1
OMG! That bridge goes to nowhere!

2 You can bet good 'ol Mass won't be getting anymore highway funding.

3 Halliburton!

4

Yes, well, meanwhile we're spending 1.26 trillion a day in Iraq so that we can kill billions of more innocent children and add 5.3 cubic tons of carbon dioxide to the environment just so that the Bush daughters can fill up their cars with cheap gas and go out and drive drunk and run over black people who are trying to rebuild their lives in New Orleans.

5

"cubic tons"

Other than that, I had no problem with your comments....

6

Great.  I spoof a lefty and some fucking pedant picks up on a deliberate absurdity and points it out.

Thanks, Professor Science.  Maybe you should go fisk the Cool Facts About Dick Cheney thread.  Rumor has it that it's full of inaccuracies.

7

"Rumor has it that it's full of inaccuracies."

About 5.3 cubic tons worth, best I can figure.

8 Muhahahahaha, it all comes back to Darth Cheney, doesn't it?

9

Hey, I just realized that Iraq doesn't even have a billion Iraqi children living in it.

Boy is my face red.  5.3 cubic tons of redness.  Yup.

10 Well maybe they did have a billion children in Iraq before Cheney and Halliburton got there.  Did any one count them?  There could have been a billion of them.  And if there arn't a billion there now, maybe they were killed.  Prove me wrong if you can.

11

The Cubic Ton is real!

I've seen it.  One night it stomped right into my backyard and ate my dog.  Then it came back the next day and crapped out what was left of dog right into my pool.

That's when I swore I would get revenge.

Nobody does that to my pool and gets away with it.

12 Who designed that bridge?  Cylons?

13 cubic tons

Its tons that bleed over into adjacent universes in the multiverse.

14

The Bush daughters don't pump their own gas either. That's what Secret Service Agents are for. Ane the gas isn't cheap - it's free for the daughters of the friends of the Oil Industry. Cheny's daughter even gets Green Stamps she can lick.

15 Yeah finished until the tunnel collapses again.

16 If you waited a few more minutes to take that picture....

 
Link

17 Speaking of "tax dollars" (scare quotes mine)...at least the Big Dig is here and we can actually use it...opposed to:

Beelyuns in Aid to Crapistan Was Wasted

SLAMAJAMMABAD, Crapistan — After the United States has spent bunches more than $5 billion in a largely failed effort to bolster the Crapistani military effort against Al Skeletor and the Shamalamadingdong, some American officials now acknowledge that there were too few controls over the money. The strategy to improve the Crapistani military, they said, needs to be somewhat revamped.

Money has been diverted to help finance cooking systems designed to counter curry, not El Kabong or the Minivan, the officials said, adding that the United States has paid tens of millions of dollars in inflated Crapistani reimbursement claims for fuel, hookers and ice makers.

18 "... including the worst leak in the I-93 tunnel in 2004, failing to remove debris that was trapped in and weakened the concrete."

Cool!  Much of the Three Gorges Dam's concrete was set up the same way.  Gonna be more than a leak.  Funny if it turns out China stole that technique from us.

19 LOL - Warden's sendup sounds like a smarter Tom in a more sober moment....but not now. Idiot

20 Frank,
Yeah, and at the rate of killing, there will be even less Iraqi children there for years to come.

You people are a laugh a minute...

21 asswipe:  the Iraqi children are PROTECTED by US troops. You're still on meme V4.2 where our troops were raping and killing children, cattle, and kites. Get with the program. Outside your parents' house when you were "growing up", was there a street sign: "Caution Slow Children"?

22 Tom, it is obvious that you have no where to be on Christmas. Now I know why you are so angry at everyone here.

23

I've been a Masshole for pretty much the entire duration of the the Big Dig.  It's been a mess and a cesspool and a ripe mark for shady contractors and all that, probably worse than what anyone says about it. 

Still, the Zakim bridge is phenomenal.  The funny thing about it is I don't even remember it being hyped very much.  There was this huge infrastructure project that was supposed to inconvenience us for a decade and relieve traffic for a year or something, and it was ok because we were going to fleece all of you people for 90% of the $10 or 12 bn it was going to cost, but nowhere do I remember anyone saying "and you're going to get a really cool bridge".  Then it sprang up and it really is a strikingly nice bridge.

Oh, and thank you.  You.  All you little people from the rest of the country who bought us this nice bride.  They light it up purple at night.  It's really quite nice.

 

 

24 Frank,
If you weren't such a right wing suckass you'd know that one hell of a lot more Iraqi children have died since we went in than ever before...and I never said anything about Americans killing them, we merely created the circumstances we have right now.

Instead of waving the flag and spouting jingoistic bullshit, why not take the time to actually read a few books on the subject.

That is, if you know how to read.

25 It is pretty cool looking.  Even with Godzilla approaching.

26

And don't forget the 6 quadrillion dollars in CASH that BushCo lost in Iraq when the CIA tried to plant weapons of mass destruction in the looted Iraqi museum before Udai and Gommorah got a chance to spill the beans about Karl Rove's affair with Angelina Jolie.

Merry Christmas everybody!

27 Red7,
Christmas has nothing to do with death in Iraq, asshole.

Using holidays to hide away from the facts of the matter is the coward's way out.

Oh, and by the way; today, while you and Frank were patting yourselves on the back and shoving turkey down your throats...separate Iraq bombings killed at least 35 and wounded dozens of innocent civilians.

28 BrewFan,
Still hanging onto that WMD bullshit, huh?

And you wonder why I think you're a fucking dolt?

29

And you wonder why I think you're a fucking dolt?

Actually I didn't wonder but now that you bring it up and I've pondered your opinion I think you should blow me.

30 I just want to wish Ace a merry Christmas.  Thank you for all the laughter your site has given me,

31 Boy, that Tom character sure is boring except when he's sucking the Barbed Cock of Satan.  Then he's our Employee of the Year.

32 separate Iraq bombings killed at least 35 and wounded dozens of innocent civilians

You however would abandon them to the tender mercies of the crew doing such things.  So your point is?

33 Purple,
They weren't doing it before we showed up...dumbfuck.

And do you think it's worth the 4,000 Americans who have died?

Or the 30,000 wounded?

Do you really?

34 Tom, all the babies born during the Bush II administration, guess what? They are all going to die.

I know. Shocking! But, yeah, they won't live forever.

Halliburton!

35 Satan,
Why are you and so many here so intrigued with sucking men's cocks?

Is it dark in that closet?

36 And do you think it's worth the 4,000 Americans who have died?

Or the 30,000 wounded?

Yes, of course it was worth it. Now STFD, STFU.

37 Vercingetorix,
And yet another moron rears his ugly, infantile head.

Good work.

38 Vercingetorix,
Be sure to pass that on to the families of the fallen and wounded.

I'm sure they'll all get a big kick out of it.

39 And yet another moron rears his ugly, infantile head.

Great comeback, jagoff. What next, I'm rubber, you're glue, bounces off of me and sticks to u? What are you, fucking seven?

40 I'm sure they'll all get a big kick out of it.

Everybody that served, raise their hand. Well, I've had my fun for nine years, but I see that you're still a pathetic jerk-off.

Of course, it was worth it, you dickhead. We're killing psychopathic nail-bombs-in-the-nursery firebomb-the-orphanage terrorists. That's why we join, fuckstain, not for the college fund, not for the 'job' or the travel, but to cut open the bellies of these assholes and bleed them dry.

41

  I've always liked that bridge style.  I've never practiced on the structural side, so the particular details of the design elude me, but the lines of those center post cable designs always give me a little tingle.  Now, if we could find a 600-foot tall Harpo Marx robot to sit on the bridge & play the cables like a harp, THAT would be cool!

  Oh yeah, and Tom's a douchnozzle, but I'm not saying anything that most of us here don't already know, right?

42 Fuck yes Gaul Chieftain.

Iraq body count, total, is 80,000. That's men, women, and children.
Which is roughly five months of life in Saddam Hussein's Iraq. Tom, you can oppose the war all you want. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but not to their own facts. The fact is the invasion of Iraq has saved lives, not taken them.

43

As far as that bridge... thing goes:

The only thing I can figure is that it's the feminist response to phallic symbols.

Qwinn

44 Vercingetorix,
Jingoistic bullshit.

As usual.

Fortunately about 70% of America isn't buying into it anymore.

Only the thick-skulled sycophants...and the fact that anyone served has no bearing on the consequences of our ill-advised actions.

45 Britt,
Show me any factual evidence that supports your 80,000 killed by Saddam over the ten year+ period BEFORE we went in.

He did his most damage killing the Kurds...and with our help.

All you're doing is spouting the same right wing bullshit that's been discredited for years on end.

46 Oh, my god, I can hardly catch, my breath. That is the funniest shit I've read in a minute. Tom, you absolute cretin, you are so fucking dumb, and you don't even get it.

Jingoistic bullshit.
Jingo, whatever, but not bullshit. Guess what, you absolute jackass, remember this...separate Iraq bombings killed at least 35 and wounded dozens of innocent civilians.

What genius wrote that? Guess twice, cuz its you! So who did that if not terrorist scum bags who would be better off filling assorted forensic sandwich bags? So if we are killing terrorists, that part cannot be BULLSHIT now, genius, fucking can it?

As usual.

Yes. Like clockwork, moron.

Fortunately about 70% of America isn't buying into it anymore.

Ain't selling it. Doesn't change Point Numero Uno, that WE ARE KILLING TERRORISTS, which warms my bleak soul. Do you know how many dead I want in this war? ALL OF THEM, ALL OF OUR ENEMIES. That could be one or two, could be millions, it's up to them.

Only the thick-skulled sycophants...and the fact that anyone served has no bearing on the consequences of our ill-advised actions.

But you were trying to get me all on the horns by sympathy with the dear departed. I know them. They would beat your ass with a beer bottle and then waterboard all of Sadr City, just for the kicks.

Kid, you are WAY out of your league. Go home.

47 He did his most damage killing the Kurds...and with our help.

Nope, we gave him NO help.

48

Tom is living in a fact-free world. Fuck him. Everyone else did...

49 Vermisilly,
Yeah, yeah, yeah...you're the big soldier-boy and you know exactly how everybody in the military feels.

Like I said; it's old news, jerkoff. Americans aren't buying into your brand of right wing neocon bullshit anymore.

Also:
The last time Donald Rumsfeld saw Saddam Hussein, he gave
him a cordial handshake. The date was almost 20 years ago,
Dec. 20, 1983; an official Iraqi television crew recorded the
historic moment.

Then the two men got down to business, talking about the need to
improve relations between their two countries.

Like most foreign-policy insiders, Rumsfeld was aware that
Saddam was a murderous thug who supported terrorists and was
trying to build a nuclear weapon. (The Israelis had already
bombed Iraq's nuclear reactor at Osirak.) But at the time,
America's big worry was Iran, not Iraq. The Reagan
administration feared that the Iranian revolutionaries who
had overthrown the shah (and taken hostage American diplomats
for 444 days in 1979-81) would overrun the Middle East and
its vital oilfields.

On the--theory that the enemy of my enemy is my friend, the
Reaganites were seeking to support Iraq in a long and bloody war
against Iran. The meeting between Rumsfeld and Saddam was
consequential: for the next five years, until Iran finally capitulated,
the United States backed Saddam's armies with military intelligence,
economic aid and covert supplies of munitions.

50 Frank,
If you have any evidence to refute what I've posted...let's see it.

Talk is cheap.

51 Vermisilly,& Frankie,

I forgot to add my source:
Congressional Record: September 20, 2002 (Senate)
Page S8987-S8998

52 Btw, Tom, don't put your tux on quite yet, because that 70% doesn't agree with YOU, either. Asked about how many want an immediate withdrawal, you don't even get a plurality.

Tom: 70% agree with me.
Verc: 'Bout what, cocknose?
Tom: Nobody likes the war!
Verc: I agree with you! Nobody likes war, except the murderers killing kids!
Tom: And they want an immediate withdrawal!
Public: (crickets, crickets, crickets)
Verc: Who wants that?
Tom: That's why the Demcong won back the House and Senate!
Public: (crickets, crickets, crickets)
Verc: Yeah, guess that's why the troops are already home, being the popular thing and all to do.

53 Vermisilly,
Cute, but where are your facts?

Talk is cheap.

54 The meeting between Rumsfeld and Saddam was
consequential: for the next five years, until Iran finally capitulated,
the United States backed Saddam's armies with military intelligence,
economic aid and covert supplies of munitions.

But what did you say, cocksucker?

He did his most damage killing the Kurds...and with our help.

So, diagramming the sentence, little Tommy, we get (Saddam killed alot of Kurds, with our help.)

Well, guess what you lowlife, Taliban enthusiast, we had no part of that.

And btw, since you never answered that bit when you enthusiastically endorsed negotiating with the Taliban and al Queda, exactly what parts of their agenda were you most eager to see advanced? Inquiring minds and all that.

55 Facts, bro, it's your point, you back it up. How many of that "70%" wants an immediate withdrawal?

56

2002? WTF?   LOL

57 The last time Donald Rumsfeld saw Saddam Hussein, he gave
him a cordial handshake. The date was almost 20 years ago,
Dec. 20, 1983; an official Iraqi television crew recorded the
historic moment.

OGM! HE SHOOK HIS FUCKING HAND!!111!

58 OGM! HE SHOOK HIS FUCKING HAND!!111!

I know, right? Maddy Albright watched the Norks put on one hell of a show. I guess the Dems get to hang the gulag north around their necks.

I banged Spanish chick once. Sorry about that Inquisition thing, chaps.

59 C'mon, you guys can't possibly be this uninformed or flat out stupid.

Have any of you ever actually read a book or article relating to Iraq or our involvement with Saddam? There are literally hundreds of reliable and factual sources for what I've posted.

You, on the other hand merely blather on with the same old right wing talking points we've heard for the last 7 years.

Read something and get back to me.

60 There are literally hundreds of reliable and factual sources for what I've posted.

Your point is that we were involved with gassing the Kurds. No. Your point, your burden. Prove it or fuck off. If there are literally hundreds etc etc etc, it should be pretty easy to prove, yes no?

And again, which Taliban positions were you hot-hot-HOTTT to get implemented during our negotiations?

61 The reason we dealt with him were because of the foreign policy "Realists." Their attitude is as long as he's our S.O.B.
That theory doesn't wash any more. It was time to remove him.
Murderous thugs should not feel safe anymore.

62 You're starving millions of kids, you don't really care about Saddam Hussein, you need to end the embargo now and free the Iraqi people so that . . .

Wha...?

You're oppressing the glorious people of Iraq, stop it! Stop fighting and . . .

63 Vermisilly: "... the United States backed Saddam's armies with military intelligence, economic aid and covert supplies of munitions."

What do you think? Slingshots?  Pellet guns?


P.S. harrison - Yeah, and things are sooooooo much better now.

Right.

64 4gDkY,
And yet another gutless fuck who won't even use his own name...whines about "leftists" being pussies.

Now that's pretty sad.

65 P.S. harrison - Yeah, and things are sooooooo much better now.

Right.

Actually they are. Saddam can't kill the Iraqi people anymore.
The foreign fighters who went to Iraq to attack the American troops are getting slaughtered and the Shiites and Sunnis are starting to pull together to rebuild their country.
It still has a long way to go but it has promise.

66 And you know what Rumsfeld was doing in '83?

He was being realistic. He and the people he was working for were accepting the realities of the situation and working with the people who were actually in power, and presumably representing their people.

Which is exactly what Tom wants to do. He wants us to bow to reality, to accept the situation on the ground, and work with that instead of interfering.

Rumsfeld was working for you in '83, Tom, working hard to implement the precise policy you espouse. Worked out for you, did it?

Regards,
Ric

67 Douchebag, Kurds, WMDs, you source it or you eat crow.

I already know the answer. Iraq had French fighters and delivery systems, had been developing CW agents for their forces since the 1970s, from riot control agents against Kurdish dissidents to the lethal stuff early on in the early 1980s.

The only option you have is to point out a possible link from the US to Iraq's CW program and you cannot, because there isn't one. All of our sales were dual purpose, and as such, if we SOLD chemical weapons to Iraq, then we also FOUND chemical weapons of the same type we sold after our invasion. They just weren't weaponized.

Neither option is a good one for you. So bone up on the crow already, dickhead.

68 Good point, Ric.

69 They just weren't weaponized.

For the idiot, neither the chemicals we sold or the chemicals we found were weaponized. Both ways, cannot have it.

70 Tom, I knew you had a stick up your ass, but I didn't know you didn't have any friends and family to see you through Christmas. I pity you. I genuinely mean that--I do.

71 AD,
Actually part of my family is sitting right next to me, asking me over and over again; are these real people? And if they are...did any of them ever attend high school? (Lots of laughing, too.)

Like I said before: All I keep getting are the same ridiculous right wing talking points that got us into Iraq in the first place.

*Oh, and Harrison, if you really think "the Shiites and Sunnis are starting to pull together to rebuild their country..." you need a newspaper subscription.

72 4gDkY,
And yet another gutless fuck who won't even use his own name...whines about "leftists" being pussies.

Stop impersonating me, dickwad, I did sign my own name

73 *Oh, and Harrison, if you really think "the Shiites and Sunnis are starting to pull together to rebuild their country..." you need a newspaper subscription.

Any suggestions?

74 Sure they are, Tom, sure they are... You have **lots** of friends and family, and you're really really popular Gotcha

75 Tom, read 'em and weep:

http://www.iraqbodycount.org/

Currently at 79,000 to 86,000 dead Iraqis. Which is a terrible terrible thing, but Saddam would kill 200,000 a year. So in four years, we've matched Saddam's total for six months or so of death. The invasion of Iraq has saved lives. More importantly, if the foreign jihadis would GTFO of Iraq and let us help our new ally, there would be no deaths. We are not interested in conquest, or in raping Iraq. We are interested in creating a new, stable, democratic country in a region that doesn't have any except for Israel. Oh, and yes, having a new friend to buy oil from who's a little more loyal, and a better ally then the fucking Saudis.

So let's lay this out again.
1. Less dead Iraqis then if Saddam had remained in power.
2. New democratic nation in the Middle East
3. New Ally for the US in the Middle East
4. New source of oil, which reduces our dependence on the Saudis.
5. Did I mention that Saddam won't be gassing, shooting, hanging, or otherwise butchering his people?

76 Tom, some reading for you:

Link 1

Link 2

Link 3

Link 4

Link 5

Honestly, you read newspapers? Why? I can get raw footage, and uncensored reporting from the combat zone. Why would you trust the media that had Jayson Blair, Stephen Class, Scott Thomas Beauchamp, and the fake Dan Rather memos? The NYT is not worth the paper it's printed on. They make three thousand corrections a year. Fact is, journalists, even with there oh so difficult little degree, have no idea what they are talking about. They never leave the Green Zone, and they rely on stringers for their news. Which leads to the respected media outlets running stories which are exaggerated or completely made up.

I'd like to call for civility in this thread. Tom is not evil, just stupid. We can prove him wrong without calling him names. Let's not sink down to the level of the Left. We're better then that.

77 That's Stephen Glass, not Stephen Class, my bad.

78 Actually part of my family is sitting right next to me, asking me over and over again; are these real people? And if they are...did any of them ever attend high school? (Lots of laughing, too.)

Sadly, that is more pathetic. It is a whole brood of losers.

Anways, unfinished business.

You said we helped Saddam gas the Kurds. Proof?
You said you wanted to negotiate with the Taliban, Al Qaeda (or whoever G.Bush is negotiating with, cuz we need a new direction!). Here, for the edification of your next-of-retards.

They must be so proud of you, TOM! Maybe one day your Deliverance cast can make complete asses BY THEMSELVES in front of the whole intratubes.

So fun time is over. Tom, play in traffic.

79 Britt says: "...Saddam would kill 200,000 a year..."

Really?

Can you show me any factual evidence that 200,000 Iraqis were being killed in ANY year between our Gulf War and 2003?

ANY YEAR.

Oh, and please provide one single form of legislation that has been agreed upon via the new and improved Shiite/Sunni "democracy" we've brought to Iraq.

JUST ONE.

80 Currently at 79,000 to 86,000 dead Iraqis. Which is a terrible terrible thing, but Saddam would kill 200,000 a year. So in four years, we've matched Saddam's total for six months or so of death. The invasion of Iraq has saved lives.

Sounds about right. You have the Mukhbarat, Saddam's Secret Police. You still had terrorism in Iraq even during Saddam's time. You had the embargo and when you didn't have the embargo, you had the gross incompetence of the Baathists to starve the folks. Then you had the wars and then you had the purges and then you had the genocides.

BTW, Tommy, you don't get to pick and choose an era of Saddam's rule any more than we get to say that Charles Manson--save for that unfortunate killing spree thingie--was actually a pretty cool cat, man. But we all have rough splotches, now, don't we?

81 Oh, and please provide one single form of legislation that has been agreed upon via the new and improved Shiite/Sunni "democracy" we've brought to Iraq.

It's not about what's happening (or not) at the top, it's what's happening out in the country. That's where these things are created. The gov't should (and will) follow the peoples will, not the other way around.

82 Vermisilly,
Hey, at least I have a family.

And there's not a "loser" in the bunch.

As for the Kurds, etc.

We provided intelligence (something you lack) and munitions (which would include chemicals).

Try Googling "did America help Saddam with the Kurds?" and then peruse some of the 93,000 referenced articles, books, sites, etc.

83 Oh, and I forgot about the Iraqi Constitution.
Silly me.

84 Vermisilly:

_{Where did those chemical and biological weapons come from?
March 26, 2003 3:13 PM}  
Where did those chemical and biological weapons come from?
”According to the December declaration, treated with much derision from the Bush administration, U.S. and Western companies played a key role in building Hussein's war machine. The 1,200-page document contains a list of Western corporations and countries -- as well as individuals -- that exported chemical and biological materials to Iraq in the past two decades.”

85 Harrison: "the Iraqi Constitution?"

Now THAT'S funny.

86 Tom, so what if we shipped them chemical weapons?
Does that make what we're doing now not a good thing?

87 Try Googling "did America help Saddam with the Kurds?" and then peruse some of the 93,000 referenced articles, books, sites, etc.

Prove it, that's all baby! Hey, sister, don't let me get in the way of your homework. Like I said, little lady, I've already done mine. Come on, baby girl, show you mine if you show me yours.

And I wish you and your clan of inbreds all the best this holiday season! Heh, no seriously, Merry X-Mas. Don't take this shit too seriously, bro. I mean, you're wrong, but screw it, you know. You got to watch out for that ego, bro!

88 Yeah, the family has nothing better to do than sit around a PC and watch you "debate" the morons, for hours on end.  I'm sure your New Year's Eve party will be even more exciting!!

Yet there's not a loser  in the bunch.

89 Why, yes. The Iraqi Constitution.

90

Tom -

Couldn't you even be bothered to google "Civilian Deaths under Saddam."

We'll accept apologies from you and "your family" for suggesting that Americans in Iraq have caused more deaths than Saddam did. By the way, what was supposed to be your point in making that claim?  That Americans are evil people bent on doing wrong to others in the world? Do you really believe that we as a nation do more harm to the world than good? Can you name another country that does more to benefit the people of the Earth?

By the way, you're a simple asshole. Do bother to do your research before you make stupid comments, OK? That's been the bitch against you all along. I really do think that you're someone's sockpuppet sent here just to annoy us.

 

 

 

 

91 Actually part of my family is sitting right next to me, asking me over and over again; are these real people?

You kids turn that computer off and go to bed!  I done told you Santa don't answer emails!

92 that exported chemical and biological materials to Iraq in the past two decades.”

BINGO!!! Good Gods, let it rain, let it rain!

Biological and chemical materials.

And guess what, jagoff. All that stuff we sent over there, well we found the same shit again when our inspectors rolled through after 2003. But remember, BOOSH lied.

Here's the thing, chief. We didn't ship off weaponized materials. Dual purpose down the list. Like those pre-cursors. And again, the US had a small fraction of the total arms business with Iraq. French and Russian equipment filled out his inventories. Sorry, bub, the facts don't agree with you here.

Which basically fucks you, because either we armed Iraq with CW agents (these "precursors") AND we found WMD stockpiles (those "precursors") in Iraq after 2003, or we didn't and didn't.

Anyways, have fun.

93 I see the Frogman still has this graphic up. America armed Saddam! In fact, the U.S. was number 11 on that list, providing about half as much as... Brazil?

And I see that Tom, like most Lefties, has ignored something about one of his favorite stories -- which is, when U.S. troops took over Abu Ghraib prison, they found documentation of over five thousand people who had been killed there, including four who had been buried in the dirt of the exercise yard so that their friends were forced to walk on them. Of course Tom wouldn't have any clue as to what that implies. He'll never understand why more Iraqis didn't Rise Up at the news of American atrocities at Abu Ghraib. The fact that people who've lost family members, hands, fingers, and genitals to the hilarious entertainments of the people he so admires were more impressed that the Americans prosecuted the perpetrators than they were at the ATROCITIES will never penetrate.

Those are your allies, Tom. Those are your heroes. People who bravely bomb markets and mosques because they're too chickenshit to tackle troops; people who kidnap babies, rig them with bombs, and hand them to politicians to kiss. People who hunt down torturers, and give them Government salaries, pensions, and bonuses for constructive activity. Lovely folks. Patriots! Freedom Fighters!

You'd join 'em if you could, wouldn't you, Tom? You and your laughing cheerful friends? You certainly cheer loudly enough when they succeed -- which makes you murderers and torturers by proxy.

Tell me, Tom, where were you on the evening of September 11, 2001? A bunch of us bedwetting rednecks were down at the local mosque, with our hunting rifles and bird guns pointed outwards. The imam's wife brought us tea. He's Sevener Shi'ia. Mean anything to you? Thought not. Your heroes and allies would love to kill him; he's had threats.

So tell you what, Tom: why don't you and your laughing coterié of murderers by proxy, and cowards who love torture so long as you don't have to dirty your own hands, just FOAD? You aren't informative, and you sure as Hell aren't funny. You're just a murderer and genocidist who's too delicate and cowardly to do your own dirty work.

And returning to the original topic of the post -- Congratulations to all Bostonians for putting one over on the rest of the country, and on finally getting your city back. If I need to go up there I'll still fly to Bangor and drive back, though.

Regards
Ric

94

Tom,

Can you show me any factual evidence that 200,000 Iraqis were being killed in ANY year between our Gulf War and 2003?

ANY YEAR.

Gee, that's a real tough one, Tommy.  Let's see, to make it slightly challenging, I'll restrict myself to sources that you would find credible.  That made it take me about 3 minutes.

Raid Juhi, chief investigative judge for the Iraqi court now trying Mr. Hussein in another case, said during a visit here on Saturday that the court had documentary evidence, and statements from witnesses, showing that at least 100,000 Shiites, and possibly 180,000, died in the 1991 repression.

And that doesn't count the Kurds killed in the same time frame during the rebellion.  Or the decimation of the Marsh Arabs, whose genocidal campaign by Saddam brought their population from 500,000 down to 20,000..

I'd bring my family over to point and laugh at your idiocy, but you've grown so boring by now.

Qwinn

95 Blah, blah, blah..

Same ol', same 'ol.

Give my regards to Rush, Sean, Bill, Ann, Michael, Glenn and the rest of your sources.

96 The 1,200-page document contains a list of Western corporations and countries -- as well as individuals -- that exported chemical and biological materials to Iraq in the past two decades.

It's worse than that, Tom.  There are stores popping up all over this country that sell chemical and biological materials over the counter!  Some of them 24 hours a day!

97 Last thing for those who still want to debate this retard and his CHUDs.
This link is to one of the source documents that documents Saddam's use of chemical agents during the Iran-Iraq war, which started out with CS gas (tear gas) in 1982, tabun and mustard gas in 1983-1984. Go ahead and search that website, Global Security, you'll find alot of actual documents, rather than regurgitated garbage a la SFGate.

For Tom's cyst of mongoloids--ouch, even I'm cringing after that, but fuck it--that's called 'primary sourcing.' After you kids get out of primary skool and on to Koledge, you might have to use some of that. Pay attention, kiddies.

98

Heh.  I provide a link to the NY Times answering Tom's question, and he responds with:  Give my regards to Rush, Sean, Bill, Ann, Michael, Glenn and the rest of your sources.

Who knew Rush was running the NY Times these days?

In Tom's mind, the only thing this will mean is that the NY Times is part of the "reich wing media".  It's hilarious.  Talk about "community based reality".

Qwinn

99 Blah, blah, blah..

Same ol', same 'ol.

Yeah, don't disappoint me and have an original thought, Tommy.

100 'Night, all.

101 Oh, and BTW, Tom, I see you've been reading polls again. I'd watch that, if I were you. It's habit forming.

I'm a Republican. I support the war in Iraq, and in general I support George Bush. But if you polled me and asked me if I thought Bush had done a good job as President, I would check the "NO" box, and if you asked if I thought the war had been properly prosecuted I would check the "NO" again, and with a right good will. And Zogby, or Rasmussen, or the rest of the DNC apologists, would lump me in that 70%, and you would cheer. Prematurely, because it's a damn lie.

I disapprove for reasons entirely different from those you have, reasons I see no way to believe you would or could ever appreciate. There are a lot of people around who think similarly. How do I know that? -- well, I watch and smile as Pelosi and Reid repeatedly fold when their bluff is called. I know why, too. The new Democrats who defeated Republicans and gave you your majority did not do so on platforms of defeatism and Blame America First, and when something like that comes up they start getting cards and letters, phone calls, emails, and personal visits from their constituents telling them in no uncertain terms not to go along. And they don't, and Nancy and Harry go down in flames again, and George Bush smiles. Actually, by now it's really getting to be the "smirk" you always accuse him of. Deservedly so.

So laugh, creep. Enjoy the murder, and cheer the bombers. Just be sure to keep your hands clean. Keeping your nose that high in the air makes the stink more noticeable.

Regards,
Ric

102 Maybe Massachusetts could give Bunker Hill to the rest of America since they aren't really using it anymore.

103 Good thing Tom is not a breeder.

104

Talk is cheap. 

And who would know better than me?

105 that the United States has paid tens of millions of dollars in inflated Crapistani reimbursement claims for fuel, hookers and ice makers.

The funny part? Tom seemed to think that was a bad thing.

I pay taxes and I demand my tax money go to getting soldiers rides to bordellos where they can have hookers and cold drinks. I mean, what's the problem?

Should they have to walk there or drink warm drinks when they get there? Jeez Tom, get your head out of your ass long enough to actually read what you write.

106 Actually part of my family is sitting right next to me, asking me over and over again; are these real people?

Huh.  I didn't know they made Real Dolls that could talk now.  Or maybe that's just a part of the overall delusional state Tom seems to live in 24/7.

So, now not only do his "employees" know just how much of a douche Tom is, he has now come out to  the rest of his supposed family.

Of course, I'm sure that a) this is not the first time Tom has come out to his family and b) his family was already aware that Tom was "special."

107

Actually part of my family is sitting right next to me, asking me over and over again; are these real people?
You obviously didn't understand.

They're so used to him talking to his "Real Doll 'friends that they're all excited he's actually talking to real people.

It's giving them hope that he's might be close to having some real, flesh and blood friends.

108 It's giving them hope that he's might be close to having some real, flesh and blood friends.

Tom have friends?  Talk about delusional! 

I can't imagine anyone voluntarily spending more than a few minutes with that pious, self-important, humorless, pseudo-intellectual, preening, pansy-assed little scold.

109 Qwinn,
The Gulf war ran from August of 1990 to February of 1991.

Are you telling me that, after we pushed Saddam back into his cage, he killed almost 200,000 people...and we never heard about it?

Bullshit...as usual.

110

I can't imagine anyone voluntarily spending more than a few minutes with that pious, self-important, humorless, pseudo-intellectual, preening, pansy-assed little scold.

Neither can his family, hence the disbelief that he's talking to real people and not Real Dolls.

111 Do any of you idiots ever post something that doesn't relate to ME??

Just look at a majority of the last 70 comments.

Good lord...get a fucking life...or at least post something that relates to something you know.

Oh, sorry...I forgot...that's a concept that would be difficult for most of you to grasp.

My bad...

P.S. Ric - I realize most here support Bush. But so what? You're part of that 30-35% of America that still h their heads up their asses...and you think that's GOOD?

112 Yes, mocking you and making jokes at your expense is the same as talking about  you.  Get over yourself, tommy-boy. 

Dance, monkey, dance.

113 Facts are useless. They can by used to prove anything that's even remotely true.

114

Are you telling me that, after we pushed Saddam back into his cage, he killed almost 200,000 people...and we never heard about it?

For fuck's sake, Tom, YES, he did.  And everyone on the planet but you heard about it.  After the Gulf War, there was a huge uprising in Iraq.  At one point the rebels controlled something like 15 out of 18 provinces.  Then Saddam brought in helilcopter gunships and tore the rebels apart.  To his shame, GHW Bush didn't bring in airpower to stop it anywhere except over the Kurdish areas.

That's a short synopsis, but I  can't believe you never heard of any of this.  Seriously, if you never heard of it, you're a -complete- moron.

Try googling "Iraq 1991 Uprising", if you think I'm making it up, and enjoy the 229,000 hits.  Jesus.

Qwinn

 

115

Veeshir: "I can't imagine anyone voluntarily spending more than a few minutes with that pious, self-important, humorless, pseudo-intellectual, preening, pansy-assed little scold."

And yet...here you are...joining the "pack."

Brilliant.

P.S. 7rKVk: And yet another chickenshit posting using my moniker. Gutless.

116 WideAss: And yet another posting about ME.

You people are hilarious.

Have you thought about getting together and writing a book about...ME?

Think about it.

First, you get someone who can actually read and write...a computer and a keyboard...

117 Quinn: Show me where 200,000 deaths appear in this report:

    The 1991 Uprising in Iraq And Its Aftermath

                           Copyright  June 1992 by Human Rights Watch

                                                Summary  

            Saddam Hussein's record of brutally suppressing even mild dissent is well-known.  When the March 1991 uprising confronted his regime with the most serious internal challenge it had ever faced, government forces responded with atrocities on a predictably massive scale.  The human rights repercussions continue to be felt throughout the country.

            In their attempts to retake cities, and after consolidating control, loyalist forces killed thousands of unarmed civilians by firing indiscriminately into residential areas; executing young people on the streets, in homes and in hospitals; rounding up suspects, especially young men, during house-to-house searches, and arresting them without charge or shooting them en masse; and using helicopters to attack unarmed civilians as they fled the cities.

            One year later, the fate of thousands of Kurds and Shi'a who were seized during the suppression of the uprising remains unknown.  While many are believed to be in detention, the government has provided little information about their location and legal status.

            The rebels also committed gross abuses during the uprising, summarily executing suspected members of the security forces, including many who were in custody.  Middle East Watch also condemns these abuses, though we note that they were not so systematic and sustained as those committed by the government.

            Over 100,000 Kurds and Shi'a who fled cities where the conflicts were particularly fierce remain displaced inside Iraq, and another 70,000 civilians are in refugee camps in Saudi Arabia, Turkey and Iran.  Despite the harsh life they lead in these camps or as displaced persons in rebel-held northern Iraq or in the southern marshes, they have not gone home because they are afraid or because their homes have been destroyed.

118 More and more Americans agree with ME:

Military family members share public's division on Iraq war, Bush Polls: Almost half say invasion was a mistake

By Gregg Zoroya
USA TODAY 

Close family members of U.S. troops are split on whether the Iraq invasion was a mistake, and 55% disapprove of President Bush's job performance, according to USA TODAY/Gallup Polls focusing on immediate relatives of servicemembers.

"They've maxed out on the troops. You've got guys who are over there on their fourth or fifth tours. It's ridiculous," says Jeanette Knowles, 40, of Mountain Home, Idaho, whose brother, Jeff, served a tour in Iraq with the Oregon National Guard.

Among Americans without military relatives, 59% say the invasion was a mistake, compared with 49% of immediate family members.

The data on close relatives of troops were gleaned from four national polls between Sept. 7 and Dec. 2. The polls identified 548 people as wives, children, parents, siblings, grandparents or a close in-law of a servicemember. Among them are 301 people whose loved ones served in Iraq or Afghanistan.

Among military families, 55% disapprove of Bush's performance compared with 64% of Americans without relatives in the service in the latest USA TODAY/Gallup Poll. Men in military families are more approving of Bush (47%) than female relatives (36%).

119 Quinn:  Relating to the 1991 "uprising" and how WE badly we felt about the horrible things that you're sooooooooooooo upset about:
U.S. non-intervention

The Iraqi survivors and American critics of the President George H.W. Bush say that the president encouraged the rebellion after halting American troops at Iraq's southern border with Kuwait at the end of the Persian Gulf war. Soon after the uprising began, fears of a disintegrating Iraq led the Administration to distance itself from the insurgents.

Officials downplayed the significance of the revolts and spelled out a policy of non-intervention in Iraq's internal affairs. Rear Admiral Mike McConnell , director of intelligence for the Joints Chiefs of Staff, acknowledged that "chaotic and spontaneous" uprisings were under way in thirteen Iraqi cities, but stated the Pentagon's view that Saddam would prevail because of the rebels' "lack of organization and leadership."

On the same day, Secretary of Defense, Dick Cheney said that "it would be very difficult for us to hold the coalition together for any particular course of action dealing with internal Iraqi politics, and I don't think, at this point, our writ extends to trying to move inside Iraq."

State Department spokesman Richard Boucher explained: "We don't think that outside powers should be interfering in the internal affairs of Iraq."

Consequently, U.S. occupation forces who were stationed only a few miles from Nasiriyah, Samawa and Basra did nothing to help the rebels who rose up in these cities.

120 Chew on that...

121 Tom, start your own blog.  That way you can talk about what you want to talk about all day long.  Meanwhile, we'll continue to mock and deride you for your stunning lack of anything remotely resembling intelligence and your complete and total lack of logic or reason.

Dance, monkey.  Dance.

122 What do these dead Iraqis have to do with the Big Dig?

123 Am I the only one posting anything about ME in the last hour?  What's wrong with ME?  Don't you people recognize the genuis in ME?  Why don't you people worship ME?  What do I have to do to get someone to let ME suck their taint?  Why don't people like ME?  Why did my parents disown ME?  Will ME ever get to sit at the big people's table?  Why isn't it all about ME?

124

I can understand Tom's frustrations.  He believes a large majority of the nation wants us to leave Iraq or believes it was a mistake and yet he knows we will not be leaving for quite some time and we continue to pass funding to keep it going and there is absolutely nothing he can do about.  That in combination with the obvious progress even the press or dems can't spin is driving him nuts.  Chew on that pussy boy. 

125 chew....pussy?

EWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW!!!!!!!!

Please, don't ever put those two words in the same sentence again.  Disgusting.  Seriously, you almost made me vomit in my mouth a little bit.

126

Tom:

So you think that the Human Rights Watch had open access to Iraq, and was able to determine the full extent of the massacre, as of 1992?  Brilliant, that is.  I guess the mass graves that were found after we went in - some of which are detailed in the NYT piece I first linked - don't add anything to the picture.  Or the documentary evidence collected by the new government.  What a non-profit was able to determine from outside the country in 1992 is all the evidence we need.

And yes, GHW Bush screwed the pooch on that one. He should've extended more aid to the rebels.  Of course, Democrats far and wide insisted on taking the non-action that he did.  But I agree he screwed up by listening to them, and it made our job more difficult in 2003.  But how is that relevant, other than proving that listening to Democrats is always a recipe for failure?  How does that change the fact that Saddam massacred 180,000 people?  Not counting his genocide of the Marsh Arabs.  You demanded we show a single year where he killed those kind of numbers, and I've shown it.  Time to move the goalposts again, eh?

Qwinn

127

What do these dead Iraqis have to do with the Big Dig?

I think it's because the Big Dig cost more, in dollars, than the Iraq war has to date.

Well, that, or people let our fanboi, Tom, derail the thread.

I'm not sure as I don't read his comments anymore, I just read the ones responding to his comments.

128 I see. I thought this Tom guy was just a spambot, regurgitating old, discredited Kos talking points. Now, it just seems that he wants to be loved. Maybe Ace should let Tom be one of the open bloggers. In the spirit of Christmas, or something.

Or maybe not.

129

# 128 ^ It could all be about ME?

There is a God.

130 Why is this already-multiply-banned asshole even allowed to post here?

131 Dr. Remulak,
Some of those who left Iraq are now living there.

132 It does sound more and more like Mike, the alcoholic dog-fucker every day, doesn't it?

133 131 Dr. Remulak,
Some of those who left Iraq are now living there.

BWAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Finally, the moron says something that's actually funny.  I only hope that was intentionally funny and that he isn't serious.  'Cause that would also be funny, but in a pathetically sad sort of way.

134 I notice no one has the guts or actual facts to refute anything I've posted.

Just the same old "ban him" because we don't agree with him or like what he has to say bullshit.

Instead of hiding behind fictitious monikers and whining about what I have to say, why not present an argument or rebuttal, using facts and evidence to shore up your points?

Quinn, Ves, Wiserbud and others have continually posted comments that I find to be distorted or flat out wrong, yet when confronted with counter arguments or actual references to sites and articles and investigations that prove they are incorrect, they resort to the usual whining about my "trolling" their hallowed site.

P.S. Dr. Know-It-All: Why not tell us exactly which of my comments fit into the category of what you refer to as;  "regurgitating old, discredited Kos talking points?" 

135 skdGQ,
Who are you and why are you ashamed to use your own moniker?

136 My postings: #117, 118, 119.

If they're not true, why hasn't anyone refuted them with facts or evidence?

P.S. Quinn: I love your comment; "And yes, GHW Bush screwed the pooch on that one." This after ranting and raving about 200,000 Iraqis being killed...as we allow Saddam to clean up any and all insurgencies that would allow the Iraqis to help us out...we stand by and literally watch.

And you refer to it as Bush "Screw(ing) the pooch."

How cute.

137 Quinn, Ves, Wiserbud and others have continually posted comments that I find to be distorted or flat out wrong, yet when confronted with counter arguments or actual references to sites and articles and investigations that prove they are incorrect, they resort to the usual whining about my "trolling" their hallowed site.

Ummm, wrong.   I, and many others, have posted evidence and links to information  that flatly proves you wrong on many occasions.   You ignored it then and you ignore it now.  In fact, look up, asshole.  There are links to information in  this very thread that you seemingly want to pretend don't exist.

You post your opinions like they are facts and  then get all pissy when people have the audacity to disagree with your fact-like information.  You continue to take discussions off topic, and then squirm like a little girl when you get called on it. 

That is why no one takes you seriously anymore and doesn't bother trying to engage you in discussions.  Not because you are scary smart, but because you are pathetically stupid and vapid.  Attempting to discuss anything with you is worthless.

So unpuff your girly little chest and dance for us like the monkey you are.  Truly, you mean nothing more to us than the shit we accidentally step in on a sidewalk, something that is annoying at best and, while difficult to ignore, does not enter our minds once it is easily disposed of.

138 Fine. You win. I don't have the energy or inclination to go hunting this stuff down for the five thousandth time. Happy now?

Good evening.

139 More for Quinn:

Uprising in Iraq may be slow because of U.S. inaction in 1991

By JASON EMBRY
COX NEWS SERVICE

WASHINGTON -- The success of allied efforts to win the trust of Shiite Muslims in Iraq could depend on how tightly those Shiites cling to memories of their failed revolt after the 1991 Gulf War.

Many analysts say the Iraqi skepticism traces back to the end of the 1991 war, when the Iraqi regime violently squashed uprisings among Shiites in southern Iraq, as well as Kurds in the north.

On Feb. 15, 1991, two weeks before the cease-fire that ended the Gulf War, President George H.W. Bush called on the Iraqi people to rebel. He made a similar appeal on March 1, two days after the liberation of Kuwait.

But U.S. officials quickly voiced concerns about Iran's support of the Shiite rebels. The United States had supported Iraq during its eight-year war with Iran in the 1980s, and anti-Saddam forces in Iran said the U.S. presence in southern Iraq was a "bitter insult" to Iraqis.

"I'm not sure whose side you'd want to be on," then-Defense Secretary Dick Cheney said as the uprisings began.

Delegates from two dozen Iraqi opposition groups appealed to the United States for help. But administration officials repeatedly said they would not involve U.S. troops in what they considered an internal matter for the Iraqi people.

Troops defending Saddam's regime used napalm, cluster bombs and Scud missiles to defeat the rebels, and Shiite mosques, cemeteries and religious schools were targeted for destruction, Iraqi expatriate Kanan Makiya wrote in "Cruelty and Silence: War, Tyranny, Uprising in the Arab World."

The death toll during the Shiite rebellion was estimated at 30,000, with tens of thousands more fleeing to Iran.

Rachel Bronson, director of Middle East Studies at the Council on Foreign Relations, a foreign-policy think tank, agreed that Bush's words implied U.S. support.

"They did rise up, and the administration got nervous because we didn't know who would take over," Bronson said.

140 Dr. Know-Nothing,
That's exactly what I thought I'd get back from you.

Talk is cheap.

141 Wiserbud says: "I, and many others, have posted evidence and links to information  that flatly proves you wrong on many occasions."

Really?

Show me where my points during this discussion have been proven wrong.

Whining about me or how I should be banned isn't a rebuttal, it's just that: WHINING.

142

I refuse to be ignored by you reichwing assholes just because I'm out there tossing salads.  I like maple syrup.

143 Congrats. How do you plan to celebrate your victory?

144 And there you go.

Absolutely no factual rebuttals to anything I've posted.

Just a continuous W-H-I-N-E...from the pack.

As usual.

145 Tom, why do you attack people who post anonymously as cowards when you, yourself have posted under the names mike, jersey, geno, and mary?

146

Somebody say something nice about ME.  I know you all love ME.

147 I'm Tom dammit.  Stop using MY name!

148 I guess our little refresh monkey doesn't want to answer that particular question.  That's ok.  I'll ask him in the next thread that he befouls.

149

Once again, Tom pulls out "estimates" of those killed by Saddam that predate our going there and counting the bodies in mass graves, or the testimony of his victims.  Doesn't it even slightly bother you that you continually actively seek to give Saddam Hussein the benefit of the doubt?  I mean, I know you despise your fellow conservative Americans, but doesn't shilling for Saddam Hussein by trying to use obsolete estimates that were based on complete guesswork as opposed to actual body counts cross any lines, even for you?

And dude, if you think what Bush did was so horrific that "screwing the pooch" is too big a euphemism for it, doesn't that apply to the countless Democrats as well who counselled him to take the exact course he did take?  And how can you be continually opposed to taking out Saddam, then get self-righteous at GHW Bush for -not- helping take him out?  Does your head explode from all the cognitive dissonance?

Qwinn

150 Warden,
I don't post under other people's names who are commenting or discussing on any specific threads. If I don't like what you say or disagree, I at least have the guts to address you via your moniker or user name.

If you've got something to say to me, say it using your own fucking name or take a hike. (And please, don't give me the bullshit that others don't use different monikers on various blogs.)

Ushie, there you go again. Another high pitched WHINE about ME.

Got something to say? Use your own moniker and say it.

*Oh, and I notice no one has ever provided any facts or evidence to refute what I've posted. Gutless.

Otherwise, fuck off.

151 Tom, you are a liar. You are the same person who posted under the name "mike" this summer. 

So, why didn't you graduate from business school anyway?

152 I don't post under other people's names who are commenting or discussing on any specific threads.

Oh.  I see.  You don't post under other people's names.

Did you post under mike, geno, jersey or mary?  Yes or no, Tom.

153 Quinn,
The claim that 100's of thousands of bodies have ever been found in mass graves has been highly disputed by any number of investigative agencies, including the British, who say Blair's claim of 400,000 has never been verified, with only about 5,000 bodies actually recovered.

Also, may of the dead Iraqis were killed during the Iraqi-Iranian conflict, with estimates ranging from 300,000 - 500,000 dead on each side.

According to Iraqi public sources, the number of persons missing since the Iraq-Iran war ranges from 375,000 to 1,000,000. This reflects two main facts: The number of persons unaccounted for remains too difficult to estimate with any accuracy ;

Even if the minimum of 375,000 missing persons is correct, it reflects the scope of this unsolved tragedy faced by both families and missing persons. For each missing person there is not only one person suffering but there are whole families who wait for information or the return of their loved ones. (Something we should take into consideration right now...as Iraqis continue to be killed every day of the week and blame America.)
With the daily violence currently inflicted on the lives of Iraqis, tens of bodies are found every day, while countless persons go missing. While some of the bodies found can be identified, others cannot. According to official sources in Iraq, from 2006 until June 2007 some 20,000 bodies were brought to the Medical-Legal Institute in Baghdad (MLI).

154 A simple answer will do, Tom. Then you can go have a cocktail on the beach.

155

"According to official sources in Iraq, from 2006 until June 2007 some 20,000 bodies were brought to the Medical-Legal Institute in Baghdad (MLI)."

Ooooh.  You -bolded- it!  That's awesome!  It must mean something!  What the fuck it means, though, I have no idea.  What the hell does the number of bodies discovered from 2006 to 2007 have to do with anything?  Do you think they didn't find any bodies from 2003-2005?  What a bloody moron.

And thank you for pointing out that many estimates range much higher than the Iraq government's 180,000 estimate.

Qwinn

156 My God he's still at this?

You realize he essentially spent Christmas evening until right now parked in front of a computer?

Tom, you get mocked (among other things) because of a need to turn a topic that's not even remotely related into a discussion of Bush and Iraq - It's not like you feel any need to stay on topic, so there's no reason to blame anybody else for not arguing over whatever's going through your head at the moment or to spend time here crying about name calling and civility when you insist on acting like you have a stick up your ass the size of a yule log.

(Do you?  My apologies if you actually do. That was insensitive of me...)

It's pathetic.  It really is.  You have no life, you have no friends - I want to jump in this thread, but it's really sad.  I just can't work up the initiative to do it.

157

Oh, and look:  Tom makes the claim that "only about 5000 bodies actually recovered", then later on in his own post, he says 20,000 bodies have been discovered since 2006 alone.

Too freaking funny.

Qwinn

158

Just the same old "ban him" because we don't agree with him or like what he has to say bullshit.

No, more like "troll's already been banned more than once for being a worthless leftist cockknocker and using several different sockpuppet identities."

159 Warden,
Right now, on this specific blog, I post under the name "Tom."

I may have used another name earlier on this blog, but if I did it had to be quite some time ago, and I don't understand how that relates to this discussion. (I'm also amazed that anyone would give a flying fuck. I could care less if you post under 50 different monikers, as long as they're not the same as others on the same blog or thread...which I find gutless at best. (And I also find it hard to believe you don't know that others also post under different names on different blogs...for a variety of reasons.)

Have I ever engaged you or anyone else here, using their monikers to make inane points or to disparage them with silly "cock" comments, etc.? Would you care if I started posting on other blogs using your moniker?

*As for business school, I have no fucking idea what you're talking about. I attended and graduated from an excellent Midwestern university and majored in business and marketing.

160 Qwinn,

No use arguing with "Tom".  He's the same troll who made a complete jackass out of himself here earlier this summer.  His brand of stupid creates a unique imprint that is impossible to hide.  No matter how hard he tries, he just isn't smart or creative enough to write in a manner that disguises who he his.

Get it all in as quickly as possible, Tom/Mike/MaryJersey/Geno.  I'm going to have you banned very soon. Oh, and Merry Christmas!

161 Qwinn,
Re-read the post.

"The claim that 100's of thousands of bodies have ever been found in mass graves has been highly disputed by any number of investigative agencies, including the British, who say Blair's claim of 400,000 has never been verified, with only about 5,000 bodies actually recovered."

Reading comprehension...think about it.

162 Warden,
You idiots actually concern yourself with something someone may have said 6-8 months ago?

You hold on to it that long?

You REALLY need to get a fucking life, Dude.

163

And yeah, as for the sockpuppet thing, one of the funniest things I've read was Tom berating people for not using their "real names".  That makes them cowards.  Because, you know, posting as "Tom" is incredibly brave, why, that's not anonymous at all, there's only like 3 Toms in the whole country and he's posting as his real self knowing that Dick Cheney's stormtroopers will zero in on "Tom" like a laser and take out his whole family.

It's pure entertainment, it is.

Qwinn

164 Tom/Mike/Mary/Geno/Jersey

Ace banned you.  Don't act as though you don't remember, you worm.

As far as getting a life - I'm not the one who sits around a computer with my family trolling a website on Christmas.  God, I hope you made that up.  Otherwise, you're the biggest pack of losers in America.

165

"Reading comprehension...think about it."

I did.  So what?  You brought out the claim - whoever's, it's irrelevant - that 5000 bodies had been recovered.  Then later on in the same post, you discredit that claim by repeating another claim that counts 20,000 since 2006 alone.  Who the fuck cares that some unidentified asshat in Britain made that point?  You yourself discredited it.  And you don't even realize how utterly stupid that makes you look.  And then you claim -we- lack reading comprehension.  It's hilarious.

Qwinn

166 Qwinn,
Didn't I start my post out with this?

"The claim that 100's of thousands of bodies have ever been found in mass graves has been highly disputed by any number of investigative agencies..."

I realize you want to argue the point, but what I posted should be fairly clear.

There are all kinds of reports, from all kinds of people.

P.S. Warden, I visit many blogs, left and right. If I was banned here, so be it. And if I'm banned again...I won't lose a moment of sleep over it.

Why? Because it's a blog...PERIOD.

And anyway...what the fuck is your point???? Why do you care?? And why haven't you had the fucking guts to address what I asked you about others using various names/monikers on various blogs?  Are you daft??? Do you really think I'm the only person on the internet who uses a variety of monikers??

Really??

167

P.S. Warden, I visit many blogs, left and right. If I was banned here, so be it.

 You posted here dozens of times every day for months on end.

You don't remember?

Liar. 

It's ok. I know you that you don't have enough character to be ashamed at your cowardly dishonesty.

This thread seems to be making you angry.  Isn't trolling supposed to be fun?  Maybe I'm doing a favor by having you banned.  You're welcome, Tom. 

168

Tom, if you're too emotional to continue, then maybe someone in your family  could jump in and relieve you.  Don't they all gather round while you post?

Just high-five your fat wife and let her squeeze in.

169 Quit threadjacking, Tom.  Or your posts might begin to disappear.

And we wouldn't want all that "hard work" to go to waste, would we?

170

Qwinn,
Didn't I start my post out with this?

"The claim that 100's of thousands of bodies have ever been found in mass graves has been highly disputed by any number of investigative agencies..."

I realize you want to argue the point, but what I posted should be fairly clear.

There are all kinds of reports, from all kinds of people.

And you keep bringing up ones that I don't even have to discredit, because you do it for me.  Or, you bring up ones that were estimates made by people with no access to Iraq or the mass graves that've been found since the invasion.  The Iraq government says they have documentary proof of at least 100,000, with the real number probably closer to 180,000. 

Now, it's extremely clear that you'd like us all to extend Saddam an infinite benefit of the doubt while holding his victims in the highest suspicion, but that only says something about you, it doesn't change the facts or which body counts have the most actual evidence behind them at all..

Qwinn

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Ace promised us a good night of robust banning. What happened with that?

172 "The claim that 100's of thousands of bodies have ever been found in mass graves has been highly disputed by any number of investigative agencies..."

Hey, guys, Saddam wasn't really all that bad, now was he? SEE? I mean W is worse, actually.

Blech. What a filthy piece of gutter trash this "Tom" is.

173 Tom, if you're too emotional to continue

He feels the blade against the back of his neck....

It is all so familiar -  the constant reference to polls, the short emotional fuse, the constant whining and going off-topic, only to childishly complain later that no one dares to debate with his big brain, the unwarranted superiority complex.....

Yep, it's Mike.  Gee , for something that supposedly cares so little whether it is banned or not, it sure does seem to have some sad, almost fanatical determination to be here.  Like that annoying little freshman who just needed to hang with the big kids.

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There, I fixed that, because it isn't about tunnels, bridges, or dead Iraqis at all...It is about meeeee! Me, me, me. There should be a 24-hour cable channel to document my brilliant Google skillz, my stoopendous intellect, and my carefully-crafted logick. Word up, my bruthas. "Tom" is my brand, I I *am* the man. Cocksure? Why sure I am, but why be a h8ter, when you can be a fan of the Tominator? Love me, relish me, admire me...DREAM of me, babydolls! I've got to go Windex all of the glossy surfaces in my basement so I can catch those scintillating glimpses of my Under-Roo clad goodness. Toodles!

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