FAQ: Can A Castrated Man Commit Rape?
Jiggity asks this about Wayne DuMond, who was violently castrated by unknown vigilantes after his rape of a cheerleader, and then apparently raped one or two more women.First of all, "rape" is often defined as a violation of a woman with the penis... or an object or digit. So it's not clear (at least I haven't checked) if DuMond's subsequent rapes were of the penile variety or the violation by proxy sort. Besides that, it's a myth that castrated men can never achieve an erection. Without testosterone, their sex drive falls -- but not necessarily to zero; and without their testes, they can't, of course, produce sperm. But they can still get erections. Not all of them, and not all the time, but it's just not true that castration results in complete impotency. That old thing about eunuchs being assigned to guard harems may have been a good idea from the Bey's point of view -- lowered sex drive should lower the incidence of the help schtuping one's whores, and there's little chance of your guard getting a concubine pregnant -- but it was not in fact a guarantee that the harem guards wouldn't have non-procreative sex with the harem girls.
1 "FAQ: Can A Castrated Man Commit Rape?"
I've never understood the fuss over this: you don't need a fully functioning penis to rape someone. I also doubt there are any women who'd be less traumatized because the guy who just sexually assaulted them wasn't fully penised.
Posted by: Kensington at December 05, 2007 04:55 PM (kFwRi)
2 There seems to be an easy solution to this problem, but just thinking about it makes me ill.
Posted by: Dr. Remulak at December 05, 2007 04:57 PM (YmPwQ)
3 Boy this topic will be sure to get me in the X-mass frame of mind.
Posted by: Paladin at December 05, 2007 05:01 PM (ZO0u/)
4 That's a frequently asked question? Ace, you spend your time on a different part of the intertube than I do.
Posted by: Sobek at December 05, 2007 05:03 PM (6GK9U)
5 "There seems to be an easy solution to this problem, but just thinking about it makes me ill."
Long prison sentences of back-breaking hard labor without parole?
Posted by: Kensington at December 05, 2007 05:03 PM (kFwRi)
6 "Boy this topic will be sure to get me in the X-mass frame of mind."
Could Santa rape someone if a reindeer chewed his nuts off?
Posted by: Kensington at December 05, 2007 05:04 PM (kFwRi)
*An erection without tingling balls.
Posted by: ricpic at December 05, 2007 05:06 PM (dvyRd)
8 I'm reminded of the Andre Chikatilo story, where he'd go torape the woman and wouldn't be able to get it up. His inability to achieve erection would send him into a blinding rage. So, he wouldrape them with a big knife, cut their labia off and then he'd digest it.
If the guy's got problems with violence towards women, and now has a barely working penis, it could potentially make the attacks that much morehorrific.(but, maybe minus the cannibalism part.)
Posted by: Joanie at December 05, 2007 05:07 PM (Z9tCp)
9 Well, this post calls for some castrato Christmas music:
Posted by: sandy burger at December 05, 2007 05:09 PM (Cpse7)
10 If you can't trust a rapist-murderer who had his balls chopped off to no longer be a menace to society, who can you trust?
Posted by: Sobek at December 05, 2007 05:14 PM (6GK9U)
11 Just a small clarification. You might add the word "claimed" in that first sentence.
There was no actual evidence that two masked men castrated DuMond. He claimed as such, but supposedly State Police didn't buy it. If they did it, they were careful to leave no fingerprints or anything else. Also the claim that these vigilantes forced him to blow them is a bit incredible. Seems like something a guy like DuMond would come up with.
I don't know about you, but the last time I went into a guy's house with the intent of ripping off his nuts, I could sustain no more than a dribbling soft-on.
Serial rapists apparently do geld themselves occasionally.
Also, this is not another Willie Horton. Dukakis didn't personally pressure anyone to furlough Horton. And multitudes of previously unreported victims weren't sending him letters saying don't furlough this guy. The furlough system was already in place before Dukakis took office, though he did support it.
This is much worse.
Posted by: Seattle Slough at December 05, 2007 05:20 PM (H5l9d)
12 Actually, it depends on when a castrato gets the snip. Pre-pubescent boys who get the snip are almost never able to get it up. For post-pubescent teens and men, it's not quite a coin flip and more often than not impotence will result. Removing and/or otherwise disabling the prostate increases the chance ofimpotence.
Posted by: The Atom Bomb of Loving Kindness at December 05, 2007 05:22 PM (MJbn9)
13 Cut off the whole damn thing!!
Posted by: Dr. Remulak at December 05, 2007 05:33 PM (YmPwQ)
Posted by: Seattle Slough at December 05, 2007 05:20 PM (H5l9d)
Do you people now see how dangerous Hucakabee is? He gives Seattle
Slough a chance to appear reasonable. Let that sink in for a moment.
Posted by: Franklin Foer at December 05, 2007 05:38 PM (hlYel)
15 But didn't the "free the rapists and molesters" crowd claim a "chemical castration" would make it OK to let the freaks out of their cages? If a PHYSICAL castration is no guarantee...
Posted by: M. Murcek at December 05, 2007 05:39 PM (RKc3O)
16 This is the type of investigative reporting I come here for.
Posted by: MlR at December 05, 2007 06:17 PM (mX6h5)
17 I think the point of castrating slaves in general was to make them more docile and less inclined to escape, pretty much the same as with pets. Also, there were certain positions that would be too tempting to entrust to someone ambitious (like people are prone to be when they can produce heirs), so that's how royal eunuch became an official post. Some of them weren't even castrated, eunuch became the name of a particular post.
Posted by: Dave M at December 05, 2007 07:00 PM (BGWZi)
18 Well, you could do a Bobbit castration. That would take care of most of the problem.
Well, at least a few inches of it.
Posted by: Amos at December 05, 2007 07:02 PM (gYsFF)
19 I can't fucking believe I learned something from Seattle Slough.
Though I have to put "learned" in quotes. This is the first suggestion I've read that DuMond may have self-castrated.
Posted by: ace at December 05, 2007 07:20 PM (SXBHu)
20 Doesn't all this lefty tut-tutting about pardoning a rapist mean that they retroactively approve of the Willy Horton controversy? Oh my bad, it only matters if the governor is a Republican.
Posted by: Dirk at December 05, 2007 07:30 PM (AJx67)
21 The Carver on "Nip/Tuck" didn't even have a penis and he raped people.
Posted by: its vintage duh at December 05, 2007 08:12 PM (hF7Gz)
22 If you remove the head of the offender just below the jaw line but above the Adam's apple there is zero chance of recidivism.
Posted by: Saudi Swordsman at December 05, 2007 08:21 PM (3qvzr)
23 Here's where I found it Ace: (see comment #1)
That, of course, is where I find all my news.
Please read my comment above which, I hope, distinguishes this from Willie Horton. In addition, no one is implicitly or otherwise, playing up the racial angle in this like people claim happened with Willie Horton.
Posted by: Seattle Slough at December 05, 2007 09:53 PM (H5l9d)
24 Seattle Slough,
Dude, you should have quoted this:
The late Coolidge Conlee, former sheriff of St. Francis
County, kept Dumond's testicles in a jar in his office.
Posted by: Aaron at December 05, 2007 10:23 PM (Z2qf9)
My castrated (neutered) dog has no problem getting an erection. It doesn't seem to happen much less frequently than before he was neutered, so I wonder if there's that great of a link between ability to get an erection and testosterone levels (although it's probably not a good idea to extrapolate too much from dogs to humans).
Eunuchs guarding harems were, um, fully castrated. Everything was lopped off. So, no, they could not enjoy having sex with the harem stable. Aside from the ability to do so, I'm sure in most cases getting caught would mean an instant death sentence.
From a page on the history of Ottoman harems:
"Sandali, or clean-shaven: The parts are swept off by a single cut of a razor, a tube (tin or wooden) is set in the urethra, the wound is cauterized with boiling oil, and the patient is planted in a fresh dung-hill. His diet is milk, and if under puberty he often survives.
"Black eunuchs tended to be...Sandali, while white eunuchs were [not], thus have part or their entire penis intact. Because of their lack of parts, black eunuchs served in the harem, while white eunuchs served in the government (and away from the women)."
Posted by: Bob at December 05, 2007 10:36 PM (sOhLH)
26 Wayne DuMond......
Remember, expecting parents, how it goes with the name "Wayne":
First name "Wayne": armed gas-station robber, meth-cooker
Middle name "Wayne": serial murderer
First name "John", middle name "Wayne": rampage-killer
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