1 Edwards will cut his losses and throw his support to Obama for a VP slot.

(my half-assed prediction)

2 We need a new way to nominate presidential candidates.  The current system seems to have become something that can only select the most freakish characture of both parties.

3 Pretty soon she'll be down to plan 9.  And don't think she won't use it.

4 LOL at Romney "the frontrunner".  Is B+ running this station?

5

The primary system has caused interesting problems for the Democrats no matter how they've used it.

If you drag the primaries out over a period of months, the candidates burn up a lot of money and are forced to spend a lot of time attacking and criticizing each other. By the time the fight with the Republicans comes along they've spent down the war chest, and so bloodied each other that the survivor doesn't look very appealing. Advantage Republicans.

If you compress the primaries too much, then the predestined candidate (Hillary!) steamrolls the competition before they have a chance to get established - unless the public really despises the predestined candidate (as they despise Hillary).  In this situation, a dark-horse candidate who isn't really ready for the job (OBama) may become the nominee before the public has a chance to see that the dark-horse isn't really ready for the big race. (Advantage Republicans).

Unfortunately this year, we face our own darkhorse in the form of "Who-the-Hell (is) Huckabee"  (Advantage - Canada)

 

 

 

 

6 We really should have held our fire on her. I so want to see her in the general so she can be retired from national political life in as humiliating and final way as possible.

7 How do we beat prop up the bitch?

8 This front-loaded system is just screwy.  I think the process was better when things stretched from January to June.

9 Oh, her losing in the primary would be hilarious, as Clintonistas let/help O'bama lose out of pure spite.

10 Johnny won't quit while his campaign fund is in the red - he'll wait until he can make a buck or two (or 20,000,000) before he bows out.

11

Corn-fed, inbred and proud to be cornholing the rest of the country every four years.

  Iowa: w00t !!!

12

Plan 9? 

Is that the one where she courts illegal alien voters...

....from outer space?

13 Oh, her losing in the primary would be hilarious, as Clintonistas let/help O'bama lose out of pure spite. I could live with this senario.

14

I am actually very torn on this. On the one hand, I am sooooooo enjoying watching Hillary! go into full-panic mode as her "inevitability" vanishes before her eyes.

Unlike many here, I am not so confident that she will be blown out in the actual election. Never, EVER underestimate the stupidity/greed/gulliblity of the American Public (TM). Her husband won election twice. Yes, I know she is not her husband by a longshot, but I can't help but be a little nervous becuase of the full-frontal assault the media will give whoever the R nominee is. As much as I hate to agree with liberals on this, I believe they may be right on the fact that a large percentage of the American public does indeed want nanny government to take care of them. Remember "Pony Tail Guy" from the 92 debate?

Part of me thinks that it might be safer to eliminate her before the nomination. This would be unbearably humiliating for her and her sycophantic fans in the media. I believe that Obama is very beatable in a general election. He does have a very charismatic personality but when it is crunch time and people are actually in the voting booth, I believe the issue of (in)experience will weigh heavily on their minds.

The Republicans are facing two big disadvantages here. One is money. The Dems are far outraising Repubs in this election cycle. Thanks John McCain. Second is the outright war the media will declare against the R nominee. The R's need to go on offense RIGHT NOW against the media and put them on the defensive. We are NEVER going to get a fair shake in the mainstream press and it's time we quit trying to make nice with the enemy. But what we can do is not let them create the template. I believe that the first R to call out the media with specific examples of blatant media bias would incredibly energize the base of the party. Right now, I can't see one candidate that really is lighting anyone on fire. Hatred of Hillary, although helpful, is not going to be enough to win an election by itself. It is a cliche, but true: We need to give voters something to vote for, not just something to vote against.

 

15 Pretty soon she'll be down to plan 9.

Yes, but is it from outer space?

16 I bet Plan C involves about $100,000 and a "professional".

17
Ace:  Obama vs. Huckabee  -- who do you vote for?

We need to give voters something to vote for, not just something to vote against.

Why? I've been voting against people and issues all my adult life. Mostly because the parties have sold us out  by gerrymandering in order to keep their seats, resulting in no competition and allowing the best ideas to win. At the state level, there is no competition between the parties and no competition within the parties.

18

In a prepared statement, Natalie Portman's nipples expressed cautious, yet perky optimism.

19

Ace,

Those poll #s aren't real.  Primary voters in key states lie.  "What, you don't care about voters committed to a candidate, but you'll lavish attention on uncommitted voters?  I'm uncommitted!"  "What, Clinton has a lead and she's going to cut spending in my state?  I'm switching my allegiance until the coffers flow more freely!"  After the polls close, you'll wonder why you believed this crap now.

Just like 4 years ago.

20 I still think Hillary will get the nomination (and I know most here think that will seal the Democrat's fate), but as for her lead in the polls...it's been a long haul already and I can't see how anybody can sustain an insurmountable advantage over the period of time they've been and will be vying for the nod.

And, as for losing a primary, there's plenty of history to support it not meaning one hell of a lot in the end.

Personally, I'm so sick of both sides and the every day back and forth I can't wait for the conventions so we can get it over with, one way or another.

I have a feeling we'll see Hillary and Edwards.

On the Republican side...I suppose it will be Rudy (McCain as a real long shot...if he's still alive)...but Rudy still has many closets to open, and who knows what we'll find inside.

21 dusty dog, people were saying the same things in 2006.

"They polled the wrong people (registered voters instead of likely voters)." "They overpoll Democrats." "The only polls that matter are the real ones." "Polled voters can change their votes before Election Day."

So we disregarded the signs that we were about to get our asses kicked. Yes, polls are inexact. That's why they have a margin of error. They still provide useful indication of current voter sentiment and trends.

22
and   nor allowing the best ideas to win.

23 No, that's where she threatens to make light explode if she doesn't get the nomination.

24

We were really counting on the old girl to win this and then lose disastrously.

Actually, wasn't that merely your own Plan A.  Then, yesterday, disdain for your fundamentalist brethren so overcame you that Plan B was to vote for Hillary over Huckabee in fit of pique.

Now, it looks like Hillary mayn't be only one needing a Plan C.

25 I hope Hillary wins the Dem. nod because I think she would be the least damaging president of the three Democratic contenders. Even though I reflexively hate her.

26 It's official.

Ron Paul!

27

Two statements that are in combination very important:

Rudy still has many closets to open, and who knows what we'll find inside.

... the outright war the media will declare against the R nominee. The R's need to go on offense RIGHT NOW against the media and put them on the defensive.

Say it loud, brother!!  The MSM is the self-nominated guardian of the Dems and they will fight to destroy any R they figure is a credible opponent.  The coming election is not between Republicans and Democrats, but between those of us who believe America's power is a force for good, and the internationalist MSM who see themselves as penitent citizens of Gaia.

 

28 SPeaking of closets, Im looking forward to seeing what (else) is in Hillarys and what else (besides muslim schooling as a child, affiliation with a radical, racist church, cocaine and drug abuse) is in Obama Husseins. And Edwards, well, we all know he's IN the closet

29

SPeaking of closets, Im looking forward to seeing what (else) is in Hillarys and what else (besides muslim schooling as a child, affiliation with a radical, racist church, cocaine and drug abuse) is in Obama Husseins.

And Edwards, well, we all know he's IN the closet

30

 Second is the outright war the media will declare against the R nominee. The R's need to go on offense RIGHT NOW against the media and put them on the defensive. We are NEVER going to get a fair shake in the mainstream press and it's time we quit trying to make nice with the enemy. But what we can do is not let them create the template. I believe that the first R to call out the media with specific examples of blatant media bias would incredibly energize the base of the party.

Say it loud, brother!!  This is the key to the election... understanding that we conservatives are not running against the pathetic slate the Dems have to draw from, we are running against the media.

31 Sorry for the almost-repeated posts - got an internal error first time and figured it was gonzo.

32 She's has the alternate plan available...

THE ALTERNATE PLAN!!!

33

I heard Plans C, D and E are only so-so, but Plan F is supposed to have all kinds of potential.

Then it kind of tails off until Plans K and L, which are kinda cool.

(Hint: L stands for "Lasers"...)

 

34 The alternate plan!

DO NOTHING!

She's very good at that. That, and eatin' pussy.

35

The MSM is the self-nominated guardian of the Dems and they will fight to destroy any R they figure is a credible opponent. 

The RNC's a step ahead of everyone on this score: they've simply not put forward any credible candidates.  That'll teach the MSM.

Of course, the notion of the press as the guardians of the Democratic presidential nominee is pure fantasy anyway, intended to palliate America's wholesale rejection of the wingnut agenda. That anyone could have lived through the press's treatment of Bush and Gore, and still believe that, is testament indeed to the mass delusion that has brought conservatives, and the country, to where they are now.

 

36 Sherlock,
The constant drumbeat of how the MSM is killing the Republicans is ridiculous, unless of course, you don't count Fox News and about 20 right wing radio hosts who are on the air every day of the week.

And as for Rudy's closets...nobody will need the MSM to open those babies up...they open all by themselves just about every week.

As for Hillary's closets...at this point in time it's difficult to imagine anything really new being revealed.

TMF - GFL.

37 Of course, the notion of the press as the guardians of the Democratic presidential nominee is pure fantasy anyway

You tell 'em!  Pure fantasy! 

Love and Kisses,
Mark Halperin
ex-ABC Political Director

PS. Just because 90% of the media votes Democrat and only gives money to Democrats doesn't mean we want Democrats to win.  Any comments to the contrary are typical  Republican lies!  Because all they do is lie!

38 Plan 9....  Hey, isn't that the plan where the dead rise and vote Democrat?

What?  That plan has already been activated?  In every election since 1960?

Never mind.

39

Maybe Huma should dress up as Vampira.

40

The end of the alphabet is where all the action is.  For example, Plan S is short for "Plan Strap-on".

 

41 a dark-horse candidate who isn't really ready for the job (OBama)

Ha Ha Ha............ you called him dark.

42 And Plan Y? *Snicker* Let's just say it's also a favorite of Bill's.

43 Bender, I've never seen anything reflecting a 90% Democratic vote via the MSM, (although I'm sure it's at least 60% or more), but what exactly do YOU consider to be the illustrious MSM? Are you including the following: The Weekly Standard, the Washington Times, Newsmax, The National Review, Townhall.com, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Glenn Beck, Ben Ferguson, Lars Larson, G. Gordon Liddy, Laura Ingraham, Neal Boortz, Michael Savage, Bill O'Reilly, Glenn Beck, Larry Elder, Mark Levin, Michael Reagan, Ann Coulter, Hugh Hewitt, Laura Ingraham, Dennis Prager, Michael Medved, etc.?? I guarantee you that those I've listed reach as at least as many and in many cases, even more American voters than anything you might feel represents the evil MSM empire.

44 > Ace: Obama vs. Huckabee -- who do you vote for?

I'd go for Obama in that matchup. Why?

1. Both would be bad presidents. Being able to blame the dems would help the Repubs take back the office 4 years later. And would be a HUGE help in the off year elections of 2010.

2. At his core, Obama is just another (liberal) politician. He'll make deals, he compromises. The Repubs in congress can work with him, try and limit the damage. We've survived worse presidents that he's likely to be. Huck is a idealist and a feel-good moron. You've seen how he does pardons and commutations. How'd you like to see how he picks judges or does diplomacy? Eeek.

45 So, Hillary's gone from planning a B job to a C job in about 24 hours. Before you know it, she'll be up to a FFF job and she'll have once again gained the attention of her husband.

46

Because all they do is lie!

Bender, you're the one making that claim, not me.  In order for the press--which just also happens to include Fox, WSJ, Rush, AEI, ad nauseum--to be guardians of the Democratic Party, there has to have been a whole hell of a lot of lying by the press, sufficient apparently to obscure from the American people all those Republican success stories.  Like I said, delusion.

Don't make me sick the Howler on you.

47 Your Media At Work:

57% in a poll released today believe we are in a recession. 

So, obviously, 57% of Americans are dead, stinking wrong, although the Reuters report on the poll didn't mention that little detail.  I can just hear the Leftoid Spin Machine: "If you feel a recession, then it's true... for you!"

I wonder where gullible souls would possibly get the idea that we are in a recession when the economy grew almost 5% last quarter and hasn't had a negative quarter in six years.  It's almost as if all these people hear is negative news about the economy!  How could that be?

Tell me more about that unbiased media.

48 In order for the press...to be guardians of the Democratic Party, there has to have been a whole hell of a lot of lying by the press, sufficient apparently to obscure from the American people all those Republican success stories.

What, like obscuring from the American people whether the country is in a recession or not?  Yeah, who could imagine such a thing?

See, I'm so smart that I anticipate your posts, and respond before you even send them.  It's easier this way.

49 I guarantee you that those I've listed reach as at least as many and in many cases, even more American voters than anything you might feel represents the evil MSM empire.

Well you'd be dead wrong about that, too.  Not that I'm shocked or anything.

50 "Has brought conservatives, and the country , to where we are now". Where exactly are we now , oh beloved weeper. An economy that's humming along, almost full employment, and  a military that is kicking the shit out of our enemies  around the globe. Guess I'm just a glass half full kinda guy. Unlike some around here.

51 Bender,
I have no idea what you do for a living, but if you don't think we're in a recession right now, you're dreaming.

The housing market, construction, auto sales, retail sales, industries affected by oil prices, and many others are as flat as a pancake and it's not going to get any better for quite some time.

Oh, and the banking and investment community is holding their breath, just waiting for the other shoe to drop on mortgages, foreclosures, credit, etc., all getting ready to report poor earnings and less than stellar future sales.

52 Again while it's still early and there's been no vote yet, I'd like to remind all the people who thought I was crazy for saying Senator Clinton wasn't likely to survive the primary process to think about this a while.

53 Bender,
Are you saying you don't believe those I've listed aren't part of the MSM?

An if so, based on WHAT?

54 Christopher,
You're dreaming.

55 Tom,

Your ignorance is astonishing.  Read and learn:

http://www.mediaresearch.org/biasbasics/biasbasics.asp

As for the media, I note a few organizations you left out:  the NY Times, the Washington Post, the LA Times, Associated Press, Reuters, CNN, NBC News, CBS News, ABC News, MSNBC, Time magazine, Newsweek magazine, NPR, ...

I could go on, but what would be the point?  The organizations I've listed above have dominated the news world for decades.  This is changing, as people come to understand the massive bias they possess.  The reason for the rise of the the people you listed is because of the response to that bias.

Currently, the left-wing media reaches more people than the right-wing media.  In time, this will change as people continue to abandon the left-wing media.  The Democrats are worried about this, which is why they want to re-establish "The Fairness Doctrine", to censor conservative media.  The left-wing media currently has the upper hand, and until it either loses it's bias or is replaced by something more fair, it is a factor in elections.

56 Oh, and about that recession?  A recession is 2 consecutive quarters of decline in GDP.  Since GDP grew in the 3rd quarter of 2007 (and in every quarter for the last 5 years), we are not in a recession.

57 And I'm dreaming of Chuck Adkins's sweet, sweet he-knockers!

58 We need a new way to nominate presidential candidates. The current system seems to have become something that can only select the most freakish caricature of both parties.

There's something to be said for that analysis.

59

I guess Tom was absent the day that they gave the definition of a recession in business school.

Hee hee heee!

60 It's a recession because it feeeeeeeeels like a recession.  You would all know that that's the only definition that matters if you had taken business classes!

61 We need a new way to nominate presidential candidates. The current system seems to have become something that can only select the most freakish caricature of both parties.

I agree.  If we had had this system in place in 1912, the nominees would have been John Harvey Kellogg (inventor of peanut butter and corn flakes) and Aimee Semple McPherson (religious nut-ball).

Oh, and William Taft, of course.

62 "Obama vs. Huckabee  -- who do you vote for?"

Wow, talk about your evil of two lessers.

63 I have no idea what you do for a living, but if you don't think we're in a recession right now, you're dreaming.

You can't be serious. 

If I was as ignorant as you are, Tom, I would burn my keyboard into slag, so I wouldn't beclown myself.  Seriously.  Do it now.

After you've torched the keyboard, look up "recession" in an economics textbook.  Then tell me who's dreaming.

64 You've never taken a business class, have you Bender?  Well, I'll have you know that I showed this thread to my stuffed animals employees and they say I am smarter than you are, so there.

65 The organizations I've listed above have dominated the news world for decades.

No, Tom will tell you that NewsMax reaches as many people as the New York Times.  He says Ann Coulter is MainStream Media, so it must be true!

For those of us in the real world, the statistics after the last election tell us that over twice the number of Americans get their political information from major-network nightly news shows than get it from talk radio.  Over three times as many people get their political info from nightly news than get it from internet news sites.

Or you could look at ratings, which will tell you that Katie Couric is in hot water for only pulling in 50% more viewers per day than Rush Limbaugh gets listeners (and she's in third place!). 

A Pew study this year showed that almost half of Americans watch the network news shows and over half read newspapers, while 11% read blogs and 8% listen to Limbaugh.

But if Tom is willing to guarantee that Limbaugh, Hannity, and NewMax reach more people than the three national networks and the New York Times... well, his Bizarro assertions are good enough for me!

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