Going for the Jugular

I guess Lois Davidson wasn't kidding about doing whatever it takes to defeat Mike Huckabee. No idea whether this is running in Iowa or if it's a web-only ad, but it personalizes the one issue that has the most potential to end the Huckabee candidacy.

Update - The source of the ad has been identified.

Posted by: Slublog at 01:51 PM

Comments

1 The comments, they are the disappeared.

Posted by: Entropy at December 13, 2007 10:33 AM (m6c4H)

2 Slu, Huck's director of research just emailed to say "No, no, no. You got it all wrong. Here's what Mike really meant. You see, the governor has no role in paro----aww fuck it. We're toast."

Posted by: Cuffy Meigs at December 13, 2007 10:38 AM (uOvAE)

3 I'm terribly sorry for Lois Davidson. It's come to the point that my primary vote has become almost as much a vote against Huckabee as it will be for...whoever I end up voting for.

Posted by: Rocketeer at December 13, 2007 10:40 AM (GFaLW)

4 That's it, right there. If it isn't running in Iowa - it damned sure should be.

Posted by: Bruce at December 13, 2007 10:40 AM (2q+Ss)

5 Even more effective than the Willie Horton ad. And the man is white, too.

Posted by: Attila (Pillage Idiot) at December 13, 2007 10:53 AM (REXOp)

I'd do the same thing. And I'd call every single news network in the state of Iowa over and over again until somebody agreed to interview me too. Maybe she did the latter and nobody would give her air time, thus she made the ad.

You go mom. That monster hurt and killed your little girl. No, it doesn't matter that she was a grown woman at the time. That is still this mother's little girl.

Posted by: funky chicken at December 13, 2007 10:56 AM (I+jPP)

7 She's a very nice lady. I'd have killed him.

Posted by: Retired (Not Gay) at December 13, 2007 10:58 AM (k5JzA)

8 Huckleberry needs to go bye bye now.

Posted by: mbruce at December 13, 2007 11:00 AM (CxNJy)

9 That's gonna leave a mark.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 13, 2007 11:01 AM (t+mja)

10 I think it would be more effective if they had tied to to the broader issue and used those statements of Democrats who wanted him to be harder on criminals. His supporters can say this was one terrible mistake, but it isn't. It's exactly what happens if you let a whole bunch of criminals go free.

Posted by: MamaAJ at December 13, 2007 11:06 AM (X6Zdh)

11 It doesn't have any funding ID, so I don't think it's FEC compliant. It must be a web only thing.

That said, if they take it to TV...Alan Keyes will poll higher than Huckabee. And rightfully so.

Posted by: DrewM. at December 13, 2007 11:08 AM (hlYel)

12 I say nuke him from orbit, for the certainty and all.

Or, de-heart Huckabee, Magua style.

But going for the jugular is ok by me.

Posted by: SarahW at December 13, 2007 11:10 AM (twVOg)

13 Just get it over with.

Posted by: SarahW at December 13, 2007 11:14 AM (twVOg)

14 lets face the fact, this is what happens when evangelicals get into positions of authority. They are fanatics, this manica 'finds christ' in prison, or more likely pretends to because he knows it will help, and huck goes crazy to let him out. Crap like this is one of the many reasons why i regret that Bush was the inly option in 2004, things like appointing Ashcroft, Miers, etc....

Posted by: Thatguy at December 13, 2007 11:17 AM (hmRGz)

15 Fact . . . Huckabee is directly responsible for the death of that woman.

Posted by: rplat at December 13, 2007 11:19 AM (bc+C+)

I am not absolutely sure about the denomination Huckabee belongs to but I do know that some Baptist denominations derive from the Calvinist tradition. If Huckabee belongs to one of those then his claim of acting from Christian charity is a hoot. In that belief system it doesn't matter what good works you do on earth God essentially choses by random those who will ascend to heaven. In AoS lifestyle terms he is up there with a big d20 rolling saving throws against an eternity in hellfire for everyone ever born or who ever will be born:

Calvinism stresses the complete ruin of man's ethical nature against a backdrop of the sovereign grace of God in salvation. It teaches that fallen humanity is morally and spiritually unable to follow God or escape their condemnation before him and that only by divine intervention in which God must change their unwilling hearts can people be turned from rebellion to willing obedience.

In this view, all people are entirely at the mercy of God, who would be just in condemning all people for their sins but who has chosen to be merciful to some. One person is saved while another is condemned, not because of a foreseen willingness, faith, or any other virtue in the first person, but because God sovereignly chose to have mercy on him. Although the person must believe the gospel and respond to be saved, this obedience of faith is God's gift, and thus God completely and sovereignly accomplishes the salvation of sinners. Views of predestination to damnation (the doctrine of reprobation) are less uniform than is the view of predestination to salvation (the doctrine of election) among self-described Calvinists (see Supralapsarianism and Infralapsarianism).

Posted by: chad at December 13, 2007 11:21 AM (lNQg8)

17 Most Baptists are not Calvinists although many Iowans are. Now can we get back to politics. This obsessive religion talk is going to ruin the GOP.

Posted by: Fred at December 13, 2007 11:31 AM (ywDRa)

Everytime Huckabee opens his mouth, this is what I hear.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 13, 2007 11:37 AM (t+mja)

Good ad, but not great. It looks like an isolated, although tragic, incident. I think Huck is a terrible candidate, but even I find myself thinking it's irresponsible to hold Huck accountable for the actions of someone else.

But if you tie this into statistics showing how many other people he released, then it's no longer an isolated, tragic incident. It's an increasingly-probable result of gross negligence and malfeasance in office. Show us more faces, more mothers who lost their daughters, the letter where Huckabee simply laughed at a prosecutor who demanded to know why a vicious killer was offered clemency.

That's the jugular.

Posted by: Sobek at December 13, 2007 11:41 AM (dmsUZ)

20 This is a devastating ad precisely because it does not tie to statistics or anything else that takes the focus off the tragedy of this young woman's murder and Huckabee's role in having her murderer released.

It is not at all difficult to hold Huckabee responsible for the murder any more than it would be to hold someone accountable for the result of their letting a vicious dog run loose through a playground full of children. He was the but-for cause of the murderer's release and is responsible for what resulted.

Posted by: Conservative Chris at December 13, 2007 12:01 PM (spt0a)

21 Oh, there's nothing halfway About the Iowa way to treat you, When we treat you Which we may not do at all. There's an Iowa kind of special Chip-on-the-shoulder attitude. We've never been without. That we recall. We can be cold As our falling thermometers in December If you ask about our weather in July. And we're so by God stubborn We could stand touchin' noses For a week at a time And never see eye-to-eye. But what the heck, you're welcome, Join us at the picnic. You can eat your fill Of all the food you bring yourself. You really ought to give Iowa a try. Provided you are contrary, We can be cold As our falling thermometer in December If you ask about our weather in July. And we're so by God stubborn We can stand touchin' noses For a week at a time And never see eye-to-eye. But we'll give you our shirt And a back to go with it If your crops should happen to die.

Posted by: Techie at December 13, 2007 12:15 PM (AV8Z6)

22 So, this guy has a jailhouse conversion and he is saved and born again, again. The minister involved is very pleased, this is his life's work: redemption, conversion, Jesus saves - confirmation of everything he has been trained to believe. So the Huckster commutes the guy, ignoring legal advice, staff objections, 8 other rape victims and the ghost of Jim Baker. And to think this only happened 1300 times.

Posted by: Robert at December 13, 2007 12:18 PM (Rb4Qc)

23 This shows how egocentric and selfish Huckabee is.
He made himself feel better by circumventing justice, and surprise! some innocent little girl who doesn't live behind a state police protection squad paid the price.

Posted by: Potosi Joel at December 13, 2007 12:39 PM (TPRbZ)

24 True enough for me. It does need a little more at the end. Like how many more felons are out there because of Huckster. Little trailers on the bottom of the screen with repeat offenders names and crimes. Or an ending with "would he commute the 9-11 hi-jackers if they converted?". And let that hang in the air, and on him like a blanket of death. I'm a moron though. I'd just kick him in the balls, punch him in the face, look down at him and say "Holy shit! I just found Jesus laying right next to you on the sidewalk". "Forgive my sins dear Lord, oh and Mike, sign this civil claims release form, prepared letter of intent not to aid in my prosecution and the co-signer on a loan for a new "Vette". Lois, call me babe. No don't thank me.

Posted by: hutch1200 at December 13, 2007 12:42 PM (yVX0e)

25 True enough for me. It does need a little more at the end. Like how many more felons are out there because of Huckster. Little trailers on the bottom of the screen with repeat offenders names and crimes. Or an ending with "would he commute the 9-11 hi-jackers if they converted?". And let that hang in the air, and on him like a blanket of death. I'm a moron though. I'd just kick him in the balls, punch him in the face, look down at him and say "Holy shit! I just found Jesus laying right next to you on the sidewalk". "Forgive my sins dear Lord, oh and Mike, sign this civil claims release form, prepared letter of intent not to aid in my prosecution and the co-signer on a loan for a new "Vette". Lois, call me babe. No, don't thank me.

Posted by: hutch1200 at December 13, 2007 12:42 PM (yVX0e)

26 What we really need is a chart of all of Huck's clemencies, divided into columns by Murderers, Rapists, and Drug Dealers.

That would be a damning little tail on the end of a TV ad.

Posted by: DoDoGuRu at December 13, 2007 12:47 PM (72nfo)

27 I'm curious to see how this particular ad affects poll numbers. I would have done an ad that focused on several of his more egregious parole releases, but less in depth, to give the sense of how common this is. Going in depth on just one case seems to appeal to emotion, which always seems the weaker argument to me. Might play well with Iowa voters, though.

Posted by: Grimaldi at December 13, 2007 12:51 PM (mY2ux)

28 I ♥ Huckabee! He reminds me of my first trick boyfriend fisting date.

Posted by: tOm at December 13, 2007 12:55 PM (wWwJR)

29 DoDo and Petosi are absolutely correct. Huck is a pompous, self (not God) serving ass. Shitty leader of a shitty state that exports slick-ass, bible thumping, ego maniac, con men, he was good at. Gods' right hand man.....not really. Mass mailing would work. Nice little 3 panel fold out would work. Eh, DoDo?

Posted by: hutch1200 at December 13, 2007 12:55 PM (yVX0e)

30 I could see it all in his face first time I layed eyes on Huckabee.

Posted by: ricpic at December 13, 2007 01:02 PM (VCgen)

31 thatguy, fuck off. the vast majority of Xtians don't think that Christian Charity requires throwing open prison doors for every con smart enough to pull the jailhouse conversion.

Posted by: funky chicken at December 13, 2007 01:03 PM (I+jPP)

thatguy, you are an idiot and Christian basher.

extrapolating from the huckster to "all evangelicals" when he's not even one is a bit much.

and I'm not exactly a strong supporter of evangelical "leaders" like Dobson, Weyrich and the rest of their ilk.

Posted by: funky chicken at December 13, 2007 01:05 PM (I+jPP)

oops sorry about the double redundant posts. i got the error message

Posted by: funky chicken at December 13, 2007 01:07 PM (I+jPP)

34 People have got to be jacking with the pollsters. Thay just have to be. Maybe because his name sounds funny or something. Or maybe the pollsters are just jacking with us. This is just craziness. Who the fuck wants this guy in the W.H.?

Posted by: Eleven at December 13, 2007 01:28 PM (7DB+a)

35 If this Christmas Card from the White House is any indication, George and Laura are in the Huckster's corner:

The Christmas card from the White House is the most religious White House Christmas card in memory. The card included explicit religious references beyond just a bible verse.

The card features a verse from Nehemiah (Old Testament, it should be noted):

You alone are the LORD.
You made the heavens, even the highest heavens,
and all their starry host, the earth and all that is on it,
the seas and all that is in them.
You give life to everything,
and the multitudes of heaven worship you.
NEHEMIAH 9:6 (NIV)

But whereas in previous years the President and the First Lady opted for messages of happinss, goodwill, and peace, this year featured the following closer:

May the joy of all creation fill your heart this blessed season 2007.

It is then signed by both George and Laura Bush.

Posted by: Tom at December 13, 2007 01:51 PM (1kwK7)

36 It's crazy shit like this that got me off the organized Christianity bandwagon about twenty years ago.

Posted by: SGT Dan at December 13, 2007 01:51 PM (jCQ+I)

37 Ouch. That's gonna leave a mark. I hope.

That right there is the nail in the coffin for me (not that I needed it). I cannot imagine why on earth he'd parole a guy who raped a 17 year-old girl 25 years early. Not even 25 days early. I'll bet that POS had a (fake) jailhouse "conversion" like so many others who want to get out of prison and Huckabee loved to forgive a good (fake) Christian.

Sorry, Huck, that's up to God to forgive that monster, not you.

I honestly cannot see how anyone can defend this, not even the most die-hard Hucksters. I could understand commuting a death sentence for moral reasons--I might not agree with it, but I understand it--but letting a rapist out on the streets? NO.

Posted by: Beth at December 13, 2007 01:53 PM (yqiXY)

38 I don't think the ad will do squat...for now.

Right now Huckabee is riding the wave of the far right Christians in specific states that are very conservative to begin with and love his message of faith.

He should do well in not only Iowa, South Carolina and some of the other hard core bible belt states, but...once he's outside that bubble, I think he's in trouble.

Most people in America right now are more concerned with the economy and keeping their lives in order.

Posted by: Tom at December 13, 2007 01:56 PM (1kwK7)

39 Posted by: Tom at December 13, 2007 01:51 PM (1kwK7)

The Bushes have put a verse in their Christmas cards for years. Nothing new there.

Posted by: Slublog at December 13, 2007 01:57 PM (R8+nJ)

40 I honestly cannot see how anyone can defend this, not even the most die-hard Hucksters. I could understand commuting a death sentence for moral reasons--I might not agree with it, but I understand it--but letting a rapist out on the streets? NO.

Check out the Hot Air thread on this story. Defenders and people whining about how unfair this is. Here's a taste:

Huck is not responsible for this murderer. Huck did not kill the girl.
infidel on December 13, 2007 at 12:22 PM

Posted by: Slublog at December 13, 2007 02:00 PM (R8+nJ)

41 Slub,
RELAX...I didn't say the current residents didn't send out similar cards, but this one i different.

I merely posted what went out THIS year.

P.S. Sgt Dan: You got that right.

Posted by: Tom at December 13, 2007 02:01 PM (1kwK7)

42 The real problem the Huckster has with this
is the fact that he continues to DENY (lie about?) having anything to do with the release.

There are a number of people who were there at the time who remember things differently and have said so.

Isn't there a commandment relating to this kind of behavior?

Posted by: Tom at December 13, 2007 02:05 PM (1kwK7)

43 Yeah, I believe it now, Slu--there are similar comments here at YouTube where he's "explaining" the Dumond situation.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ubuq2KZIHfo

Sorry, no explanation for this. I don't care if he was an "exemplary" prisoner at all--you serve your time. Period. It's your job to be an exemplary prisoner.

Posted by: Beth at December 13, 2007 02:08 PM (yqiXY)

44 Check out the Hot Air thread on this story. Defenders and people whining about how unfair this is.

Yet another reason why I can't stand the comments over there.

Posted by: Beth at December 13, 2007 02:13 PM (yqiXY)

45 Leave it up to the Tomtard to hijack a thread about Huckabee's crappy actions as governor and turn it towards how crazy the Bushes and other Christians are.

Come on, Tommy! Don't you have house to go haunt or something?

Posted by: Log Cabin at December 13, 2007 02:15 PM (j7zrD)

46 People who point out Huckabees and others as the reason they are "put off" by Christianity are the sloppiest sort of thinkers.

I heard somewhere that there is a resource where they can read all about Christianity and decide for themselves whether or not it is for them.

Posted by: Conservative Chris at December 13, 2007 02:16 PM (YtLsm)

47 RELAX...I didn't say the current residents didn't send out similar cards, but this one i different.

Relax? What's with relax? I'm just pointing out facts that contradict your claim that this year's card "is the most religious White House Christmas card in memory."

If I remember correctly, the Christmas 2001 card was quite explicitly religious as well.

Posted by: Slublog at December 13, 2007 02:18 PM (R8+nJ)

48 Tom, the Bush's are obviously very retro with their Harry Truman-style religious Christmas Greeting Cards.

Posted by: Joanie at December 13, 2007 02:34 PM (Z9tCp)

49 Isn't there a commandment relating to this kind of behavior?

No.

First of all, the "Commandment" you are thinking of is "bearing false witness against one's neighbor", a specific and contemptible act.

Second, those aren't the real Ten Commandments.

Every Decalogue you see � from the 5,000-pound granite behemoth inside the Alabama State Judicial Building to the little wallet-cards sold at Christian bookstores � is bogus. Simply reading the Bible will prove this. Getting out your King James version, turn to Exodus 20:2-17. You'll see the familiar list of rules about having no other gods, honoring your parents, not killing or coveting, and so on. At this point, though, Moses is just repeating to the people what God told him on Mount Si'nai. These are not written down in any form.

Later, Moses goes back to the Mount, where God gives him two "tables of stone" with rules written on them (Exodus 31:1

. But when Moses comes down the mountain lugging his load, he sees the people worshiping a statue of a calf, causing him to throw a tantrum and smash the tablets on the ground (Exodus 32:19).

In neither of these cases does the Bible refer to "commandments." In the first instance, they are "words" which "God spake," while the tablets contain "testimony." It is only when Moses goes back for new tablets that we see the phrase "ten commandments" (Exodus 34:2

. In an interesting turn of events, the commandments on these tablets are significantly different than the ten rules Moses recited for the people, meaning that either Moses' memory is faulty or God changed his mind.

The real "Ten Commandments" as handed down by the LORD unto Moses (and plainly listed in Exodus 34:13-2

:

I. Thou shalt worship no other god.
II. Thou shalt make thee no molten gods.
III.. The feast of unleavened bread thou shalt keep
IV. Six days thou shalt work, but on the seventh day thou shalt rest.
V. Thou shalt observe the feast of weeks, of the firstfruits of wheat harvest, and the feast of ingathering at the year's end.
VI. Thrice In the year shall all your men children appear before the Lord God.
VII. Thou shalt not offer the blood of my sacrifice with leaven.
VIII. Neither shall the sacrifice of the feast of the passover be left unto the morning.
IX. The first of the firstfruits of thy land thou shalt bring unto the house of the LORD thy God.
X. Thou shalt not seethe a kid [ie, a young goat] in his mother's milk.

So, no, there isn't actually any Commandment against speaking untruths. Not that such would actually stop a politician...

Posted by: Drumwaster at December 13, 2007 02:35 PM (KvJC/)

50 Crap. Apparently, typing the digit '8', followed by a close parenthesis ')' translates into that smiley face

Posted by: Drumwaster at December 13, 2007 02:38 PM (KvJC/)

51 Drumwaster, I just thought those were the ten "cool" commandments -- hence the shade-wearing smiley.

Posted by: notropis at December 13, 2007 02:57 PM (cP1DU)

52 Kinda wish Juanita Broaddrick would have done this in '91. (Although YouTube was far less popular in 1991....)

Posted by: notropis at December 13, 2007 02:58 PM (cP1DU)

X. Thou shalt not seethe a kid [ie, a young goat] in his mother's milk.

I think I'm pretty safe on that one.

Posted by: Eleven at December 13, 2007 03:20 PM (7DB+a)

54 You Crhistians are all STUPID! Bush is TSUPID becuase hes a CHRITSIAN! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Guess that "surge" isnt working so well now eh wingers? Also: HALIBURTTON!

Posted by: Tom, Ph.D. at December 13, 2007 03:22 PM (CpuBG)

55 After this ad runs awhile, it should be followed up with another that references it and then adds the statistics, pleading from other etc.

Posted by: Mark at December 13, 2007 03:38 PM (phKER)

56 Log Cabin,
Bite me, asshole.

The thread relates to a man who professes to be the ultimate Christian candidate, but releases rapists and murders he thinks have become better Christians, lies about it, and is also the man who, if elected, would take over for the current SUPER DUPER CHRISTIAN President, and the Christmas card illustrates they may be on the same track.

Posted by: Tom at December 13, 2007 03:42 PM (1kwK7)

57 We shouldn't even be having this conversation at RedState. Huckabee is a liberal and should be running for the Dem nomination. God, I despise RINOs when they claim the mantle of conservative sainthood.

Posted by: harlan at December 13, 2007 03:51 PM (jIKqY)

58 CpuBG: First of all, I have no idea why, if you have something to say, you don't have the balls to say it with your own name or moniker.

Second; I have absolutely no idea what you're blathering on about.

Third; Let me guess: You're what, 9-10 years old and using daddy's computer?
(If you know who your daddy is.)

P.S. Drumwaster: I don't know which commandments you're referring to, but there are many versions, something anyone who knows anything about religion should know. Just as there are different versions of the bible itself. With that said:

Here's the Typical Protestant View: #9 - Requires the maintaining and promoting of truth between people, and of our neighbor�s good name and our own, especially in witness-bearing. Forbids whatsoever is prejudicial to truth, or injurious to our own, or our neighbor�s, good name.

Posted by: Tom at December 13, 2007 03:54 PM (1kwK7)

Yeah, because Huckster is a lying, santimonious scumbag who hides behind lies like "my religion means I have to do that" means that all Christians are the same thing. Yessirree Bob.

Bad people find all kinds of ways to justify their behavior.

Tom, do you believe that all Muslims are head-chopping (or strangling) terrorists and Islam is rotten to the core?

You seem to believe that of Christianity, based on observation of Huckabee.

Posted by: funky chicken at December 13, 2007 03:55 PM (I+jPP)

60 Oops, sorry Ace. I followed the link from RS and forgot where I was.

Posted by: harlan at December 13, 2007 03:56 PM (jIKqY)

61 Drumwaster,
Without beating a dead horse, what do YOU think the term "Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor"...means?

Posted by: Tom at December 13, 2007 03:59 PM (1kwK7)

62 The thought of Huck having the power to empty out the Federal prisons with the stroke of a pen is fucking scary, real fucking scary.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at December 13, 2007 04:00 PM (wWoFq)

63 and the Christmas card illustrates they may be on the same track.

More of the same tortured (il)logic from Tom, I see.

Tom, please shut up. I even said "please." You are just being a stupid dick when you babble nonsense like that.

Posted by: Beth at December 13, 2007 04:18 PM (yqiXY)

64 Hey, on the Huckster caught in a bold-faced lie thread we have our very own Mormon-bashing Huckster lover. He's got the last comment on the thread right now. A little higher up the mask hadn't quite slipped yet.

Posted by: funky chicken at December 13, 2007 04:19 PM (I+jPP)

65 Funky Chicken: "You seem to believe that of Christianity, based on observation of Huckabee."

I have no idea what you're talking about.

My view of "religion" in general is based on reading books, articles, attending lectures relating to different beliefs, and of course, having friends who belong to different religions. I've also posted the fact that I'm an Atheist here on a number of occasions so that should tell you that I think most of it is based on word of mouth bullshit passed along by people who have a stake it the resulting behavior and beliefs of others. (I think versions of the bible(s) weren't even started until about 40 years AFTER Christ supposedly died on the cross so let's start with that.)

I have a good friend who is pretty much an expert on religion and he could turn you upside down discussing the history of most religions, how they changed over time and how surprisingly similar and dissimilar they can be.

As for Christianity, I would say it's the predominant religion throughout the western world, but that doesn't necessarily mean it's the right one, and I certainly don't believe Huckabee speaks or represent all Christians. I just "personally" believe he's a fundamentalist and they have a tendency to be very strict in their beliefs.

And releasing rapists or murders because you one thinks they've "seen the light" then denying you did so, is not the way things are supposed to be done, especially by someone running for President of the United States.

Don't YOU want to know exactly who's "light" are they're seeing?

Posted by: Tom at December 13, 2007 04:19 PM (1kwK7)

66 Beth,
Just because you disagree, it doesn't make it so, and it certainly doesn't disavow my right to an opinion.

If you don't agree with me, or don't like what I say...don't respond.

What is it about that you don't understand?

There are all kinds of things said here that I think are ridiculous, but I don't respond to all of them. I try to pick and choose.

*You like and support George W. Bush. WE GET IT.

Posted by: Tom at December 13, 2007 04:23 PM (1kwK7)

I just want to interrupt this thread for a little proselytizing:

Join the Mormons, where we are ALL SATAN’S SIBLINGS!

Which, technically, we do believe, but somehow we’ve never used this as a missionary slogan. Maybe we should.

Posted by: dicentra at December 13, 2007 04:25 PM (HyYBP)

68 That would be whose light you dumbfuck. I'm sure your friend the "expert" on religious history would be just as interesting and enlightening as you are.

Posted by: funky chicken at December 13, 2007 04:38 PM (I+jPP)

69 You want to know something funny? I'm not even an observant Christian of any flavor, but the hating on all Christians or on Christianity based on observation of a snake like Huckabee makes as much sense as hating all women because of Crystal Gayle Mangum.

Posted by: funky chicken at December 13, 2007 04:43 PM (I+jPP)

70 What if Crystal Gayle Mangum was polling ahead of everyone because of the female vote?

Posted by: Eleven at December 13, 2007 04:52 PM (7DB+a)

If Huckabee is the Republican nominee, I will do the unthinkable and vote for the Democrate.

Seriously...The republic can survive Hillary or the Manchurian Candidate or the Breck Girl. (Hell, Hillary would have let the guy fry since she would put her political ambitions over Christian forgiveneess). But the conservative movement can't survive a President Huckabee, particularly after being badly wounded by President Bush.

Posted by: headhunt23 at December 13, 2007 04:56 PM (OMCBg)

72 and of course, having friends

Heh. Yeah, okay.

Posted by: wiserbud at December 13, 2007 05:09 PM (EW49d)

73 Chicken Shit: If all you can come up with is a fucking typo, why waste your time typing?? You asked a question and I responded. If YOU and a few others here, like Wiserbud would spend more time actually discussing or debating the topic at hand, and less time trying throwing out witless bullshit, maybe something would come of it. So...shove it up you ass, fool, I won't waste another second trying to discuss anything with you.

Posted by: Tom at December 13, 2007 05:28 PM (1kwK7)

74 If YOU and a few others here, like Wiserbud would spend more time actually discussing or debating the topic at hand, and less time trying throwing out witless bullshit, maybe something would come of it.

Heh. The irony is strong in this one.

Posted by: wiserbud at December 13, 2007 05:40 PM (EW49d)

75 Just because you disagree, it doesn't make it so

Yes it does. You are wrong, and I am right. Period, no nuance, finito. You can sit there and bash Christianity all you want because you read Christopher Hitchens and have a friend who knows a few things about religion (tainted by his own opinion as well), but you're still wrong. Amusingly so, in fact.

Really, you do look rather dull sitting there pretending to know wtf you're talking about. I recommended shutting up so you wouldn't make yourself look even more ridiculous, but I guess you're determined to leave your mark. Good luck with that.

P.S. I'm right and you're wrong. Get used to it. That's your tip for the day, and you're welcome.

Posted by: Beth at December 13, 2007 06:08 PM (yqiXY)

76 spend more time actually discussing or debating the topic at hand

LOL. That's a keeper!

Posted by: Beth at December 13, 2007 06:10 PM (yqiXY)

77 Join the Mormons, where we are ALL SATAN'S SIBLINGS!

Mormons are hardcore badasses! Vote for Romney, and his brother will get rid of the terrorists! ;-P

(Vote for Huckabee, and he'll forgive them?)

Posted by: Beth at December 13, 2007 06:17 PM (yqiXY)

Hitlary would run this ad in the General 24/7; and Huckabee would be toast. Just another reason for the GOP not to nominate this clown.

Posted by: saf at December 13, 2007 06:35 PM (EPP76)

who's vs whose isn't a typo, it's an apostrophe fault

tsk, tsk

Posted by: funky chicken at December 13, 2007 07:32 PM (I+jPP)

80 And a brain fault, funky. ;-)

Posted by: Beth at December 13, 2007 07:34 PM (yqiXY)

#41, uh, do I have Tom or one of the sock puppet Toms agreeing with me?

I'm cool with it either way.

Posted by: SGT Dan at December 13, 2007 08:03 PM (jCQ+I)

82 Without beating a dead horse, what do YOU think the term "Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor"...means?

Which of those words did you not understand?

"Thou" - means "You"
"shalt not" - shall not/had better not
"bear false witness" - testify falsely
"against" - against
"thy" - your
"neighbor" - pretty self-explanatory.

Now, if you are trying to overblow that specific offense against good manners among those living in close proximity into a general prohibition against ever speaking an untruth, I can't help but wonder who appointed you the Divine Arbiter of Morality? Because that is not what God said, and it clearly isn't what He meant. If He had meant, "Thou shall not lie", I think four words are much more succinct than nine.

Until He says differently, I'll take His word for it.

(I think versions of the bible(s) weren't even started until about 40 years AFTER Christ supposedly died on the cross so let's start with that.)

Yet modern History Books about the Civil War - not even conceived of until 160 years after the supposed conflict ended - can be taken seriously? Puh-leeze

Posted by: Drumwaster at December 13, 2007 09:54 PM (KvJC/)

83 ....what do YOU think the term "Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor"...means? - Tom

Perhaps a question better asked of your girlfriends the Dem's leading representatives, Mr. And Mrs. William Clinton. I'd be very interested in their answer, much more than anyone else's at this point in time.

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