1 But Gabe, don't worry. If we have our way, we can help drive the GOP morale even lower. Just give us a chance.

2

^{Part of the problem is that there is no one in the party that can credibly ask members that are thinking about leaving to stay.}

Should they stay? I keep going back to Gingrich and the "revolution" of the 90s. The idea congressmen would be swapped out after 3 terms in the house, 2 in the senate, was radical yet worked. I don't want Imperial Wizards guiding my party into their 90s, not sure if they're passing a bill or bowel.

Only people that would want to keep a bunch of old hags around probably also troll on the blogs as famous Conservatives, or atheist slaves working for their souls back of such.

3 Yeah these GOP resignations are just rats jumping ship. It's gonna be a long time in the wilderness after Bush goes home.

4 The war in Iraq is going just well enough to let the libertarian and social cons in the GOP bicker and split the votes.

But frankly, maybe a housecleaning of GOP members in Congress is in order?

5 I'm glad to see them go.  We need new, fresh people in Washington.  They will be more in tune with the common man.

6 If they're not willing to fight for their constituencies' interests, they need to go.  I don't see leaders; I see indolent parasites.

7 "I don't see leaders; I see indolent parasites."

Agreed.   These hoary old goats need to go.  Fresh blood will work wonders for the republican party.

8 I don't think it's a morale issue as mush as I think it's a disgust issue.  There are a lot of conservative voters taking stock of what happened the last 8 years, and are wondering what happened.  The litany of "socialism light" programs that have spawned under the current admin is shocking to many of us.  I am having a hard time seeing what the difference would have been between Kerry, and Bush.  I will give credit for the GWOT, but just about everything else Bush has done has isolated not only the conservative base, but everyone else.

We had both houses the first 4 years, and we still gave up ground.  Why should I donate, and be excited now?

There are still people out there that call Bush one of the greatest presidents ever.  I think history will judge him mush harsher.  Probably as the one that destroyed the GOP.

ASW

9 This reminds me a lot of the Democrats after the 1994 elections. A decent number of Dems retired rather than stay in the minority. We could be looking at a decade or so of donkey rule.

10 I think the main problem is that Republican "control" of Congress translated to doing whatever the Democrats told them to, as long as their portions of pork were sufficient.

11

"God willing, whichever presidential candidate we select will be that leader."

Do we have to start this up again?

12

Glad all those uber-conservatives stayed home in 06 to show their displeasure.  Still, I thought Bush was the dumbest man alive for holding back Rumsfeld's resignation until the day after he lost Congress.  Firing Rummy would have helped turn out more of the military vote, I can assure you of that.    

Still, I can't be too hard on the current Congress.  The more incompetent they behave, the less likely they are to pass damaging legislation. 

And the ultra-aggressive fundraising tactics are wearing thin on me.  For the Virginia elections this month, I received 3-a-day phone calls, pleas for money, and daily mailings.  I had to call the campaign to tell them to knock it off. 

13 I wonder why donations to the RNC are down so much *cough*(build the wall)*cough*.

14

Glad all those uber-conservatives stayed home in 06 to show their displeasure. 

Yeah, I'm sure it wasn't amnesty or pork spending that killed the party. Blame the voters for not bending over far enough.

15

That big toilet on Capitol Hil needed flushing. Maybe we can have some real Republican candidates run, instead of those fat porkers.

The Rep. legacy of the last several years won't be the Iraq war, it'll be Roberts and Alito and a more in-control SCOTUS.

16

It's aggravating to have to constantly point out the conservative advances made in the past 7 years to the gloom and doomer and the complain about virtually everything people.  From overturning Clinton's last minute executive orders to the tax cuts to the sunsetting of the AWB and the withdrawal from the ABM treaties to the issues of life regard to partial birth, cloning and embryotic stem cells to changing the make up of the Supreme Court to name just a few. 

The greatest conservative, President Ronald Reagan had a deficit larger than the Bush administration compared to GNP.  His tax cuts were also less in both number of cuts and the size of the cuts. He compromised with Tip ONeil far more than Bush has with the Dems.  He appointed two of the worst SC justices.  We lost a greater number of seats in Congress in his second term than we did in 2006.  The number of indictments and convictions of his administration far exceed anything in the Bush administration. And lest we forget, he signed an actual amnesty bill.

God help us if we would have had the intertubes during Reagan's terms like we have now.

 

 

 

17

ahhhhhhh!!! I Told you so!!

18

I think the main problem is that Republican "control" of Congress translated to doing whatever the Democrats told them to, as long as their portions of pork were sufficient. Posted by: David C

God help us if we would have had the intertubes during Reagan's terms like we have now.  Posted by: polynikes

Polynikes - I'm afraid that I have to agree with David C. The Republicans didn't DO anything but milk the tax-teat to fund their personal agendas. They counted on us to vote against the Dems, regardless of what they (the Repubs) did or didn't accomplish.

Additionally, I don't agree with you that the Internet would have bad for Regan. He, and Gingrich in his day, gave us something to vote FOR.  There was an agenda, and a purpose to where they were going. Yes, there were sins committed along the way, but they were the sins of our saints, and thus forgiven more easily than the sins of our current loafers.

Although I'll go and vote in 2008, it will be a vote against Hillary rather than a vote for Republicanism. However, I'm resigned to a Hillary win; the election is hers to lose, sad as that is.

In my state election for Governor, I'll stay home. He's a Republican who promised to tighten Texas' borders and then blatently broke his campaign promise. Although he can't run again here, the party must be punished for not forcing him into action on his promise.

I think a decade in the wilderness may just be the best thing for the Repbulicans, in the long run. In the wilderness the old and the weak will die off.

19

"Forfeited principle for power and lost both."

If Trent Lott is indicative of the people leaving, good riddance.

20

I'm not crying over losing Lott and Hastert. Their most important constituents were their fellow Congressmen and they made is very plain that's who they considered their top priority.

The only way Republicans stay in the wilderness for very long is if no one else steps up to fill the ranks of the scoundrels who have departed. The President can't really help with that, nor can anyone in Congress. That's pretty mich going to be up to the state party groups to find likely candidates and get them up and running.

Right now, the GOP's strategy of "find a bunch of rich guys" isn't goign to help them a lot. What the need to be doing is finding a lot of folks who remember what being a Republican actually means.

21 The big problem is that there are no real republicans running on the GOP ticket anymore.

GWB was not a true GOP member, he got the nomination because of his family name. The DEMS are trying to do the same thing with Hilary Clinton, reason why there is this push behind Obama, who has even less experience for the Executive Office than Hillary is because people HATE Hillary, 100% of Republicans and 50% of Democrats hate her. Look at Obama, I may disagree with his views but I don't hate him, while I just loathe Hillary to the core of my being.

Despite all this doom and gloom, I do not think the DEMS are going to get the white house in 2008, there are some factors that will hurt them.

Iraq, things are getting better and will nto be an issue next november, and due to the writers strike delaying production and the total cluelessness of Hollywood we will have more of these insipid anti-war movies being released for the next two years. Some other films such as a "Blackwater" trilogy and a film about Valerie Plame are in the planning in hopes it will swing public opinion in the DEMS favor. Recent box office earning and public mood on these films pint otherwise.

Those films are going to COST the dems big politically.

I think Hillary will lose as others mentioned, people are going to go to the polls in droves to vote AGAINST her.  Despite  the recent Zogby poll, she will get the nomination because she has the Clinton name and money behind her.
 

22

Lokki, I'm a Texan also.  I don't agree with everything that Perry has done regard to immigration but its disingenuous to indicate he has done nothing.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa4441/is_20070417/ai_n19059469

As for your decade in the wilderness I can only reply with my stock sarcasm reply which is not directed at you but at that strategy.

Yes that's how businesses succeed. They allow themselves to fail and allow others to implement long term procedures diametrically opposed to your preferred business strategy. Then they allow this to simmer for a decade or so with the hope that not too much damage will be done and then grab the reigns again with the intentions of setting up the perfect business model and wah lah! success!

23 Actually reclaiming the House is easily within reach, the Senate is another story

24 Good, the party needs a good housecleaning.

I'll be happy when we don't have to try and buy votes like the Dems.

25

GWB was not a true GOP member, he got the nomination because of his family name.

You are kidding right? Before he became a successful twice elected Republican Governor of a previously Democrat controlled state government and who was responsible for its present Republican makeup,  he worked for the campaigns of any number of Republicans across the country.  He obtained many of his positions based on his proximity and admiration of Reagan.  His pre presidency BDS opponents thought he was the conservative devil incarnate. I was able to get my CHL as a result of his Governorship.  You may not like Bush which is all well and good but your standard of who is considered a member of the 'true' GOP needs review.

26 Unless the leader is unapologetically conservative there is no hope.

27

Polynikes was able to get osteoporosis-preventing daily protein supplements thanks to Bush's governorship.

And it tasted like marshmallows, too.

28 Maybe they wouldn't have job approval, and financial donations problems if they weren't so interested in amnesty and pork.

29

Entropy gets his protein supplement the same way Andi Sullivan gets his.

30 No, I remember in 2000, Bush was considered the candidate by the MSM and the Washington establishment.  And the crappy leadership has very much been a product of the D.C. ethic in Congress and the White House.   What I hate about the Democrats has become, for the most part, true of the Republicans: 

Dumb everything down, pander to the lowest common denominator, smear your opponents, fear your constituents, grow the government, spend my money, restrict my freedoms, bend the rules for yourselves, hold the other guy to a high standard, wrap it up in self-righteous language.

If conservative voters are at fault for anything, it is for swallowing the GOP's crap for 6 years straight.  And it's hard to blame people for avoiding the Democrats.  But that excuse no longer applies.  And, quite possibly, we will have to endure a Democrat majority for a while.   But maybe we can get our sense back, start making decisions based on reason instead visceral gut reactions to smarmy slogans, propose good policies, and earn the right to rule again.  Until the Washington establishment coopts us again and ruins our winning formula.

31 I think the broad lesson to be learned is "If you're a majority party, act like it!  The Democrats always do, even (especially!) when they're not actually in the majority.  And you can bet they're working hard now to ensure that their rule over the country will be permanent and uni-partisan.

I don't even especially care about particular policies and agendas all that much, but I would've liked to see the Republicans when in power standing up proudly and saying "We're in charge now, and THIS is our agenda!" 

Instead, we got this quivering bunch who seemed to say at every opportunity "Well, maybe we'll do this... if the Democrats say it's OK, I mean...."  Oh, of course some compromise is necessary, but don't make it your first resort.

32

If you're a Republican Man I wouldn't be so worried. The GOP and the opportunist career politicians within it will find a way to survive. In their worst case scenario, they'll work "bi-partisanly" with the Democrats to suck off the public tit and get their pork, even if it means their supposed long-term agenda is fucked. In the best case scenario, they'll take advantage of the Democrats continued incompetency, attack them on the left and adopt much of their program (Global warming, free crap for everyone, etc) to make themselves 'relevant' (See the British Tories).

The Republican Party will do great, even if Conservatives and American don't (in the long term - but the politicians will be gone by then anyway).

 

33

Eric Hoffman noted that Revolutions were officially over when they were coopted by opportunists who were more worried about maintaining their perks than pushing the Revolution forward. We're at that stage now. The establishment crowd, guys like Lott - these aren't true believing Conservatives. They're politicians in the worst sense of the term, with the Republican Party's simply a vassal for them. 

To many of the beltway types in general, the actual Conservatives are an embarrassment and threat to their cushy position (see their reaction to the immigration fiasco). The Democrats have the same problem as well, sometimes, but at the end of the day they at least think their base's heart is in the right place. Our leadership thinks we're nuts, impractical, and throwbacks. Given the demographic trends (importing Democratic voters by the millions), the sad part is they might be right on the last two.

34 I don't think the movie script for 'Mr. Smith Goes To Washington' was made up out of whole cloth.  This coopting by opportunists has been going on since the beginning of the revolution.  Thankfully the system the founders set up allowed the republic to bend and not break.     

35

Although it is still the best in the world, we no longer operate under the system that the founders set up.

See federalism, constitutionalism, limited government.

36 Maybe if the GOP hadn't shit all over its base for so long with its massive spending, stupid social programs, and coddling of illegal aliens people would be ponying up cash to to help. But as it stands right now, they learned nothing in 2006, and still seem to be clinging to the bridge to nowhere mentality.

Abandon your principles, and you better be willing to accept minority status.

37

I think Laura Bush should run for president.  Her qualifications are similar to Hillery's.

 

Idea from Don Surber's blog

38 the libertarian and social cons in the GOP bicker and split the votes

No. That's Party spin. Don't eat it.

They're both leaving, or considering it, or staying home, or preparing to, because neither of them ever get anything they want from the Party, which opposes them both more than they oppose each other.

The social con/libertarian split is a small one, or it should be, except insofar as social cons mistake the state for the Lord and render unto it too much, and libertarians hate them for it in the terms that are readily at hand, the left's. The split's not real. It's only evidence of the Republican Party's failure.

A new party that includes them both, as the GOP used to, would do well. The Party as it is now is precisely the opposite of that. It's the Democratic Party of 1967. It needs bricks thrown at it.

39 If these guys don't quit, who will make up the VITAL pool of lobbyists for bridges to nowhere 10 years from now?

40

"Yeah, I'm sure it wasn't amnesty or pork spending that killed the party. Blame the voters for not bending over far enough."

But here's the thing:  as a result of sitting out the election, amnesty came much closer to reality and pork spending is even more ridiculous.  Refusing to vote for Republicans out of principles made things worse.

Here's a better, more pragmatic principle: no Democrats in office.

It's not enough, I understand, but it's still essential.  No Democrats in office, and then find some other means of beating the GOP into submission.

41

The Party as it is now is precisely the opposite of that. It's the Democratic Party of 1967. It needs bricks thrown at it.

Bingo.

Which isn't to say its worse than the current Democrats (who are grown-up McGovernites), but that neither are selling limited government Conservativism.

42

Although it is still the best in the world, we no longer operate under the system that the founders set up.

See federalism, constitutionalism, limited government.

Also see slavery, suffrage, term limits.

But that was not your originial point. You indicated that we have reached a point where the system has been coopted by opportunists.  I point out that opportunists have been present from the beginning and that our system allows us to overcome that human enivitability.  The sky is not falling.

43 polynikes,
It's great to read the posts of someone I can agree with on this issue. And for those of you that turn away from Republicans for voting for pork...how's that working out? Pork isn't going away and it darn sure isn't enough reason to allow dems to control congress or the presidency. Most of you hate the big spending programs under Bush, but each had a hidden bomb that helps lead to cures of the biggest problems we face. The prescription drug plan expanded HSAs and includes market forces and personal responsibility. Mandatory HSAs are the solution to the health care problem that can best combat the Dems plan. NCLB forces the failures of schools and is a good first step toward getting vouchers passed and destroying the teacher's union, plus making inroads with black and inner city voters.He tried for SS reform and started the debate where others wouldn't touch it. Bush has been better in his choices for judges and justices than any president in a long time. I don't understand the anti-Bushites.

As for contributions, I'm simply waiting for someone to pull away from the field. I'm going to contribute more than ever, but I want to put it where it will do the most good. I'm sure a lot of others look at it the same way.

44

Here's a better, more pragmatic principle: no Democrats in office.

All that will do is simply bleed the Republic to death just a little more slowly.  Any better ideas?

45

But that was not your originial point. You indicated that we have reached a point where the system has been coopted by opportunists.  I point out that opportunists have been present from the beginning and that our system allows us to overcome that human enivitability.  The sky is not falling.

No. I said the Conservative Revolution had been coopted by opportunists and is dead.

46

"All that will do is simply bleed the Republic to death just a little more slowly.  Any better ideas?"

Nonsense!  But even if what you're saying is true, that still gives us a "little more" time to beat the GOP into submission to conservative principles.

You do that by relentlessly hammering them like we did during shamnesty, etc.  Give them not an inch once they're there and promote more conservatives to replace the indolent when they run, but for God's sake don't give their offices to Democrats!

That's the first principle.  Learn it, live it, love it:  No Democrats In Office.  Without that we've got nowhere to build.

47

And yes, it stinks that "No Democrats In Office" is so blunt and basic, but that's where we've got to be right now.  We cannot afford Democrat rule, either economically, militarily, or culturally.

No Democrats In Office.  Make it a mantra.

48

The prescription drug plan expanded HSAs and includes market forces and personal responsibility.

With "victories" like these...

According to: Bruce Bartlett (confirmed by a quick search): "Interesting, the Social Security actuaries estimated in 2005 that the unfunded obligation for that program in perpetuity was just $11 trillion (present value)...For Medicare, however, according to the 2005 estimate by the actuaries, the unfounded liability (present value in perpetuity) for Part A was $24.1 trillion and another $25.8 trillion for Part B, for a grand total of $68.1 trillion for the entire Medicare program, equivalent to 7.1 percent of GDP forever - about the same as the entire individual income tax."

According to the Medicare Trustees annual report, the projected cost of Part D was over $10.8 trillion.

We included some "market forces" prvisions - praise the lord.

The way they sold it, by the way, was criminal. The same way they tried to do immigration - they didn't even release the entire plan until after it was voted on and threatened the careers of Republicans who saw it was a diaster.

"When someone's in trouble, government's got to move."

49

If you want to get a message across to the GOP and that message is fiscal responsibility, tight-fisted conservatism, you have to join The Club For Growth. The fatasses fucking hate them. It's awesome.

Seriously, you want bang for your buck, to have your dollars heard loud and clear, there's your crowd right there.

50 "No Democrats in Office" is just an apology for shitty rule. 

And it's a recipe for non-voting, civic disengagement, and cynicism.

How about, make the politicians suffer for lousing things up.  We donate money to their campaigns, we vote for them in droves, we get them into a cushy job with ridiculous benefits, and the promise of high-paying lobbying work after they leave office.  In exchange, they ignore us and take care of themselves.

The only meaningful way to hold them accountable is to stop supporting their pathology.

And when a good candidate comes along, support them.


I have a new rule: Support Good Candidates.

51

I have a new rule: Support Good Candidates.

And I am the sole judge of who is a good candidate. And if there are no good candidates, my strategy is to have the worst candidate elected.  That will show 'em.

52

And I am the sole judge of who is a good candidate. And if there are no good candidates, my strategy is to have the worst candidate elected.  That will show 'em.

You really don't understand the concept of voting do you?

53 That's right, poly.  You are the best judge of what a good candidate is, as far as your vote is concerned.

54

Here's a better, more pragmatic principle: no Democrats in office.

In all honesty I beleive anyone pushing this line doesn't understand long term thinking, and is really being anything BUT pragmatic if they actually think they can maintain a single-party lock on politics for anything more then a couple of terms, and downright deluded if they think it's desirable they'd do so any longer.

55

"How about, make the politicians suffer for lousing things up."

Worked out real well in '06, didn't it?

The country suffers more than Sen. Screwup (R) when his office is turned over to Sen. Douchebag (D).

"I have a new rule: Support Good Candidates."

My rule, No Democrats In Office, incorporates your rule.  Your rule is not currently possible without mine.  That's unfortunate, but it's true.

56 The numbers do the rest.  A weak, uninspiring, Republican probably will lose to dynamic Democrats who claim to have new ideas. 

But this doesn't have to happen if a strong, inspiring Republican runs.

We, as a nation, would also be greatly served if we stopped basing our big decisions on TV, and instead returned to reading, critical thinking, and the careful expression of our views, particularly in regards to politics and government.

57

You do that by relentlessly hammering them like we did during shamnesty, etc.

That is not viable.

If that were possible, we wouldn't need the assholes at all. Fire them all. Get rid of them entirely. Direct democracy.

But people have jobs. And lives. And most don't give a shit what's going on 2000 miles away, and most don't want to hear about what's going on 2 miles away after a long day at work.

People elect politicians because they don't want to have to deal with trying to govern the country constantly. Watching these assholes is a full time position, and one that does not pay, and one that is not enjoyable in any way for most decent people.

You cannot stay on top of them always. You're lucky if you can create that kind of groundswell occasionally, when things get really bad. The idea that the same amount of fury over amnesty will be maintained constantly for years over everything is preposterous.

We need better caretakers.

58

"In all honesty I beleive anyone pushing this line doesn't understand long term thinking"

Nonsense.  I never said having Republicans in office was good enough, just that giving GOP offices to Democrats is foolish, both with regard to short-term concerns and also long-term ones.

I'm not saying give the GOP free reign, just deny reign to Democrats.

In the long term, you promote more conservative candidates, and you run them against bad Republicans, but you don't give a bad Republican's seat to a worse Democrat and then pat yourself on the back for your principles.

59

Oops aren't you the person that once stated that Ron Paul was the best one out of all the candidates now running? 

 

60 Also, I'm not promoting "single party rule," in the long term, just single party rule until the Democrats stop being batshit crazy.

61 We, as a nation, would also be greatly served if we stopped basing our big decisions on TV, and instead returned to reading, critical thinking, and the careful expression of our views, particularly in regards to politics and government.

Oh! I can see it now. It's so simple. If only you had written that in 2006, things would have been so different. Now if only I can get people to return to critical thinking and careful expression...

62

"We need better caretakers."

Great.  Let me know how enabling Democrats brings this closer to reality.

63

Seriously - do you hire a babysitter you have to stay home and watch?

Would you hire a babysitter that was fine....so long as you stuck around and made sure she didn't shake the baby to death or put him in the oven by mistake?

What the fuck is the point of the babysitter in that scenario? If you've got to stick around and watch her constantly, you may as well not hire her since you're staying home anyway. The sitter is actually serving no purpose whatsoever, except to complicate your task and confound you by waking the kid up every time he falls asleep and trying to stick him in the microwave, to 'help'. Until finally you're greatful when she just yaps on your phone and runs up your bill because at least she's not breaking anything. And for this you pay her $5/hr.

64

Oh, and I have a Ron Paul exception to everything I've written in this thread.

No Ron Paul In Office.

65

Great.  Let me know how enabling Democrats brings this closer to reality.

Long term thinking, Kensington. I'm not sure you've got the perspective to appreciate it.

You really think you're going to keep democrats out of power indefinetly?

You really think the GOP can hold government for what, 32 years straight?

YOU WILL GET DEMOCRATS.

Until you've accepted the fact that there WILL be democrat wins from time to time, you're stuck where you are. Sooner or later, later if not sooner, they will win.

All you think about is sooner. You want the dems to win later. Later, it's sooner again. You're not looking long term at the effects of what's going on in politics over the span of a generation.

66

"Would you hire a babysitter that was fine....so long as you stuck around and made sure she didn't shake the baby to death or put him in the oven by mistake?"

If I cannot find a good baby-sitter, yet I must have a baby-sitter, I'll take the klepto baby-sitter over the pedophile baby-sitter and then work really hard to find some decent baby-sitters for the future.

What I won't do is hand my baby over to the pedophile baby-sitter and then hope the klepto got the message.

67  And for this you pay her $5/hr.

Cheap bastard.

68 The majority political party comes and goes but their policies, justices and laws stick around.  That's long term, critical thinking that requires all efforts to stay in power as long as possible.

69

"Until you've accepted the fact that there WILL be democrat wins from time to time, you're stuck where you are. Sooner or later, later if not sooner, they will win."

Are your arguments so weak that you have to resort to lying about my positions?  Now you're just being ridiculous.  I don't deny that Democrats will win at times.  I'm saying that Republicans shouldn't help them win by tossing out flawed Republicans in favor of worse Democrats.

70

I don't deny that Democrats will win at times.  I'm saying that Republicans shouldn't help them win by tossing out flawed Republicans in favor of worse Democrats.

Do you think democrats will allways win? Republicans will also win at times.

Make sure they're good republicans when they do.

This plays out 2 ways. People are disgusted with republicans, but  you say the dems are worse. So we

A) elect the same republicans. People become even more disgusted, and the situation is even more hopeless next time, and dems win in 2012.

B) dems get elected. People become disgusted with dems. Republicans win in 2012. Or, dems hang on by a thread, but people become even MORE disgusted with them, republicans win in 2016.

In the mean time, these corrupt old men are cockblocking good leadership. Clear the decks and get ready for the next wave.

71

It's simply too dangerous to allow the modern Democrat party free reign to enact bad legislation and appoint liberal judges on speculation that the public will eventually be disgusted enough by them to turn them out.  They can do too much long-term damage whilst they're there.  If the ones doing so are Republicans, even bad Republicans, we at least have a chance of influencing them.  If they're Democrats, we have no chance.

But if you're banking on base Democrats to get disgusted with their party, consider again that Democrats specialize in making people dependent on the state, and they're very good at it.  Further, people who become dependent on the state aren't generally inclined to turn out their governmant benefactors, and they're numbers are growing.

So, yes, clear the decks, promote and support more conservative candidates, but don't hand it over to donkeys whilst doing so.  Rather, keep identifying the bad ones and keep challenging them in primaries.

72 Look, Entropy, I see your point.  I just don't agree with your conclusions.  At this point I think I'm starting to go in circles with you, so I'll leave it at this, unless some extraordinary new perspective comes into the debate.

73

Gallup (more accurate than Zogby) has Hillary beating all GOP

http://www.gallup.com/poll/102862/Democratic-Candidates-Look-Good-Latest-2008-Trial-Heats.aspx

 

74

See, you SAY you understand my point, but you really don't seem to have internalized it.

It's simply too dangerous to allow the modern Democrat party free reign to enact bad legislation and appoint liberal judges

You can't stop them.

on speculation that the public will eventually be disgusted enough by them to turn them out.

Speculation or not, it's true. They will.

They can do too much long-term damage whilst they're there. 

They will be in there. You can't stop them.

We allways live through it, it's never quite as bad as you say it will be, often never even remotely near, and it will happen again too. But in your (somewhat irrational) fear of what they'll do, you'll rush to put ANY republican in office, allways, and due to your lack of discrimination you'll get shitty ones more often.

AND you'll get dems more often too - because shitty republicans don't win as often as good ones do. Want less dems? Get better republicans.

Want no dems? Really? Longer term thinking - get better republicans.

75

I think I'm starting to go in circles with you

That's what I meant by: Until you've accepted the fact that there WILL be democrat wins from time to time, you're stuck where you are.

I haven't even touched the tip of the iceberg on why this makes sense to me. I haven't talked about how the political parties are intrinsically related to one another, or how societies change.

And I'm not gonna, because frankly, I think you're stuck on this part and won't get past it.

76

If you want to get a message across to the GOP and that message is fiscal responsibility, tight-fisted conservatism, you have to join The Club For Growth. The fatasses fucking hate them. It's awesome.

Pop quiz: who recently referred to the Club For Growth as 'The Club For Greed'?

a) Dennis Kucinich
b) Howard Dean
c) John Edwards
d) Mike Huckabee

The answer is a good example of why exactly the GOP blows diseased donkey schlongs.

77

"See, you SAY you understand my point, but you really don't seem to have internalized it."

You misunderstand.  I've "internalized" your point.  I just think it's short-sighted and stupid.  I was trying to be polite earlier, but you don't seem to have enough class to accept that without seeming to question my intelligence.

Rather, you keep insisting on misrepresenting my positions and pretending that my principle of not sitting out elections to punish bad Republicans at the expense of worse Democrats means that I refuse to accept that Democrats will sometimes win.  You've constructed a straw man of my position, and an inane one at that.  Enough.

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BS MSM spin.

They begged Mark Foley to stay and run again, even though he was in a supposedly "safe" republican seat, and even though they knew there were scandal problems.

Please, let these bastards leave if they want to.  These are the porkmeisters, the ones who voted to override the pork veto, the ones who haven't been good or vocal in opposing shamnesty.

Good riddance.  The test will come when we see what the GOP "leadership" finds to run for the open seats.

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Oh, these are open seats.  It's just as much of an "uphill battle" for the dims as the GOP.  Open seats don't have an incumbent, everybody starts from scratch basically.

Duh.  It's kinda like the coin toss.  Every independent event is, ya know, independent.

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Aww fuck new comments. Fuck them.

Kensington, you don't understand what I'm saying. I've never questioned your intelligence and I never created a straw man. I did not. You do not understand what I'm saying - and that's got nothing to do with intelligence.

Beyond that - FUCK these comments.

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