1 I just got done telling me wife, if I have to pick between Huck and any other democrat--I'm not voting, done deal.

We all went through the crap of judge confirmation and immigration when the Republican Congress went wobbily...I won't be apart of 4 years of a wobbily, compassionate conservative!

Please, can we agree at least on someone who is fiscally conservative and strong on foreign policy, ANYONE.

I thought we the Republicans had this thing wrapped up, I'd vote for Mitt, Rudy, Fred or John, all without a problem, but HUCK?  So what if he's a minister, sheesh, he just doesn't have a clue on foreign policy and to qoute, "the Presidency is not a [freakin'] internship!"

2 Huckabee is a disaster! Despite his recent endorsement, he is terrible on illegal immigration and is a hugh fiscal liberal. If Evangelicals manage to get him nominated and he loses hugh to Hillary, they will have a LOT to answer for in my eyes.

3 I wonder if he'll continue to apply the Do Unto Others if Tel Aviv, Haifa, and Jerusalem get vaporized.

4

M'eh ... I'll vote for the Libertarian Party, just to give them that false sense of impending victory in the next election cycle.

The problem will be if the choice comes down to Obama versus Huckabee. 

God Himself will have to scratch His head and ponder.

5 Huck V Any Democrat--> I vote third party in protest
Mitt V Any Democrat (but Hillary)--> I vote Third Party in Protest
Mitt V Hillary (I hold my nose and vote for Mitt)
Fred V Any Democrat---. Fred. Absolutely
Rudy Vs Any Democrat (I hold my Nose and vote for Rudy)
Duncan Hunter V Any Democrat (")
Tom Tancredo V Any Democrat ---> I vote third party in Protest
Alan Keyes V Any Democrat--> HAHAH I won't have to worry about that
Ron Paul (as a Republican) V Any Democrat--->"
Ron Paul (as a Libertarian) V Rep V Democrat --> I vote for another third party
McCain Vs any Democrat except Obama and Richardson---> I Vote for McCain reluctantly

6 Ace, thanks for posting this.  Last night I came to the same conclusion.

7 if Huckabee gets the nomination, I'm voting Democratic...even Hillary

Same here.  The comfy chair really doesn't work well with loons and tyrants.  As much as I loath Hillary, I don't think she's as naive as this guy.  I also believe she'd pull the trigger if necessary - maybe for the wrong reasons (polling tells her its OK), but I believe she'd actually do it.

8 And I don't think I'm alone on this.

I can assure you personally, you're not.

9 Allah seems to be under the impression that the "I'll Vote Hillary" threat is an idle one.

I for one rather like Hillary compared to Huckabee, for the very reasons Ace suggested: she's too politically power-hungry to do anything wildly absurd.

10 I won't vote Dem, but I will drop out of the Republican party. Join or start a Conservative party in my state, I am sick to death of selling out to the highest/lowest bidder.

P.S. Ace, there is a Conservative Party of N.Y.

11 First, I don't believe you, but I do believe you don't like Huck.  Second, even if the Democrats have the WH and both houses, they won't take the blame.

I would remind you that the Democrats are sure to raise taxes, stock the court with more liberal judges, give us mandated government run health care, make policy based on the cult of Al Gore, do nothing good about illegal immigration and in general continue to try to lose the WoT.  For starters. 

I think you care about these things, so I don't really see you voting for Hillary.

12 I concur with the sentiment.

13 Huck's a bottle rock. I'm waiting for the "pop".

14 I am pretty sure that  the people who are going to or most likely to  vote for Huckabee don’t read this blog or the other associate blogs. So, I’m not sure what all these anti-Huckabee rants are going to achieve.

Not that what one blogger thinks matters that much, but if Huckabee gets the nomination, I'm voting Democratic.

I'm not. I won't risk handing this country over to the people that hate it most. 

15

Huck, old buddy -

This Lions lying down with the lambs thing works great!

(As long as you remember to keep adding fresh lambs now and again)

 

16 We're a couple months from the Panic Button on this one, but I'm making sure I have a clear route to it. Let me make sure I have the Israeli Embassy web site bookmarked.

17

Not that what one blogger thinks matters that much, but if Huckabee gets the nomination, I'm voting Democratic.

I'll make that pledge, right here, right now.  Go ahead Iowa- call my bluff.

I can't for chrissakes believe this.  Even here in Texas, where there are a shitload more hardcore Bible-thumpers per household than in Iowa, where the state Republican Party has formally endorsed creationism, Rudy is several points in the lead in the most recent polls.

18

You treat others the way you�d like to be treated.

I'm with him on that one. That's the way I try to live my life.

For instance, if I were a smug, ignorant, global warmmonger, I would expect to be ridiculed so of course, I ridicule them whenever possible.

If I were a power-mad, religious dictator threatening the world, I would expect the US to send a cruise missile up my ass. It's what I would deserve and should expect.

It's how you apply the Golden Rule that matters. If you treat mad-dog killers the way you, as a non-mad-dog-killer, want to be treated, you're applying it incorrectly. You treat a mad-dog-killer the way you would expect to be treated if you were a mad-dog-killer.

19 Rudy's the only Republican in this race that I absolutely will not vote for, but Huckabee would have me holding my nose, covering my eyes, and blowing chunks all the while I was in the voting booth.

20

Someone needs to crank out some HUCKABEE/CARTER placards.

Nice move, it it was calculated: Court the religious right with the Mormon-bashing, and the free media left with the conservative-bashing.

Not a bad plan for a candidate with little money, support and name recognition.

 

21

I won't vote Democrat if Huck is the nominee, but I can definitely see myself sitting this one out.

Either way, we would get an overly pious liberal in the WH, but if a Democrat wins, we at least have a shot at re-taking congress in 2010.

 

22 Actually, I felt a great weight lift from my shoulders when I stopped talking to a near relative. It was the solution to my struggle with this person. Just stop talking to the SOB. Non-diplomacy rocks!

23 Im planning on sitting this one out.

Unless Hunter or Thompson come out of nowhere. Which im not really counting on.

p.s. Thanks alot Jesus.

24

I would remind you that the Democrats are sure to raise taxes, stock the court with more liberal judges, give us mandated government run health care, make policy based on the cult of Al Gore, do nothing good about illegal immigration and in general continue to try to lose the WoT.  For starters. 

GOD DAMMIT.

Huckleberry wants higher taxes, stacked courts, government health care, carbon cap & trade, amnesty for illegals, and a lost war on terror.

What the bloody hell?

No, seriously. No, really.

He has said his religious convictions compel him toward being soft on illegals. And he's said his religious convictions are that we must be a stewards of the earth and stop global warming.

He wants to stop waterboarding, close down Gitmo, and use diplomacy with Iran - A.K.A. lose the fucking war on terror.

"I don't believe you".

Goody for you. I give right the fuck up.

Democracy - good and hard. The belief people know what they want and deserve to get it, good and hard. You got it coming. We all warned you. Bend your ass over and try to relax. It only hurts the first few times.

I'm gonna call Rosetta Stone Learning Software and see if they have a CD that can teach me to speak Australian, just in case.

25 >>> I don't believe you

As Mark says, try me. 

26 And try millions of people just like me too.

People don't read this blog because I'm all fringey.  Despite the cursing which substitutes for having any real "edge," I'm blandly mainstream. 

27 Don't waste your energy worrying about this. There is no hucking way that he's going to be nominated. The GOP can be foolish, but they don't have a death wish. Remember, even Howard Dean looked like a feasible nominee 4 years ago at this time.

28 Hey, I said yesterday that if South Carolina goes for the Huckster, I'm getting a Hillary! sticker for my car, and if it looks like Oprah may have a shot of getting Obama nominated, I'm going to volunteer for the Hillary! campaign.  Unbelievable.

29
Fringey, huh?  lol!

30

roy is very wise.

 

What a Huck win in Iowa might do is completely destroy Iowa's influence. That's my guess, and I'm sticking to it.

31

A few thoughts, Ace.

Search your comments-- hell, I'd link my blog, if I had still cared enough to keep it-- but I've been saying for years now that given the open election combined with the (relatively) weak field of likely GOP candidates for 2008, we had NO IDEA who would be competitive in 2008.  None whatsoever.  For years, people have talked up McCain, then Rudy, then Mitt, and all along, I've ALWAYS said-- we don't know squat about the field and what it's going to look like in the last months going into the primaries.  Whatever frontrunners were out there in 2006-2007 were likely to fall by the wayside once, you know, actual voters were consulted. 

The model for this all is, of course, Bill Clinton in 1992.  No one knew who the hell he was in 1991; in 1993, he's President of the United States of America.

Well, guess what?  It's December 2007, and Mike Huckabee (who?) is charging ahead in the pack.  A man who isn't conservative, who is barely *Republican*, but says the right things to single-issue voters.

You, me, and the rest of your moronblog are single-issue voters: it's The War, stupid.  We're fiscal conservatives, yes, and damn if we don't want somebody who reduces the size of government, but at the end of the day, we want a pro-war candidate in office, and that issue trumps all others for us.   Well, guess what?  The folks supporting Mike Huckabee are also single-issue voters: they want a "Christian" President, and all that comes with that.  They don't care about his positions on anything else, they just like what he says and how he says it. For the last twelve months these people been told repeatedly by the MSM *and* the GOP establishment that their "Moral Majority" position may have mattered in 1988 and 2000 but it doesn't matter in 2008.  They'd just have to suck it up and vote for a Rudy or a Romney-come-lately and forget about things like judges and abortion and the role of God in America, etc., all because of The War.    The Huckabee surge tells me there is a large segment of the population-- the Iowa population, at least-- that's heard this message for a year but finally decided to hell with it.  They're sick of being ignored and belitted.  Nothing motivates the human spirit towards righteous anger better than a little condescension, and that's all these social values voters have gotten for years-- not just from the MSM (where it's expected) but now even the GOP itself.   Like you, I would never in a million years vote for Mike Huckabee.  He's not a conservative, he's not even a Republican-- not as I understand the party, certainly not as I want to understand the party.  He may be a swell guy to have a joke with, but as the GOP standard bearer, he combines McCain's domestic policy with Ron Paul's foreign policy delivered with the hard-hitting platitudes of Barack Obama in the tone of John Edwards.  He's bad for the party AND conservatism-- at the end of the day, President Hillary! is at least only bad to the Republicans, but would probably do wonders to focus conservatives.   Dammit, we need Fred to step the fuck up in his Iowa tour.  Grrrrrrrrr.   Anyway. . . I share your frustrations, if not your bewilderment.  I could have totally predicted Huckabee-- in fact, I like to think that I did.

32

But yaaaayyyy. We'll have a nominee supporting the Human Life Amendment and Federal Marriage Amendment which will never pass.

And hey, isn't hatin' on some fags the most important thing?

33

Grrr.  Sorry, I lost the paragraph returns on my cut-and-paste.

Anyway, Ace-- I sent my comments to you as an email.  I think they're true.

34

^{I came to the conclusion earlier, but didn't think I needed to say it. Now with the Stupid Party about to commit its most Stupid Party Decision since, I don't know, Herbert Hoover's money-tightening during a serious depression, I think it's panic time.}

Ace your wrong. Hoover helped the economy, unlike FDR. Of course, what do I know- FDR only ordered the destruction of livestock and milk that could've gone to the masses in the soup lines.

I'm being serious. You don't know.

35

"He combines McCain's domestic policy with Ron Paul's foreign policy delivered with the hard-hitting platitudes of Barack Obama in the tone of John Edwards."

Do you write movie reviews?  If not, you should.  Two thumbs up, Dave.

36

I think Hillary would make a better president than Huck and if it came to it I would probably vote that way. This guy looks like Carter II imo. The world is still quite dangerous and we can't afford to elect a retarded minister president.  Even as VP it is a little troubling.

-McCain is still my pick, FTW

-Romney is #2. Where will "the rhetoric meet policy". Did he do a good job as governer in Mass.? For me, his LDS thing gives him bonus points. I kind of like Mormons even though they always seem to be BS'ing (does this help or hurt a politician? Uniball are they always BSing or are they always like that?) and his mormonism will drive all of the crazy left, the people I hate, insane. Maybe even leaving the country crazy.

-Rudy, meh. He has better hair than Mitt and a better name also.  I still don't really know anything about him other than that he cleaned up NY and has corruption issues.

-Fred! is out imo. Too many lobbyists and felons near him as well.

-Ron Paul, if your base is made up of Nerds, Computer Nerds, the white power crowd, stand up comics, probably nambla, chomsky fans, canadians and people who watch youtube videos about FreeMasons controlling the world you may win lots of internet polls but will win little else.

Dem's: Hillary-probably just like the other Clinton. It wouldn't be the end of the world or country, but it isn't a good option.

Obama- who? Why is he even running for president and why would I care about the audacity of his hope?

Who the fuck are these other people? Dodd?

 

37 Allah seems to be under the impression that the "I'll Vote Hillary" threat is an idle one.

Allah needs to lay off the crack pipe.  I'm serious as a heart attack.

38 I'm waiting for Huck to be exposed as the 21st century Elmer Gantry that he is.  It does, however, frighten me that so many people who call themselves Republicans can favor him for president.  Even with the politically motivated flip flops, he is a liberal disaster waiting to happen.

39 <A href="http://thesins.blogsome.com/2007/12/05/anger-huck/">Ahem.. >/a>

I came to the same conclusion last week...

Just Sayin'

40

Not that what one blogger thinks matters that much, but if Huckabee gets the nomination, I'm voting Democratic.

Now that's just crazy talk... not that I don't believe you mean it.

As someone who's said numerous times that I'll sit it out if a convincing conservative (and neither Huck or Rudy fit the bill for me) isn't nominated, voting Hillary in protest is a very bad idea, and here's why:

A vote for Hillary will be interpreted as support for her, her agenda and the Dems in general.  It won't be viewed by either party, the MSM or general public as dissatisfaction with the Repubican nominee, and thus doesn't encourage the Republican party to start backing candidates that are conservative on more than just Gays, Guns and God (in Huck's case).

However, simply sitting it out or voting 3rd party would almost certainly be viewed as a lack of support for the Republican nominee- that sends a message that we're mad as hell and not going to take it.

41 But would you vote for Ron Paul on the Libertarian ticket if that were an option?

42

Hey, you guys need to relax a bit.

Mike's going to take a trip down me anytime now and when he does *WHAM* *Blinding Light* *Sudden Conversion* , you'll have yourselves a True Conservative willing to bring God's Own Lightning down on the Infidel while keeping government spending in check.

.

 

43 I like my Evil served straight. Fuck the chasers. If Huck and Hill go at it, I'll go for Hill. If I'm going to be denied every last thing I want anyways, might as well go whole hog on it all. Because at least Hill is Evil, but Huck is a fucking moron. Hill will stick it in just to hurt you; Huck will stick it in and twist it because, um, Jesus saves and all. Walking disaster indeed.

44

Putting this in human terms, all of us know that when we stop talking to a parent or a sibling or a friend, it�s impossible to accomplish anything

What a fuckin' tard.  Do Fuckabee's siblings pay people to stick pipe bombs in his car's tailpipe while he's sleeping at night?  Do his parents take his kids hostage when they visit for Thanksgiving dinner and send him videotapes of them making blindfolded statements asserting that he is the Great Satan?

45 I will not vote Huckabee.  I'll vote Ron Paul before I vote for Jimmy Carter 2.0

46 Well, if the clueless evangelicals give us Huckabee, he will go down with a Mondale style landslide.  The silver lining?  James Dobson and the rest of them won't have too many Republicans left who are willing to listen to their political advice.

47

I love Huckleberry's response to the Romney attack ad.

Deny it? No....he's calls Romney a 'tattle tale'.

WTF?

..............

WTF?

"Bush had the report for 4 years"

WTF?

The guy smokes pot!

48 If Huck is the nominee, I'll have to take a look at what's best for the country, not party.

As much as it pains me, at this point I think Huck is worse for the country and the party than Hillary would be.  If it's Obama, then I don't think there's much practical difference between him Huck. 

I guess judges would be the big difference and while I know a Democrat would be horribly on that, I can't say for sure Huck would be much, if any, better.

49 Let's not hit the panic button for another month or so.  Polls are often wrong.

/optimism

50 If Huck is nominated, I'm going to finish up college and move to Australia. Unless somehow a good 3rd party wins.

51 I get the feeling that Huck is nothing more than CNN/MSNBC's "Dream Republican Candidate" which leads to a Democratic Presidency. Has he really done or said anything concrete in the last month or two that accounts for his rise in the polls?  I haven't been slavishly following the campaign yet, but I'd think that I'd see some there there.

52

Oh, and the part about at least the dems will get the blame for the disaster if they have the White House and all of congress and fuck up mightily?  True.  Remember the "revolution" of 1994, when the GOP won the house after Bill Clinton came in, thought his election was a mandate for gays in the military and socialized medicine?  I do.

 

53 The comments at Allah poopoo the thought of sitting this election out or voting the other side, I say not so poopoo!

Ace hits it out of the park...I will not have my party (which I joined because of Reagan) represented by HUCK!

This is not an idle threat, don't tell me I'm exaggerating...I'm spitting mad at these developments...now for some Ativan and a nap!!

And this Country vs. Party stuff is short sighted, if we're out of power for 20+ years like last time then what?

54 The things you learn in an electoral campaign ...

When this campaign started out, I was sure that the Republican I wouldn't vote for was McCain.  Now, I have discovered it's Huckabee.

55

Ace and friends-

I've never posted on a blog, but this calls for it. 

I love this blog, but this is ridiculous.  All along this campaign all I've heard is "Hey, Christian conservative!  Suck it up and vote for Rudy or the Mormon guy!"

The Christian right sucked it up repeatedly for the GOP and recieved damn little in return for the money and work we provide as the base of the party.  George Bush has done what the party wanted on the war and slashed taxes.  Good on him.  What exactly has he (or the GOP in general) done for the social con wing of the party?  Um... well, he nominated two swell guys to the Supreme Court who've done a total of NOTHING on issues that matter to us.  How about leading on the issue of Abortion?  Nope, nothing there.  The March for Life is 22 January.  Is he going to be there?  Nope, going to miss it again this year.  By my count Bush didn't cave on federal funding of stem cells (no one cares) and we've got partial birth abortion eliminated (which almost no one would defend and was a political winner for the GOP.)

The GOP had control of Congress and the White House for six years and 55 senators before the 2006 meltdown.  What was done for pro-lifers as a thank you card? 

<crickets>

I want Fred to win.  I think Huckabee is inexperienced and will probably lose if he wins the nomination.  But this "I'm voting for Cliton stuff" is retarded and frankly a little insulting.  If I'm supposed to 'suck it up' and vote for someone whose behavior I find repugnant, maybe you guys on the fiscal and defense side of the party should 'suck it up' for once if Huckabee wins the nomination. 

And by the way, if Rudy wins the nomination, I'm voting for him, not Hillary.  Because I'm not a freaking moron.

56

I reached the same conclusion a week ago. Glad I'm not the only one. But I won't panic until I see the actual votes that come out of Iowa. If Hucksterbee wins Iowa, New Hampshire and South Carolina, I'll just ignore politics all next year. Frankly, it would be quite freeing to not give a shit about the presidential election. Really, if Huckabee becomes the GOP nominee, my give-a-shit factor for the election won't event register in the pico-fuckit range.

57 As if Giuliani is true to conservative principles, or is it just the ones that matter to you?
As if Giuliani is significantly more electable than Huck against a Dem.
Nobody who's been paying attention likes Huckabee, but come on Ace you're being childish.

58 How many pico-fuckits are in a damn?

59 "They're sick of being ignored and belitted.  Nothing motivates the human spirit towards righteous anger better than a little condescension, and that's all these social values voters have gotten for years-- not just from the MSM (where it's expected) but now even the GOP itself."

You mean it's the Rudy fans' fault?  I actually believe that.  If we hadn't had this scenario where a big part of the party gets pissed on by the nominee choice, the reverse notion -- everyone ELSE getting pissed on -- would never have gone anywhere.

Of course, the only way either of these guys could top 50% in a two-man primary would be to run against each other...  Which would be a disaster all around.  We need NEITHER Huckster nor Rudy.

60 Grant,

As sympathetic I am to the fact that you and yours are being curb-stomped by the party on a regular basis, this is not the way.

Huckabee is a disaster. Why the heck can't you find a competent Baptist to vault into the limelight?

I'm a Jew, but if Michael Lerner were running for office I would personally throw a pie at him. I sure as heck wouldn't back him out of Jew-solidarity.

Snap out of it!

61

I'm with #55. These "Christianists" stuff envelopes and knock on doors before elections for the Repubican Party and get paid back with being told to get stuffed and knock it off for their efforts.

I'm not a Jesus thumper and have issues big time with these folks body- snatching my beloved GOP; but give them thier due, and realize that without a real leader that challenges the focus-group mentality of modern politics and offers to incorporate some sort of morality into the party line, we are lost.

Still, I look forward to seeing Ace linked at Andi Sullivan's site. 

62 Ace responded....   25 >>> I don't believe you

As Mark says, try me.      OOOh... Try me too.  I'm awfully good with a serving of Hobo

63 Maybe Hillary's schitk is on the money: it's inevitable that she's gonna win. And the right-wing evangelicals are going to help her. The Republicans don't seem to have anyone that is serious about checking government growth, lowering taxes, policing the borders, or keeping the country safe from terrorists and assorted tin horn dictators, etc. The Dems are so far gone that they hardly need mentioning, and have been so for a long time. Maybe both parties need a royal ass kicking/cleaning, just to get rid of the deadwood, asskissers, and the nutjobs. From that vantage point, maybe running Elmer Gantry against Lady MacBeth makes some kind of crazy sense: it will hasten the ushering of the much-needed cleanup in American politics, due to the fact that whomever is elected will throw the country into a wild disequilibrium. Not very encouraging, but possibly inevitable. All I know is that I've never seen such a pathetic field of candidates, or such an ignorant pack of voters as the country now has.

64 Grant,

Welcome to Moron Nation.

What exactly has he (or the GOP in general) done for the social con wing of the party?  Um... well, he nominated two swell guys to the Supreme Court who've done a total of NOTHING on issues that matter to us.  How about leading on the issue of Abortion?

That sort of gets to the point...what more can a President really do about abortion? How about stem cells? What else do you want a President to do on issues you care about?

Let me ask you and any Christian right voters here...are you really only about abortion? If the Democrats had a 'big tent' on that issue, would a lot of social cons feel at home there?

There's no doubt Rudy is a very liberal Republican but he's pretty good on some conservative issues (the war, taxes, school choice, law and order). He's a lot better than Huck or Hillary on them, that's for sure.



And please everyone..spare me the Rudy is a Democrat stuff. He's not and no he's not a perfect or even good conservative, just more conservative on a lot of things than Huck and Hillary.  I am not supporting him (though I could) or making the case for him. I am just making a couple of discrete points.

65

Grant,

Bush appointed two constitutionalists to the SC, stood his ground on embyonic stem cell research, eliminated partial birth abortion, and got rid of that scarey internet poker thing that causes people to turn to Satan.

What else was he supposed to accomplish at your behest? 

66

 

public...We have Romney to thank for Huckabee...

Give their laudidah the place it deserves.

Matthew 23

11But he that is greatest among you shall be your servant.

12And whosoever shall exalt himself shall be abased; and he that shall humble himself shall be exalted.

13But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.

14Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation.

15Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.

16Woe unto you, ye blind guides, which say, Whosoever shall swear by the temple, it is nothing; but whosoever shall swear by the gold of the temple, he is a debtor!

17Ye fools and blind: for whether is greater, the gold, or the temple that sanctifieth the gold?

18And, Whosoever shall swear by the altar, it is nothing; but whosoever sweareth by the gift that is upon it, he is guilty.

19Ye fools and blind: for whether is greater, the gift, or the altar that sanctifieth the gift?

20Whoso therefore shall swear by the altar, sweareth by it, and by all things thereon.

21And whoso shall swear by the temple, sweareth by it, and by him that dwelleth therein.

22And he that shall swear by heaven, sweareth by the throne of God, and by him that sitteth thereon.

23Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

24Ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel.

25Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess.

26Thou blind Pharisee, cleanse first that which is within the cup and platter, that the outside of them may be clean also.

27Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness.

28Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity.

29Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous,

30And say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets.

31Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets.

32Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers.

33Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?

Matthew 24

23Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.

24For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

25Behold, I have told you before.

26Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.

27For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

28For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.

 

67

Oh, and let's not forget Bush's faith-based initiatives.

I don't understand the complaints that social cons have with Bush.  He can't run down the street to the SC and order them to overturn Roe v Wade.  What more is he supposed to do?  Deliver a weekly sermon from the oval office?

68

I love this blog, but this is ridiculous.  All along this campaign all I've heard is "Hey, Christian conservative!  Suck it up and vote for Rudy or the Mormon guy!"

Selective motherfuckin hearing.

I'm sick of being responsible for the goddamn emotional insecurity of social conservatives.

SUCK IT UP SALLY.

Everything is 'religious right', 'religious right', the religious right we are told, again and again, is 'the base'. Where do people even bother to talk about libertarian/minarchist wing of the party? Nowhere. You bitch and bitch that you're so abused, like when Bush prohibits stem cell research but creates the largest compassionate entitlement program since F.D.Fuckin.R.

Get in line.

This blog has been all about teh Fred!, yet you bitch about Romney and Guiliani. You're told to choose between them and you're pissy. Hello? Fred? Have you actually been READING this blog or did you stop by to bitch?

And yeah, "the mormon". OoooOOOooOOOohh.

If Romney has any problem, it's that he's not mormon enough. He's waffled in the past. He's pledging all the right pledges now, but some don't buy it. Fine. Whatever.

But Mormons are about as socially conservative as social cons get.

It's a President, not a Pastor.

Yes, it's a crazy stupid religion. So are pentecostals. Big deal. He hasn't cut anyone's head off.

69 Keep them from getting bad press maybe?

Not like Huckster's going to help on that front.

70 The March for Life is 22 January.  Is he going to be there?  Nope, going to miss it again this year.

Seriously? 

71 Um... well, he nominated two swell guys to the Supreme Court who've done a total of NOTHING on issues that matter to us.

There aren't enough non-activist judges there yet.  If we pick Fred, we'll get more of them.  If we pick a loser (e.g. Huckabee), we'll get less.

How about leading on the issue of Abortion?  Nope, nothing there.

Bush did the only thing he can do, which is appoint good judges to the Supreme Court.  Anything else is just empty symbolism.

72

"All I know is that I've never seen such a pathetic field of candidates, or such an ignorant pack of voters as the country now has."

I wasn't very impressed with the Bush vs Kerry 08 choice.  I would go with McCain or Romney over Bush and somebody else instead of Kerry. It's always like this. One guy can't communicate or name half the countries in Eastern Europe and the other guy doesn't even know what he is supposed to believe because the "test group" is running late.  Why do they win the nominations?

 

I knew it was going to be Huck because he is the last guy (actually second if you count R. Paul) I would want to vote for. Now I  am just waiting for Richardson to get involved on the Dem side and the process will be ready to begin.

73 Posted by: Warden at December 11, 2007 04:57 PM (QoR4a)

Not to mention his executive order banning federal funds to international family planning groups that offer abortion or abortion counseling and standing up during the Terri Schiavo controversy.

74 Huck's been swarmed. It'll take the polls a week or two to catch up as re-awakened Christian voters decide where to turn (or churn). They may even wait until after Christmas. Good thing Huck's been exposed now rather than at whatever point he'd come up for VP consideration. He may have opened the door for someone other than Romney in the early states, though Romney is now in the position to rescue the party from him by exceeding suddenly lowered expectations in Iowa. Still think that's a needle's eye. Good timing for Fred, for once, to be available in Iowa. Good timing for John to be available in NH.

75 With a Republican president, the Democratic controlled Congress would fight tooth and nail (or at least pretend to) against any aggressive foreign policy. A Democratic president, in contrast, would get a lot more leeway. Think about it: if Hillary Clinton - who would certainly be ready to wield a big stick to prove she has balls - wanted to preemptively strike Iran, she would get a lot of support from hawkish Republicans and party line Democrats. In fact, Hillary Clinton is probably the ONLY candidate who could maintain a prolonged and aggressive military campaign in the middle east.

With that said, when faced with a choice between Clinton, who I abhor on every policy issue except her willingness to play the hawk, and Huckabee, who would single handedly destroy the Republican party's claim to be the "limited government" title and usher in a new era of Statism and 'daddy' government, I will vote for Hillary. Plus, it would give me the progressive  rhetorical bonus of being able to say "I voted for Hillary, so now I have absolute moral authority to criticize Democrats".

I would vote for ANY candidate in either major party (including Ron Paul and excluding John Edwards) before I voted for Huckabee.

76

Good point, Slu.  Forgot all about Schiavo.

I think that social cons have gotten far more out of Bush than fiscal conservatives or small gov't Republicans.

77

I can respect some positions social cons take and tolerate others, but many of the leaders in the "evangelic" movement are pricks. I don't want to be in Pat Robertsons party. I'm not going to vote for a canidate who will spend federal money to put saddles on all the dinosaurs in our museums. I don't want a candidate who thinks Jesus wants him to win the election (jesus will be busy helping Hughes defeat St. Pierre anyway) and I don't want any "Putin Wears A Cross" moments in our foreign policy.

78

Bush appointed two constitutionalists to the SC, stood his ground on embyonic stem cell research, eliminated partial birth abortion, and got rid of that scarey internet poker thing that causes people to turn to Satan.

* * *

Not to mention his executive order banning federal funds to international family planning groups that offer abortion or abortion counseling and standing up during the Terri Schiavo controversy.

Then of course there's Bush's war on porn and "obscenity" that's turning the FBI into a goddamned joke.  And his support of abstinence education programs for sexually active high school kids, which make war on common sense by refusing to even broach the subject of jimmy hats.

79 Fuck the Evangelicals.  I've defended them for so long for on so many things despite their being, well you know, first class whack jobs...but this is pretty much the end.

Besides, it's pretty clear that all their preachers are gay.

80 I think that social cons have gotten far more out of Bush than fiscal conservatives or small gov't Republicans.

I agree, but you'd never know it with all the whining.

81

Grant,

Welcome to Moron Nation.

ditto.

DrewM, to answer your question, I'm an evangelical Christian who thinks Huckabee is a knucklehead.  I could/would vote for Rudy.

 

Hell at this point I could vote for J-Mac.

 

 

82 There's something seriously wrong over in the Jesus wing of the tent.

Except on abortion, Hillary, Obama and Edwards are at least as "Christian right" as Huckabee (i.e., not, but they hang Jesus talk around their mostly righter-than-Huck positions). But this isn't about abortion.

No Republican candidate except Ron Paul can be trusted to do anything about it ("judges" or whatever) that the Jesus gang wants. But they're not for Paul. They're not even for Rudy, who's full of shit, yes, but lying to them just they way they like to be lied to. They're for Nanny Huck.

Why not Hillary? She'll bomb some motherfuckers. Why not Obama? Why not Edwards? They've got the televangelist schtick down. They're the same fucking guy as Huck. Only less leftist. So why him?

What's your secret?

Stop lying.

83 This last weekend, I housesat for my sister, who has HBO, and I got to see that documentary about Barry Goldwater called Mr. Conservative.  By the time the end credits rolled, I was balling my eyes out.  We will never have it that good again.

84 Why am I not suprised to see the "party base" commit suicide with this idiot Huckabee? I'd say I was disappointed if I didn't fully expect it from the current state of the GOP. Thats why I left the party, that left me. I'd rather vote for no one instead of the lessor of two evils, and in this case its a tie for evil and stupidity. Is there really a difference between Huckabee and Clinton besides his vagina being bigger and looser?

85 Grant writes:

The Christian right sucked it up repeatedly for the GOP and recieved damn little in return for the money and work we provide as the base of the party.

Faith-based initiatives.
Presidential support for a Federal Marriage Amendment. (Which, by the way, divides the party by geographic region. Thanks.)
Marriage Amendments in 27 states.
Congress bans partial-birth abortion.
Terri Schiavo (Which also divided the party. Thanks.)
Embryonic stem cell funding prohibition.

Um... well, he nominated two swell guys to the Supreme Court who've done a total of NOTHING on issues that matter to us.

Alito and Roberts upheld Nebraska's partial birth abortion ban in Gonzales v. Carhart.

86 Yeah, that's the way to go. Let's throw another pissy hissy fit and either vote Dem or stay home. Like the last elections -by the way, how'd that work out for ya?
So go ahead. One more imbecilic tantrum should do it. Only this time, you get Hill & Bill in the White House, veto proof, total Dem dominance in the house and senate, and the nutcase left shoving it's entire agenda down your throats with impunity.
But wait!!! As an added bonus for those deep thinkers and whiny, idiot, gutless bitcheswho are gonna stay home or vote dem, you can kiss the supreme court goodbye for the forseable future --BRILLIANT!!!

87

He will never, never, never win head to head with Hillary.

The media that loves him now will turn on him like a rabid dog.

A Clinton (whom they worship) vs. born again that wants to put Christian values into public policy?

It won't be pretty to watch.

88 Damn, all that was mentioned while I was writing and some good one's I forgot:

Anti-porn efforts.
The internet gambling ban.
Abstinence education only.

Grant, quitcher whining.

89

Ace,

I am with you on this one.  It is painful to say, but you are so right - we (conservatives) would be so much better off with a real liberal as President than an "uber-Christian social con" who wants a Nanny state and is more naive on foreign policy than my two year old son.  His statements about Iran, for example, could easily have come out of Jimmy Carter or Sean Penn's mouth.  Even Hillary, shrewd enough to know that she actually would have to govern were she elected, would not issue such useless pabulum like implementing the Golden Rule with respect to foreign policy. 

The Republican party needs to implode and the conservative movement needs to start from scratch if Huckabee wins the nomination.

90 Grant -  seriously, what else do you want a Republican president to do?  Even if he could somehow get some strong anti-abortion legislation passed, the courts would just kill it.  I have a lot of beefs with Bush, but I think he's held the line on socials issues as well as he could.  The country is way too evenly divided to use a constitutional amendment, and anything short of that will just be struck down by the courts.  All that said, I think most sensible Republicans recognize how much the Social Cons contribute to the party, so let them know exactly what you want.

91 I think that social cons have gotten far more out of Bush than fiscal conservatives or small gov't Republicans.

Agreed. If it wasn't for 9/11 and Iraq I would have wanted to see Bush have a conservative primary challenge in 04 (like his dad faced  in '94, but with some not so nutty as Buchanan in the role of the challenger).


I'm an evangelical Christian

DiT...I did not know that. Granted the 'Christian Right' is no more monolithic than any other voting bloc but I would think/hope it stands for something in addition to opposition to abortion.

(You curse a lot here. If there's a church that's cool with that, I may have a shot after all. Good to know.)

92 > if Huckabee gets the nomination, I'm voting Democratic. ... If we're going to have eight years of liberal rule, I'd rather the Democratic Party be governing, so at least they can take the blame.

Shockingly, I'm on board with that logic. The Repubs can recover from 4 years of Hillary but 4 years of a Republican Jimmy Carter would hurt the party AND country even more.

How about this nightmare race. Huck v Obama? AKA Carter v Carter!!!

93 http://wisegloden.blogsavy.com/2007/12/11/huckabee-takes-the-lead-in-ga/

94

jesus will be busy helping Hughes defeat St. Pierre anyway

Finally, someone says something fuckin sensible!

No way in hell Jesus would support a Frenchie against a god fearing rural All-American wrestler like Hughes...even if he is a Quebecois Frenchie....and seemingly a fairly good one as that sort go.

95

Dave in Texas: Hell at this point I could vote for J-Mac.

Right.  As soon as you do, as soon as he gets the nomination, you wanna know what he does?

Select Huck as Veep.  What?  You think he's gonna name some immigration restrictionist?  Some anti-McCain-Feingoldist?  Some water-boading-lovin'-torturist?  Those are non-negotiables with him. 

McCain-Huck '08

The Stickin' It In The Eye Of As Many Conservatives As We Can Tour

UPDATE: Conservatives Respond: We'll poke our own eyes out, thank you very much.

FURTHER UPDATE: Huckabee Responds: Good.  It would be a sin not to vote for me and Jesus said in such situations you should gouge your eyes out.

96

Posted by: Ruralist at December 11, 2007 05:40 PM (jjNS6)

moronic fake name moronism.

97 Chill out, people. Conservatives in Iowa have not gone mad; it's a case of easily rectified ignorance. This election is still mostly about illegal immigration. The Romney ad sinks F*ckabee before the irst present is opened.

98

Is Ross Perot dead yet?

Can we bring him back?

Nominate him on a GOP ticket instead of splitting the vote?

I'll call Larry King, get some slots booked...

99
Oh, and let's not forget Bush's faith-based initiatives.

I'm an atheist and I love faith-base initiatives. There are hundreds of these small faith based programs in LA and they are the most effective in helping the people I deal with (the dregs of the earth).

100 My foreign policy: get them before they get us.

101 I'm in complete and total astonishment that any more than 1-2% of the population are fooled by this guys bs act. I had already made my mind up when the Huckabee surge started that, not only wouldn't I vote for the guy and would in fact vote for virtually anyone the Dems put against him but I would also vote straight Democratic on my ballot and change my party affiliation. I would rather try to take over and change the Dems back to the old style blue dog conservative dems than back a party beholden to a group of people (evangelicals etc) who are so easily fooled and with whom I, as a fiscal conservative/social moderate/libertarianish person, have apparently nothing in common or nothing in common that they won't sell it out in a New York minute to get "one of their own" in office so he can nibble around the edges of gay marraige and abortion. Here's something else for all you evangelicals, I personally don't care whether gay people get married and the only reason you do is because you are bigoted against gays. There I said it but I've been thinking it for years. Perhaps you're not so much bigoted against them as much as you just don't want to give them a "win" and hate their way of life but either way it's hard not to detect the animosity. Also, in many ways you guys are just as bad a liberals in that you are not shy about trying to impose your religion (you=christianity, them-secularism/enviromentalism etc) on others via the government. I used to think the Dems were a lot worse but that was before I found out your entire Political value system was secondary to "purity" on the abortion and gay marraige issues. Basically what you guys are saying is: "I'll trade a guy who has always been against abortion and gay marriage (even though he won't be able to do much about it) for the principles of limited goverment, border enforcement, toughness on crime, low taxes and every other damn thing the Republican Party used to stand for". Sorry long rant. This whole deal is just pissing me off so much. Special thanks to the media for helping to engineer this thing by not really reporting on Huckabee's many weaknesses. I'm sure they'll get that corrected in time for the general election, bastards.

102
(You curse a lot here. If there's a church that's cool with that, I may have a shot after all. Good to know.)

Drew:  Maybe, you and Ace can form your own Church of the Fringey.

103 My post had paragraph breaks in it when I wrote it.

104

You curse a lot here

Bad back.

 

I'm not a one issue voter, I'm a conservative voter.  Huckabee looks more like Carter than Carter did.

105 We had this fight back before '06 didn't we? Those of us who agreed to hold our noses and vote republlican sure got a great payback. Maybe it's time to kill the party in order to save it? ell, let's see: At least when a Democrat gets into office the press will start talking about how great the economy is, so people will start buying with confidence. The war will all of a sudden be something worth fighting, and, oh by the way, we are winning now. The only problem with all this, the thing that throws it out the window for me, is that it will reward the asshats for the scorched earth policy they have been playing for the last seven years. The Press will prove to themselves that the breaking of their compact with telling the truth was worth the occasional Rather and Beachampembarrassments. Well worth the cost, in their estimation.

The one reason I will still vote republican is to deny the MSM/Kos/Democrat crowd the satisfaction of crowing about how well their strategy worked. It's sure working right now. If they still win it all, it won't be because of my vote (or lack thereof). If they are insufferable now, wait till they win.

By the way, once Huckabee gets the nod, the press will absolutely cut him to pieces. On both sides of the issues. He has no idea how bad it will come, and he will not be ready for it when it does. He can't be the nominee, or we're sunk.

106 Drew:  Maybe, you and Ace can form your own Church of the Fringey.
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107

Ace,

It isn't me thats pushing Huckabee, and I don't live in a state where my primary vote is early enough to really matter.  If I had the say it would be Rudy, Fred or Mitt.  That said, I cannot see helping one of the Democratic cantidates, nor giving up even the possibility of having some conservative influence in the WH.

Bush isn't exactly a conservative, but at least when the people screamed about Meirs and Illegal Amnesty v2.0 someone was listening.   

108 Remember also, the vote you give the democrats is one more step toward a "Popular Mandate" and absolute nose sniffing confidence that the country wants the nanny it gets.

109

Remember also, the vote you give the democrats is one more step toward a "Popular Mandate" and absolute nose sniffing confidence that the country wants the nanny it gets.

Hey, don't want it that way?  Better find a way to convince some evangelicals not to be such Huckabee-fellating single-issue morons pretty damn quick.

110 This last weekend, I housesat for my sister, who has HBO, and I got to see that documentary about Barry Goldwater called Mr. Conservative.  By the time the end credits rolled, I was balling my eyes out.  

Posted by: Mark V. at December 11, 2007 05:24 PM (dZ4mk)

Dude, we're having a serious conversation here. No one wants to listen to you brag about how you got some last weekend.

111 Nader has my vote locked up if Huckabee takes the nomination.

112 I agree with you save for one thing.

Instead of voting for Hillary, Donald Duck will be my write in candidate, if Huckabee wins the nomination.

My party is making me sick. From this stupid idiotic non-issue issue of Romney's Mormonism, to selling out everything else the party is supposed to stand for because Huckabee is a devout Christian, and is (supposedly) strong on social values. Can't say I support letting a dangerous rapist back out on the street so he can kill someone. Is that being strong on social values? On punishment fitting the crime?

If we nominate Huck, then we deserve to lose. And I will take some solace in that we fumbled the election ourselves, and a worthy candidate was not defeated by liberalism.

Really freakin' brilliant, GOP.

113 Mike K. -

Don't worry, the rapists being let back on the street are humble Christians. It's not like they're athiest or Muslims criminal.

114

Chill, people.

Chucklebee ain't gonna get the GOP nod. He's the flavor of the week, is all.

He'll be gone in no time. One pinprick will pop his balloon.

The candidate will be Rudy or Mitt. Probably Rudy. And the world will make sense again.

Namaste.

 

 

 

115 I've been saying the same thing in the comments section of this blog (and elsewhere) since Fuckabee became a possibility.
I will not vote for Jimmuh Carter with an R behind his name.

116 we (conservatives) would be so much better off with a real liberal as President

Hillary is no real liberal. Hillary is just another authoritarian ass wearing the mask.  JFK was a liberal, Hillary isn't even in the same league as he was.

117 (Walks into room with can of gasoline and a pack of matches. Opens can, shakes gasoline all of the place. Steps back, lights match and throws...)

If we lose the War those people left alive - I will not be one of them - will be living under Sharia law. There will be no gay marriage and no abortion.

Happy?

If anyone can say it would be better to live under Sharia than to continue to permit abortion then the conversation is over. That is the mentality that is supporting Huckabee no matter what his views on anything else. And yet these people have the nerve to call their opponents Republicans In Name Only.

Better than being an American In Name Only.

(Starts to leave room, remembers is Canadian and does not have a vote anyway. Please God, let America choose wisely. You are all that stands between us and the storm.)

118 "voting Hillary in protest is a very bad idea, and here's why:

A vote for Hillary will be interpreted as support for her, her agenda and the Dems in general.  It won't be viewed by either party, the MSM or general public as dissatisfaction with the Repubican nominee, and thus doesn't encourage the Republican party to start backing candidates that are conservative on more than just Gays, Guns and God (in Huck's case).

However, simply sitting it out or voting 3rd party would almost certainly be viewed as a lack of support for the Republican nominee- that sends a message that we're mad as hell and not going to take it."

I think this is right on the hickey-doo

No shit - every time the dimms win anything, by whatever means, they announce they have a "mandate." They did it in the last election, where the vote could HARDLY be called a mandate. Didn't matter - they won - so it's a mandate to do whateverthehell liberal bullshit they want to do.

I agree - sit it out - and that's exactly what I'll do if that moron gets the GOP nod. It will solidify the notion that Republicans are morons. They'd be right. Or left.

At least I won't have to change my registration from Rep. to whatever. I already did that during the immigration debacle.

119 "No shit - every time the dimms win anything, by whatever means, they announce they have a "mandate." They did it in the last election, where the vote could HARDLY be called a mandate. Didn't matter - they won - so it's a mandate to do whateverthehell liberal bullshit they want to do."

Yeah, well, it didn't really help them much this time.

120 Gov. Huckabee is certainly no worse a candidate that Gov. Bush was at this point in the 2000 cycle--and is no worse from the standpoint of policy. If the issue is that we don't want another Pres. Bush in the Oval Office, then make that point. As for the choice between Gov. Huckabee and any of the Democrats, if you're serious about betraying your party to make such a childish point, then more power to you. Don't expect other Republicans who work their tail off in the elections to give a hoot.

121

who at the RNC let Hillary and Bill pick this group of republican candidates. If a republican wins -it will be because they offer more leftist marxist hope than the leading dem candidate.

 

I could vote for Fred or Duncan, but surely  with 300 million folks in this country we can find one traditional values conservative candidate

122

Right there with you:

http://gullyborg.typepad.com/weblog_archive/2007/12/huckabee-women.html

Huck will destroy the GOP.  On the plus side, if he does win the nomination, his defeat in the general will be so severe it will permanently end the importance of idiots like Dr. Dobson.  Maybe then, after 4 years of Obama, the GOP can get back to conservative fundamentals.

But God help us if there is another 9/11 under the Obama in Chief!

123 As a non-religious conservative it would be better to vote for the Democrat than the Huck.

124 FUCK YOU!!!!

125 Took your nickname of The Huckster and went one step past it. Found the ideal picture of The Huckster (even bears a resemblence to him in more ways than one).

Click here.

126

Praise the Lord! Rev Mike takes a page from Huey Long's book. And you Yankees thought Huey was long forgotten! Hallaleeluya!

And he is #1 in IA and in SC!

Praise the Lord!

Amen!

127

I lived in Arkansas when the Clintons were in power and through Huckabee's terms. I will literally leave the US if Hillary is elected. (I have the option; family in other countries).

Anyone who thinks she is a better choice than Huckabee, is in for a nightmare.

128

Come on wingnuts, huckleberry is a wingnut preacher.

Damn, I am out of popcorn.

Bwa.

129

Thank you for voting Hillary.

Our country has major problems and needs experienced leaders.

It takes a Clinton to clean up after a bush.

130 Just what "experience" does Shrillary have? What has she ever accomplished other than hitch her wagon to Bill? None of the Democrats have the qualifications for the presidency ... I might vote for Richardson but he has no chance. Kookcinich? Bwahahahahahaha. Osama Obama? An empty suit. The Breck Girl? $400 haircuts and his mansion? Like a trial lawyer who channeled a dead girl to get his first million can relate to anything we're going through out here?

131 On "The Decline and Fall of American Conservatism"

http://www.theobjectivestandard.com/issues/2006-fall/decline-fall-american-conservatism.asp

132 I didn't vote for Carter in '76 (among other reasons, because I was 9) and I won't vote for him in '08.  Period.  This is non-negotiable.  If the GOP wants my vote it damn well better not nominate Jimmy Huckabee Carter.

133 I kind of liked Huckabee (and I like McCain and Obama and Edwards, so maybe that should be the kiss of death around here) until some of his nastiest and most idiotic beliefs were recently brought to my attention (I'm in S. Korea and
not plugged into the cable news cycle though I still read the papers and blogs).  But even if I agreed with all of his policies and thought he was well prepared (ha!), I'm Jewish and he seems to be making it starkly clear that he is interested in being only a "Christian leader."  The Christmas message was weird (starting off a political ad with a denunciation of political ads).  It wasn't offensive, but if Huckabee doesn't think I'm the kind of person who should support him who am I to disagree?

134 "Just what "experience" does Shrillary have? What has she ever accomplished other than hitch her wagon to Bill? None of the Democrats have the qualifications for the presidency ... I might vote for Richardson but he has no chance. Kookcinich? Bwahahahahahaha. Osama Obama? An empty suit. The Breck Girl? $400 haircuts and his mansion? Like a trial lawyer who channeled a dead girl to get his first million can relate to anything we're going through out here?"

Given the grounds you choose for disqualifying the others, I'm sure your potential support of Richardson would vanish the moment someone tells you he's Latino.  So who's your preferred candidate, with his small house, cheap haircut and deep understanding of the common man?

135 * PS to post 133,

I guess I'm used to presidential candidates pandering obnoxiously to Jews and it's odd to see one write us off completely by being so exclusive in his pandering.  Even Romney tried to be sort of inclusive, even if his real point was to play up the similarities and avoid mentioning the differences between Protestantism and Mormonism (fuck it, you can figure out for yourselves whether you're all Christians or not.)

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