1  Ah, lovely. Now what the hell is wrong with Iowa voters?

2 He's either Carter or Clinton.  Either way, unacceptable.

3
Well, that doesn't prove conclusively how much he knew about Mormonism. But I have to say, I don't give a fuck. I am sooooo sick of hearing about religion. Anybody's religion. This place has turned into HotAir, which is not a complement.

4 No wonder the Dems love Huckabee--he's the one candidate that could get Utah to go Democrat.

5 Ol'Huck should workin' on his Dean Scream.

6 What a POS!  I used to be baptist, and frankly I am ashamed that such hucksters exist that destroys one integrity and the tribes they belong to - let alone run for president.  If you are going to lie, at least be slick, like slick Willy.  He lies with class and finesse. But as a bridge player, at least try to finesse the lie with a little panache.  This was just plain dumb ass move in the age of the internet where hardly anything is hidden - or stay hidden.

7 Gabriel Malor,
I'll take a stab at that one: They live in Iowa.

8 He's really a rather good liar, isn't he?

Except he gets caught a lot. I'd say he's a rather willing and frequent liar but I am not sure how good at it he is.

9 aoshq janitor,

You're blaming the wrong guy.  It wasn't me who decided to make this primary about Jesus and Mormonism, was it?

Was that me?  Maybe it was but I forgot.  Maybe I actually was the one who decided that Huckabee should run on little else than the Power of God and start throwing out bigoted chum about other candidates' religious beliefs. Maybe I did all that and then just got amnesia.

10 Anyone want to smoke a bit of 'blue-vein' with me?

11 Well, in his defense, he probably got away with it at home before he went national.

12 I've noticed a few "real religion" comments from Huck and his staff. He, like Jimmy fucking Carter, is always looking to plant a seed. They all do it (strong america) but Huck is after Mitt's mo'ism in a bad way.

13

OK, I can't keep this to myself anymore.  I did it.  You got me.  So sorry.  Won't happen again.

 

  I was helping an old buddy move some old furniture around at the Sooper Sekrit Iowa Caucus C&C Bunker, and I accidently dropped an old lava lamp on the "Religious Intolerance Suppression Device".  That molten muthafucka seeped into all the openings in the external casing and completely shorted the whole thing out.  What the fuck do I know about that damn alien technology?  I just covered the machine with a dropcloth & a ficus plant, and walked right out past the front desk security guys.  Hey, it really wasn't my fault, you know?  I was doing fine, until that damn Malor came running into the room with his tighty whities on the outside of his pants screaming in a girly voice "OOOOOOOHHHHH!  I'm a MOOOOOOORMON!  Lookit my MAAAAGIC UNDERPAAAAANTS!"  Who the fuck wouldn't completely lose it on seeing shit like that?

 

  And the worst part of the whole thing is that I would have gotten away with it if it wasn't for you meddling morons.

14 I am getting balmed for all this shit!

15 Da,n. balmed = blamed. So I had a celebratory beer or five. I kciked the shit out of that test.

16

Now while I disagreed with Ace over the weight, on this one I say have at 'em champ! Think about all those lil flaws and combine them with the trama you know as your childhood and don't hold back.

^{Ah, lovely. Now what the hell is wrong with Iowa voters?}

Really? You of all people should know what it's like to be hated by everyone. I'm guessing the answer lies in there. P

LEASE FOR THE LOVE OF JESUS CHRIST, YAWEH, BUDDA, ZORO, DARTH VADER, AND ALL THAT'S HOLY, DO NOT MAKE A 10 PART SERIES ABOUT THE ANSWER! Keep it to yourself.

^{I am getting balmed for all this shit!}

Well besides the spelling, maybe its got something to do with what I just ranted about.

17 Posted by: ace at December 13, 2007 12:38 AM (SXBHu) You don't remember running on stage during a Republican debate demanding the election become about religion and Mormonism? I don't actually watch debates in their entirety so I fill in the gaps myself, so I could be wrong.....

18 Well, in his defense, he probably got away with it at home before he went national.

Exactly my thought while I watched the debate.  He actually believes he can bullshit his way through a national election.  It reminded me of Michael Keaton in Mr. Mom, "220...221...Whatever works."

Amazing, but in his defense, he did run in Arkansas.  The last guy who did that and got away with it had the help of a little fella from Texas named Ross Perot.  I'm not seeing that happening this year. 

I'm not sure which group is more ridiculous.  The people who actually believe Huck made a innocent inquiry, PLEASE, or the people who get on their outrage high horse and insist they've never met an unpleasant Mormon.

19 The Huckster: Weapon of mass distortion.

20 He's really a rather good liar, isn't he?

No, but that's because he's a good man. Seriously.  I'm not voting for the guy, I think his policies and his track record are crap, but you can tell he's got a good heart because he's such a lousy liar.   He lies, but he's not really very good at it. Not like Bill Clinton, who is a remarkably good liar, as it comes second nature to him.

21

An old timey critique of the mormons:

 

http://www.gutenberg.org/etext/14661

 

click "read online" and enjoy. It wouldn't be fair to accuse all mo's of this sort of thing, but the church does bleed into the real world if you live in LDS areas.  Romney may be secular, but the Church doesn't work that way imo. Also, if Mitt ends up being the Rep. candidate people need to bring up and finish the conversation about the Mountain Meadows slaughter.  If the election was on Dec. 14 I would probably go with Romney, but he is going to have to deal with things in the general election if he is nominated.

22 What the fuck does Mitt have to do with the Mountain Meadows slaughter?

23

O/T, but Speaking of Fox News, anyone read this piece?:

http://www.gopusa.com/commentary/ckincaid/2007/ck_12121.shtml

Ya!, just in time for Christmas. It's like a warm blanket to know in 2-3 years Fox News could be to the left of CNN ABC NBC MSNBC. Exit Question: What Would Brian Boitano Do (besides pray that ace never sells out to NewsCorp)?

 

24 Well, that doesn't prove conclusively how much he knew about Mormonism. But I have to say, I don't give a fuck. I am sooooo sick of hearing about religion. Anybody's religion. This place has turned into HotAir, which is not a complement.

Fuckin' A, dude. Enough already! Huck is a fraud, a liar, a never was. The educational level in Arkansas is one of the lowest in the nation - that explains this moron being elected as Gov.

Not to forget Clinton. They seem to breed smooth talkers in that state.

25 Well, that doesn't prove conclusively how much he knew about Mormonism. But I have to say, I don't give a fuck. I am sooooo sick of hearing about religion. Anybody's religion. This place has turned into HotAir, which is not a complement.

Fuckin' A, dude. Enough already! Huck is a fraud, a liar, a never was. The educational level in Arkansas is one of the lowest in the nation - that explains this moron being elected as Gov.

Not to forget Clinton. They seem to breed smooth talkers in that state.

26 Oops - sorry. This damned thing is stalling again

27

Where I work we have these thumpers- they all view you as "defective" if you don't buy in. As soon as I was id'ed as Catholic they all got alot less friendly. It make me ill do feel like a Dem on this.

 

The GOP needs to reject an assclown like Huckabee and if we lose evangelicals, so be it.

28 Bold faced.

29 You're blaming the wrong guy. 

I'm sorry, but you mean this blog is own by another guy who is posting over and over and over long repetitive rants against Huckabee and religion?  It's not even reporting or commentary but over the top hyperbole to make a point to people who already agree 200% with you. Do you really think what you write here is going to have any effect on Iowa delegates? And then there is the religion bashing. HA has a headline how the Democrats are going to get dirty about Mormonism. Well, they are too fucking late -- the conservatives have beat them to it.  I know I don't have to read your blog and I generally skip the articles like these. But the sometimes the silly suppositions are too difficult to ignore.

30 How many people here have ever been to a Southern Baptist Convention, because I have.

I'm not a huge Huckabee supporter. I would probably with the Fred. if he would get on the ball and get back Fred! I disagree with Huckabee on several of political issues, but these type of insinuations Huckabee specifically and against religious conservatives in general are getting old.

Huckabee spoke at the Pastors Conference that year, which is a series of speakers who challenge and encourage SBC pastors. It wasn't some conference on Mormonism.

Yeah, the SBC knew what they were doing when they put it in Salt Lake City. They believe the LDS religion is false, just like they believe every religion besides orthodox Christianity to be false.

But none of that means that Huckabee had anything to do with the video, the books or anything else Mormon related at the convention. There are so many books and videos from the convention from so many different organizations and groups, it will make your head spin. It's hard for the convention, let only one speaker, to keep up with all that is there.

You want to go after Huckabee on immigration, spending, clemency, fine have at it. But this (and Hot Air) is getting bad with the religious discussions. As a Christian conservative, I know I need fiscal conservatives to make this work. I am a fiscal conservative. Don't forget that you need us, too. That's not some threat, just a reminder that we are all on the same team. We have differences in issues, but some of this is going overboard.

31 It also strikes me as odd that conservative blogs are linking Oliver Willis and Daily Kos now for information about Huckabee. Should that not tell you that this is getting out of hand?

32

Holy shit.  That's all I got.

Wardrobe door, shouldn't you be more annoyed with Huckabee for being the stereotypical slick talking dishonest preacher-man than with those who report on when he gets caught in his lies?

Where's a link to Oliver Willis?  And the truth is the truth, regardless of source, right?

33 Mitt Romney led the Mountain Meadows massacre?  And you people say Fred! is old.

34

Bold faced.

Bald faced from bare faced.  Did none of you people get forced to read Shakespeare?

35 God's bodykins, man!

36

Huckabee is a smug, smarmy, self-righteous, lying jerk.  His being allowed to put himself out there as the most visible example of "real religion" or "authentic Christianity" does more harm to the faith than anything anybody could say/write on this or any other blog.

Actions speak louder than words, and Huckabee's actions are disgusting.

37

From Geraghty:

-------------------

"I'm going to call horsepuckey on Huckabee's claim that a New York Times reporter knew more about comparitive religions than guy with a theology degree."

Joe Carter, the director of research for Mike Huckabee, wrote in:

^Jim,

^{Governor Huckabee doesn’t have a theology degree. He only spent a year in seminary.}

I told Carter that I had gotten the crazy idea that Huckabee had a theology degree from his statements like, "I’m the only guy on that stage with a theology degree." And press accounts like:

^{I asked Huckabee, who describes himself as the only Republican candidate with a degree in theology, if he considered Mormonism a cult or a religion. ‘‘I think it’s a religion,’’ he said. ‘‘I really don’t know much about it.’’}

Carter responded, "Good point. To me, a degree in theology requires a degree from a seminary. What the Governor has is a BA in Biblical Studies. Technically, that can be considered a “theology degree.” But its probably not what most people think of when they hear that term."

-------------------

So, maybe Huck isn't lying about the theology degree. Technically. But how does Jesus feel about someone being deliberately deceptive?  And how does Jesus feel about those who try and live by the letter of the law rather than the spirit of it?

OR...and I am simply trying to be as fair to Huckabee as I possible can, maybe he is saying that he has a tehology degree?

38 Again, I'm not a Huckabee guy, I just don't want to see any Republican attacked with left-wing tactics. I seen Ace link to Oliver Willis. Allah link to DailyKos. Hugh Hewitt link to Mother Jones.

Huckabee may have been tryng to go gutter on Romney. I don't know for sure, the brothers question was at least extremely stupid and in poor taste.

However, most of the people talking about the SBC convention don't know what their talking about. Huckabee's speech there was to pastors about how the government should tax less, spend less, while churches should be doing more and giving more - nothing about Mormonism at all.

I don't like all the disengenious attacks. Again, go after all the issues you want, but lets not start ripping out the throats of our own people here.

39 And all of this has exactly zero to do with immigration, the NIE, Iran's new ballistic missile and socialized health care.

40

The janitor may be somewhat correct.  It seems we are watching 2 different campaigns, for 2 different offices, in 2 seperate countries.  The donks are holding "rock concerts" and seeing who can promise the most free shit.     We are chewing each other up over reiligion and giving the donks ammo for the big race.     Huck lied big-time, before the 1st primary.  That will bite him in the Ass.    I don't know of ANYBODY who wants a lying southern revival bullshit artist for POTUS.  The donks love Carter, but the will throw his legacy (?) under the bus and make comparisons with Huckster. Because, it really isn't much of a stretch to do so. 

41 The Thunder Run has linked to this post in the - <a href="Link"> Web Reconnaissance for 12/13/2007 </a> A short recon of what’s out there that might draw your attention, updated throughout the day...so check back often.

42 Narrowing the Field(?) Huck: "Goll--eee," "Shazam," "Surprise, Surpise, Surprise." Mitt: French-Lookin' Poseur, w/finger in the wind. (Sound familiar?) Rudy: More baggage than a Red-Cap at SeaTac. McCain: Suitable for a job, manufacturing kites, baskets, or pottery. Keyes: heh,heh,heh Tancredo: A one-note piano player. Hunter: Who? RonPaul: Straightjacket fitting req'd. And, the winner is, Fred!: Bonus points for wife with nice tits.

43 I would never vote for Alan Keyes because he's black.  See, Obama is only half-black, so he's better.  And my dream-girl Hillary (I only wish I looked that good in a pant suit) is all white, which is all right with me!

44 Since we're on the topic of Romney and his belief-system...does anyone not find it absolutely hilarious that Romney has directed all inquiries to his "Church Fathers"?

LOL!

That's who we need in office...someone who checks with his "Church Fathers" to make sure everything's hunky-dory!

Ace...you've lost it.

Really, Dude...you're acting like....like...achildish liberal. You're familiar with thier tactics, ain't'cha?

45

"What the fuck does Mitt have to do with the Mountain Meadows slaughter?"

Mitt has nothing to do with it, but if he is nominated it will be used by the dems when they try to create the impression that he belongs to a cult. The chances of  that happening are very high imo. 

46 " We are chewing each other up over reiligion and giving the donks ammo for the big race."

that's laughable. Want to know why?

The conservative bloggers like ACE are relying on attacks fueled by Arkansas leftists who have a all of Huckabees secrets listed in a little black book.

You people are really going to feel STUPID when you realize that the ammunition you have been using for your attacks has been provided by far-left liberals who have ALWAYS hated Mike Huckabee.

You're already SHOWING your stupidity by not going to the trouble to research things for yourself . Hell, all it takes is a little googling to find out that the Jesus/Satan/brothers thingy is a LEGITIMATE belief of Mormon theologians..."Church Fathers" if you will.

And...you've already SHOWN your dishonesty by claiming Huckabee is fueling the religion debate when your guy, Romney, dominated at least three 24-hour news cycles with his Texas speech last week.

Huckabee's question was legitimate. And if it did nothing else it revealed ONE VERY IMPORTANT THING!

Mitt Romney relies on his "Church Fathers" about important matters of faith.

Who will he rely on about important matters of government?

Huckabee/Barbour '08!

47 The conservative bloggers like ACE are relying on attacks fueled by Arkansas leftists who have a all of Huckabees secrets listed in a little black book.

It's probably BETTER to get the FACTS out now during the PRIMARY before we have to face the DEMOCRATS, who will use those VERY SAME FACTS against Huckabee in the general!

48

Newsflash, Al-Ozarka: my low opinion of Huckabee has been formed by the utter SHIT coming out of his mouth for the past month, not some spooky Arkansas Dem bogeyman list.

He is not a conservative and is a weak, smarmy pussy.

49

It's probably BETTER to get the FACTS out now during the PRIMARY before we have to face the DEMOCRATS, who will use those VERY SAME FACTS against Huckabee in the general!

Slu-

I can UNDERSTAND you NOW for the FIRST TIME!  I don't know WHY!

50 LOUD.  NOISES!

51

  Wardrobe door:  while you're absolutely correct that Huckabee probably had nothing to do with the materials handed out to attendees at the 1998 SBC in SLC, I think you're missing our point.  Mike Huckabee told the Time reporter that "he really doesn't know much about Mormonism", but if that's true, you have to believe that he served as the Keynote Speaker at his church's yearly meeting and paid ABSOLUTELY NO attention to the materials handed out at said conference.  That stretches credibility just a little too much for me, especially when his church has a history of doing opposition research on every other religion out there to increase the efficiency of their criticisms.

 

  I don't mind Huck taking shots at Mormonism or Romney personally, but I'd prefer to see him do it from the pulpit.  If he's going to play in the political arena, he's going to have to learn that the Constitution doesn't say "Baptists only in the White House".  This passive-agressive shot at the LDS church really pisses me off, and I consider myself to be born-again.  Just think how all the non-evangelical Republican voters think about these tactics, and ask yourself "Can a Social Con win the Presidency after chasing off all the other members of the Republican Party?"

52

  Al-Ozarka, how can you claim that Romney's more sanctimonious than Huckabee?  Romney might have given a generic speech about religion in American public life (in which he only mentioned the LDS faith ONCE by name), but Huckabee throws out the "I'm a good Christian Man" meme out there more than John Kerry used the "I served in 'Nam" line?

 

  And blaming Ace & other non-fans of Huck for where they get their info?  Me?  I'd rather prove that the charges are false, but hey, you keep working that strawman angle.  It really suits you.

53 I can UNDERSTAND you NOW for the FIRST TIME!  I don't know WHY!

It's AMAZING, isn't it?  EVERYTHING is so CLEAR now.

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