted by: Beth at January 05, 2008 08:30 PM (yqiXY)

57 Seahawks just intercepted. 27-14 Hawks.

Posted by: Slublog at January 05, 2008 08:31 PM (BaTx1)

58  Woah. I blink for a second and the Hawks have scored again.

Posted by: Gabriel Malor at January 05, 2008 08:31 PM (1Ug6U)

59 our fellow Marine Morons.

I was just trying to be helpful to the rest of the morons.  Except for Slubs, he obviously knows what women want -- to be left alone while in their condition.

Posted by: mesablue at January 05, 2008 08:31 PM (KCOdQ)

60 I think it's kinda funny that McCain completely ignored RP and Fred! said "you started it."  Heeeee.

Posted by: Beth at January 05, 2008 08:31 PM (yqiXY)

61 I know Beth but it was nominally a NH debate. The NH GOP debate was a co-sponsor but dropped out over Paul's exclusion. And for better or worse, he has some support in NH.

Either way, after this crap tonight I am glad they did.

Posted by: DrewM. at January 05, 2008 08:32 PM (hlYel)

62 Except for Slubs, he obviously knows what women want -- to be left alone while in their condition.

And cheeseburgers.  Lots and lots of cheeseburgers.

Posted by: Slublog at January 05, 2008 08:32 PM (BaTx1)

63 Huh? What?.... uh...what's going on? I just woke up from a 2 hour nap....

Debate? Where? ....</snore>

Posted by: Bruce at January 05, 2008 08:33 PM (2q+Ss)

64 You know, I was pissed about McCain wanting to throw Rummy under the bus way back when, but he was right.

Posted by: Beth at January 05, 2008 08:34 PM (yqiXY)

65 Dude knows his shit

I worked full time for McCain in 2000.  I knew W was going to win, but wanted McCain on the ballot.  I've changed my mind since then.  I really respect the guy, just not his politics.

Posted by: mesablue at January 05, 2008 08:34 PM (KCOdQ)

66

stop discussing football.

 

this is a political thread.  for people who don't care about football like Slublog whose ass I kicked last week.

Posted by: Dave in Texas at January 05, 2008 08:34 PM (FXakj)

67 Debate? Where? ....</snore>

ABC, dude.  Or streaming at the link posted in the comments.

Posted by: Beth at January 05, 2008 08:35 PM (yqiXY)

68 I'm waiting for the illegal alien question. McCain is going to get piled on.

Posted by: Timothy S. Carlson at January 05, 2008 08:36 PM (uBBUD)

69

stop discussing football.

 But the Redskins are losing.  This is a beautiful thing. (Sorry, Dave at GR)

this is a political thread.  for people who don't care about football like Slublog whose ass I kicked last week.

It was a bad week.  I'll come back.  Aaaanytime now.

Posted by: Slublog at January 05, 2008 08:36 PM (BaTx1)

70 this is a political thread.  for people who don't care about football

Picture in picture baby.

Posted by: DrewM. at January 05, 2008 08:37 PM (hlYel)

71 Mesa, I used to detest (but still respect) McCain, ever since the 90's.  (I was for W since before he even announced, actually.)  I was part of a stupid blogroll "Bloggers for McCain's Opponent" for a long time, but I quietly removed it about six months ago, because of the surge.  That's when I really started to give him another chance, and he's my #2 now.  I never thought that'd happen.

Posted by: Beth at January 05, 2008 08:38 PM (yqiXY)

72 Picture in picture baby.

I'm guessing this is not what they had in mind when they invented PiP.

Posted by: mesablue at January 05, 2008 08:39 PM (KCOdQ)

73

Ok Slubs.  You and me, cage match.  Playoffs.  This game don't count.

 

My picks through the weekend, Panthers, Titans, Giants.  Don't know the spread so just winners.

 

Let's do this.

Posted by: Dave in Texas at January 05, 2008 08:39 PM (FXakj)

74 Is Huckabee really going there?

Posted by: mesablue at January 05, 2008 08:39 PM (KCOdQ)

75  But the Redskins are losing.  This is a beautiful thing.

BOOOOOO!!!  Go Skins!

Posted by: Beth at January 05, 2008 08:39 PM (yqiXY)

76 Rudy just invoked Reagan. Double-shots for everyone.

Ah - and the Huck is close to invoking God.
Wait for it....


Posted by: Timothy S. Carlson at January 05, 2008 08:40 PM (uBBUD)

77 Seriously, what else is it supposed to be for except sports? (Or letting your SO watch something else while you watch sports.)

Posted by: Gabriel Malor at January 05, 2008 08:40 PM (1Ug6U)

78 the Huck is close to invoking God.

He did say "endowed by our Creator," does that count?  ;-P

Posted by: Beth at January 05, 2008 08:41 PM (yqiXY)

79 My picks through the weekend, Panthers, Titans, Giants.  Don't know the spread so just winners.

I say Steelers, Titans, Giants.

This is no fun when we agree on 2 of 3.

Posted by: Slublog at January 05, 2008 08:42 PM (BaTx1)

80 Can someone get Fred a glass of water please?

Posted by: DrewM. at January 05, 2008 08:42 PM (hlYel)

81 I'm tired of everyone but Fred! and McCain doing all the talking.  Especially this cranky old lunatic and the Huck.

(Die, Ron Paul.)

Posted by: Beth at January 05, 2008 08:43 PM (yqiXY)

82 I thought he was sounding better than usual. Looks pretty good too, like he got his nap today.

Posted by: Gabriel Malor at January 05, 2008 08:43 PM (1Ug6U)

83 We bombed Fwance?

We bombed Russia?  China?  North Korea?

Posted by: Beth at January 05, 2008 08:43 PM (yqiXY)

84  I mean Thompson, not RP. Duh.

Posted by: Gabriel Malor at January 05, 2008 08:44 PM (1Ug6U)

85 First person to slap Ron Paul gets my vote. Not verbally but actually reaching over and smacking him.

Posted by: DrewM. at January 05, 2008 08:44 PM (hlYel)

86 Weak applause for Ron.

And Fred! does sound phlegmmy...

Ah gawd - health care...

Posted by: Timothy S. Carlson at January 05, 2008 08:44 PM (uBBUD)

87 Beth, I was a bit more moderate in the past, being a big city (Chicago) boy.  I was a Kemp supporter and liked H.W. That's changed drastically over the last eight years. Heh, at least I was Republican, one of the few I knew. I was a fan of W, I didn't like how the party was shoving him down our throats.   The primary was over before it ever began.

I'm loving how up in the air things are this time.  Should make for a better campaign in the general as we're the party vacating office.

Posted by: mesablue at January 05, 2008 08:45 PM (KCOdQ)

88

I can make it worse Slub.

 

My neighbor just brought over his annual New Year gift, 2 dozen homemade tamales his mother in law made.

 

Yes.  They are gooooooood.

Posted by: Dave in Texas at January 05, 2008 08:45 PM (FXakj)

89 Ron Paul is hallucinating, I think.  "If they don't listen to us, we bomb them," he says.  What fucking planet is he living on?


Posted by: Beth at January 05, 2008 08:45 PM (yqiXY)

90 "Why don't we insure all of our citizens?"

Individual freedom. FYNQ. 

Posted by: DrewM. at January 05, 2008 08:46 PM (hlYel)

91 Die!  Die!  Die!  Die!  Die!
YEAH, douchebag, we DO paint Islamic terrorists all the same.  DIE.
(Die, Ron Paul.)

And this is why we love Beth, even if most of us are scared to death of getting her mad.

Posted by: Slublog at January 05, 2008 08:46 PM (BaTx1)

92 Fred! is sitting next to Ron. Think he has the balls to smack him one?

Posted by: Timothy S. Carlson at January 05, 2008 08:46 PM (uBBUD)

93 My neighbor just brought over his annual New Year gift, 2 dozen homemade tamales his mother in law made.

I HATE YOU! HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE.






mail me one?

Posted by: Slublog at January 05, 2008 08:47 PM (BaTx1)

94 First person to slap Ron Paul gets my vote.

Seriously, me too.  I'd even vote for Huck if he did it, but he wouldn't because Jesus wouldn't do it.  Maybe Huck can pray for Ron Paul to die in a fire.

Posted by: Beth at January 05, 2008 08:47 PM (yqiXY)

95

*working on the 4th*

 

no way.

Posted by: Dave in Texas at January 05, 2008 08:48 PM (FXakj)

96 scared to death of getting her mad.

I'm all bark.  ;-)

Posted by: Beth at January 05, 2008 08:48 PM (yqiXY)

97 I did make homemade tortillas this evening, though.  And pinto beans.

Still...tamales...need to make those sometime this winter.

The Hawks have this game nailed.  28-14 with a minute to play.

Posted by: Slublog at January 05, 2008 08:49 PM (BaTx1)

98 Wow.  Make that 34-14, Hawks.

Posted by: Slublog at January 05, 2008 08:50 PM (BaTx1)

99 This MA health care shit is *the* reason why Romney isn't my guy.  That shit scares the hell out of me.  I'll still vote for him if he gets the nomination, but I'll be praying for the Republicans on the Hill to fight it.

Posted by: Beth at January 05, 2008 08:50 PM (yqiXY)

100 these are really, really good.  some of the best ever.

Posted by: Dave in Texas at January 05, 2008 08:50 PM (FXakj)

101 Make that 35-14.

Posted by: Gabriel Malor at January 05, 2008 08:50 PM (1Ug6U)

102 Heh.

Posted by: mesablue at January 05, 2008 08:50 PM (KCOdQ)

103  Paul: whinewhinewhine

Posted by: Gabriel Malor at January 05, 2008 08:51 PM (1Ug6U)

104 LOL, Fred.  I love how he's mocking RP.

Posted by: Beth at January 05, 2008 08:51 PM (yqiXY)

105 Come on Fred, you aren't going to win anything by fighting with Ron Paul. Go after Mitt's plan.

Posted by: DrewM. at January 05, 2008 08:51 PM (hlYel)

106 these are really, really good.  some of the best ever.

Can you feel my icy stare boring into your skull?

I HOPE IT BURNS.

Posted by: Slublog at January 05, 2008 08:52 PM (BaTx1)

107

goodness, I can't eat any more.  Wow.  Best ever.

 

Nothing beats Texas homemade.  I'll bet you can't find this in Maine.

Posted by: Dave in Texas at January 05, 2008 08:52 PM (FXakj)

108

Bah, to hell with this insanity.

I spent the whole day watching episodes 1-8 of The Third: The Girl With the Blue Eye, and episodes 1-5 of Elfen Lied.

Keeping in mind that I have not yet finished either, I would reccomend either. The first is very charming. The 2nd is .........very very disturbing.

Posted by: Entropy at January 05, 2008 08:52 PM (HgAV0)

109 Mitt, "I like mandates".

Go get him Fred!

Posted by: DrewM. at January 05, 2008 08:53 PM (hlYel)

110 What a contrast.  RP's high-pitched shrieky whine, vs. Fred's slow drawl.  He needs to swing a big Fred bear paw at his little peanut head.

Posted by: Beth at January 05, 2008 08:53 PM (yqiXY)

111 Yeah Drew, but it gets him "everyman" votes.  I thought it was well done.  He's actually driving the dialogue for a few minutes.

Posted by: mesablue at January 05, 2008 08:53 PM (KCOdQ)

112 Yay, Fred!!!

Posted by: Beth at January 05, 2008 08:53 PM (yqiXY)

113

I have to take a short nap, I'm so sated.

Woo..

Posted by: Dave in Texas at January 05, 2008 08:54 PM (FXakj)

114 I have to take a short nap, I'm so sated.

I'm going to go cry.

After a glass of wine.

Posted by: Slublog at January 05, 2008 08:55 PM (BaTx1)

115 I think Romney just lost a bunch of people.

Posted by: Gabriel Malor at January 05, 2008 08:56 PM (1Ug6U)

116 Entropy, what in God's name are you talking about?  I didn't understand any of that and it's probably a good thing.

I'll bet you can't find this in Maine.

Ever been to Portland, ME?   They have at least seven Mexicans.  Well, six and Pedro, he's half Scandi.

Posted by: mesablue at January 05, 2008 08:56 PM (KCOdQ)

117 Oh God, prevention.  No more smoking!  Mandatory exercise!  No more drinking, morons!  Bad lifestyle = no health care!

Posted by: Beth at January 05, 2008 08:56 PM (yqiXY)

118 Yup - Mitt 'Mandate' Romney.

So much for small government.

Posted by: Timothy S. Carlson at January 05, 2008 08:57 PM (uBBUD)

119 Here comes Huck's nanny care.

Posted by: DrewM. at January 05, 2008 08:57 PM (hlYel)

120

Something far more interesting (and less depressing) then politics mesa, anime.

Well..maybe not Elfen Lied. That is about as depressing. But it's still more interesting.

Posted by: Entropy at January 05, 2008 08:57 PM (HgAV0)

121 Yeah, McCain's people are cutting an ad for NH right now that includes that "I like mandates" line.

Man, I bet Mitt's staff is suicidal right about now.

Posted by: DrewM. at January 05, 2008 08:58 PM (hlYel)

122 AoSHQ Lifestyle = a free America

Posted by: Timothy S. Carlson at January 05, 2008 08:58 PM (uBBUD)

123 Oh my God, there's actually a person under those jowls.

Posted by: Gabriel Malor at January 05, 2008 08:59 PM (1Ug6U)

124 Huck = no more deep-fried double cheeseburgers & beer cigarette.

Posted by: Beth at January 05, 2008 08:59 PM (yqiXY)

125 Mitt "forgot" to answer Fred's question about how the new Mass Health Plan penalizes residents that do not have insurance.   Asshole.


Posted by: eman at January 05, 2008 08:59 PM (8iSfZ)

126 Is McCain playing Mr. Populism? The drug companies are the enemy?  Come on Maverick.

Posted by: DrewM. at January 05, 2008 09:00 PM (hlYel)

127

Here's the current conservative republican frontrunner. His campaign is talking about NH:

His aides are wary of New Hampshire. “It’s all no tax, no government there,” said Bob Wickers, a top strategist. “It’s not ideal.” But they believe that the message of economic anxiety that he preaches will help in Michigan’s primary on Jan. 15 and in states in the South, which have high poverty rates in addition to strong groups of social conservatives.

link

I quit. I'm writing in Batman on my ballot.

Posted by: Entropy at January 05, 2008 09:01 PM (HgAV0)

128 "Big Pharma is the bad guy" is a stupid meme.

Posted by: Beth at January 05, 2008 09:01 PM (yqiXY)

129 Bad lifestyle = no health care!

Fine.  I don't want those last ten diaper wearing years anyway.  My kids already know that when I start to fall apart I'm heading out in my sailboat with a bunch of C-4.

Viking funeral. Kaboom! 

Posted by: mesablue at January 05, 2008 09:01 PM (KCOdQ)

130 Bladder break.

Posted by: eman at January 05, 2008 09:01 PM (8iSfZ)

131 OMG - yeah, let's import pharmaceuticals.

Anyone remember this summer - China and lead?

And all of the fake crap from Mexico?

I'd rather pay more money and make sure the medicine is okay.

Posted by: Timothy S. Carlson at January 05, 2008 09:01 PM (uBBUD)

132 I'd rather pay more money and make sure the medicine is okay.

Me too.  Speaking of which, Ron Paul (die!) wants to abolish the FDA.

Posted by: Beth at January 05, 2008 09:04 PM (yqiXY)

133 Quick impression from the first half brawl format...Huck is an ass. But we knew that.

When the discussion got detailed ('in the weeds' as Gibson called it), he clearly had nothing to add. Fred, Mitt and Maverick were slugging it out and Huck was lost.

Rudy can't seem to find his footing but his health care ideas are pretty free market oriented as well. It seems he could have swung at Mitt 'I like mandates' there.

Oh and Charlie, 'in the weeds' is a good thing. It's where people stop talking in sound bites and discuss real ideas. I thought that was the point of this format.

Posted by: DrewM. at January 05, 2008 09:04 PM (hlYel)

134 I don't like this forum. It's like a school room.

Posted by: Rightwingsparkle at January 05, 2008 09:06 PM (dh4Tv)

135 Here we go with immigration.

Posted by: Beth at January 05, 2008 09:06 PM (yqiXY)

136 that he preaches will help in Michigan’s primary on Jan. 15

Unfortunately, it will help here. The idiots in this state believed that it was Bush's fault that Michigan was in a single state recession last cycle and re-elected two  ineffective liberals.  Cannot wait to get the heck out of here. 

Posted by: mesablue at January 05, 2008 09:06 PM (KCOdQ)

137 Im starting to get the impression that Beth is not a Ron Paul supporter

Posted by: buba at January 05, 2008 09:07 PM (Ge1ga)

138 Hi RWS!  ::waves::

Posted by: Beth at January 05, 2008 09:07 PM (yqiXY)

139

McCain talks border enforcement! Deportation. Temporary worker program. Prosecute employes who don't comply.

Enough for any of you?

Posted by: Rightwingsparkle at January 05, 2008 09:07 PM (dh4Tv)

140 YEAH! Immigration and Amnesty - and McCain is the first target!

Watch this boys and girls - this is what a frickin' lying scumbag looks like.

EAT SHIT MCCAIN

Posted by: Timothy S. Carlson at January 05, 2008 09:07 PM (uBBUD)

141 I don't like this forum. It's like a school room.

Yeah, it's way too low key.

Posted by: mesablue at January 05, 2008 09:08 PM (KCOdQ)

142 Hi Beth!!! *waves back*

Posted by: Rightwingsparkle at January 05, 2008 09:08 PM (dh4Tv)

143 Illegal immigrants, "These are God's children". Well yes but that's what's the word, irrelevant to the policy issue.

Oh and it was Maverick not Huck.

Damn, he just sucks on that issue and it's disqualifying.

Posted by: DrewM. at January 05, 2008 09:08 PM (hlYel)

144 Oh I love Ron Paul.  Dead.

Posted by: Beth at January 05, 2008 09:08 PM (yqiXY)

145

Ok, obviously not enough for Timothy. 

Mitt is all over it! All over McCain. 

Posted by: Rightwingsparkle at January 05, 2008 09:09 PM (dh4Tv)

146 Go Rudy!

Posted by: Timothy S. Carlson at January 05, 2008 09:09 PM (uBBUD)

147 McCain's answer was okay, but Romney's was better.

Posted by: Gabriel Malor at January 05, 2008 09:09 PM (1Ug6U)

148 Enough for any of you?

Yeah, it sounds like "read my lips."

Posted by: mesablue at January 05, 2008 09:09 PM (KCOdQ)

149 Blah, they all talk tough now.

Posted by: Rightwingsparkle at January 05, 2008 09:09 PM (dh4Tv)

150 he had me at voting against tax cuts

Posted by: buba at January 05, 2008 09:10 PM (Ge1ga)

151

Couple of thoughts-

Drew, you're right, but it gets into C-SPAN territory, and Charlie is still at heart an MSM guy (although this is the best format I've seen)... don't be too hard on him about it. When it comes to TV, you still have to keep people from tuning out, and not everyone is as dorky as we are about paying attention to the minutiae.

Charlie is doing a pretty damned good job as moderator- trying to get out of the way the candidates and let them fight it out.

Has anyone noticed Fred and McCain smirking back and forth at each other?

tmi3rd

Posted by: tmi3rd at January 05, 2008 09:10 PM (RQ7+a)

152

McCain talks border enforcement! Deportation. Temporary worker program. Prosecute employes who don't comply.
Enough for any of you?


NEVER!

Okay, not really.  But if he's the nominee, I want to see him talk that up in the general, not just the primary.

Posted by: Slublog at January 05, 2008 09:10 PM (BaTx1)

153 McCain speaks the wrong language when he's talking about illegal immigration.  The way he talks about it sounds all liberal, but it isn't.  Others talk tough, like Rudy, but aren't much different on illegal immigration--in fact, he's (solely based on his history) more liberal on it.

Posted by: Beth at January 05, 2008 09:11 PM (yqiXY)

154 McCain - "Let me just say, I've never supported amnesty"

FRICKIN' LIAR - FYNQ

Posted by: Timothy S. Carlson at January 05, 2008 09:11 PM (uBBUD)

155 McCain's going after New Hampshire's independents. Joe Lieberman doesn't get him Republican votes.

Posted by: Gabriel Malor at January 05, 2008 09:11 PM (1Ug6U)

156

Rudy was all "love my Mexicans" before.

Mitt never met one before, just waved at his yard guys.

McCain says he doesn't support Amnesty. And back at cha Mitt. "technically true."  "not true"

It's a fight!  FUN!

Posted by: Rightwingsparkle at January 05, 2008 09:11 PM (dh4Tv)

157 Cool, so Rudy just came out for amnesty. People don't have to leave before they can apply for permanent residence.

Rudy and McCain are just crap on this issue.


Posted by: DrewM. at January 05, 2008 09:11 PM (hlYel)

158

"Spend your whole fortune" It's still not true.

 

OUCH!

Posted by: Rightwingsparkle at January 05, 2008 09:12 PM (dh4Tv)

159 Charlie is doing a pretty damned good job as moderator- trying to get out of the way the candidates and let them fight it out.

In that regard, this is the best debate so far -- especially right now.

Posted by: mesablue at January 05, 2008 09:13 PM (KCOdQ)

160 Yep - Rudy had my hopes up talking about the fence. Then he blew it.

C'mon Fred!

Posted by: Timothy S. Carlson at January 05, 2008 09:13 PM (uBBUD)

161 Fred, wait for it, then hit it out of the park.

Posted by: eman at January 05, 2008 09:13 PM (8iSfZ)

162 Ugh. This is an embarrassing moment for both these guys. Oh, yay. Here comes Thompson.

Posted by: Gabriel Malor at January 05, 2008 09:14 PM (1Ug6U)

163

"I WILL DEPORT MORE MEXICANS THAN YOU!"

Guys, this is just bad. Really. YOu can see that, right?

Posted by: Rightwingsparkle at January 05, 2008 09:14 PM (dh4Tv)

164

McCain talks border enforcement! Deportation. Temporary worker program. Prosecute employes who don't comply.

Enough for any of you?

I actually think McCain, out of these on the stage, is tougher on illegal immigration (and more knowledgeable) than the others, but like I said, he isn't speaking the right language.  At all.  I can sort of understand it, if he's trying to not alienate the Hispanic vote, but I'm not sure it's really worth pursuing that angle after the last couple of years.

Posted by: Beth at January 05, 2008 09:14 PM (yqiXY)

165 Mitt is a whiner about attacks but he's right on McCain's position.

Posted by: DrewM. at January 05, 2008 09:14 PM (hlYel)

166 That was actually a pretty good exchange until Mitt tried to play the victim.

Couldn't imagine the Dem's lasting half that long without needing security to break things up.

Posted by: mesablue at January 05, 2008 09:15 PM (KCOdQ)

167 Thanks for the stream, Knemon.

Damn, McCain and Romney are gettin' snippy with each other!

Posted by: sandy burger at January 05, 2008 09:15 PM (/56dv)

168 McCain is getting hammered for his behavior this summer.

Good!

Posted by: Timothy S. Carlson at January 05, 2008 09:15 PM (uBBUD)

169 In that regard, this is the best debate so far -- especially right now.

Totally agree.

But FRED, SAY SOMETHING.

Posted by: Beth at January 05, 2008 09:15 PM (yqiXY)

170

Oh geeze. Rudy is invoking Reagan.

"Reagan was for it!!!"

UGH.

Posted by: Rightwingsparkle at January 05, 2008 09:15 PM (dh4Tv)

171

Fred is all over it.

Posted by: Rightwingsparkle at January 05, 2008 09:16 PM (dh4Tv)

172 It's also great how Ron Paul can't keep up with these guys when the moderator steps out-- at all.

Posted by: mesablue at January 05, 2008 09:17 PM (KCOdQ)

173 Come on Fred, show some fucking fire, smack these idiots around a little bit.

Posted by: DrewM. at January 05, 2008 09:17 PM (hlYel)

174 I'm sorry, but Fred sounds like he's winging the answer.

Posted by: Beth at January 05, 2008 09:17 PM (yqiXY)

175 Fred made Rudy shut up. Amazing

Posted by: Rightwingsparkle at January 05, 2008 09:17 PM (dh4Tv)

176

Oh boy- here comes Fred on immigration. C'mon Fred, hammer it home. This is where Fred needs to really get on the horse.

tmi3rd

Posted by: tmi3rd at January 05, 2008 09:17 PM (RQ7+a)

177 Why is it that every time Fred starts talking, my daughter starts getting loud?  Goddammit!

Posted by: Beth at January 05, 2008 09:18 PM (yqiXY)

178 Go FRED!

The only rightful penalty for being in this country illegally is getting your ass thrown out.
AND - Fred! is the first candidate to tie illegal immigration to national security.

Please God - keep Fred! in the race. Please, please, please.

Posted by: Timothy S. Carlson at January 05, 2008 09:18 PM (uBBUD)

179 Ok, enough on this. They are all trying to defend their past positions. ENOUGH.

Posted by: Rightwingsparkle at January 05, 2008 09:18 PM (dh4Tv)

180

Every time Fred goes on the offense, people start backpedaling. He's rocking... now just keep rocking, Fred!

tmi3rd

Posted by: tmi3rd at January 05, 2008 09:19 PM (RQ7+a)

181 I really like this format. It separates the candidates who really know their stuff (McCain, Thompson, Romney, Giuliani) from those that just rely on their advisers (Huck, apparently) and those that don't know anything about anything (Paul).

And it completely pushes the moderator to the side. Let them go after it.

Posted by: Gabriel Malor at January 05, 2008 09:19 PM (1Ug6U)

182 Good start by Fred, weak finish.... oops, he's following up.

Posted by: mesablue at January 05, 2008 09:19 PM (KCOdQ)

183 QL.  Fred hangs back until Rudy gives him a softball.  Fred smacking down Rudy is like a wet dream for me.

Posted by: Prufrock at January 05, 2008 09:19 PM (iQTyu)

184  That fucker.

Posted by: Gabriel Malor at January 05, 2008 09:20 PM (1Ug6U)

185 You guys seriously watched that instead of playoff football?!

shit

the terrorists Have won!

Posted by: Terry at January 05, 2008 09:20 PM (sebNt)

186

Timothy-

I'm sorry to be ignorant, but what's the NQ stand for in FYNQ?\

Thanks!

tmi3rd

Posted by: tmi3rd at January 05, 2008 09:20 PM (RQ7+a)

187 Fred! is the first candidate to tie illegal immigration to national security.

Yeah, I noticed that.  And can we start looking at the Canadian border as well?  That's where terrorists live and come in, not just from Mexico.  Not to mention overstayed visas & shit.

Posted by: Beth at January 05, 2008 09:21 PM (yqiXY)

188 Terry, I know that a few of us are doing both at the same time.

Posted by: Gabriel Malor at January 05, 2008 09:21 PM (1Ug6U)

189 "Nobody ought to live in fear of the police in America" Really Huck? Even if they are fucking criminals?

Really?  What the fuck is going on where this asswipe is leading the chase for the nomination?

Posted by: DrewM. at January 05, 2008 09:21 PM (hlYel)

190 The Pats aren't playing this weekend.  It might as well be intramural football.

Posted by: Prufrock at January 05, 2008 09:22 PM (iQTyu)

191 F*ck You Next Question

Posted by: Timothy S. Carlson at January 05, 2008 09:22 PM (uBBUD)

192 Does RP (die) even know anything about illegal immigration or care about it?

Posted by: Beth at January 05, 2008 09:23 PM (yqiXY)

193 "Or anybody who looks like an immigrant" Woah.

Posted by: Gabriel Malor at January 05, 2008 09:23 PM (1Ug6U)

194 NQ = next question

Posted by: Prufrock at January 05, 2008 09:23 PM (iQTyu)

195

Gotcha- thanks again.

tmi3rd

Posted by: tmi3rd at January 05, 2008 09:23 PM (RQ7+a)

196 I really like this format.

Yeah, it took a while. But, the back and forth is much better. Can't just rely on past talking points for every reponse.

Posted by: mesablue at January 05, 2008 09:23 PM (KCOdQ)

197 Good for Mitt - underscore that legal immigration is GOOD, illegal BAD.

Posted by: Timothy S. Carlson at January 05, 2008 09:23 PM (uBBUD)

198

Oh boy- here comes the "change" shit.

tmi3rd

Posted by: tmi3rd at January 05, 2008 09:25 PM (RQ7+a)

199 Yay Mitt, invoked PJ O'Rourke!
(Except he's  nothing like PJ at all.)

Rip on Obama's health care plan!  Just like Huckabee's!

Posted by: Beth at January 05, 2008 09:25 PM (yqiXY)

200 Well, if your playing the drinking game, Mitt just made you very drunk.

Posted by: Rightwingsparkle at January 05, 2008 09:26 PM (dh4Tv)

201 Best part of this debate...not a lot of talk about 'change'.

It really forced them to get into things and not stick to talking points.

I bet the Democrats are watching this and hoping that Gibson gives them the home team discount and doesn't make them address these issue in this depth. They can't hack it.

Damn, Mitt just went on a change rant. But it was a dumb question that let Mitt go on a talking points rant.

Posted by: DrewM. at January 05, 2008 09:26 PM (hlYel)

202 There you go, Drew. ::Glug glug glug::

Posted by: Gabriel Malor at January 05, 2008 09:26 PM (1Ug6U)

203 Everyone getting ready for the blood bath when the Dhimmis come out?


Popcorn and bandages are recommended.

Posted by: Timothy S. Carlson at January 05, 2008 09:26 PM (uBBUD)

204 Aggghh!  I lose the drinking/smoking "change" game--I can't smoke ten cigarettes at once!

Posted by: Beth at January 05, 2008 09:27 PM (yqiXY)

205 And can we start looking at the Canadian border as well?  That's where terrorists live and come in, not just from Mexico.

Is that why they search me every time I go to Canada?  I thought I was just unlucky or the fact that I accidentally showed my old red passport at the border once. Oops.

The Canadians seem to be more vigilant at our borders than we are.

Posted by: mesablue at January 05, 2008 09:27 PM (KCOdQ)

206 Maverick just tried to make a funny but didn't do a good job.

That was just lame.

Posted by: DrewM. at January 05, 2008 09:27 PM (hlYel)

207 Yeah, that sucked.

Posted by: Gabriel Malor at January 05, 2008 09:28 PM (1Ug6U)

208 Oh, I want them to tear Obama into nice bloody shreds here.  Come on, quit pulling punches!

Posted by: Beth at January 05, 2008 09:28 PM (yqiXY)

209 They're too focused on going after each other. Oh, maybe Giuliani will do better.

Posted by: Gabriel Malor at January 05, 2008 09:29 PM (1Ug6U)

210 Gawd I hate McCain. I don't even respect him as a person anymore.
What an ass.

Posted by: Timothy S. Carlson at January 05, 2008 09:29 PM (uBBUD)

211

Mitt is really getting shelled on this setup. He just came across like a typical politician- saw the talking points and went for it

tmi3rd

Posted by: tmi3rd at January 05, 2008 09:30 PM (RQ7+a)

212 Obama "voted to give our enemy a timetable of our withdrawal in Iraq". I like the formulation by Rudy.  Obama and the Democrats gave the enemy something. Nicely put.

Posted by: DrewM. at January 05, 2008 09:30 PM (hlYel)

213 Someone at RedState said yesterday that Obama's entire schtick is "a smorgasbord of pulchritudinous platitudes."  LOL.  Perfect.

Posted by: Beth at January 05, 2008 09:30 PM (yqiXY)

214 Oh good grief. Huck is praising Obama.

Posted by: Rightwingsparkle at January 05, 2008 09:31 PM (dh4Tv)

215

Boy. Huckabee went for the joke and totally airballed it.

tmi3rd

Posted by: tmi3rd at January 05, 2008 09:31 PM (RQ7+a)

216 This format really shows that Huckabee is not ready for prime time.

US Senate maybe, but he is overreaching.

Posted by: mesablue at January 05, 2008 09:31 PM (KCOdQ)

217 I have my own game right now - everytime Huck speaks, I crap my pants.

Oh goody, some comic relief. Paul is speaking...

Posted by: Timothy S. Carlson at January 05, 2008 09:31 PM (uBBUD)

218 Huck=Obama.

Style over substance.

Of course Ron Paul just said he and Obama have a lot in common. That's a bug not a feature Ron.

Posted by: DrewM. at January 05, 2008 09:32 PM (hlYel)

219

Obama and Paul in similarities?

I can only think of the Frank Sinatra/ Stevie Wonder skit on SNL...

"I am black and you are white..."

tmi3rd

Posted by: tmi3rd at January 05, 2008 09:32 PM (RQ7+a)

220 Good God! The Obama people are putting together a commercial as we speak of the praise from Huck and Ron.  

Posted by: Rightwingsparkle at January 05, 2008 09:33 PM (dh4Tv)

221 I disagree, mesa. His answer was "guns, pro-life, federalism (?since when?), respect."

Idiots are lapping it up.

Posted by: Gabriel Malor at January 05, 2008 09:33 PM (1Ug6U)

222 Ron Paul, on the other hand, shouldn't even be on a local school board.

Who elects a nutjob like this? 

Posted by: mesablue at January 05, 2008 09:33 PM (KCOdQ)

223 Gas prices?

Memo to all the idiots out there...there's nothing the government can do about it!

Posted by: DrewM. at January 05, 2008 09:33 PM (hlYel)

224 Huck is praising Obama.
=
Huck=Obama.

Posted by: Beth at January 05, 2008 09:34 PM (yqiXY)

225 Did Ron Paul is say that Barack's people were helping him?  I'm not sure that's a good thing to admit.

Posted by: pdapete at January 05, 2008 09:34 PM (jZMGp)

226  Oh, JESUS. This man should not be allowed to talk EVAR GAGWNSF

Posted by: Gabriel Malor at January 05, 2008 09:34 PM (1Ug6U)

227 Have I mentioned I hate Ron Paul?

War for oil?

Die in a burning lake of oil.

Posted by: Beth at January 05, 2008 09:35 PM (yqiXY)

228 McCain is giving his global warming speech....bye bye john

Posted by: pdapete at January 05, 2008 09:35 PM (jZMGp)

229

Oh, Christ... McCain did not just go off in the green direction... yes he did.

tmi3rd

Posted by: tmi3rd at January 05, 2008 09:36 PM (RQ7+a)

230 OMFG, please don't drink the Gorbal Worming Kool-Aid.

Posted by: Beth at January 05, 2008 09:36 PM (yqiXY)

231 Don't the Free Masons control gas prices?

Ooops!  Was I supposed to keep quiet about that?

Posted by: eman at January 05, 2008 09:37 PM (8iSfZ)

232 Yes, Fred!  Oil from enemies = BAD!

Posted by: Beth at January 05, 2008 09:37 PM (yqiXY)

233 Did you catch the scorn coming out of that guy's mouth when he said "profits"?

Posted by: Gabriel Malor at January 05, 2008 09:37 PM (1Ug6U)

234 I wish Fred was smoother...he is the best and brightest, but tough to get people to like him.

Posted by: pdapete at January 05, 2008 09:37 PM (jZMGp)

235 Don't the Free Masons control gas prices?

No, we do.

Posted by: The Stone Cutters at January 05, 2008 09:37 PM (hlYel)

236 Idiots are lapping it up.

True, but most of the idiots wait to vote in the general.  His schtick wears thin when he is forced to explain himself in an environment where he doesn't set the rules.

Huckabee is like a Krispy Kreme doughnut.  All shiny and warm at first glance.

Thick and as a brick and unappealing after a few days.

*ducks


Posted by: mesablue at January 05, 2008 09:38 PM (KCOdQ)

237

Fred is rocking this again... particularly slapping down the windfall profits tax thing. I'm not trying to sound like a shill, but I keep nodding and saying "thank you" with just about everything he's saying.

tmi3rd

Posted by: tmi3rd at January 05, 2008 09:38 PM (RQ7+a)

238 Don't the Free Masons control gas prices?

Just don't tell Ron Paul. 

Oh wait...nevermind, that's where it came from.

Posted by: Beth at January 05, 2008 09:38 PM (yqiXY)

239 Mmmm, donuts.... aaaargh.

Posted by: Gabriel Malor at January 05, 2008 09:38 PM (1Ug6U)

240

Eisenhower and the man on the moon? What the fuck did Rudy pull that out of?

tmi3rd

Posted by: tmi3rd at January 05, 2008 09:39 PM (RQ7+a)

241 I just saw a video the other day on a car that:
    - cost between 6000-10,000 euro
    - you can fill up the tank in minutes
    - cost 2-4 euros to fill up the tank
    - gets 200km per tank
    - at least city speeds, maybe highway speeds
    - it runs on compressed air

Only problem is it is being developed in Fwance.

I'll see if I can find the link.

Posted by: Timothy S. Carlson at January 05, 2008 09:39 PM (uBBUD)

242 100 mpg for a billion? easy money..

Posted by: pdapete at January 05, 2008 09:40 PM (jZMGp)

243 Fred just keeps laughing at Huckabee, it's like a father shaking his head at his teenage son's stupidity.

Posted by: Rightwingsparkle at January 05, 2008 09:40 PM (dh4Tv)

244 Eisenhower created NASA.

Posted by: Gabriel Malor at January 05, 2008 09:40 PM (1Ug6U)

245 Fred is doing well, but he is not bitch-slapping these pussies like a true badass should.

Posted by: eman at January 05, 2008 09:40 PM (8iSfZ)

246 Fred is great but damn, he just sits there.

I wish he were electable but he's not. Sorry guys. I don't want style over substance but you have to have a combination of those skills. It's a shame but it's the reality.

Posted by: DrewM. at January 05, 2008 09:40 PM (hlYel)

247 I wish Fred was smoother.

Yeah, me too.  It's like he's just living his regular life and just decided last minute to show up to the debate, like he's just winging the answers. 
That's sort of reassuring, though, in that he does have the good answers without sounding prepped--like he just has a lot of knowledge laying around up there in his noggin.  Still, it's a debate.  You have to look AWAKE.

Posted by: Beth at January 05, 2008 09:41 PM (yqiXY)

248
Only problem is it is being developed in Fwance.

And sets itself on fire 300 nights a year.

Posted by: mesablue at January 05, 2008 09:41 PM (KCOdQ)

249

So he did. Thanks, Gabe.

tmi3rd

Posted by: tmi3rd at January 05, 2008 09:41 PM (RQ7+a)

250 Good debate. I wish they had this format sooner.

Now I really hope the Democrats get tough issues as well.

Posted by: DrewM. at January 05, 2008 09:42 PM (hlYel)

251 nice debate, well run, great format.

kudos to abc for getting it right for once.

Posted by: pdapete at January 05, 2008 09:42 PM (jZMGp)

252 That's it?  I was waiting for something to happen.

Posted by: Prufrock at January 05, 2008 09:42 PM (iQTyu)

253

Beth,

Exactly. Like I have said before, one can't just mosey into a Presidential candidacy.

Posted by: Rightwingsparkle at January 05, 2008 09:42 PM (dh4Tv)

254 Ah, jeez.

Posted by: Gabriel Malor at January 05, 2008 09:42 PM (1Ug6U)

255 Good grief. What kind of feel good touchy feely idiotic thing WAS THAT????

Posted by: Rightwingsparkle at January 05, 2008 09:43 PM (dh4Tv)

256 Ok then. 

This is special. 

Kind of weird to see them all up there.


Posted by: mesablue at January 05, 2008 09:43 PM (KCOdQ)

257  I really wish I could stay and watch the Dems, but I gotta go.

Ya'll have a good night.

Posted by: Gabriel Malor at January 05, 2008 09:43 PM (1Ug6U)

258 Okay, I actually LIKED this debate, for the first time.  I would have liked it a lot more if RP hadn't been there, though.

OMG, the messiah and the silky pony.  And hitlery.  GAG.

Boooooo Dhimmicrats!


Posted by: Beth at January 05, 2008 09:43 PM (yqiXY)

259 good job.

Posted by: pdapete at January 05, 2008 09:43 PM (jZMGp)

260 WTF?  Group hug with the Dems?!

Jeebus!

Posted by: eman at January 05, 2008 09:43 PM (8iSfZ)

261 Silky just grabbed Huckabee's ass.

Posted by: mesablue at January 05, 2008 09:44 PM (KCOdQ)

262 Here they come...

Can anyone read lips?

I think Shhhhillary is telling Huck "I'm gonna kick your ass, preacher boy"...

Posted by: Timothy S. Carlson at January 05, 2008 09:44 PM (uBBUD)

263 I may puke. Really. I mean it. And not just a little in my mouth. 

Posted by: Rightwingsparkle at January 05, 2008 09:44 PM (dh4Tv)

264 Did you see Bill Richardson looking all bored and annoyed while RP was yammering at him?  HAHA!
I'd vote for Richardson for World Emperor before I'd vote for Ron Paul for County Dog Catcher.

Posted by: Beth at January 05, 2008 09:45 PM (yqiXY)

265 I'm surprised Gibson didn't ask them to sing "Kumbya My Lord."

Posted by: Rightwingsparkle at January 05, 2008 09:45 PM (dh4Tv)

266 Eh, I like this group photo shit.

At the end of the day one of them will be President. The fights will continue but so will the Republic. We need to be reminded that power is handed over in an orderly, non-violent way.

Very few nations have the history of that like we do (maybe just the British?). It's good to be reminded how fortunate it is we have that and can take it for granted.

Posted by: DrewM. at January 05, 2008 09:45 PM (hlYel)

267 Is it just me, or did, for a brief fraction of a second, John McCain and John Edwards look like they were about to make out?

Posted by: AD at January 05, 2008 09:45 PM (4gDkY)

268
I think Shhhhillary is telling Huck "I'm gonna kick your ass, preacher boy"...

Nah, it was more like, "bend over and let me show you how a real man does it."

Posted by: mesablue at January 05, 2008 09:46 PM (KCOdQ)

269 Where's Fred going?  Oh, he's back.  Maybe he was just trying to dodge Hillary or something.

Posted by: sandy burger at January 05, 2008 09:46 PM (/56dv)

270 Silky just grabbed Huckabee's ass.

Awww, I thought it was a touching moment.  They looked sorta like a father-son team (despite their ages).

Posted by: Beth at January 05, 2008 09:46 PM (yqiXY)

271 This was a good debate.  Good format.  Too much RP and Amnesty-Man, not enough Fred.

I saw a VP Mitt thing going on there.  I could live with Thompson/Romney.


Posted by: eman at January 05, 2008 09:46 PM (8iSfZ)

272 Is anybody having trouble with the comments now that the thread is so long? I am not but I know NCT can be fickle.

I can open a new thread for the Dems or we can leave this one.

Posted by: DrewM. at January 05, 2008 09:47 PM (hlYel)

273

I don't think I can bear to watch the Dem debate. Hillary with her fake smile and Obama with his "uniting" face of concern.

Ugh. I need some wine. 

Posted by: Rightwingsparkle at January 05, 2008 09:47 PM (dh4Tv)

274 It's good to be reminded how fortunate it is we have that and can take it for granted.

Keep watching for about a half hour and say that again.

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I know but a Democrat is going to be elected some day.

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It'd probably make things easier to have a new thread.  JMO.

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Someone at RedState said yesterday that Obama's entire schtick is "a smorgasbord of pulchritudinous platitudes."  LOL.  Perfect.

The same could've been said for Romney.

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285 Okay, new Dem thread is up.


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Fred looked too gray....wrong shirt color with drab tie.  Surprising for someone in showbusiness to not understand the lighting and effect on tv would not be good for him.   His drab attire added to his very 'laid back' style.  A shame because I want him to be in the Oval Office. 

Spice it up Fred!

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I too could live with Romney as veep, but he's clearly going for the #1 slot.  I don't think Mccain is worthy of this contest.  He's tacky and a bit dishonest.  This isn't just a pissing match.  I know everyone likes him, but he had the easiest time up there and still came out looking like a jerk.

Thompson can communicate that he thinks something is stupid without looking like a jerk.  I also think he's got the stamina to do a great job as Prez.  he won't wear himself out worrying about what the idiot press want him to say.  He's make the bad press look quite bad.  Something Bush can't do, but has tried 100 times.  8 years of Thompson might competely save journalism as a profession.

Rudy Mccain and Romney are too sensitive to their image in the press.

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What's up??  Oh, Pittsburgh and Carolina.  Awesome.

 

anything happening?  damn those tamales were good.

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I was clicking back and forth and it looks like the Pats will win the super bowl and the Republic is doomed. I won't vote huck, but I won't be voting for any dem's either.

Maybe we should start a Draft PJ petition.

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Just saw the debate.  McCain is a liar regarding his immigration stance and Guliani is flat out for amnesty. I liked seeing Mitt trying to make McCain call his plan exactly what it is, Amnesty.

Mitt gets my vote if Fred doesn't wake up soon.

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