1

Savages.

Fucking savages.

2 DAMN!  Unfortunately, not surprising. Pakistan has harbored and formented terrorist scumbags and extremists for years.

3

Oh fuck.

I wonder if it's time to forcibly de-nuclearize Pakistan.

4 Besides the explosion, I heard she was shot in the neck.

5

Naomi Wolf no doubt blames Bush

After all, who else would want to kill a woman trying to reform a country full of intolerant, misogynist religious extremists?

Certainly not islamic terrorists- who exist only in the minds of the evil fascist Bush junta

6 Just about every week you hear of them blowing each other up in their mosques. What a hellhole that country is.

7

Crap. 

Having failed with babies and young kids, these douchebags might finally said 'fuck it' and surgically implanted high explosives in the stomachs of some teenaged girls and then sent them to greet Bhutto.

 

-

8
Naomi Wolf no doubt blames Bush

Naomi Wolf needs to be in a psych ward until her meds kick in and control her paranoia.  I'm joking about the hospitalization but not about her being clinically paranoid. Then again, it may all be a money making schtick on her part. Oooo! Big bad Bush is going to get us all!

9

Bhutto was obviously the real deal

After a recent assassination attempt (failed), she goes right back to public speaking? IN a country literally teeming with insane jihadists?

Thats some serious fucking balls. What a shame. Looks like Pakistan had a true leader with REAL courage- not the Sean Penn kind.

10

Am I the only xenophobe who would agree to a permanent moratorium of Pakistani immigration into the US?

Those fuckers are crazy. I dont care if a few of them are honest, non violent gas station owners. They cant be trusted.

11 Wow.  She had guts, those guys were obviously gunning for her, and she kept appearing in public.  I think this was, what, the third attempt?

12 you know what freaks here. there are no more religion now. All wants power and that's what gonna happen. fuck !!!!!!!!

13

Show up to work this morning expecting a quiet day on a quiet week, and the whole world goes to hell.

Fuck, and here I had such high hopes for 2008.

14 Well, in my opinion, we should immediately invade Pakistan.

15 Yeah i think bush is assasinating the leader and clearing out ways for musharaf's martial law!!! damn!!

16 Democrats should take note that this is how a lot of the world conducts "negotiations".

17 Not a surprise.

1.]Use a bomb to get her to leave her security zone.

2.] Have ambushers waiting at the main exit routes.

No, the jihadi's were not going to sit still for a woman to become a prominent member of the government.

The Pakistan she fled and the Pakistan she came back to were two entirely different places. Mayhaps some of the chattering fools out there will finally wake up. Outside of our comfy country, many, many other places are little safer than your average crack house.

PS-hudda, you're a complete idiot.  Do us all a favor and go play out in the nearest rush-hour traffic.  Don't worry, you won't be missed.

18

Pakistan embraced terrorism and fomented Militant Islam because they could not win Kashmir from India using conventional Military means. As of today, Pakistan-borne Islamic terrorists have killed more Pakistanis and Muslims than anyone else. The monster is out of the bottle and is after the blood of it's master.

You sow wind, you reap hurricanes.

19 Bhutto was obviously the real deal

No, Bhutto was an absolute disaster and one of the reasons that Sharif tossed the previous government to the curb. Her government was corrupt, kleptocratic and it had a hand in starting all of this islamofascist garbage.

She reaped what she helped sow. Now people will deify her, make her a martyr.

If they reward her at the expense of her assassins, that is a good thing.  Unfortunately, Ghandi is rather an abused figure in Indian politics, for instance, even though he is worshiped in American politics; I figure that we'll all lay wreaths to commemorate her "Great Works" and the Pakistanis will continue to go about their business irregardless of our homages.

20

This is terrible. She worked hard to reform a country full of misogynist, Islamofascist miscreants. Pakistan has formented terrorist scumbags and extremists for years. She knew her life was in constant danger, but returned to her home and courageously stood up to subhuman filth.

To be sure, the Musharraf regime will blame the United States for brokering an agreement to let her back into Pakistan, and the moonbats on the Left will blame President Bush because everything is his fault, from their lousy childhoods to their miserable worthless adult lives.

Musharraf is probably glad that someone finally got to her.  She was the biggest threat to the oppressive, corrupt regime.  No one has yet claimed responsibility for this atrocity, but Musharraf, the Taliban, and Al Qaeda head up the list. For her efforts to bring democracy to Pakistan, she was rewarded with murder.

Expect a lot of rioting and more bombs. It won’t stop until all the muslim extremist pigs are dead, which means it won’t be any time soon.

21 This is horrible but I'm not shocked.  She knew this was going to happen, everyone knew this was going to happen, it was just a matter of time.

Savages is the word for it.  The beings who do such things are not worthy of even being referred to as human. 

22

We'd better be ready to grab the nukes.  If only to keep the maniacs from glassing their own country, (pretty bad case), or getting someone else to do it for them (worst case).

23 And they wonder why they are third-world hellholes.

24 AKI is reporting Al Qaeda's already taking credit.

25 Oh, poo. This is not good. She could have helped us.

Political parties in Pakistan tend to revolve around personality cults rather than ideologies. It will be interesting to see who picks up Benazir's baton.

I woke up and saw "Breaking News: Bhutto Assassinated" on TV. I thought they were showing live coverage from after Zia's coup. A few minutes later, I come to realize they're talking about Benazir Bhutto.

*sigh*

26

One more dead reason why we don't hear more from the "moderate muslims".

27 Damn, she was a brave woman who was probably one of our better hopes in that God forsaken part of the world.

28

Don't get me wrong, Pakistan is a shithole and will likely remain so as long as Islamic radicals are a large portion of the population but we have not been immune to assassinations ourselves.  Eighteen serious attempts and four succeeded.  16th, 20th , 25th and 35th Presidents.  I'm suprised Pakistan doesn't have an assassination every other day.

29

Vercingetorix at December 27, 2007 10:38 AM

I don't listen to Rush but ditto.

30

Vercingetorix,

I'd call you a moron, but that would insult all the fine morons here. Bhotto did not "reap what she helped to sow". Islamic fascism was arond long before her. I don;t doubt that she wasn't the cleanest politician around, at least by American standards, but if you can show me a political saint over in that part of the world I would be pretty shocked.

Bhutto showed more bravery in the last year than most American politicians have shown in their lifetimes. She knew of the threats, yet tried to bring her country back from the brink. If this doesn't wake up the Pakis, then I don't know what will. There needs to be a demand to rid the country of terrorists, or this will keep happening again and again.

31 And one can see the impact assasination has on a stable country (the US).  God only knows what will happen in Pakistan now.

32

Comment #16:

Exactly

33 Well, how does this affect Keith Olbermann?

34

I think that Pakistan will be the center of the news for the next year. The Islamic crazies tossed from Afghanistan and the Saudi funding for them all moved to Pakistan.  They hatched a fresh generation of madmen.

The insane fundamentalists are simply too strong now for any hope of a quiet resolution.  Usually the military would take over and shoot the situation into submission, but the military is full of fundamentalists too.

I don't see much hope except for a U.S. supported Musharaf'  dictatorship which will be condemned by the rest of the world, while they refuse to deal with the problem. I don't like that solution - and I'm open to another one if anybody has one - but I think that violent death has found a new home for the next few years.

I don't believe there are any local powers that can form a successful peacekeeping force.  India probably has the strength but would be as welcome as a cobra. The same is true for China.  The U.S. can't go in. The U.N.?  Go on, Guv, pull the other one. 

35
Someone on the news just said that the "assassination could trigger a cycle of violence."   Excuse me, but  don't they blow up each other every other day over there? This is just business as usual.

36

Im sure we'll be hearing the unified voice of the "feminist" movement with outrage against the islamofacists and their campaign of violence against women leaders and politicians, and support for US efforts in Afghanistan, Iraq and elsewhere to promote tolerance and representative forms of govt

Ms. Stienem? Joy Behar you ignorant cunt? Ms. Glyllenhall you goony, moronic twat?Anyone?

/crickets

37 Not good mav

38 Bhutto showed more bravery in the last year than most American politicians have shown in their lifetimes. She knew of the threats, yet tried to bring her country back from the brink.

Yeah, yeah, wonderful, good for her, BUT her government was a disaster. Ie the government she was a part of. Talk about Iraq's governmental malfeasance then look at the Pakistanis pull off con jobs that would have shocked Stalin.

Now, I agree with you on most points. She obviously wasn't a coward, but bravery doesn't necessarily make heroes. Her government was as much a part of the problem as Mushariff's. Bro, that die is cast, that damage was done, by her and her predecessors.

She wanted to help? Too little, too late. Pakistan hurdled off the brink a long time ago.

39 Al-Qa'idah is claiming responsibility.

40
You have to admit that it doesn't get much lower than kidnapping a baby, packing it with explosives, and using it as a bomb.

Americans would be outraged over the bombing of houses of worship. But over there, like packing infants with C-4, is business as usual.

There is no hope for places like Pakistan. I think the best outcome is to contain them to killing each other and not us.

41 Not to be pedantic, but there's a bit of a difference between martial law and emergency rule. Emergency rule is declared by the president acting as such and deals with expanding the government's permissible actions. Martial law is declared by the Chief of Staff (now Gen. Ashfaq Kayani) and dissolves the civilian government.

Musharraf cannot declare martial law, although Kayani could and install Musharraf as Chief Executive. Previously, Musharraf declared emergency rule, not martial law. He can do so again.

42 You have to admit that it doesn't get much lower than kidnapping a baby, packing it with explosives, and using it as a bomb.

That sounds like a challenge.  You crusaders said that about 911 too.  When will you learn that we can always be more shocking and disgusting than you can imagine? 

You won't, and that's why we keep doin' our thang.

43 Many here have said that this was expected. And it's true. If they really wanted to get her, it would only be a matter of time.

But I'm still shocked.

As bad as she was, she was the best there was for a democratic government. If we want Pakistan to have a democratic government. Which, frankly, I don't see why we should be pressuring them to have one. Only dictatorship will keep it together, and only dictatorship will allow the government to force its armed services to shoot the terrorists. But if we wanted Pakistan to have a democratically-elected leader, Benazir would have been the one who would have worked with us the best.

Consider the deplorable lack of assassination attempts on Nawaz Sharif. This should tell us something.

44 If Pakistan continues into a death spiral, India may have to take out Pakistani nukes for self protection. This just get worse and worse!

45 (I used "deplorable" up there tongue in cheek. If Sharif goes, as bad as he was and is, we're really in big trouble.)

46 Critterdon has a great take on it. Tend to agree on all accounts.

47 Is it Islam that turns people murderously insane, or do murderously insane people flock to Islam? We don't see this degree of shit over in India. They have their share, yes, but not nearly as much, it seems to me.

48 Sorry, steveegg! Didn't mean to steal your thunder. Your link was very, very crucial.

49

Excellent reason to scrool down & re-view the 1:20 PM post yesterday.

Sadly, they didn't suffer.

50 As bad as she was, she was the best there was for a democratic government. If we want Pakistan to have a democratic government. Which, frankly, I don't see why we should be pressuring them to have one. Only dictatorship will keep it together, and only dictatorship will allow the government to force its armed services to shoot the terrorists. But if we wanted Pakistan to have a democratically-elected leader, Benazir would have been the one who would have worked with us the best.

Yeah, about sums it up. The option to a bad choice isn't a good one, but a worse choice, as VDH would say.

51 Will be interesting to hear Pelosi and Reids response to this.  That will be a seriously skinny tight rope they will have to walk.

52 Here's Mark Stein's take:

Link

'Nuff said.

53 Sorry, that should Steyn.

54 Only dictatorship will keep it together, and only dictatorship will allow the government to force its armed services to shoot the terrorists.

Interestingly, this is what many on  the left still believe about Saddam.  The main problem with  this concept is that dictatorships have the nasty habit of turning into the very thing we are hoping to avoid, which are totalitarian regimes that become more dangerous than the actual terrorists that we hope they will crush.

55 I'm heading over there tomorrow to get to the bottom of this.  I've packed an extra sleeve of plastic cups.

56 What an awful thing to happen, but its certainly not a shock.  I really don't think we'd be talking about this if Pakistan wasn't a) a terrorist breeding ground, and b) rife with nuclear weapons and crazy Islam. 
The presidential nominees are starting to work to get the angle on this extraordinarily unfortunate, but not surprising, event:
McCampaignFinanceReform
Huckster
Giuliani
Romney
I'm sure there's more out there by now, but the implications are obvious.  Not even Chuck Norris' savage appeal should be able to save Huckabee on his lack of foreign policy, and if this stays in the news for more than 2 or 3 days it will completely alter the tone of the primaries (for the good I think). 

57 Vercingetorix is right, the Bhutto regimes were disasters. I.e., pretty much par for the course in that part of the world.

But the woman herself had guts. And in the end, she put her life on the line to try and do right by her country. That counts for a lot in my book. Requiescat in pacem, Behazhir.

58 AndrewsDad, that's an interesting comment. Will the Dems show any solidarity with the President at this time? Will they even show him the barest civility? I wonder.

59 AndrewsDad - here's something interesting Pelosi had to say.  I haven't seen anything corroborating the source, but the implications are interesting if that is in fact what she said.

60 And John Podhoretz has his own thoughts as well:

http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/jpodhoretz/1684

As much as some would like it, the REAL world isn't going away.  Let's see who addresses this matter best [as an aside...this makes Hillary's Christmas ad look REALLY vapid.].  It concerns us all.

61 Avast, satire!  Its like that is what Pelosi would say in an alternate universe...as a Republican...or perhaps a human.  Hope I didn't steer you down the path to positive thoughts about our Democratic leaders...

62 Another victim of "White Man's Burden" syndrome. I blame State.

Sorry if that seems cold, but I'm not really surprised.

63 Interestingly, this is what many on  the left still believe about Saddam.  The main problem with  this concept is that dictatorships have the nasty habit of turning into the very thing we are hoping to avoid, which are totalitarian regimes that become more dangerous than the actual terrorists that we hope they will crush.

That's why Zia-ul-Haq was assassinated. 'Nuff said.

64 I can't wait to see how the Dem Presidential canidates are going to use this.  Remember, they have to play to the base.  This could be the thing that secures the nomination or sends the campaign down in flames.  On the republican side, it may help McCain and Rudy.  Could be the end of the "Huck Surge."

65 It's interesting to see this starting to filter down to our presidential campaign. I think ultimately it shows how limited the influence of any President is when it comes to shaping the internal actions of other countries.

This whole idea of a Musharraf-Bhutto marriage either came from State or was at a minimum facilitated by us. I am sure it looked good in a position paper and there was much congratulating at Foggy Bottom but then destiny took a hand.

Yes, a President can and must be able to protect the country but ultimately, our ability to shape the conditions in other countries is very limited.

66 She  was a great opposition leader, but a really terrible president.

67 Interestingly, this is what many on  the left still believe about Saddam.  The main problem with  this concept is that dictatorships have the nasty habit of turning into the very thing we are hoping to avoid, which are totalitarian regimes that become more dangerous than the actual terrorists that we hope they will crush.

Indeed, wiserbud, but there is a golden mean here to balance things out. There is no One-Size-Fits-All Scheme of what works with democracy and Islamic countries, at least (and all nations, really).

So, point taken with Saddam, but I venture a point with Gaza and the effect of democracy there. Personally, I think a democratic Gaza was a clarifying event; the Palis chose war and war they were handed. And elections have handed many nations to far worse governments, from Latin America to Africa to Asia (and Europe).

It is easy to say that democracy works, but we really only think democracy works when they choose the right leaders. If they held elections tomorrow in Pakistan, the Paki choice might be worse for the world around them than another century of tyranny. They do have nukes, after all.

But in the end, I'm a military guy. Crush my enemies, all else is luxury.

68 Have I not conveyed the message? O' Allah, bear witness then!

Zawahiri repeating the words of Abdullah Azzam calling for jihad after the fall of the Red Mosque last summer.

69

Yep, this place is just about ready for freedom.

70

I think ultimately it shows how limited the influence of any President is when it comes to shaping the internal actions of other countries.

Exactly. Or the US government in general.

71

This whole idea of a Musharraf-Bhutto marriage either came from State or was at a minimum facilitated by us. I am sure it looked good in a position paper and there was much congratulating at Foggy Bottom but then destiny took a hand.

John Bolton in a Hugh Hewitt interview...

^{HH: What ought to be the reaction of the United States to Musharraf’s declaration of military rule?} 

^{JB: Well, I don’t think it’s anything we should celebrate, of course, but I think we have to be practical about this. This is a regime in control of a number of nuclear weapons, it’s a regime we need to fight the remainder of al Qaeda and Taliban along its border with Afghanistan. And I don’t think we ought to be pushing Musharraf out the door, or necessarily in a direction of coalitions with the likes of Benazir Bhutto, if he thinks it would weaken his position, because the alternative is not a nice Jeffersonian democratic government. The alternative to Musharraf right now is an Islamo-fascist government in control of nuclear weapons, and that’s definitely something to fear.} 

^{HH: Is there a danger that Musharraf could become Bush’s Shah or his Diem?} 

^{JB: Well, I think that’s entirely possible, and I think part of the reason is the State Department was pushing Benazir Bhutto on him, and I think it was a very foolish strategy, because you can’t say take on some of the democratic opposition and not take on the rest of it. This trying to read internal Pakistani politics is hard for the Pakistanis, let alone for people at the State Department.} 

72 Obligatory tasteless AoSHQ Lifestyle™ tie-in: years ago, I had a "World Leaders I'd Like to See Naked" list.  Admittedly, it was a very short list, but Benazir Bhutto was on it.

In recent years, she was definitely showing her age, but back in the day, she was smokin' hot. For a world leader.

73 JackStraw: Abdullah Azzam got those words from Islam's prophet Muhammad, from his famous Last Sermon.

74 We have plenty of influence in shaping other governments but not total influence.  The question is whether we use our leverage and influence properly. In this case we pushed for democracy and unworkable coalitions too soon.  I blame State and BDS.

75

I see John Bolton said it better.

76 >>Muslihoon at December 27, 2007 12:44 PM (LR1ZU)

Yep. My point, poorly made, is that Zawahiri called for jihad against Pakistan last summer following in the footsteps of the founder of al Qaeda, Azzam. Pakistan was home for al Qaeda before and during the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan and has always been a training ground for recruits and a target for takeover.

This attack, while sad, is not surprising and things are likely to get worse before they get better.

77 I am sure it looked good in a position paper and there was much congratulating at Foggy Bottom but then destiny took a hand.

Thanks H&R - exactly what I was thinking about. I am sure their was all kinds of cheers and back pats at Foggy Bottom.

Fools. Makes me sick our tax dollars pay the salaries of the entrenched partisan morons at State and CIA. They seem to do more harm than good.

78 their = there

79

President Bush's arrogant bunker mentality can be seen as a contributing factor in today's horrific events.

I am calling for a surge in wingtips on the ground in Pakistan.

80 Huffington Post sickos

scampy123 (See profile | I'm a fan of scampy123)
If only we could read that Bush and Blair had been blown to bits with this greedy corrupt bitch who was persuaded to return for the American style of imposed democracy.
Why have the war criminals Bush and Blair have not been assasinated?
Reply | posted 09:46 am on 12/27/2007

81 Pull the fuckin' trigger, George!

82

Well, shit, meet fan.

It is impossible for Pakistan to be a stable, peaceful country unless and until the millions of fucked-up fanatics there are killed. 

Can anyone come up with a scenario for a peaceful Pakistan that doesn't require death and destruction on a WWII  scale?

83

THe left wing/Democrat spin writes itself

Musharraf is Bushs puppet- he declared "martial law" which infuriated the jihadis, who in turn killed Bhutto

Our support of "dictators" for "convenience" resulted in this bloodshed. If we really wanted to bring about "democracy" we would drop Musharraf and let the Pakistanis vote in elections

etc. etc.

Its the jihad, stupid dems.

84

Theres a reason we havent heard from ANY DEMS on this issue

Spin requires time

Honesty is usually pretty fast

85 Some more food for thought [by some very smart people...]:

http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=YzY3MDY5YTJkMTliODQ1NjJhZDgxODliNWZjMTg0Yzc=

It's worth a read.

86

The question is whether we use our leverage and influence properly. In this case we pushed for democracy and unworkable coalitions too soon.  I blame State and BDS.

No, you can blame the Bush Administration. It is, after all, at least formerly the central tenet of its foreign policy.

87

Here is the official statement from the Clinton camp:

Statement of Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton on the Death of Benazir Bhutto

"I am profoundly saddened and outraged by the assassination of Benazir Bhutto, a leader of tremendous political and personal courage. I came to know Mrs. Bhutto over many years, during her tenures as Prime Minister and during her years in exile. Mrs. Bhutto's concern for her country, and her family, propelled her to risk her life on behalf of the Pakistani people. She returned to Pakistan to fight for democracy despite threats and previous attempts on her life and now she has made the ultimate sacrifice. Her death is a tragedy for her country and a terrible reminder of the work that remains to bring peace, stability, and hope to regions of the globe too often paralyzed by fear, hatred, and violence.

"Let us pray that her legacy will be a brighter, more hopeful future for the people she loved and the country she served. My family and I extend our condolences and deepest sympathies to the victims and their families and to the people of Pakistan."

 

88

No, you can blame the Bush Administration. It is, after all, at least formerly the central tenet of its foreign policy.

You are right.  The administration should have resisted the State's push for this strategy which I believe was greatly based on their dislike of Bush and his support for Musharraf and strategy to fight the WOT.

89

Look, none of our analysis means a damn.  We can't know the true meaning and importance of all this until we hear from Frank Rich.

 

90 e administration should have resisted the State's push for this strategy which I believe was greatly based on their dislike of Bush and his support for Musharraf and strategy to fight the WOT.

If you happen to read the newly released Shadow Warriors you will find that it doesn't matter when the White House resists the State departments push for anything. The state department bureauBRATS defy the WH and it's policies at every turn, no matter what.

91 I'm 2/3 through Shadow Warriors and it is alarming to say the least.  The fact that he names the players and to my knowledge no litigation blowback, tells me a lot.  The White House seemed to ignore a lot of this malfeasance and they can be blamed for that.

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