1 I'll go out on a limb here....she's lying.  She's probably also insane.  Rape kits don't just "go missing" from military hospitals.

2 This is a real question:  Is there cell phone service in the Green Zone, and could one place a phone call to Texas from it?

3 I'd go as far as to call her Beauchampian.  Good on ABC news for falling for it...I guess the media companies really are on a race to see who can lose credibility fastest.

4 I don't want to jump to conclusions, but like William Defoe's character in Boondock Saints put it, "This is bad television".

5

You know, I've got Republican friends. They're nice people. But they're not quite that willing to lend a hand, you know?

It's all in the way you ask, Ace.

6

ABC = All Bull Crap

20/20 is what they have been drinking.

Didn't anyone in the MSM learn from the Duke Rape Case?

7 Sorry, girl, Sharpton won't help you on this one.

8 This is an obvious lie. Haliburton always hands over its gang rape victims to Blackhawk for a debriefing.

9 Where are the arrests?  Surely, the State Dept. folks arrested those around the container when they "rescued" her?

10 Shouldn't we at least wait for an investigation before hammering the woman, accusing her of being a liar?

Anybody here know anyone who's been raped?

It doesn't sound like it.

11 This was over 2 years ago?  hmmmm.

12 Actually, yes, Tom.

So, STFU.

13 Since the attack, Jones has started a nonprofit foundation called the Jamie Leigh Foundation, which is dedicated to helping victims who have been raped or sexually assaulted overseas while working for government contractors or other corporations.

Excellent.

14

any problems with cell phones working in shipping containers? Would the military hand over the rape kits to the employer she alleges kidnapped her? Did any of her attackers ever play lacrosse?

15

hmmmm, a cell phone that a grunt/guard level guy just happened to have was able to call Texas?  hmmmmmm

I can find out, but it will take a couple of days.

16 Techie,
Suck my dick.

17 Wow, I'm speechless. 

18

^{Jones told ABCNews.com that an examination by Army doctors showed she had been raped "both vaginally and anally," but that the rape kit disappeared after it was handed over to KBR security officers.}

...so after you "rescue" her from KBR security officers, you then give them the evidence? Okie, I buy the story!

Didn't you hear polynikes that KBR hired the entire Duke lacrosse team, along with Kobe Bryant?

19

<sup>Shouldn't we at least wait for an investigation before hammering the woman, accusing her of being a liar?

Anybody here know anyone who's been raped?

It doesn't sound like it.</sup>

I was raped. My eyes experience unwanted penetration of your words. Please fail at life less, or kill yourself, kthx?

20 I tend to think there may be some kernel of truth here, but it has been adjusted to better fit The Narrative.  Look, KBR and others employee a lot of non-Americans in places like Iraq, many of them from places with rather retrograde views on women.  So I guess I can beleive that the rape part may well have happened.  The "gang" part maybe - is two a gang?  Some of the other stuff rings less true - why confine her under  armed guard?  Maybe for her own protection, though that seems odd.  I do not believe that the Army would hand over a rape kit to a private company.  That just seems antithetical to the beaurocratic nature of the beast.  I also question why this was not brought forward sooner.

21

Soldiers in Iraq use their cels to call home all the time.  Anyone stationed there long-term would likely have that ability on their phone - no that it's cheap.

22 There's nothing like a bunch of Neanderthals making light of a woman who may have been raped.

Why not run some of your comments by your wives or girlfriends and see if they share your opinion that she must be lying.

See if they think it's as hilarious as you appear to think it is.

23 Reserve judgement. No need to hurry. If ABC is pushing the story that is up to them. Her lawyers are motivated in another way and will say anything.

There is plenty to investigate. Army doctors, a Congressman, medical records, employees, guards, the sympathic guard, phone records, the observations of those who got her out (if it happened that way).

When did this happen? Did the Congressman demand followup from the state department and the Secretary of the Army?

Rape as policy simply isn't. But women do get raped.

24

Gang rapes are exceedingly rare. Whenever I hear of one in the news, it sets my BS antennae twitching. Among female schizophrenics it's common to have hallucinations about being repeatedly raped along with governement conspiracies to cover it up. This case has both aspects.

In my lifetime I can only think of two publicized gang rapes that actually occured, the 'wilding' in NYC back in the 80's and some high school kids in Orange county who raped a retarded girl. All the rest: hoaxes.

25

^{Why not run some of your comments by your wives or girlfriends and see if they share your opinion that she must be lying.}

I not only did I run it by my imaginary girlfriend, but my houseboy Paco, and your mom, who had a total of 9 ejaculations.

BTW anyone see how Tom moves from a personal note to personal note? It's always "if you don't know someone gay, you're a moron" or "if you don't know someone raped, you're a liar" or "if I had some testicles, I may actually try to debate".

26

Anybody here know anyone who's been raped?

It doesn't sound like it.

Yes.  Your mom.  Now go tell her to stop calling me already.

27 This is from her journal at the link:

July 26, 2005 US/ July 27 Baghdad- I sent several e-mails to management to ask to be moved into a container because I was experiencing cat calls even when I was walking through the barrack to get to the restroom. I received the response that I would be fine if I “go to the spa." There was no spa in Greenzone, Baghdad . I started socializing with some Halliburton/ KBR employees, including approximately four or so firefighters. One of these men prepared me a drink and joked that there were no “rooffies” in it, and handed it to me. After having a couple sips, I passed out. I was drugged.

July 28, 2005 US/ July 29 Baghdad- I awoke the next morning in the barracks to find my naked body battered and bruised. I was still groggy from whatever had been put in my drink. I was bleeding from between my legs and my breast implants were severely disfigured. (I found out later that my attackers tore my pectoral muscles due to the brutality of the attack). One of the men who had raped me was brazen enough to be lying in the bottom bunk of my assigned bunk bed. After getting to the clinic and having a rape kit performed, and pictures taken of my bruising, I was locked in a container with no food, no way to call my parents, and was placed under armed guard by Halliburton. I did not have access to soap, toiletries, a tooth brush, or any of my belongings. I was unable to leave, therefore I was imprisoned. After some time, one of the guards allowed me to use his cell phone out of sympathy. I called my father back in Houston, who quickly contacted Congressman Ted Poe, who then initiated a Congressional Inquiry to get me out of Baghdad . At this point I was in a state of shock, severely traumatized, and was scared for my life.

July 29, 2005 US/ July 30 Baghdad- The state department took me to a male psychiatrist to help me stop crying. I was recommended “no caffeine.” Halliburton had a meeting with me and I was told that if I went home, I would not have assurance that my job would be held. I was also informed that there is no medical leave for injured contractors.

Emphasis added.

Happened over three days, the rape,the imprisonment and the daring rescue. 

28 Shipping containers work like giant Faraday cages.  They use them on <i>Mythbusters</i> for that purpose (including testing cell phone myths, since a cell phone <i>can't transmit in or receive from</i> a shipping container.

29

Oh, yeah, mid July in Iraq in a shipping container for 24 hours, no drinks?  And waking up from some kind of 2 day bender/rape crisis?

She'd be dead of dehydration.

We're talking about a 20 year old single female with breast implants who went to work as a civvie contractor in a war zone.  If you are a 20 year old single female who does something really, really stupid, and does it in a foreign country, what are you going to tell your daddy to have him save you?

30 All in all, I am now very interested in seeing the case.

31

Tom:

We're not "making light of a woman who might have been raped", you fucking moron.  Did anyone say "ha ha, she was raped, how funny"?  We're questioning the veracity of her story, based on the information available.  Do we live in a totalitarian state where people are not free to question stories that sound a bit fishy?

32 I am not accusing this woman of anything but hey what a great business decision to sue Haliburton.  What an angle! How can you lose? What jury wouldn't find them guilty of anything and everything after 6 years of the media demonizing them. CHA-CHING!

33 Was also interesting to see that Halliburton sold off KBR.  Must have ran out of places to stack all the crazy illegal-war money.

34 This alleged attack took place 2 1/2 years ago..and this is the first time it has ever been reported, and the story includes a Congressman?

And the report surfaces when there is limited bad news from Iraq?

35

Since the attack, Jones has started a nonprofit foundation called the Jamie Leigh Foundation, which is dedicated to helping victims who have been raped or sexually assaulted overseas while working for government contractors or other corporations.

In other words, all the money goes to this chick.

36

Is she going to hire Mike Nifong to represent her?

He's familiar with these sort of charges.  Oh, wait, Mikey doesn't have a law license anymore.

Kemp

37

If a woman never made a false claim of rape, we would believe every woman when she said she was raped, but too many of us have heard too many women make false claims for some kind of gain.  What really pisses me off is when these liar's girlfriends let them say their bullshit without telling them to shut the fuck up because these false claims only hurt other women's credibility when they really get raped.

38

An afterthought. What the hell is her picture doing up on Drudge? If I as a woman went through what she alleges I certainly wouldn't be supplying the media with a cheesecake picture of myself. Unless of course she is like Valerie Plame the undercover FBI agent who never met a camera she didn't like.

39 My scrotum is smooth.

40 The book and screenplay are already in the works..

from the Press page of her Foundations Website

"20/20, Good Morning America, and Nightline

Jamie is making a public statement on to encourage relief for victims by bringing awareness to "The Jamie Leigh Foundation."

Tom Whitus, with Silver Hills Pictures options screenplay
A screenplay is now in development about Jamie's experiences in Iraq.

"Deserted" has been written by Jamie Leigh
Jamie is currently in the process of obtaining an editor and publisher, in order to release her story to bring awareness to the tragedies of being raped in Iraq while working for one of our largest US Army Contractors."

41

 

I also have impossibly large testicles.

 

42

I find it hard to believe the US or even the evil Halliburton would cover up a gang rape.

 Dude.

Is there cell phone service in the Green Zone, and could one place a phone call to Texas from it?

Dude.

She's probably also insane. Rape kits don't just "go missing" from military hospitals.

Dude.

Some of the other stuff rings less true - why confine her under armed guard?  I do not believe that the Army would hand over a rape kit to a private company.

Dude.

Gang rapes are exceedingly rare. . . . In my lifetime I can only think of two publicized gang rapes that actually occurred.

 

Dude.

 

Shipping containers work like giant Faraday cages. 

 

Dude.

 

We're not "making light of a woman who might have been raped"…We’re questioning the veracity of her story.

 

Dude.

 

Shouldn't we at least wait for an investigation before hammering the woman, accusing her of being a liar?

 

Dude.

 

Unless of course she is like Valerie Plame the undercover FBI agent who never met a camera she didn't like.

 

Dudette?

43

Let's cool it with the "she made it up" stuff guys- it seems unlikely if her congressman and the state department was involved and she was seen by a doctor- someone who's going to make something like that up is going to come up with a story less easily confirmed or denied- like the Duke stripper's story

It's possible that she was isolated- perhaps to protect her from retaliation, and it's possible she's exaggerating slightly, but this doesn't strike me as a "she made it all up" kind of story.  It's also possible that KBR is trying to keep things quiet- they really can't use negative publicity right now.

As for the government aspect of it- the article mentioned that the contractors are in sort of a legal grey area not subject to the American legal system, so a full blown coverup wouldn't be necessary if there's nothing they can do anyways.

44

 

Anyone want a hummer?

45

Not sure if this has been posted yet, but the case is posted at http://docs.justia.com/cases/federal/district-courts/texas/txedce/1:2007cv00295/103217/1/ (sorry, I can NOT figure out how to use the link button).

She sounds like a nutter, and so does the attorney who filed this complaint.

46

Marvin, oh, so 20/20 is just helping with publicity for her movie and book.  That's OK then.

Hollowpoint--her congressman responded to a constituent's call, and was able to get the girl out of there. 

She says a doctor/some doctors saw her, confirmed rape....but do any of these doctors who treated her there appear in the segment?

Army doctors aren't just going to callously release her after doing a rape kit...especially if she had such serious injuries.

47 I was raped by a jar of vaseline and a pumpkin.

48 Oh - here's the docket.  Each pleading is worth a read. Revelatory, from the "container" she was "imprisoned" in being a trailer, to the quality of her attorney's reading comprehension skillz.

49

Poe just wants her to have her day in court:

In his interview with ABC News, Rep. Poe said he sided with Jones.

"Air things out in a public forum of a courtroom," said Rep. Poe. "That's why we have courts in the United States."

50

"my breast implants" 

Young chicks with breast implants are usually pretty crazy.  No the most reliable or trustworthy human beings.

51 "shipping container" = "air conditioned trailer" now?  Well, that explains why she didn't die of dehydration in the 130 degree heat.

52

"shipping container" = "air conditioned trailer" now?  Well, that explains why she didn't die of dehydration in the 130 degree heat.

That's actually quite plausible- shipping containers were in fact used for housing early in the war.

53 I can flat out tell you that if state department employees had rescued her from that con-ex, the story would have been all over the Embassy and the "Zone" the next day.
And the RSO and probably the DCM would have had the ranking Haliburton and or KBR rep in his office at the Embassy that same day; from where they would have all gone over and had a nice long talk with the Ambo. And then it would have gotten really ugly.

So I'm going to go with BS for the story with an outside possibility that she got drunk with some dude and had a bad case of the "next-day-sorrys" - 2 1/2 years later.

54

Hollowpoint, not for 24 hours straight, in late July, with no food or drink.  And the army docs would not have sent her out of the hospital/clinic with the injuries she is claiming...and would not have sent her back to her assailants.

This is just like the Beauchamp claim of the burned woman getting tormented in the DFAC/chow hall.....no fucking way.

You wouldn't believe how much sexual harrassment/assault "training" military officers have to attend.  It has to be even worse for the medical corps.  To believe her story you have to believe the worst of military medical people.  That won't be any problem for leftists, of course.

55

Hollowpoint--her congressman responded to a constituent's call, and was able to get the girl out of there. 

She says a doctor/some doctors saw her, confirmed rape....but do any of these doctors who treated her there appear in the segment?

Army doctors aren't just going to callously release her after doing a rape kit...especially if she had such serious injuries.

It's not clear what treatment she was given, but again it's too easily confirmed or denied that she was as badly injured as she claims- that's not something one would generally make up if false.  And I don't see wanting to draw that much scrutiny right away.

Usually when these stories are made up it's a he said / she said sort of thing along with a story that isn't easily proven or disproven- few if any injuries, a doctor exam that could point either way, a delay in reporting, etc.  I'm not seeing that here. 

56 Her deposition says "immediately following the examination she was placed in a trailer with a bed, shower and sink, but no television..."

That is just from glancing through the first document.  The Vestigial Media is as fucking useless as ever.  The should put boxes on peoples televisions and anyone caught watching that shit should not be allowed to vote.

57 Usually when these stories are made up it's a he said / she said sort of thing along with a story that isn't easily proven or disproven- few if any injuries, a doctor exam that could point either way, a delay in reporting, etc.  I'm not seeing that here.

You aren't seeing it because they are spinning the story.  Hard.

There is a picture at the ABC site of her private room, the top bunk is made up the bottom is not, she slept in the top.  According to her deposition the next morning when she woke up there was a dude in the bottom bunk who readily admitted fucking her.  It seems likely she could have gotten shit faced, fucked consensually, then fell out of bed and knocked her falsies loose.  Just sayin'...

58 Did a really quick search on her name and in the first two pages there were stories from May, 2007, about a week or so after the papers were filed.  That's almost two years after the alleged incident took place.

Sorry, but whether the actual crime took place as she described it or not, the whole thing seems fishy.  From the "foundation in my name" to the fact that this is hitting the news shows less than one year from an election when the name of the company has become synonymous with Republikkan EVIL, well, I question the timing.

Oh, and we've only heard her side of the story.  I know, I know.  Nobody would believe Chimpy McHitlerburton's buddies even if they could produce a shipping container full of documented evidence, but still.

59

Hollowpoint, not for 24 hours straight, in late July, with no food or drink.  And the army docs would not have sent her out of the hospital/clinic with the injuries she is claiming...and would not have sent her back to her assailants.

Keep in mind that she wasn't in the military or employed by them- she was a private employee.  I'm not sure how involved the military would or could get when a civilian is involved.

I wasn't there and don't know what happened, but there seems to be a lot of truther-esque "a ha!  a minor unexplained fact or inconsistancy!" cynicism going on here.  Is it really so implausible that she was raped and injured, and her employer or co-workers- who had reason to fear bad press- would've tried to keep it under wraps in a war zone? 

Are you suggesting that she completely made up the part about her injuries, something that could easily be disproven if false?  It's possible given what little we know, but given that she could've told the same exact story without including the torn pectoral muscle detail it doesn't seem that likely to me.

60

You aren't seeing it because they are spinning the story.  Hard.

There is a picture at the ABC site of her private room, the top bunk is made up the bottom is not, she slept in the top.  According to her deposition the next morning when she woke up there was a dude in the bottom bunk who readily admitted fucking her.  It seems likely she could have gotten shit faced, fucked consensually, then fell out of bed and knocked her falsies loose.  Just sayin'...

You're coming up with an alternate explanation based on complete speculation with no facts to back it up and I'm the one spinning the story?

61

Did a really quick search on her name and in the first two pages there were stories from May, 2007, about a week or so after the papers were filed.  That's almost two years after the alleged incident took place.

So she didn't go to the media right away- so what?  Her Congressman confirmed that her father called him about it shortly after the alleged incident- it's not like she waited two years to make the allegations.

62

The case is case number 07-CV-2719, US District Court for the Southern District of Texas (Houston Division).  Anyone who is bored and has PACER access can read the complaint, which is 47 pages long, and which is actually in its fourth iteration, the original Complaint having been filed on May 16, 2007, a First Amended Complaint having been filed on May 24, 2007, a Second Amended Complaint having been filed on May 30, 2007, and a Third Amended Complaint having been filed on October 9, 2007). 

I have skimmed the Third Amended Complaint, but not the firsth three versions, and the substance of the rape allegation I tend to believe, though I don't really believe the cover-up allegations or that KBR and Halliburton had an official hand in harming this girl.  It seems more likely that it is just a couple of employees gone wild.  The complaint is short on factual allegations and long on endless repetition of similar causes of action against KBR and Halliburton, which is typical of this type of thing.

Of special note to those who despise the lefty cocksuckers in the MSM is that the cause of action that Ms. Jones brought against the United States in previous versions of her complaint was voluntarily non-suited (Ms. Jones filed a motion to dismiss the claim on September 17, which was granted on  September 26, 2007) long before ABC published this story.  In other words, ABC is lying in saying that the US is alleged to have covered this crime up.  The plaintiff isn't saying that now, so ABC has failed to perform even rudamentary fact checking on this case (of course), in order to somehow bring the EVIL BUSHITLER REGIME into the case.

Fucking MSM.  I hate 'em.

63

Hollowpoint, the army medical folks see civilians in the green zone all the time.  Who else is there to provide medical care?  So you think the military medical folks over there are brutal, uncaring, incompetents who haven't ever been trained in how to properly handle rape accusations?

Not to mention the state department folks.  Yeah, this would have been huge in state circles.  And the ambassador at the time?

Hon. John Dimitri Negroponte (born July 21, 1939 in Greater London, London, in the United Kingdom) (ronunciation" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helpronunciation">pronounced /ˌnɛgroʊˈpɒnti/) is an American diplomat. He is currently serving as the United States Deputy Secretary of State. Prior to serving in this capacity, he was the first ever Director of National Intelligence.

Negroponte served in the United States Foreign Service from 1960 to 1997. From 1981 to 1996, he had tours of duty as United States ambassador in Honduras, Mexico, and the Philippines. After leaving the Foreign Service, he subsequently served in the Bush Administration as U.S. permanent representative to the United Nations from 2001 to 2004, and was ambassador to Iraq from June 2004 to April 2005.

From the complaint:

Jamie Lee Jones was first forced into a sexual relationship, against her will, with her supervisor, or risk losing her job at a time when her.  After escaping that environment, she was harrassed, and threatened in Baghdad , before she was ultimately the subject of a brutal sexual attack by several attackers who first drugged her....  .....

The attack never would have occurred but for the "boys will be boys" attitude that permeated the environment that defendants first created, then failed to warn Jamie about ......

c'mon

64 I hate to pile on, but something smells here.

Her attorney on the Complaint, L. Todd Kelly is also the Director of Legal Affairs for her foundation.

Her husband, Joseph Daigle, who is also listed as a Plaintiff on the Complaint, is currently the Chief Financial Officer of her foundation.

According to the Complaint, she was allegedly raped on July 28, 2007, (para 17) but the Complaint was filed on May 16, 2007. (She was raped AFTER the Complaint was filed? Small detail, but really, really sloppy for a lawyer to miss.)

There is a Reuters article from 6/29/07 that ABC seems to have missed which also does not jibe with the Complaint. There is one tiny little detail that may or may not matter, but seems easy enough to verify: In the Complaint she claimed she was raped in a 2-story "co-ed dormitory", but in the Reuters article a KBR spokesperson claims that "none of the living quarters are co-ed".

65

Funkster:

At what point do you have a point?

66

Gang rapes are exceedingly rare.

I volunteered at a rape crisis center for eight months. We saw over a dozen gang rape victims in that time and none of them were crazies. They ain't rare.

As to this case, I'll wait for more facts to come out before I judge. Pisses me off when people jump to conclusions on incomplete evidence, no matter the issue or what side of it they stand on.

67

If you read her compaint, there are a couple of interesting details:

Her husband is member of the military and based out of San Diego. While working for KBR in Houston she claims she was sexually harassed by a supervisor and forced to perform sexual favors on him. After her complaint she was transferred to a different group located in Iraq. She worked in Iraq for two years. She complained about a sexually hostile environment the day before she was raped. When she woke up her breast implants were ruptured. After reporting the rape, she says she was placed in a trailer with a bed., shower, and sink but without a television. She doesn't claim that she was physically restrained to the trailer, although she does refer to a guard later on.

68

Hollowpoint, the army medical folks see civilians in the green zone all the time.  Who else is there to provide medical care?  So you think the military medical folks over there are brutal, uncaring, incompetents who haven't ever been trained in how to properly handle rape accusations?

And where did I imply they didn't provide proper care?  She wasn't military, wasn't working for the military, and thus the military may not have had a role in an investigative capacity.  I've no reason to believe that they provided inadequate care.

I have no evidence or strong reason to believe that this young woman- someone's daughter and wife of a soldier- is lying... and neither do you.  If I'm wrong in thinking that she was in fact raped- fine; it'll be because of a lack of information.

If you "I question the timing" types are wrong in your implications that she's a liar, then you deserve whatever scorn you get for immediately labelling an alledged gang rape victim as a liar.

I'm trying to save you guys from yourselves here, but apparently it's a lost cause.

69 Let's back up the train a little bit here.  What kind of job skills does a 20 something year old child have that would cause a company like Halliburton to employ her in a war zone?  This story doesn't sound plausable to me.

70 Hollowpoint, just read the lawsuit in its various forms, while reading the public statements. Something smells and it isn't roses.

71

The naivete to piously stutter "the Army bureaucracy would never lose evidence" is pretty amazing and demonstrates an enthusiasm for respectable male authority structures which would never ever ever enable old boys' networks or turn a blind eye to a little hanky panky on the side committed against a woman who obviously got what was coming to her (hey, she was entering a war zone, with a boob job no less, at the age of 21 - fresh meat ?).  The hankering by the weak for authority figures who confirm comfortable if destructive orthodoxies and status quos.

Seems perfectly reasonable that someone with tech training (notice that she was an IT/comms contractor ?) would be a reasonable candidate for Iraq.

Behind that is a more interesting question - was KBR in the habit of occasionally procuring young women via employment offers, whose real purpose was to provide sexual services to the corporation's male employees ?  Fresh meat again.  Published evidence of Dyncorp's involvement in sex trafficking in the Balkans lets us conclude that the PMC community on average is certainly not above this sort of mentality or activity.  Further, the evidence of pervasive rape and other sexual abuse of women in and out of uniform in Iraq and elsewhere contradicts the notion that the US military would never let this happen or that hours of EO training do anything to prevent it.

One may conclude that it is irresponsible to put young women into a war zone where there are no sexual outlets for the males under extreme stress stationed there.  But that does not justify anyone behaving like an animal.  If the perpetrators are found guilty they should lunch on a flash hider and have the backs of their heads blown out.  If the corporation is found to have systematically condoned this behavior or institutionally facilitated it by systematic or occasional procuring activity, its executives deserve the same fate.

72 If I'm wrong in thinking that she was in fact raped- fine; it'll be because of a lack of information.

If you "I question the timing" types are wrong in your implications that she's a liar, then you deserve whatever scorn you get for immediately labelling an alledged gang rape victim as a liar.

Those "i question the timing types" are operating off the same information as you, so if they deserve scorn  if they're wrong, so do you.

73 For what its worth the court filing from May 2007 twice mis-identifies the date of the alleged harassment and assault by two years: Paragraph 17 says Jones told her supervisors about harrassment on "July 27, 2007." Paragraph 18 says that the gang rape occured on "July 28, 2007." This girl was right out of high school practically, and she has breast implants? She's presumably not going to college, so her skill set was what, exactly?? if this story is true there should be serious jail time for the guilty. rot in prison. but i smell a rat. its inconceiveable to me that so many contractors, 99% of whom are mature experienced guys in their 30's with wives and kids back home, would behave so cruelly and violently and cavalierlly and have it covered up or explained away. if all or parts of this story are false, then this woman should be held accountable by law.

74

was KBR in the habit of occasionally procuring young women via employment offers, whose real purpose was to provide sexual services to the corporation's male employees ? 

How else could those poor Iraq-stationed souls enjoy the Ace of Spades Lifestyle™?

75 THIS IS wHaT happenS with DiCK CHEneY in cHARge rape GetS LEgaLIZeD!!!11!!1!!!

76 Tell you what, hollowpoint, you get ABC to quit prematurely accusing the fucking State Department, Halliburton, KBR, the President of the United States and the fucking US Army to conspiring to cover up a brutal gang rape on national goddamn television, and I will quit talking about it on a moron blog.  Otherwise, you don't have to read this shit, you know.

77

Those "i question the timing types" are operating off the same information as you, so if they deserve scorn  if they're wrong, so do you.

Uhh... I think attacking a gang rape victim as a liar is a bit worse than giving a false accuser the benefit of the doubt until the facts are known there duder.

78 I don't know if her story is true....but statements in the media like "an examination by Army doctors showed she had been raped" and "there is a rape kit and it shows that she was assaulted" set off red flags. The only thing an examination/rape kit can prove is whether or not semen and other evidence of sex is present. A rape kit cannot determine if the sex was forced. Even if there's evidence of rough sex, that still doesn't confirm it was rape. The media should know this, so their quotes insinuating that the rape kit confirms her version of events are irresponsible, at best. Not to mention nobody has actually seen the exam results. And I'm skeptical because there are apparently no photos of her injuries, since such photos are standard procedure whenever rape is alleged.

79 Uhh... I think attacking a gang rape victim as a liar is a bit worse than giving a false accuser the benefit of the doubt until the facts are known there duder.

The complaint is linked right here at Ace's and the facts according to the accuser are there for all to see. To suggest that those who've looked at the complaint and come to a different conclusion than you deserve scorn is ludicrous.

80 Forged & B Moe,
And you're basing your conclusion that she's lying on what?

Intuition?

The fact that the report is from ABC?

Don't believe a group of men would rape a woman?

Just don't believe women are raped?

I think it boils down to this: Both of you, along with other ignorant fools here, just just don't want to believe anything derogatory about the people the Bush administration hire to do their work.

Based on the ignorant and thoroughly disgusting comments from many here, I'll lay odds 99% of those calling this woman a liar have never known someone who's been raped.

81

http://www.jamiesfoundation.org/Jamie.htm

According to her journal, this individual arrived in the Green Zone on July 25, 2005.

The following day, July 26, she writes that she was being sexually harassed by KBR / Halliburton employees. Then, sometime between July 26 and July 27th, she was allegedly raped.

That's interesting. All of that within less than 3 days.

I find it curious that in her court documents and other sources she alleges that the rape occurred either in "Camp Hope" or "Camp Eagle", but in her journal the rape allegedly occurs in the Green Zone. Someone help me out with the geography. Those are the same place, right?

I especially like the picture on her ID card and the fact that she apparently actually believed someone when she was told that, "...it is more likely that I would get in a car accident in the US , than anything happen while stationed in Iraq”.

2005 was a good year for us in Iraq, right? Real calm as I remember. 

82

She is definitely lying.  How could it possibly be true that men rape.  Men don't rape.  They are lured into consensual sex and then women change their minds.  Happens all the time. 

Also how could it possibly be true that if a powerful corporation was facing a black eye over a brutal attack on a woman they would attempt to cover it up and destroy evidence.  It is beyond imagining.  Every corporation in the United States is of pure heart, the executives angels, the middle management cherubim.  Impossible.  

If she isn't lying and every world is true, she is still lying because it reflects poorly on Halliburton, the State Department, the WOT and President Bush himself. 

She should have just shut her mouth and took one for the team, like a true American patriot.  Hoo-hah!

83 Forged & B Moe,
And you're basing your conclusion that she's lying on what?

I never said she was lying, asshole. You and the other pompous little fucks who are decreeing from on high that no one is allowed to talk about this are just going to have deal with the fact that people can talk about it and whether you like it or not doesn't mean shit.

 I think it boils down to this: Both of you, along with other ignorant fools here, just just don't want to believe anything derogatory about the people the Bush administration hire to do their work.

That comment is so weak, it really doesn't deserve a response. But since it shows just how clueless you are, it's worth pointing out. Take a look around this blog and other right of center blogs, you're not going to find many Bush supporters left. What it boils down to is you're a snotty little pants wetter who only likes free speech when you agree with it.

84

SHe might be lying, she might not

What the fuck do we know?

The only thing for sure is that ABC are a gang of stalinist propaganda hacks who will release any allegation of criminal misconduct that looks bad for the GOP, before any official trial or investigation is complete

Guilty until proven fuckin' innocent for these nazis

Unless the charges are against slick willy, ted kennedy or barney frank

85

Well, I was raped by aliens and held captive is a Flying Saucer for three days, and my butt implants were damaged. I called my father who called his congressman. There were NASA doctors who knew what happened but the Alien Rape Kits were turned over to the Aliens, who destroyed them.

I've filed a lawsuit against NASA and the contractors who work for them.

- My point is that anyone can claim anything, can tell their parents anything, can file a lawsuit over anything. That doesn't mean that it happened.

Now, you may find this harsh, Tom, but given the evidence available to you, why should you disbelieve my story any more than hers? If I can get 60 Minutes to give me 12 minutes of air time will you believe me then?  They sure loved that story about the Audi's and unintended acceleration.

You know Dennis Kuchich believes me.

 

86 For the most part, you people are sick, depraved assholes. 

You'd better hope that there's no such place as hell waiting for you when you die.

Halliburton doesn't need your spirited defenses, assholes.  I'm assuming you know that, which leads me to believe that you just enjoy hurling insults and questioning the story of a woman who is alleging some horrible, horrible treatment.  Seems like the Christian thing to do would be to comfort the afflicted.  Barring that, try to keep your fucking traps shut.

You assholes are part of the reason why more women don't report being raped.  I guess that suits you just fine.

87

Ace (and all the little Aces who have commented so enthusiastically):

Are you gentleman enough to apologize publicly -- that means, using your real name -- if you are proved to be incorrect?

Didn't think so.

 

 

88 A woman has been drugged and raped and probably it was even attempted murder or why else was she kept in a shipping container if not to "get rid of her" later.

At least the phone call should be able to be traced.

A bit more mercy and pity for the alleged victim would be very appropriate.

Or does anyone who posts here publicly and seriously go in for legalizing rape?

89 Gang rape is NOT rare. What is rare is a conviction. Does not matter how horrific the situation. As you can see from this "dialog" above, people tend to automatically blame the victim right off the bat, calling her crazy before they try and recognize how widespread rape actually is. 1 in 3 women are raped in their lifetimes.

90 Seriously, Markus, I think the majority of the people here do support the legalization of rape.

91

The fascinating thing here is that almost none of the comments are made by someone who understands the complex elements of sexual violence. And yes, I'm making that assumption thanks to the flippant comments and ignorant remarks many of you have made.

RAPE is the most underreported and underconvicted crime in the US. 

Our country and others have a history of using rape as a tactic in wartime.(Vietnam, anyone?)

Our country is interested in saving its own ass. OF COURSE it's going to deny a heinous attrocity that people could attribute to the war itself.

Rape isn't the responsibility of the victim/survivor him/herself.  (I emphasize the 'him' becuase 10% of rape victims are male).  It doesn't matter how old she was, what she looked like, or whether or not she had breast implants.  The onus is on the perpetrator of the crime, not the victim.

As to the question about her taking 2 years to attempt prosecution: What would you do if the government you expected to provide you protection was helping to cover up the offense?  Most people would already feel defeated.

92 And if anyone is surprised that our government could cover something like that up, you clearly haven't been paying attention.

93 You are everything that's wrong with male perceptions of victims of sexual crimes.  Congratulations for condensing so much misogynistic prejudice into such a relatively short commentary.

You sarcastically said: " 'Cause that's what we men do. We help each other get away with gang-rape all the time."  But the sad fact is that yes, they do.  They do it every single day.  And men like you who instantly reject even the slightest possibility of it happening make it sickeningly easy for them to do.

The FBI's stats of falsely reported rapes is 3%.  That is to say, about 3% of reported rapes are misreported or false for whatever reason.  About the same as any other crime.  Which is to say, that in 97% of cases, the woman or man is telling the truth.  They just don't have evidence to convict.

So thank you for helping to ensure that future generations of rape victims will be called liars and whores for reporting they were victimized.

94 I've also volunteered at a rape crisis center.  Gang rape is not rare.  It's not even unusual.

95 You obviously don't know much about corporate culture at Halliburton.

I do. I grew up in the town that birthed Halliburton; I've many close friends and relatives who have worked there, and let me tell you: This is not shocking to me. This isn't even surprising. I'd love to go into more detail here, but given the vindictiveness this company displays and the fact that I still know a few people who work for the company, I'm afraid to say much in public.

But I will say this: To my direct knowledge, they've covered up an egregious physical assault and harassed an employee/victim into silence on at least one occasion before. Covering up a gang rape? I wouldn't put it past them.

96

Sorry kids. I may be a horrible person, but I don't believe her.

Names of attackers, names of Army Doctors, then maybe we'll  have some reason to believe her.  Army doctors have zero reason to go to bat for civilian contractors, and a lot to lose by covering for them, even assuming that ethics don't enter into the equation anywhere.

"Hey, doc - 'bout that rape kit information. How bout handing it over and not keepin' any records or copies, OK?  Gee, you're a pal, Doc."

It's possible, but not probable.It's much more likely that she's nuts.

"So thank you for helping to ensure that future generations of rape victims will be called liars and whores for reporting they were victimized."
Now don't be unfair to me here... I didn't call her a whore.

I just called her a lying nutjob.

 

 

97
Reich-wingers attacking the victim....how predictable. 

98 It’s just a matter of time before reich-wingers start sending her death threats and Stalkn' Malkin is stalking this poor girl’s residence.  No wonder reich-wingers are heading towards a permanent minority status...enjoy.

99 12 Actually, yes, Tom. So, STFU. Posted by: Techie at December 10, 2007 06:49 PM (AV8Z6) =-==== SO you know how it felt to be violated when those men penetrated you and you were helpless.

100 May God have no mercy on your souls.

101 If Joran van der Sloot and the Kalpoe brothers worked for KBR, you reich-wingers would be attacking Natalee Holloway and claim she deserved it.  

102

Just an honest question.  If this case were not one that had any sort of political coloring, would the people here really be suggesting that she's making this up? 

It seems like our political discourse has sunk so low that we're willing to say just about anything about anyone to protect our political party and its allies.

103 That's right, geniuses. The terrorists made her do this.

Do you people have any decency?

I can't wait for the deafening silence from your corners of "reality" when this bears out to be true.

Cue the crickets:

104
Sorry kids. I may be a horrible person, but I don't believe her.

Names of attackers, names of Army Doctors, then maybe we'll have some reason to believe her. Army doctors have zero reason to go to bat for civilian contractors, and a lot to lose by covering for them, even assuming that ethics don't enter into the equation anywhere.

"Hey, doc - 'bout that rape kit information. How bout handing it over and not keepin' any records or copies, OK? Gee, you're a pal, Doc."

It's possible, but not probable.It's much more likely that she's nuts.

"So thank you for helping to ensure that future generations of rape victims will be called liars and whores for reporting they were victimized."
Now don't be unfair to me here... I didn't call her a whore.

I just called her a lying nutjob.



Heh.


This one wants to check her vagina. I guess if that's the only way one can get some tail, go for it, big guy.

105 The more women who read this blog, the less you guys get laid. Pretty cool, huh?

106

Rape, especially gang rape is not uncommon in a war setting. (Read Against Our Will by Susan Brownmiller. It chronicles the history of rape.)   Currently number of rapes of Iraqi women has dramatically increased since the war.  War is violent and rape is an act of violence. 

 

Why would a woman publicly acknowledge she was raped knowing that her claim would be scrutinized by every reporter or blogger AND the allegations be heavily fought legally and in the media by the big guns of a major corporation? Her motives, her mental stability and her morals will be questioned. Why would any women consent to a rape kit by a doctor who is a stranger and then be willing to pay the expense an attorney to sit through weeks of a rape trial with no guarantee she will win.  Plus there is no criminal justice for her alleged perpetrators.  Why is the woman willing to devote her energies and a large segment of her life to an incident that never happened?

 

This case brings up the larger question of “out sourcing” our military during a war.   For what I can see these contractors are not held to any legal or professional standards other than the service they provide.  Their jurisdiction falls under the State Department but where is accountability legally especially in unstable foreign country?  When a crime is committed by a contractor, who is suppose to gather evidence, investigate and prosecute the offender?  The State Department?  Does the State Department have a criminal division for that purpose?  Unless there was a trained professional team handling the criminal investigation from the beginning, the case will be compromised.  Therefore the only recourse for the victim may be a civil suit.  There is motive to cover-up any wrong doing from KBR.  Blackwater may get by killing Iraqis but assaulting an American female who is wife of a soldier does not make good press back in the States. 

 

While you are questioning the veracity of this woman’s account, ask who has more to lose in this case. In that answer you might find the truth.

 

 

 

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